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Final push for the postseason

Mon, Oct 24, 2011 (3:26 p.m.)

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Las Vegas Sun sports reporters Ray Brewer and Case Keefer look across the Las Vegas valley at the playoff races still alive entering the last week of the regular season. Does Canyon Springs have a shot against Las Vegas? What about Foothill vs. Liberty? Listen in for discussion on these topics and more.

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  1. Keefer if you're not there at least 1-1.5 hours before game you'll have to park down the street and round corner risking injury from tumbleweeds or distracted 16 year old in range rover.

    The talk in the stands was the same ref the band -Less members than the cheer but they rock coheed and cambria. Who else does that?

    There was no king because they crown him at the dance on saturday. I don't know who won but Powell and Stanley were both on it. As for queen I called the asian chick to pull upset...she did beat out a Fertitta and former sheriff's daughter so as reward she'll probably never work in this town. lol. Kidding.

    I'll rescind my Basic beating Del Sol based on no Vega. However if there is one team that does not have a home field advantage it's Del Sol their fan support is underwhelming. Basic should have more fans in the their visitor stands than Del Sol, albeit to watch a loss.

    Brewer i'm hoping your blowout prediction of Vegas over Canyon means that finally for the love of God Canyon wont be in your top ten this week. Keefer is right Liberty will beat Vegas again when they play. I'd take +7 all day on that one.

    Bonanza wont keep it closer than AV. AV did ok stopping the run they loaded up the box and it wasn't worth the effort, man coverage got beat all day. Wont work. Game plan to beat Gorman? If Gorman is playing at 100% against any other team at 100% nobody can come close however:

    Palo:
    You're not going to stop the run, not starks, not powell and not through that line. Loading up the box will just have you eating 50 yard bombs from Solomon. You have to throw enough guys in the box to contain the running game, not stop, it'll bleed just don't let it hemmorrage. Palo has the defensive line to cause problems Chaisson and that Symennou (spelling?) kid are solid and if they throw an occasional blitz might be able to work something. The also have a great secondary that wouldn't give up as many big plays as AV.

    Special teams: Gorman plays a lot of back ups on kick off. Palo has better special teams than Gorman from what i've seen so far. Sierra Vista very nearly ran 3 returns back against Gorman, 2 of them were saved by kicker.

    Defense, Arbor View is a great running team and couldn't do a thing against Gorman. They didn't air it out enough. Palo has a decent qb and should be able to mix up the play calling a lot more than AV could. The biggest problem is Gorman scores on you so fast you can't play catch up if your drives take 7 minutes. If they're not as limited as AV and can find success in the air, bubble screens etc... they might muster a score or two.

    Palo's combination of bad blood with Gorman, great defense, special teams advantage and solid coaching give them the only chance in hell a team in this state can keep it within 30 points of Gorman. Gorman vs. Palo will be a better game than any other Nevada team they've played. By far.

    There's your answer. But it won't happen.

  2. Ray/Case, always enjoy listening to your show. Its a routine for me to listen before getting ready for MNF every Mondays. I know Ray likes Las Vegas to win the Sunrise but its going to be Liberty. I believe Liberty has too much meat on the offensive line and Kapeli is going to "ground and pound" (Ray's line). Also, Liberty can pass if they want and so I cant see Las Vegas stopping Liberty's offense. I do see Las Vegas scoring more on Liberty compared to last year but Liberty by 10+ pts. After what i saw last week from Arbor View, who i believe has very athletic players, i cant see anyone beating Gorman this year. I believe the only chance anyone will have is to keep the clock running and to either keep Gorman's offense off the field with long sustained drives on offense or to keep Gorman's offense on the field for longer period of times and not giving up quick tds. So a Palo or Liberty defense need to play the bend but dont break type defense against Gorman. Of
    course this is easier said than done. And Tuasdad is being modest by thinking that Palo will keep
    it within 30 pts this year. The only way that will happenn is if Gorman self destructs and plays a "D" grade type of game and Palo plays nearly a perfect "A" game and that would still result in a Gorman
    win by at least 30 pts. Remember last year Gorman played a very sub par game and played very
    poorly in the first half while Palo played a very good game but yet the end result was a Gorman
    blowout and Palo had much more talent last year than they do this year. Unfortunately, its going to
    be Gorman completely dominating for the next 4+ years. Just scary to think that Starks is just a
    sophomore and Ray you are not the only one believing that he is one of the top sophomores in the county. My friends from Southern California involved with high school and college football believe
    that he is arguably the #1 sophomore in the country.

  3. ray b,

    I agree with you and i am a liberty fan. vegas will beat them because of coaching. im would be surprised if liberty makes it to the semi and doest slip up in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

    tuasdad listen i apologize for my commetns earlier, your right i do have a thing against gorman. i just dont believe they are better at any position besides the offensive line. and yes i was wrong about arbor view, i didnt know that stanley would play defense, but come on man you cant really think that gorman will dominate next year when they lose their two offensive line studs do you? yes starks is amazing and i believe he will be the best back gorman has had. as for qb lets see how good he does not having all day to throw.

  4. Gmartinez, i agree with you that Gorman is not better at every position and i would be very happy if you are right that Gorman will not dominate next year. But im pretty sure they will even without their 2 great linemen. Starks will be unstoppable even behind an average line and i gotta believe Gorman will have an above average line next year. And i think you are underestimating QB Soloman's running ability. Ive always thought he was a better runner than a passer. So look for him to get a ton of rushing yards next year if his line doesnt give him the time hes getting this year. I also think Gorman's defense is going to be very good since they are mostly juniors and sophomres this year. So I just cant see anyone challenging them next year and in the next 4 or so years.

  5. Ray (Cordova not Brewer) You're dead on as to why Liberty will win. Even with their underwhelming performances early in the season or against Coronado they've got enough meat to beat Vegas. Victor and Henderson would be astronomically successful if they had meat and speed on their line. They'll score against Liberty and it'll be closer than last year but they can't do it alone. Liberty will take that game.

    And you're right about Starks. He gives me that same feeling as Demarco Murray when I saw him play. He has more of a Stephen Jackson style and I think he has the platform to excel and be very highly recruited. Speaking of Murray, Brewer since you're the HS expert am I right in my assumption that Jackson vs Murray at the Rams vs Cowboys game was the first time two Vegas players started at RB against eachother in NFL? I thought Murray breaking Emmitt Smith's single game rushing record warranted a shout out on the podcast, maybe next week : )

    martinez...no worries. I've said it before I think the gap will be smaller next year. This year Gorman really had all the stars align and their skill positions coupled with big, strong, fast and very experienced O-line just made it amazing. I think they'll still be pre season #1 in state next year and they'll be favored to win state again but i think Palo/Arbor will have a much smaller gap to bridge and they just might next season. So will they dominate next year like they have this year? Not likely. They'll be playing a few more out of state games and will have the ability to earn a high national ranking but they won't dominate as big time as this year. But they'll still dominate and still be favorites. Not as big favorites.

    Put it this way this year i asked for vacation days at work in August for the state semifinal and championship game because i was damn sure we'd get there. Next year? I'll get the days off but wait until after the sunset final before booking my other travel arrangements.

    And i'm with Ray, love the podcast. i'm glad we have this type of great coverage for high school football. It sucks i'll have to wait that in about a month it'll be over.

  6. Solid Point Ray... this year the big question mark was Gorman's young and unproven defense, which i think did a great job and kept their end of the deal.

    Next year? The question will be the oline, but they'll have one of the best defenses in state and i think Ray is right even a mediocre oline would be enough.

    I would love to see an all star game at end of every season between south and north instead of the sunrise/sunset thing they do where half the guys don't play in it to avoid injury before college. Could you imagine The best from the south actually playing to win for bragging rights against the north? Damn that'd be so much fun to watch.

  7. Gang: It was pretty cool seeing two Las Vegans starting at running back last Sunday in the NFL -- Eldog's Steven Jackson with the Rams and Gorman's DeMarco Murray with the Cowboys. Saw of photo of them talking after the game. Just awesome. To be honest, I pegged DeMarco as being overrated while at Gorman. Thought he put up monster numbers against inferior competition. I was wrong! ...I think Nathen Starks could one day be in the league.

  8. Keefer--

    The song was "Enter Sandman"

  9. A good game is 100 yards a great game is was Murray had. Tied for 9th most yards in NFL game. Nobody said he's the man but absolutely give the man his due credit. Remember you say it all the time there's no real football in this town, it sucks, people are stupid. Hey pretty good moment for Vegas when one of its own does something like that. I remember when Jackson got drafted I was awful happy for him I actually got to see him in action on the field he gave my buddy at lb a concussion (yes that's his claim to fame lol) same for Lawrence Guy and others good to see Vegas kids make it. One of the few things to be proud about.

    I'll agree with you on one thing, although I'll do it without the need to insult. Murray is too injury prone to last in the NFL nonetheless he deserves credit for the other night.

  10. Patriots do work...coaches, players and all. Dont be fooled by the Coronado game. This was the game to play the 2's. Liberty doesnt have much depth and the gap between JV and Varsity is huge. Even many of the 1's have been playing injured all season due to lack of quality depth. If there was a game to play the guys who haven't had much playing time..this was the one. It was also a game to try some things. gmartinez seems to have a lot to say about our coaches, but since these coaches started 4 seasons ago, Liberty football has steadily improved and the community has rallied behind their Patriots more than ever before. But gmartinez is entitled to his opinion however inaccurate or false. But about the Coronado game, when it got to the 4th quarter and we needed to secure a victory, Coach Muraco put all the 1's back in on both sides of the ball. End result? Liberty wins again! BTW, these same coaches smashed Vegas last year and they'll do it again IF they can get past the Southeast #4 team. lol.
    Ray B u can say that Vegas quit last year, but the fact is...Liberty's smashmouth football MADE THEM QUIT! The road to state runs thru Gorman, but our Patriots will take things one game at a time!! Good luck everyone this Thursday! Luv high school football!

  11. jt

    i understand your close to the coaches at liberty, and thats good. i am a liberty fan but all im saying is run on 1.2, and pass on third down every single time isnt going to work in a close game against good teams. Look at arbor view they shut the run down and liberty was lost.. they ended up passing and looked good, what happens after that right back to the run. run run pass run run pass same sequence everytime. I root for liberty i promise i just hope they mix up the play calling and they will go all the way to state.

  12. point taken! my apologies for being defensive when it comes to our coaches. i'm very appreciative of the work they've done in such a short time at Liberty. whether we, as spectators, agree or not with how they call the game, i know that a team chock full of D1 ballers dont win without having some level of proficient coaching. many have said that they are predictable. but i am of the school of thought that knowing what your opponents will do is only half the battle. you still have to stop them. sitting on the bleachers watching practice i've heard them say this many times before. "so what if they know what you're gonna do...they still have to stop or beat you! and my money is on you!" their confidence in the players motivates them to play beyond themselves.
    if i were betting man (meaning i'm broke..lol), i'd be rolling in the dough from Liberty games. With their current record, I will have reaped returns 7 out of 8 times. i've watched Liberty football since the school opened and we've taken our fare share of lumps over the years. if we were to play AV again, i believe it would be a different outcome simply because the players would want it more this time around. they would be motivated from previously losing to AV. it's like how they get motivated each week to prove Brewer wrong...lol.

  13. For the valley to have a winner against Gorman you need an all city all-star team. If you put the Canyon Springs DB's with Palo's D-Line add Vegas's linebackers and you might be able to stop the Gorman offense. The all-star offense must have the Vegas QB, that Mays kid from Faith as wideout. The running backs from Arbor View. The O-line must be pieced together from Liberty, Cheyenne, and Green Valley kids. Any feed Back???

  14. Ray Brewer, still no chance for Truckee for State?
    32 in a row, soon to be 33...

  15. Keith-
    Ray most likely hasn't seen Truckee once this year. Why would he pick them? He lives in Las Vegas and covers SOUTHERN Nevada football. Did you hear him mention any Northern Nevada teams?

  16. If Truckee had the balls to play Sho Lo in the sollenberger classic maybe we would be talking about them. Instead Moapa stepped up and got it done. No doubt Truckee has had one of the best programs in the north and who knows they might be better than Moapa we wont know until they play, but for being more concerned about keeping a spotless record than challenging themselves i gotta call them out on that. Truckee did exact opposite of what Moapa and Arbor View did.

  17. Truckee likes to talk about their win streak, which is impressive. However, if you want to see a team who isn't scared of losing their streak then check out Pahranagat Valley (Alamo). They went On The Road to #12 in the Nation, Joshua Springs, CA(Yucca Valley). Pahranagat won. Yes they are 8 man, but they still put their streak on the line against the 12th ranked team in the nation.
    And Keith talked about how they didn't care about the streak back in August. Check out his article...http://www.sierrasun.com/article/20111008/SPORTS/111009927/1008&parentprofile=1052173
    Sounds pretty concerned about the streak if you ask me.

  18. i lost a ton of respect for Truckee's program after they pulled that crap. And then their fans came on here defending the decision because it's a non league game and blah blah blah. Garbage that streak record should have an asterisk next to it. They had their opportunity to represent Nevada and they chose to protect their streak instead. Moapa was huge underdog going to Arizona against Sho Low and they took that game. I know who i'll be rooting for in 3A state

  19. Seems to me that everyone's looking too far ahead from this week. Seeding is up for grabs this week which could alter everyone's prognosis. Vegas has to beat Canyon to remain NE's #1 and Liberty needs to beat Foothill to remain SE's #1 for your coveted State Semi-Final match-up. I know for a fact that both Canyon Springs and Foothill will be ready to go in front of their home crowds and if Liberty and Vegas are too focused on their potential match-up, they will go down.

    Either way, its going to be a great week of football! Let's go Foothill! LINE 6

  20. Never looked ahead to Vegas or anyone else coachfun. Gotta lot of respect for the Foothill team. It was a good game and thankfully Liberty came out on top. Props to the Patriot offense. They came up big when the defense was struggling as a unit. Also, mad props to our linebacker #4 Jared T. sorry, dont know how to spell (or say) the last name. But this kid was hitting the Falcons in the mouth all over the field. I hear we got Valley next! Take no one for granted! Ball out and maybe we'll end up playing Foothill in quarter finals. Good luck in postseason Foothill! What a great game last night!!

  21. Great game by Liberty last night. Im scared to play foothill agian in the playoffs, dont think Libety will win again. again to much running not gonna cut it

  22. Yes, the game was an amazing shootout and in the end, it was great football. Who knows, there could be a rematch in the Region Finals! Great job to both teams!

  23. gmartinez they couldnt stop the run so why fix something thats not broken?

  24. I was between the foothill game and basic. Went with basic which was great back and forth game that wasn't over until.the very last play. but sounds like I missed a barnburner at foothill

  25. gormanhomer

    wow u are thinkning way to much into teams that can beat gorman. they only thing gorman has on teams is the offensive line. Please dont try to act like special players at evey diffent school could contend with gorman. ITS THE OFFENSIVE LINE THAT IS THE DIFFERANCE MAKER.

  26. red white blue

    ur right is want broken, but in the playoffs when a team sees the same thing will liberty be prepared to do something else.. nope....

  27. gmartinez
    i mean damn what kind of fan are you? you keep saying your a liberty fan but you have nothing good to say. I've got a suggestion for you don't be a liberty fan if all you're going to do is bring negative vibes...i'm jus saying...

  28. LakeTahoeGuy: I'm sticking with Moapa Valley this year. Hopefully both teams make the finals so we can get a competitive state game. Can't wait.

  29. I agree with jussaying. Gmartinez, all of your comments have been negative toward the liberty coaches. The same coaches who took liberty from a joke to a power house. Undefeated in league play and they just won the SE and you still have nothing positive to say? Thankfully you're not out on the field calling the plays because we probably wouldn't have a playoff game this week. I'm thankful as a liberty fan, to have coaches who put in so much time and effort to make liberty the program what it is today. I'll be in the stands cheering for our players AND coaches, and I'm sure you'll be sitting there too, whining, because the points we put up wont be good enough unless it took a few more passes to get there right? Do yourself a favor and stay home. GO PATRIOTS