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Mon, Oct 17, 2011 (2:37 p.m.)
Las Vegas Sun sports reporters Ray Brewer and Case Keefer are back with their weekly high school football podcast. This week's episode plays more like a variety show, as the two touch on a number of issues related to last week's gridiron action.
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Still havent gotten through the whole podcast yet, but talking about Gorman getting practice against Arbor and their double wing, think the other way, Arbor gets practice against Gorman!
Wow, Ray. You took your date to a topless show on her prom night and were surprised that she got offended? Dude...
BTW...love the podcast. You guys are like the PTI of high school football :)
Keefer & Brewer great podcast this week! It Made me laugh a few times! So i finally signed up!
My prediction Gorman will dominate.. There in a league of there own.
By the way Brewer make some calls i wanna see my spartans play sierra vista!
Spartan: That would be a great idea. Why not give both those teams an extra game, too.
The fact is Arbor is better offensively, but the Palo D is better.
sanchez is not a good coach he wont figure out how do stop anything he just has the best talent and the kids make it happen
I agree with Guru. Arbor View has a better offense and Palo has a better defense. But Im not sure Palo is the better overall team now because the first time they played was early in the season and Arbor View had I think at least 3 turnovers. I think its great that Arbor View stepped up to play Gorman. It would be great for Southern Nevada high school football if they can pull off the upset and even if they lose its still a sign that the other programs are slowly trying to narrow the gap between Gorman. Im interested to see how Arbor View's freshmen and jv teams do against Gorman because it will be a good indicator of whether the other programs will be competitive against Gorman for the years to come or if Gorman will just continue to dominate in the future.
Ditto Ray... I know Gorman's frosh and jv only have one loss (Servite) how are AV's? I may actually go catch the underclass games
Yes, I agree with Ray 100%. Also Didn't know Brewer never played football? Interesting. Arbor is good at the underclassmen level.
Arbor's freshman and jv teams both have only 1 loss to Palo I believe
Thats good to hear that Arbor View is good at the underclass level. I hope they are competitive with Gorman's underclass because that would be a good sign that things will even out a bit in Southern Nevada high school football in at least 4 years from now. I do think Gorman will be dominant for at least the next 2 to 3 years because Gorman will return a majority of their players next year and the jv team is very good. Im hoping Arbor View will win at least 1 out of the 3 games against Gorman.
Guru: I feel like I've let you down .. "Didn't know Brewer never played football? Interesting." Ouch
Seriously Brewer make it happen!
Life is to short. Any chance those boys to get play they should!
I also wanna see liberty vs gorman. Maybe the patriots style could take down those gaels!?
Ray played futbol...and they were very good back then. specifically that year.
Spartan on paper Liberty has the style just like Arbor view and Palo. hut them in mouth physical football Unfortunately this year non have the depth to make it happen
On Arbor View's team website it shows that the freshman team isn't playing Gorman..? Shed a little light on this?
Ray:
Haha, no I just didn't know that. I respect El Futbol.
(AVHS Freshmen coach)We would love too, but we have a full schedule and are not allowed to pick the game up.
arbor trying to make a name for themselves good idea. if gorman opens up the passing game which sanchez isnt smart enough to do gorman will kill arbor. liberty passed all over arbor view.. arbor just loads the box with 11 guys and its an all out blitz. I agree palo d is very good. arbor o is very good, but there d will get sliced if gorman passes
So only the jv/varsity teams play?
Qosky and tuasdad: the reason that the jv is playing gorman and the freshman are not is that next week when they play faith, faith does not have a jv team but does have a freshman team. this makes an opening in the jv schedule to play that isn't there in the freshman schedule.
lvfootball
Again, according to the Arbor View team website, the jv are infact playing faith, I don't know, maybe they aren't it's just thats what it says
that must be a mistake. faith doesn't have a jv team that's the reason i know they aren't
Thats too bad that the Arbor View freshmen are not playing Gorman. I hope their jv team is playing Gorman because the outcome will be a good indicator as to whether or not the Gorman program will continue to dominate in the next 2 to 3 years since Arbor View is one of the top rising programs. Im hoping Arbor View varsity and jv pulls out the upsets or at least keeps it close. If anyone knows about the jv game it will be appreciated if you can let me know because it will save me a trip to Gorman tomorrow if Arbor View jv isnt playing.
Thanks lvfootball......Ray if you go will you post the score of the jv game? I won't be able to make it or I would
Yes the jv game is happening, just not the freshman game, unfortunately I will be out of town during both of these games so seeing the jv score would be much appreciated thanks Ray ;)
Will do Qosky and Tuasdad. I will post a summary of the jv game.
very much appreciated thanks
Actually RayC, I don't think it will be a good indicator to tell if Gorman will be dominate in the next 2 to 3 years because Gorman could get a new batch of recruits/kids from all over town/country at any point. It should be a good indicator of how good Arbor View will be in the next couple of years, because they are stuck (barring a couple of move-ins) with the kids that are zoned for Arbor View.
Maybe I'm way off base on this, and somebody can set me straight, but how many of Gorman's starters/key contributors played for Gorman's B and JV teams? I'm just curious.
I'm not trying to be a Gorman "hater" or anything like that so please don't jump all over me, I just think that the success of Gorman's B and JV team does not have that big of a part in the success of their Varsity. I'm sure there are a couple of starting players that come up through the B and JV programs, but I'm curious as to how many?
Sorry RayC I mis-read your post. You were saying that this will be a good measuring stick for Arbor View's JV team, I thought you were saying it will be a good indicator for how good Gorman will be in the next few years. My bad!!
I am still curious as to how many of Gorman's key players/starters came up through their B and JV team? Again, I am not "hating" on Gorman I just am curious if their key players come up through their B and JV teams? or move-ins? or straight to Varsity as freshman?
sports.. i think you're posing a valid point not hating. I don't know how many of the key players went to varsity as freshmen other than Soloman. Since Gorman has been crazy deep at RB for years now i'm sure many of the key contributers at least played JV as freshmen.. but guys like Peko last year who really was an unknown until his senior yeat (Now plays for Navy) he made varsity as a junior like most kids would. Hong the freshmen qb who was all american as 8th grader plays on JV. They develope fair amount of talent on jv or it would be a log jam getting playing time on varsity, specially when there's dedicated but not as talented seniors who deserve some reps.
I do think that within 2 years of the realigment though you'll see schools like Palo, Arbor and Liberty get a lot more "transfers" than usual. No kid is going to want to play for the "lower division" state title. There's not bragging rights there. I think Cheyenne and Moapa will corner that market for the south. I see the gap between programs becoming greater with this realigment more talent will find a way to enroll at the better programs playing for the bigger title. Nevada football isn't the most respected so if you're trying hard to get a free education via your on field accomplishments you're going to at least try to do it against the better competition in the state. We shall see. I wish i could go tonight.
I actually wish i could go to both Basic/Football and Gorman/AV watch first half gorman second half basic
Gorman players/contibutors who have been there since freshmen year: WRs- Smith and Tillman, QB - Solomon, OL - The entire starting 5, DL- all of their Starters, RBs- Powell and Starks, DBS- all four starters...Actually, it may just be every single Starter! Not positive, but pretty sure on all the others not mentioned above. LBs and TE not 100% but 99% sure. Hope that info is helpful.
OneCalBear:
I know Powell was originally at Shadow Ridge.
Also, where did Lott Haia-Kahalewai come from? I think last years team gave the people the impression that a lot of kids come from out of state to play at Gorman like the Zeigers(originally from BG), and the Mook kid.
Thanks for the info guys. I'm from Moapa and all of my private school dealings comes from dealing with Faith Lutheran a few years back. I know how they do things, but I'm not too sure how Gorman does it.
I agree with you Tuasdad that the public schools that will be in Division 1 will be getting a lot of "transfers" from the Division 1A schools. Think about it.... If you are a stud athlete that is zoned for Mojave or Chaparral, or Sunrise Mtn, why would you want to play for that school in the Division 1A league? I think we will see a lot of kids transfering out of Division 1A schools and into Division 1 schools.
gorman is great cause of scroggins, stanley, powell, smith, and starks. next year gorman will level out with palo arbor and liberty and vegas.
Gmartinez, I agree with you that Gorman is great this year because of Scroggins, Stanley, Powell, Smith and Starks. But you forgot Soloman and Tillman. Also, as much as I would like to believe that Gorman will level out next year with Palo, Arbor View, Liberty and Las Vegas, I dont think thats going to happen. Remember, Soloman, Smith, Tillman will be seniors next year and Starks will only be a junior which is just scary. And Im sure Gorman has talented underclass linemen that will step up who may not be as good as Scroggins and Stanley but still very good. Things may level out sometime in the future but it wont be next year and possibly not for another 3 to 4 years.
I'm with Ray I think the gap between Gorman and Palo/Arbor/Liberty will be smaller next year but they won't be level yet. I think this year all the right pieces fell and that big line and depth at skills positions worked perfectly. But I think in 3 once kids start transferring out of THE subdivision schools it'll level off noticeably. Gorman is probably a top 100-150 school next season but they'll have a schedule that'll warrant higher ranking of they are talented enough to win out. Gorman will play 4-5 out of state opponents after the realignment with less division games to play.
For those who were interested in underclass games, Gorman's freshmen apparently played canyon springs and won 22-20..I don't put too much into that Gorman has a dozen freshmen on jv
Arbor View 0 Gorman 0 end of first quarter in JV game
Gorman 7 AV 2 halftime
All of Gorman's starters have been there since their freshman year.
Wow, live updates on the jv game :D cool, thanks tuas , im on the road right now so I get to miss out
4:18 left AV 10 BG 7
2 minutes left in game Gorman 14 AV 10 ... :56 seconds left AV returned the BG kick off to the 45...then got a first down and scored. AV 16 BG 14 pending xp...Gorman will have 27 seconds to score
no prob Qosky..i'm actually at home getting live updates from my buddy so i figured i would share the knowledge...anybody else watching Vegas/Rancho?
AV went for two and got it 18-14 AV with 27 secs left.. Gorman needs TD. Damn now I wish i would have gone even more.
Wow, nice my alma mater is Arbor View glad to see the jv beating a team like Gorman! Hope I'm fortunate enough to get live updates for the varsity game
Final Arbor View JV 18 Gorman JV 14. If varsity had any reason to doubt that Arbor would come out fighting hard then i hope this was a good wake up call. Can't wait for tomorrow night.
Wow, amazing, I'm not quite sure how good Gorman jv is but they can't be that bad! Think I can get live updates for the varsity game?
They are pretty dang good..they lost to Servite's JV in last second TD. So this is good for AV. Makes me look forward to tomorrow even more. I'll give updates tomorrow as long as my phone battery has juice lol
If anyone is at the Basic/Foothill game keep us updated because nevadapreps takes too long to post scores
Thanks so much tuas, much appreciated, you don't know how bummed out I am to miss out on this game.
Wow! What a great game tonite between Gorman and Arbor View jv teams! Almost identical to the Gorman/Servite jv game, especially the finish. Gorman took the lead 14 to 10 with like 2:30 minutes to go and then Arbor View scores the go ahead td with like 30 seconds to play. Arbor View was the more physically dominant team and really dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. I was at the Gorman/Servite jv game and Arbor View was more dominant on the line, especially on defense than even Servite jv. Arbor View pressured and sacked Gorman QB Hong all night and stuffed Gorman's running game where it looked like Gorman was held to less than 50 yds rushing for the game. So Gorman had to go to their passing game to move the ball and they struggled with that. Even though Gorman QB Hong had 2 td passes, he and his receivers were out of sync all night but much of that was because of Arbor View's defense and constant pressure on QB Hong.
Arbor View had a great defensive game plan and executed it greatly. I think Gorman's 14 pts was
the lowest of the year for them since they even scored 21 against Servite. Very proud of Arbor View
and im not hating on Gorman but Its great to see that other programs like Arbor View are definitely
closing the gap on Gorman's dominance. Hopefully tonight's game will be an indication of more
competitive Southern Nevada high school football in the upcoming years. Im hoping the varsity game tomorrow niight will be like tonight.
Lott has been there since he was a freshman.
Solomon without his line next year then you will see how good he is . that is if they even let him throw. I agree starks will be a differance maker but other than that i dont see gormon being dominated next year
gmartinez....i can't take it anymore. It's GormAn not Gormon. btw on the other story (rankings) you called Guru an idiot for saying Liberty wasn't overrated...even though he said the opposite. When you got called out on it you chose to remain silent. Do that more often.
tuasdad,
i know your a gorman homer, and i dont blame you. if my son played for gorman and didnt get any credit for being on the team i would be mad to.
gmartinez,
It's too not to. For a guy who calls people idiots you should address your grammar.
still didn't answer the question Martinez... and being a fan doesnt make you a homer. You're a Gorman hater...read all ten of your posts... Plenty of people post plenty of valid points and arguments about Gorman without coming off like "haters" you're comments are largely baseless and unwarranted. You make comments, not pose arguments. "Sanchez sucks" "Soloman sucks" etc... You don't even take the time to read people's comments before yapping. Several of us (including myself) have said Soloman is over rated and wouldn't be as good without that big line. Does he suck? No. Not at all. That's the difference between somebody who runs their mouth and somebody who makes a point.
Where's that Massehger person from last week that was so sure Gorman's D can't stop Arbor View? They've mysteriously have been MIA since that game was announced. My guess is if AV actually puts some points on Gorman tonight they'll magically re-appear.
Sg1... i don't think they'll need to go too far for those gap fillings. They have enough Soph/Juniors on Varsity to cover those holes. If last night showed anything it's that Palo isn't the only team that isn't scared of Gorman and I'm glad that happened. It's good for Gorman and Arbor View. Gorman needs to know they aren't going to show up with a print out of the national rankings and have teams roll over and Arbor View knows they can compete. Another reason I wish Arbor and Palo would schedule OOS game against noteworthy opponents. Bring in Arizona runner up to state or how bout a pac 5 team against Palo. Get Vegas their due credit.
Tuasdad, you hit it on the nose. Arbor View jv came out last night and pretty much punched Gorman jv in the mouth. Although there is no doubt that the Gorman program has the top talent, most of the schools that play Gorman come into the game with a defeated mentality even before the opening kick off. Arbor View jv showed last night that they really believed they could play with and even beat Gorman. Gorman jv on the other hand looked as though they believed they were going to win just because they were Gorman and so they looked like they were somewhat stunned. Kinda like a bully getting punched in the mouth by a kid picked on. Different than the Servite game because I think Gorman knew going into the Servite game that Serviite was coming to play. As much as I hate to say so, I do have to be real and say that even as poorly as Gorman's jv played last night, and much of that can be credited with the way Arbor View played, it took a last minute td for Arbor View to win which I think does say a lot for the overall talent Gorman has. For tonight's varsity game, Im sure Arbor View is going to have the same no fear mentality as their jv last night. But my concern is that if Arbor View gets blown out by Gorman, then I think its going to be even more devastating and demoralizing for Arbor View. Im just hoping that if Arbor View cannot pull off the upset that they will at least keep the game close so that the players and coaches will know that they can play with Gorman. Ive never been a hater of Gorman or a supporter. Im a fan of high school football and so I just think its better for Southern Nevada high school football for teams to at least be competitive with Gorman.
Ray- I think Arbor and Palo will have a very realistic chance of beating Gorman next season. If Gorman does not come into this game over confident (which i don't think they will after JV's wake up call yesterday) then they should dominate Arbor View. 40-6 50-10 somewhere around there if starters play whole game...which they should to get in game shape for playoffs. You're absolutely right about JV ref they knew Servite would bring it and didn't expect Arbor View to do the same.
I think the first quarter will be like last years playoff where Arbor hangs tough and shows they're not scared but i think the overwhelming talent takes over from there. I just think Gorman is clicking on all phases right now it's their game to lose. I think they're on par with 2002 McQueen, 2004 Palo Verde or 2009 Gorman where the only ones who can beat them is them. But i am more excited for tonight's game after the JV outcome. Tonight will be a better game than the state final.
Here you go again bitter bob..
A- I agree with you on a couple things SG1.. You're right Gorman will be playing harder thanks to JV losing. If that doesn't make them come into this game with something to prove them AV deserves to win.
B-National rankings can be inaccurate.
There's like 15,000 high schools in the country and it's gotta be dang hard to rank them. I'd say the top 400 are relevant and the top 200 are interchangeable. I've said it before I think Gorman is over ranked nationally. I don't think they're #5 like Rivals.com has them or 6th like CNN or 7th like ESPN. I think they're a top 20-25 team in the country which still says a hell of a lot and is a great accomplishment. I don't think they have the depth to beat the top 5 teams in the country and that's why they're not really the #5/6/7 teams. I'd agree more with USA today at #11.
But you're a hater so i wouldn't expect you to be reasonable but you can't call them silly computer rankings then in your next sentence point out how they've dropped to #30...on the same computer rankings you just complained about.
Those same ranking (Freeman) are silly. They also have Westlake (CA) as #5 in country which isn't even the best team in California. They have Valor CHristian (CO) ranked 6th in country and Euless Trinity Texas unranked...they are the worst rankings in the history of the world. Truly. Archbishop Moeller is 9th on freeman rankings...after a loss to an unranked team.. Tell me how that works.
A loss tonight would AND should knock them out. But I'm willing to bet they'll be motivated and playing hard knowing that Arbor View is coming balls to the wall.
As for small town teams.. save is. 2A Cocoa Florida who has 3 losses so far would slaughter any team in Nevada not named Gorman. 4a/5a/2a means nothing. 1999 or 2001 De la Salle would slaughter current concensous #1 Don Bosco (NJ) there's lots of small schools who would/could etc... tell me which small town school you saw this year that would whoop the crap out of Gorman? Not beat or compete but whoop?
He won't respond Tuasdad. He was too busy praying that Gorman would lose tonight. That's what's great about haters like him and Martinez. Eventually, they'll be able to claim they were right because every team eventually loses. I just think it's so telling that presumably grown men/women are praying for high school kids to fail. Shining examples of humanity is what they are.
Congrats to AV for stepping up and taking a shot. Good luck in they playoffs fellas!!!
I don't see how anyone can put AV in the top five in the valley. The big bad northwest layed an egg. You can't run that double wing when you are behind. You have a passing game that doesn't suck. Air it out more.
they over threw that big receiver at least 4-5 times.. J. Sweet got beat deep several times but their QB couldn't get that ball off with the pressure. Credit to Gorman's dline. But Gormanhomer you're wrong. They are undoubtably the #3 if not #2 best team in this city and would roll over anyone other than Palo and Gorman. It's not that Arbor View is bad... one dimensional? Kinda. But Gorman is just that good. Arbor would thoroughly beat anyone except Reed, Palo and Gorman. Credit to Gorman and credit to Arbor View they came out swinging.
Friday nights game is merely confirmation that the rest of the State is playing for 2nd place. Arbor is the top public school with Palo maybe being the exception and they can't stay within 50. I know there are a lot of Gorman supporters on this website, but it's time to take Gorman out of the public school arena or level the playing field. It has gotten ridiculous. Don't tell me Liberty can play with them either, Liberty got handled up front by Arbor when they played and Arbor got handled by Gorman.
No liberty won't hang within 40 points. Palo will keep it within 30 points just because of the power of that rivalry. Gorman will have a live opponent when they play Palo and increasingly looks like Reed actually has a solid team up north. Give it a year or two after realignment and the subdivision schools will start having stud players transfer out to upper 4a. I see Vegas and Liberty benefiting the most from that they'll get a lot if not most east side talent. Palo will get anyone decent zone for durango and spring valley like they do now anyway. It's going to get good here shortly. Then it'll be complaints that lower division gets no talent.
Sg1... You actually saw Katy play this year? Because you said you've seen schools that could whoop Gorman. I'd love to see them, Allen, Trinity or half the schools in Texas. Almost saw Trinity last year when I was in Dallas for the Pacquiao fight but couldn't make it in time.
As for your answer...Katy has 12,000 residents this is true. However enrollment at Katy HS is almost 3,000. I doubt there is 25% of their population is HS age. Las Vegas is like 400,000 people but the GREATER Las Vegas area (hendo, NLV, unincorporated Clark COunty) is much bigger. Katy HS is the only high school for the great Katy area. They have a feeder system of 6 middle schools and even their youth football program has a very well funded and active Booster club. The size and organization of their high school booster club (not the youth one this is separate) puts Gorman's booster club to shame. They are a different breed of animal much like Allen, TX who has less than 100,000 people but is building a 60 million football stadium for their one HS enrollment almost 5,000...along with 140 million for other performing arts and education center paid for by bonds. These are far far far and above different breeds of schools. They don't need to recruit, kids gravitate towards those programs. For the record Allen also has graduation rate of 99.3% how bout that for a PUBLIC school.
And neither Allen nor Katy would destroy this years Gorman. I think Katy would beat Gorman they have as good of a line and a bit more depth at skill positions, Allen however isn't as big or fast or as deep and have struggled against teams that have solid line and decent passing attack to go with running game. And Katy could beat 99.99% of high schools they've been to state quarter finals (in Texas mind you) 9 of last 10 years, semi final 7 of last 10, 6 of last 10 in state championship game and have won 4 of the last 10. And this is Texas 5A their largest classification against not just *13,000 population towns they play against the biggest and best in the state, and win.
So Sg1:
A- Make a valid point. I understand stand you hate Gorman, that's cool but don't talk out of your a$$. When you make stupid comments like that it just takes away your credibility. That's why i package your comments with half the 17 year olds that log on here and just hate on gorman. GURU and Ray Cordova are just as critical of Gorman and their advantages but present their arguments not just spew crap and hate. So for Gorman is there a small school who could Beat them? Absolutely. Whoop them? doubtful. You're almost as baseless as the martinez character and i'm pretty sure you're an educated adult not like most of the other blabbermouths that just can't put a sentence together and probably didn't even graduate from whatever school they support.
guru
gorman will level out with palo arbor view and liberty next year when they lose stanley and scroggins
And I assume you knew Katy Texas had 13,000 population off top of your head right? Gtfo with your mightier than thou attitude. You said you've seen small town 4a teams that could whoop Gorman. I proved that
a- you haven't seen any but you've heard ofp
b- they're 5a not 4a and certainly not a small town team like you try to pass off
C- they may be able to beat Gorman but not whoop them
Keep exaggerating and act like your better than everyone in this town. You hate it so much and so much smarter than everyone here why are you still here? Move to Katy they'd love you there. You're just that guy that has to complain about everything and loves being right. Keep telling yourself that, you're good at convincing yourself.
Tuasdad,
As usual, love your posts! They are always opinionated and full of incite, but fair. Disagree about Katy though. They have trouble playing defense but can score with the best of them.
As for SGNoone, you really thought he was well educated? Not...at least not to the degree he would have you believe. I've already called him on his poor grammar, inability to spell and lack of education. Ha!! He's just another idiot with a computer and backwater ideals. I actually believe his earlier post about karma was his way of celebrating the Fertitta boys' injuries!!! As I said he's a moron.
I'll make it to the Gorman-Palo game. He can bring proof of his education and I'll bring mine...oh wait, he probably lost his middle school graduation certificate!