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Working through the playoff brackets

Mon, Oct 31, 2011 (2:37 p.m.)

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Las Vegas Sun sports reporters Ray Brewer and Case Keefer go over the high school football postseason picture and reflect on how it got to this point. The episode also contains a lengthy segment debating who is the Southeast Division MVP — Niko Kapeli, Kyle Keplinger, Aaron Love or Chris Marshall.

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  1. round 1: southeast sweep. liberty beats valley! foothill will definitely beat dp! basic and green valley have a shot! let's go southeast!!

  2. This podcast couldn't come fast enough, always appreciated glad the Sun has this coverage.

    I'm rooting for a SE sweep too. I think GV is the least likely to win of the SE games but i'm going to hope they play like they did earlier in the season and that Vegas is as overrated as Canyon.

    Unless we have a massive upset (think Manougue vs Gorman basketball last year) I'm more excited about the first and second round games than the state tourney. I still think Palo will give Gorman a better game than Liberty will in state semi or Reed will in final. But this first two rounds will be fun to call and see how it plays out. I'm undecided between watching the GV vs LV game or Basic vs Canyon Springs game this week as i'll enjoy that more than watching Gorman throttle Cheyenne

  3. As far as the etiquette for injuries go you don't take a knee on the high school level. Most coaches use that as a sort of mini time out to coach up their team on the sideline. You might take a knee if there a major injury but it is a great opportunity to go over the current strategy with your team.

  4. Basic took a couple knees this past week when Del Sol players went down. I think it a sign of respect that should be shown at this level. You're still trying to shape these kids to be young men. Think of that Green Valley kid couple years ago that was paralyzed, in the grand schemes of things would kneeling as a sign of respect really kill your team? No.

  5. Palo verdes JV went undefeated.. they beat arbor view 30-28.
    They also set beat shadow ridge 84-0 and Mojave 76-0.

  6. agree that GV is the weakest link in the SE chain. As for taking a knee during injuries...it is simply etiquette and not a rule. It's like using a public restroom...when you're talking to someone using the urinal next to you, it's proper etiquette for both of you to talk and look at the wall in front of you or look each other dead in the eyes. You should never look down! LOL! The best games of football are about to take place these next few weeks. The road to Gorman is finally turning the last few corners!

  7. Reading the news in the Reno area and they have nothing up there to listen to or to read about their football teams. Does anyone have a link or a lead on anything about the North Teams?

  8. Homer, the northern coverage has fallen way off. A few years back they had a website like nevadaprepreport.com that was exclusively for northern sports and that is gone. There is hardly any original content from the Reno Gazette Journal anymore for prep football since the iHigh network covers their results from prep sports. Its a national site. Northern coverage is awfully down.

    The most information you can get is during the live game chats on the Reno Gazette Journal you can see what people are asking and saying and ask as well. Between that and post game coverage there's little to gather outside of the obvious:

    Reed will win the north, undoubtedly and easily.
    They crushed the clear #2 in the north Reno HS, and throttled #3 McQueen and beat #4 Manougue by like 30 points. They will have an extremely easy road to state since 8 out of 11 northern 4A teams make the playoffs they'll have a cakewalk until the state semi/northern final which they'll win big and easy too.

    I've tried finding anything outside of post game reviews on Reed cant find nothing they're not on youtube nothing. I think they are much better than their 2009 team that won the north and got slaughtered by Gorman 62-21. Based on their only loss being close to Granite Bay and GB having a very close loss to Top 50 nationally ranked Del Oro...i am certain that Reed has the 4th best team in the state behind BG, PV and AV. I hope Gorman doesn't go up there expecting them to lay down because they wont. They'll get blown out but wont make it easy.

  9. In order to get any info on the North, you kind of have to follow the RGJ's Blog posts. (They originate locally.)
    tuasdad is correct, this year's Reed team does appear to be better than the 2009 Reed team.
    I watched Gorman crush Reed in that '09 game.

    http://www.rgj.com/section/blogs14?plckB...

  10. Liberty's freshman went 6-1, JV went 8-0

  11. Everyone in the Vegas valley should give some major love to Brewer and Keefer the next time you see them at a game or event. The coverage and depth they have on our local high school sports scene is something we should not overlook or take for granted. For a majority of these kids, this is the only coverage and kudo's they will get at an activity they devote their high school lives to. In an age where you must evolve or die in the news business, these guys have really taken a personal approach to these kids. Compare our local high school sports scene to our northern counterpart; its a dumpster fire up there. Ray, Case, You are appreciated, THANK YOU.

  12. Hey Gorman Homer: Thanks for the love. We appreciate the positive feedback. We look forward to Mondays to. Love doing these podcasts.

  13. I'll take Brewer and Keefer over "Fielder" over at nevadapreps any day. The weekly rankings, the coverage of every game, photos etc... would all be a lot to be happy about but add the podcast and that's just billy bad as$. Very much appreciated. Every time there is a report of the Sun having layoffs i pray that its people who cover the economy, education,murders and less important things than HSFB it's one of the few things I like about my hometown. I look forward to Basic vs Green Valley or Gorman vs Palo more than any NBA all star or UNLV game we get here. Too bad football season is only 1/4 of the year.
    Keep up the good work guys.

  14. Tuasdad

    Sure taking a knee is a sign of respect. But lets not forget that football is a violent game and injuries happen all the time. At practice when someone is injured you don't take a knee. You call the trainer and you move the football and continue with practice. That is how you treat an injury to your own player! So in a game where injuries are not rare why is it respectful to not do anything cause someone is hurt?? What is the lesson in that? This isn't pop warner where the game is so simple that during the game adjustments aren't necessary. I don't see the how taking a knee because of an injury in a violent game teaches a boy how to be a man.

  15. Brewer you do an excellent job for years for local sports. It's greatly appreciated by many.
    By the way, rumors flying Durango's Macki blowing up team. Apparently he has kicked off 6 to 8 players or they quit. Apparently he has benched the Williams kid and several players are upset. Parents are upset. Rumor also that half of JV and Freshmen teams as well as McQuaig and others are all planning on transferring out of school. QB Martinez doesn't plan on playing for Macki after this season. Those are rumors but pretty sure all true. Ray it might be something to look into. I hear there's a lot of unhappy people with the head coach and his young D coordinator. Everyone wants the JV head coach (former varsity coach) back.

    It's a shame what a lot of kids in this valley have to go thru because to many Coaches are in a position they have no business being in. The biggest reason why BG, Palo, AV, Liberty, FH, CSprings and a few others are successful is because of the coaching. While many schools have head coaches who have no business being a head coach. Look at the Vekic kid. No offers, has loads of talent and was ranked very high in the state yet has not gotten any better. Just lacking coaching.

    Curious to hear if anyone else knows of what's going on over there and if these rumors are true as I've heard.

  16. Congratulations Patriotic on the success of your freshmen and JV teams.
    What I understand the four champions of each league were as follows:
    FRESHMEN
    SE Green Valley
    NE Las Vegas
    SW B Gorman
    NW Palo

    JV Champions
    SE Liberty
    NE Canyon Springs
    SW B Gorman
    NW Palo

    congratulations to all these teams. If i got any of these wrong I apologize.
    The rankings for these teams probably would be as follows:
    FRESHMEN
    1) Las Vegas (loaded w size and speed)
    2) Palo (great program excellent coaching)
    3) A.V.
    4) BG (see palo comments same)
    5) CS (tough 2pt loss to BG)
    6) GV

    JV
    1) Palo (undefeated in toughest league)
    2)A.V. (tough loss to Palo convincing win at BG)
    3) CS
    4) BG (2 tough losses including #2 AV)
    5) Liberty

    Just opinion based on scores match ups and info from many around valley.
    Looks like the next few years are going to be very competitive which is great for VEGAS H.S. Football.

  17. footballguy, taking a knee during an injury doesnt teach how to be a man per se. done be so literal. it helps develop a healthy mentality towards the potential for injury in every game. because anyone can get hurt at any time in a game, showing respect towards the injured by taking a knee shows the athletes honor their teammate. it's like war when soldiers take a minute to honor a "fallen soldier".

  18. Basically 99% of those kids will never play another snap in their lifes it probably doesn't hurt to show them that an injured player is worth takign the two seconds to kneel as a sign of respect if nothing else. A third and goal is insignificant in the grand scheme of things really. Not like kneeling will help the kid get better. It's equivelant to holding the elevator door. It won't shut on people it'll stop closing if it hits somebody, but people do appreciate it if you'll stand there and hold it.

  19. lvfootballfun,
    Moapa Valley's JV team went undefeated against Nevada schools (lost to Desert Hills, UT in first game of season by a touchdown) They blew out every Nevada JV team they played--Silverado, Canyon Springs, Legacy, Sunrise Mtn, Chaparral, Virgin Valley, Del Sol, Lincoln County Varsity (2A). I think their closest competition was Canyon Springs and they beat them by 40 points, so either Canyon doesn't belong in your top 5, or Moapa does!! Plus doesn't Canyon's varsity have lost of Sophomores on it?

  20. Ya canyon has over a dozen sophomores on varsity. BUt that speaks volumes for Moapa whooping schools like Legacy, Del Sol and Silverado with much higher enrollment. I hope you're joining Gorman again at the Sollenberger Classic in AZ again next year.

  21. Can anyone comment on what happened at Durango??

  22. If that Durango rumor holds true i'll change my prediction from 55-0 to 66-0 Palo.

  23. Lvfootballfun, I too would like to believe that based on freshmen and JV results that the next few years will be competitive at the varsity level. Im not a Gorman hater, but i was very pleased that the Abor View jv beat Gorman's jv because i felt that this was an indication that Gorman wouldnt be so dominant in the next few years. But i think either Ray or Case made a good point in one of their podcasts that the jv division was not a good indication as to how good a program would be in the upcoming several years since most of the sophmores playing jv are not ready or good enough for varsity. I think Gorman has their best sophomores paying varsity. I know Nate Starks plays varsity and he is only a sophomore. As i have said before, he could be the best sophomore in the country. Hes that good. So i dont think its going to be competitive the next several years. Unfortunately, i think Gorman is going to continue to dominate for at least the next 3 years.

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  25. Ray C I hear you but I also remember you going on and on just a few weeks ago about scouts from CA coming to watch the Hong and Stewart kid and about how BG JV was probably 4th or 5th amongst the varsity level. Then when they got beat by Servite JV you said Servite used all juniors. Servite had no juniors only sophomores. For someone who says you are for balance you sure do seem to come on here and brag about BG. Especially their JV. We can pull up your old post if you want. Now we find out their JV is only 5th or 6th in the city in the JV division. Yes Starks is fantastic and I believe BG has about 5 Soph. on Varsity. As Tuasdad said CS has 16 soph on varsity and I heard 11 start and they still won their league both JV and Varsity. And Palo JV program is a big reason for their success. Just ask Coach Rost, who has a soph at QB on varsity. BG will be very good but I think Liberty, Palo, AV, CS LV andFH are quickly closing the gap. Its ok to root for your team. Tuasdad has a lot of great comments about all the schools but he is not ashamed to admit he is a BG alumn and big fan. Same with GormanHomer. Good Luck to all the teams tmrw nite.

    Oh and by the way Sportsarefun, I didn't mean to leave Moapa out. I was just listing the local league champs. But I was told by a friend from Faith L. that your fresh. team was ok but you JV team may be better than any team in the city. So sorry for the omission and congratulations on a great year by both you JV and your varsity. Good luck this weekend.

  26. This is a response to yuperone's comment. you've heard from coach Maki now you can hear the truth regarding my son Marcus Williams. His attitude and work ethic is not weak and for coach Maki to say that is very disturbing.Marcus gives a 110% of himself to the game and he cares about the team. you have to understand that Marcus was frustrated with the way Maki was running his practices,the team has no discipline and no direction, the kids are not learning anything. they don't practice any position drills, the kids play around and do whatever they want,the kids haven't improved this season or learned anything. Coach Maki talks about responsiblity and accountability. then who's responsible for making these young men more disciplined,and better football players.Coach Maki told the players and parents that he was open to suggestions to help make the team better,but when suggestions were made by the team or parents they were ignored.Coach Maki didn't mention to his friend that Marcus being the spokes person for the team tried many times to make suggestions that the players agreed with, but was shot down by Maki and the defensive coach. Marcus also asked if he could play defense to help the team and the defensive coach told him no because he cramped up in one game on defense, but they let him carry the ball 27 times on offense and play on all special teams. thats what type of coaching our kids are dealing with. the coaches don't listen, don't teach,and kick them off the team if our kids have something to say. how sad is that. obviously if the coaches were getting the job done then our kids wouldn't have anything to say. personally I feel that alot of the kids didn't get a fair chance and they were cheated out of a football season. I hope coach Maki can see one day that it's not about him and his pride its about our kids and giving them the best chance of succeeding. All Marcus wanted to do is help his team and speak up for what was right and he got kicked off the team for it cause he cared
    and thats the truth!!!!!!!!!!! whats really sad is that some of the kids wanted to lose against Sierra Vista so they would be done with Coach Maki
    and this is coming from someone who knows Marcus well ............. his Mother and Father. and if you don't believe us please go to the games, watch film or go to the practices and judge for youself.
    The Williams family does wish them good luck against Palo.

  27. All I've ever heard about Marcus Williams is that he's a good football player but a better young man! This came from one of his former teammates at Gorman who was sad to see him leave there. I trust this former teammates' judgement of character. Sounds like something shady is going on at Durango! It's a shame that some men think they can just mess with a kid's future this way. I wonder if there was any discussion with his parents regarding his so called lack of work ethic or any involvement of the school administration? More likely it was the unilateral decision of this coach. That many kids quitting the team at this point speaks volumes about this coach's issues. Hopefully someone does something to change this...although it's doubtful.

  28. Maki should go to a Gorman practice. Actually, most of the valley coaches should. Every minute of the 4 hours is scripted and timed. Every kid is moving the entire time. From the gym to watching film, everything has purpose and nothing is wasted. Sanchez and his staff know how its done. When Sanchez coached the Sunset all-star team, the boys from other schools were impressed on how it gets done everyday. I do wish Durango and the Southwest well in the playoffs. It will be good for HS football in town to see an upset or two.

  29. Ditto to Gorman homer.... if I think the Sunrise has more likely upsets than anything in the Sunset, at least first round. Either way a lot of coaches in town would benefit from just hanging out with Rost or Sanchez for a day and see how a program, not a team, is run.

    Should be some decent football tonight.

  30. Wow 8 kids off the team and Maki acts like no big deal. Now the Williams kid goes from being benched to being kicked off the team entirely. And Maki says the kid understands. Doesn't sound like he understands reading his parents post. Maki questions his work ethic when anyone I've ever talk to says he's a workout beast such as Mike at Phase one. Didn't this kid finish top 20 nationally out of over 10,000 kids in Nike combines. Didn't this kid just run for 240 yds on 27 carries to get Durango into the playoffs. What I understand he and Mcquaig were the hardest working kids over there. How is this going to effect his college opportunities now. I guess Maki doesn't really care.

    I noticed coach Barker who coached the o line the past couple years and made them one of the better lines in the state was demoted to just special teams. Now we see why Vekic and Bing Lin have not improved and received no offers. Wonder how they feel about Maki.

    Maki says administration is ok with everything. Does the administration even know what's going on? Maki seems to be in his own world. How Durango didn't do more with all that talent is a real shame. I really hope the administration looks into all this. These are exactly the type of coaches that give Nevada football a bad reputation.

  31. Ray it'd be nice to have you investigate this w the administration Not Maki. Maybe then we could get the truth. Didn't Maki get rid of most of staff from last year. He hired a young kid 22or23 yrs old as his D coordinator. Yet coach Barker, also a guidance counselor who the kids love is demoted. Maki talks about accountability but who holds him accountable. Just so tired of seeing coaches like this in charge of young men. How many kids have to quit or be kicked off before something is done about this? Or Maki starts to realize maybe he is the problem. Liked how he said Hunter Knight and he are still on good terms. Wonder how Knight feels about that comment. Wonder how those seniors feel about Maki discarding them by saying they hadn't played since their freshmen year. So I guess this makes them irrelevant. When an adult throws all the blame on kids and takes no responsibilty for his own actions, this should raise Red Flags.

  32. Gang; Sorry to arrive late on the scene with what is happening at Durango. I've decided to remove all of the comments about Marcus Williams until I have time to properly report. The kid, in my opinion, is a sure-thing Division I talent. I don't want someone commenting on him for coach Maki. I think we can all agree that is what is best for Marcus' future.

  33. Yuberone, I can appreciate you defending your friend. But the facts are 10 kids quit. One of their best players was kicked off. Barker is no longer the o line coach just special teams. Most all coaches from last year are gone. In the Pahrump game Maki was not there. Another coach ran the game. The Williams kid played the whole game on defense. The next week the asst who coached the game was sent up top although he wanted to stay on the sidelines. Williams was taken off the defense. From several kids Williams has asked repeatedly to play on defense. Maki told him no. I haven't heard any defense of Makis comments about the kids that have left the program. If the Williams kid was having issue with cramps or whatever Makis excuse was , Maki had no problem having him run 27 times for 240yds.

    Once again I appreciate your defense of your friend. But stand back and take a look at what's going on. And if we do see a mass exodous of players then we'll know. Obviously Maki is going to try and cover his butt. Just look at the facts. I notice you didn't check with anyone other than Maki.

    Enough about this Let's Play Some Football!!! Its Playoff Time! !!!

  34. Kudos Ray. Can't wait to see and hear your reports from tonights game. Tuasdad and anyone else out there please give us half time reports if u can. Good Luck to all the teams tonight.

  35. Canyon and basic better have a good game make it worth standing in this weather lol I'll do some updates on here tonight too

  36. This is sad. I know the weather was crappy but canyon springs has maybe 20-25 people.in stands. Basic (14 miles away) has maybe 60-70

  37. Canyon picked off basic had first and goal and couldn't score even on fourth down. Basic drove 91 yards relatively easy scores and misses two point. On kick off canyon fumble and basic recovers at canyon 30...5 mins 1st quarter

  38. 14-0 Basic 4 mins left 1st qtr......canyon returns that kickoff for td 14-7 Basic

  39. Start of 2nd basic 22 canyon 7

  40. Canyon blocks basic punt recovers it at basic 4 yard line but basic stops them on four downs....twice canyon had first and goal went for it on fourth and couldn't score

  41. Half 22-15 Basic

  42. Pumphrey breaks again for long td. XP blocked 22-21 basic.10:30 left 3rd

  43. Foothill 20, Desert Pines 0

    5:55 left in the 3rd.

  44. 6 mins left 3rd 28-21 basic

  45. 27-6 Foothill. 1:51 left in the 3rd.

    Liberty up 21-0... so glad they're showing this game on TV instead of a good game like the one going on at Canyon Springs...

  46. 28-0 Liberty. I'm changing the channel haha.

  47. Vega to Boyd 50 yard td 35-21 almost 4th qtr

  48. Let's go Basic!!!

  49. 42--21 5:52 in game CS player is down and guess what? Basic players took a knee

  50. Tells you about the level of class that Henderson schools have.

  51. 42-21 basic final I was close in my prediction

  52. More like the level of class the Northeast has. Not very good year for them...

  53. Hey, upset alert!! What's going on @ basic & green valley?? Lil help here!

  54. Battle for Boulder Highway II next week! Good job Foothill and Basic!!! Hopefully Green Valley pulls through to complete the sweep!

    Hey Brewer, how about them Henderson teams? DP, check. Canyon, check. Ahh, I love the underdogs

  55. Who's got the update on GV???

  56. This is killing me! Did the Gators pull it off?

  57. Either way, Liberty should handle GV or Vegas.

  58. Maybe Vegas lost and wont report the score...

  59. Vegas won 37-21 according to nevadapreps

  60. I hope TNL shows the Liberty vs Vegas game next week. I know its cold outside but the crowds at the games seem light.

  61. Hopefully they show the Foothill-Basic game! A much better turnout WILL be there for that game no doubt. Rain or snow, Henderson will show up.

  62. Hey Coachfun: Can't believe the Henderson schools went 3-1. I seriously never thought I would see the day. I'm thrilled for those kids at Basic. Let me tell everyone: Basic's DeVonte Boyd is the real deal. All talent, too. He's going to be need to put on some weight and work on his speed, but he will be a playmaker at the next level.

  63. I don't get it, Vegas is the OG in the valley. This game should of been a total sellout. Standing room only, but it wasn't. Valley high school is also part of the original football scene in town and the stands were empty too. Its the playoffs! Show some love and respect for these boys. Its an easy night out with the kids, the price is dirt cheap. Go talk football at its purest level "high School". And if you are a local from your high school days, see if the letterman jacket still fits. Kicking it Old school baby.......

  64. GormanHomer, well said!!

  65. Congratulations to all the winners tonight. Also, congrats to Aaron Love on a fantastic year and career. You have been fun to watch. Same for mr. Hayes at DP. Good luck to you both in the future. Two fine young men. DJ Pumphrey you are the real deal. Once you get a QB to take pressure off you then really watch out.

    Libery and Foothill possible rematch? Kapelli vs. Keplinger ll.

    Here's hoping AV can be a little more competitive in round 2 w BG

  66. I like Liberty to win the Sunrise as they are and have been playing well. And Arbor View will give Gorman a better game this time around. It will be Liberty v Gorman in the state semis. Also, Lvfootballfun, Gorman is not my team and i have no affiliation or ties to Gorman. If i did, i would have no problem admiting it. I am from Southern California that moved to Las Vegas about 5+ years ago. As far as "bragging" about Gorman, im simply pointing out the obvious and ive spoken about the Gorman jv on the 2 games that i went to: Servite and Arbor View. Regardless, please do not insinuate that Gorman is my team without knowing anything about me. And go ahead and read all of my previous posts if you have nothing better to do and you will see. As to being a fan of a team, its obvious you are with the Liberty program.

  67. thanks coachray and sportsarefun for the other updates...

    I'm pretty happy that I got 7 out of 8 right tonight and wasn't off very far with the scores

    I was right about Canyon being way over ranked (phew i didn't want to eat crow) Hunky will have a hell of a team in two years he's got some talent. It was absolutely pathetic and sad to see 1/3 the fans for Canyon at home compared to Basic away. I feel for those kids and Hunky if the number of fans is less than kids on the team and in the band. Really sad to see that if your own school and family doesn't care to come out it's got to be demoralizing really sucked to see that.

    I was right about Vegas being over ranked too, there's no way Green Valley takes you to the wire if you're the 3-4-5 best team in town. No way.

    lvfootball, Cordova just calls it like he see's it. There's been times where i've critisized Gorman and he dissagreed or visa versa he's HSFB fan not a Gorman fan he's been pretty clear cut about that.

    Anyway, good action last night. Looking forward to next week. How bout everyone posts their picks this week not just me so it adds to the conversation?

  68. Also northern nevada wrapped up their season last night, while Reed will likely hop and skip to the state playoffs, here's what their playoffs now look like per NIAA website:

    #8 Spanish Springs (2-6) @ #1 Reed (8-0)
    #4 Reno (5-3) @ #5 Douglas (5-3)
    #2 Carson (8-0) @ #2 Damonte Ranch (3-5)
    #3 McQueen (7-1) @ #6 Bishop Manougue (4-4)

    Carson fans think they have a shot but I don't even think they'll get past McQueen in the second round. Reed has a legit team this season that if it weren't for Gorman would have a fair game (in Reno) against PV or AV for state.