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September 2, 2014

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letter to the editor:

The Tea Party killed the GOP

When Barack Obama was elected president of the United States, many were overjoyed. However, many were outraged and from that anger emerged the Tea Party. Republicans were livid and began to devise a plan to discredit and obstruct our president. It was so overt; the American people began to take notice and understand the Republicans’ plan to impede the president at every juncture. What happened were high approval ratings for our president and an obvious absentee, do-nothing Congress.

It is time to elect a woman as the next president of the United States. We know the Republican Party will go to any length to discredit Hillary Clinton before the next presidential election, but we are smarter today and we understand the Republicans’ game. Republicans are frightened because Mrs. Clinton has earned the respect of the American people, her peers, and world leaders.

The Republican base is rapidly dissolving; their ideology is cast in concrete and cannot be altered. They will try to keep Democrats like blacks, Hispanics, other immigrants and college students from voting, but they will fail. They will try to gerrymander presidential elections as they have in midterm elections. If all elections were on a popular vote, there would be no Republican Party; the Republican Party died with the creation of the Tea Party. The majority of the population does not trust the Republican Party or the Tea Party. Move over, fellas!

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  1. Debbie,

    Readers are aware you are a liberal democratic backer based on your previous letters to the editor. Question for you. There will be plenty of other potential candidates in the democratic party who could run besides Hilary Clinton, who will turn nearly 69 years old in 2016. In 2016, you'll also have 74 year old VP Joe Biden, 84 year old senator Dianne Feinstein, 77 year old senate pro temp Patrick Leahy, 77 year old House minority leader Nancy Pelosi, 77 year old senate majority leader Harry Reid, 74 year old house minority whip Steny Hoyer, 76 year old senator Barbara Boxer and a slightly younger potential candidate 72 year old Dick Durbin. And don't forget about 76 year old Jim Clyburn who currently is the assistant democratic leader in the house. Finally, there is 78 year old Maxine Waters who could run and surprise everyone. At least Maxine Waters would speak her mind like she did in the YouTube video below.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3I-PVVow...

  2. Many Progressives like Debbie Starr believe the Tea Party formed because a black man, Barack Obama, was elected President. This is the 'racist' angle that has been used to try to discredit both the Tea Party and by association, the Republican party.

    There is little doubt that the Republican, Tea Party and the Democrat party contain some racists as supporters, but they are a tiny number.

    Future is right to state that the Tea Party formed as a reaction not to Obama, a black man, but to the 'policies' of Obama and Democrats.

    Michael

  3. Michael

    Your post is accuate and well stated.
    The Tea Party is scary to liberals because it is a grass roots phenom that threatens the high tax and spend aspirations of the lberals.I am not a tea party memberm but am certainly impressed by their overnight popularity and accomplishments. They have given liberals something to think about. That's why liberals attack them with such aggressiveness.

  4. Houstonjac,

    Thanks but in my opinion, the Tea Party has the same flaw as the Republican party. On social issues, they are way too far right and not where a majority of the public is. If they make the 'Republican' mistake of allowing the religious right too large an influence, they will not be successful.

    I believe the Progressives make a mistake in believing that a majority of Americans agree with their Progressive economic principles, when that isn't true. The Tea Party needs to stay focused on economic issues if they want to be a force.

    Michael

  5. It wasn't the Tea party and its members that targeted and victimized the Government or President Obama. It was the Government, with or without the President's blatant consent and approval, that secretly targeted and victimized the Tea party and its members.

    Carmine D

  6. Bob Jack is wrong when he says the Tea Party is "grassroots".
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...

    "The Tea Party movement is remarkable in two respects. It is one of the biggest exercises in false consciousness the world has seen -- and the biggest Astroturf operation in history. These accomplishments are closely related.

    An Astroturf campaign is a fake grassroots movement: it purports to be a spontaneous uprising of concerned citizens, but in reality it is founded and funded by elite interests. Some Astroturf campaigns have no grassroots component at all. Others catalyse and direct real mobilisations. The Tea Party belongs in the second category. It is mostly composed of passionate, well-meaning people who think they are fighting elite power, unaware that they have been organised by the very interests they believe they are confronting. We now have powerful evidence that the movement was established and has been guided with the help of money from billionaires and big business. Much of this money, as well as much of the strategy and staffing, were provided by two brothers who run what they call "the biggest company you've never heard of"..."

  7. I notice Carmine is busily moving the goalpost on the so-called "IRS scandal". Smart readers will ask why or already know why.
    http://www.politicususa.com/2013/06/18/f...
    "Full Transcript Reveals That Darrell Issa Lied About Obama Involvement In IRS Scandal"
    Can Carmine point to any group that no longer exists because their 501(c)4 was delayed? Can he explain why overtly political groups SHOULD be granted such status when the law says they SHOULDN'T?

  8. "The Tea Party belongs in the second category. It is mostly composed of passionate, well-meaning people who think they are fighting elite power, unaware that they have been organized by the very interests they believe they are confronting."

    In the past, the power elite used Government to go after the power elite. In the current case of IRS targeting conservative groups, the power elite uses Government to target conservative middle class and working Americans aka Tea members.

    Carmine D

  9. "Can Carmine point to any group that no longer exists because their 501(c)4 was delayed? Can he explain why overtly political groups SHOULD be granted such status when the law says they SHOULDN'T?"

    Isn't this what the FBI investigation, directed by the Attorney General, is supposed to do?

    Carmine D

  10. Jeff makes this so complex when it isn't. We just disagree in many areas. I don't usually claim that what Jeff says are all lies he tells for some nefarious purpose. I just disagree with much of what he believes. I don't disparage people like Maxine Waters, even though I really disagree with the woman's point of view and often find what she says strange.

    I don't think most people on the left are evil, even someone like Maxine Waters. I think they are misguided but I accept that they are not evil and many sincerely believe in what they say.

    This should not be a war. It is a disagreement, which should be able to be debated without rancor or personal attacks.

    Michael

  11. I really, REALLY enjoyed this letter, Ms. Starr. You have said basically what I have been saying for years.

    This modern day definition of the Tea/Republican Party is radical. It's extreme. It's not even conservative anymore. It's neo-ultra-out-of-this-world-over-reaching-to-the-maximum-conservative.

    They are arrogant, stubborn, ornery and downright mean with nothing but a "my way or the highway" mentality in their ideas of passing legislation. And if they can't get their way, they block, they obstruct, they say no, they extend a middle finger at all of their perceived dissent. The very idea of compromise and working together seems foul and repugnant to any and all of their sensibilities.

    I say this will not stand.

    Not sure if Ms. Starr feels this way, but I am emphatically at war with the entire Tea/Republican Party.

    I not only want to vote them out of power wherever and whenever I can, but now I want to DESTROY them politically. I want them CRUSHED.

    Because it is the one and only way to get them to change.

    I know, I know, people point at politicians like Governor Sandoval and say, oh, hey, he's moderate, he cares for us, he's not like those others, he's a different Republican.

    He's not.

    Why?

    Because I guarantee you that if he had the State Legislature stacked with Tea/Republicans, you would see nothing but a flurry of State bills passed that would rival what they are doing in Texas, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin combined.

    Governor Sandoval would go nutball. Why? Because he could. With no one to stop him.

    I am down on record. I am fighting. I am not voting smart anymore. I am voting ANGRY. Straight Democratic Party ticket. I want the Tea/Republican Party obliterated.

    You may say that one party ruling America is not a good thing. I agree. But look at what we have now. We have the Democrats who are more than willing to work in government to get things done and legislate. On the other hand, you have the Tea/Republicans who just want to do for themselves and no one else, then lift their leg, and flatulate.

    Destruction. That's all I want from the Tea/Republicans. I want them obliterated from the political landscape.

    And I am going to do that with my vote.

    Gladly.

  12. It's interesting to read letters from those that castigate the Tea Party. They should stop and read what they write and ask themselves what 'they' sound like.

    'I am emphatically at war with the entire Tea/Republican Party.'

    'I not only want to vote them out of power wherever and whenever I can, but now I want to DESTROY them politically. I want them CRUSHED.'

    'Destruction. That's all I want from the Tea/Republicans. I want them obliterated from the political landscape.'

    For people who routinely go ape when they find 'over the top' comments by Tea Party members, I wonder what they'd call the comments above. If these comments are OK, why make such a fuss over similar comments made by Tea Party members.

    Michael

  13. "Calling the conservative the Taliban must really make you feel good this early in the morning"

    Radical religious groups have no borders or one religion, the Taliban are conservative!

    Ms. Starr,

    Ignore the delusional rants by some. The Tea Party first appeared in February of 2009. Obama was just elected so what policies were they reacting to? It wasn't long before they were high jacked by leaders of the Republican Party. People such as Dick Armey who was the House majority leader. The belief the Tea Party is grass roots is nonsense, astro turf would be a better description. They might have been in the beginning, but it wasn't long before the "big bucks" (Koch Bros.) took control. Victor_Eismine is correct though, the party isn't dissloving, its morphed into a bunch of southern old white people with a smaller "tent" holding fewer minorities. I wonder how that happened (sarcasm)? Could it be they are replaying the "welfare queen" southern strategy card played by Reagan?

  14. BoliBlingBling,

    Maxine Waters probably does believe big oil and coal should be socialized, but whats the difference? The gov't. has been funding big oil for one hundred years, better known as coporate welfare. How many trillions did that cost American tax payers?

  15. JeffFromVegas - "Tea Party members who stand in the crowd are usually nice people who have been whipped into a frothing frenzy by the likes of Michael Savage, Glenn Beckkk, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, Michele Bachmann, and Louie Gohmert types."

    Bill Maher - "Con men like Rush and Beck are one of the reasons the Republicans are in such dire straits today. Because they don't care about winning elections. They care about separating rubes from their money. They've discovered there's a fortune to be made by convincing a small portion of America under the illusion that they are always under attack from Mexicans, or ACORN, or Planned Parenthood, or gays, or takers, global warming hoaxers. It doesn't matter. They don't want a majority. They want a mailing list. A list of the kind of gullible Honey Boo Boos out there who think that there's a war on Christmas, and that the socialist policies of our Kenyan president have been so disastrous that the end of our world is coming."

    "I'm not exaggerating. Go to any right wing website, and you'll see ads for prepper bags, and water purifiers, and survival seeds, also known as seeds. And for years, Beck, Hannity, and other radio hosts endorsed Goldline. A company that sells gold coins to frightened old people for twice what they're worth. Why not just hogtie your audience and steal their disability checks? After all, we are talking about people who spend actual money on a children's book by a fat adulterer and a peroxide blonde from another dimension."

  16. Future - "I continue to be amazed at the paranoia exhibited by the occupy wall streeter like Debbie, last, Vern, Collin, and Jeff." "They first claim that the Conservatives are going away for supporting smaller government , freedom, self determination, private business, religion, life...."

    Either you can't read or you lie for the hell of it. I suspect you project because you have a hard time dealing with reality.

    One - I'm hardly paranoid and fear little.

    Two - I've never made such a claim.

  17. MarcJeric32 - "Rabid leftists full of hate spew their venom against everybody who might have doubts about their marxist Muslim President from Kenya and his 43 White House comissars. And of course Obama's 9 criminal scandals have disappeared from their view - nothing to see there, friends! And these Tea Party scoundrels - just wait until we line you up against the wall and mow you down!"

    Another hypocrite posting about hate. You seem to be out of touch with your own hate rant.

    "Con men like Rush and Beck are one of the reasons the Republicans are in such dire straits today. Because they don't care about winning elections. They care about separating rubes from their money."

  18. Vernos,

    You make many valid criticisms of the Republican party and I am happy to acknowledge that. But when you are unwilling to really criticize Maxine Waters, it does make what you write seem more suspect.

    In the video in question, Ms. Waters almost says 'socialize' the oil companies, then catches herself and spends over a minute trying to figure out how to undo the 'truth' about what she supports that almost came out. When she does speak again, it isn't very hard to draw the conclusion that this person really doesn't like Capitalism and could easily embrace an American Socialism.

    Yes, the oil companies have received tax subsidies but that is quite a distance from being owned by the government. Do you believe we should nationalize the oil companies? Maxine Waters does. If you agree, you might consider just saying so. If you don't agree, you might consider criticizing the woman for her views and what she said.

    Michael

  19. Michael,

    I don't believe the gov't. should own oil companies, then again, if they did it couldn't be any worse. Maybe if we nationalized big oil we can keep our own and not have it sold on a global market. I also believe oil companies shouldn't own the gov't. which is exactly what's happened. Our politicians cave to corporate bribes to keep themselves in office. We no longer pratice "capitalism" because "too big to fail" has taken over corporations and our gov't. promotes the will of "fat cats" while denying American citizens. When will you people on the right start to admit to that fact our gov't. is owned by the wealthy? We currently live in the same scenario of disparity that existed prior to the Great Depression, and anyone thinking it won't happen again is in a state of denial.

    76% of Americans have no savings or investments who live from paycheck to paycheck. It takes one terrible event to destroy an American family financially.

  20. Vernos,

    When will you remove me from 'you people on the right?' I am the guy who says over and over again that we need term limits and public financing of campaigns. Why do you think I suggest that? Because I know that the wealthy and powerful and their lobbyists trade money and support for legislation they want from our Legislative branch.

    I don't find anyone that writes to the Sun that knows better than I do how our government is run by the wealthy and powerful.

    You never seem to show much enthusiasm for term limits or public financing of campaigns. This leads me to believe you have the all too common mistaken belief that if more Democrats are elected, somehow, the wealthy and powerful with lobbyists will no longer do what they do today. I'm usually not so blunt, but that is an idiotic belief that flies in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

    And you did not address Maxine Waters. I hope you are not going to say you support the woman.

    Michael

  21. Micheal,

    "I don't believe the gov't. should own oil companies, then again, if they did it couldn't be any worse. Maybe if we nationalized big oil we can keep our own and not have it sold on a global market. I also believe oil companies shouldn't own the gov't. which is exactly what's happened."

    That is my response to Maxine Waters, I don't know her well enough to vote for her if I could, and there are things I've heard her say I don't really care for.

    My reference to people on the right was a general comment not meant for you specifically. I know your stand on our politicians and agree we need to revamp elections taking bribery and big bucks out of the system.

  22. Hi everybody,

    I just returned to read the posts.
    The Tea Party is a grass roots
    movement. Masses of folks who identify with
    the basis for the American Revolution--excessive taxation and a repressive government. With due respect to my honorable posting
    associate,Michael Casler,I really don't personally interpret the core of the Tea Party movement as being anything like a social values movement at all. Certainly,it is not pure,but is in anchored to being anti excessive taxation and a repressive goverment. In other words they oppose everything that Obama and the progressives stand for,so why would these people not vehemently oppose tha Tea Party. In fact they do.

  23. Hey everybody--here's a definition of "Tea Party" we can all agree on:

    "A social gathering, usually in the afternoon, at which tea and light refreshments are served."

    Let's all attend in a bi partisan spirit of fun.

  24. Had the Republican party been in touch with the voters and had that goof ball Mc Cain not selected the dingbat from Alaska to be his running mate we wouldn't be in the mess we're in , and then the Republicans put a mormon up against him in the next election who was so far out of touch with the voters it was a no brainer who would win that one. Tea party politics doesn't work , Republicans need to realize that to win an election you must present a candidate who is in touch with the American people not big business and special interest groups.

  25. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/dick...

    "Former House majority leader Dick Armey says he took an $8 million consulting deal in return for leaving the conservative organization FreedomWorks because the group was "dishonest" and because he "couldn't leave with empty pockets."

    http://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespendi...

    "Americans for Prosperity is a conservative 501(c)4 organization that spends money in support of Republicans and against Democrats. The group, like its forerunner organization Citizens for a Sound Economy, was founded with the financial support of libertarian billionaire businessmen David and Charles Koch."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...

    "An Astroturf campaign is a fake grassroots movement: it purports to be a spontaneous uprising of concerned citizens, but in reality it is founded and funded by elite interests. Some Astroturf campaigns have no grassroots component at all. Others catalyse and direct real mobilisations. The Tea Party belongs in the second category. It is mostly composed of passionate, well-meaning people who think they are fighting elite power, unaware that they have been organised by the very interests they believe they are confronting. We now have powerful evidence that the movement was established and has been guided with the help of money from billionaires and big business. Much of this money, as well as much of the strategy and staffing, were provided by two brothers who run what they call "the biggest company you've never heard of".

  26. Bob,

    I agree that a great many Tea Party members do not make social issues a priority but some do. Most make their priorities to fight against excessive taxation and repressive government.

    Since many of the supporters of President Obama generally favor an interventionist government (at least domestically) and higher taxes (but only on the wealthy and businesses), they are not going to agree with or like the Tea Party.

    Michael

  27. Kenny,

    I agree that Palin turned out to be a bad choice by McCain, but I do believe that his handling of the financial crises during the campaign, his age, his long time in Congress, and the fact that much of the country was enamored with Obama doomed McCain's candidacy.

    I do agree with your opinion that Republicans cannot continue to nominate candidates that appear to have no understanding of or connection to the common man. Romney was an easy mark to portray as an out of touch rich guy, especially after his comments at the fund raiser.

    Michael

  28. Vernos,

    Can you explain why it is that it matters so much that rich and powerful people are involved in the Tea Party? Does that have to invalidate the people you, yourself acknowledge are well meaning folks?

    George Soros is heavily involved in the Progressive movement, and Democratic politics and he is an extremely wealthy individual. Does that invalidate the well meaning regular folks in the Progressive movement? I think you would say, no it doesn't.

    The wealthy and powerful are going to gravitate to any group or movement and try to use it to their advantage. I think, to be fair, we need to use the same yardstick to evaluate that when it happens, whether it is the Koch brothers and the Tea Party or Soros and the Democrats and Progressives.

    Michael

  29. wtplv - "Can you explain why it is that it matters so much that rich and powerful people are involved in the Tea Party?"

    The point I intended to make was the Tea Party is not a grass roots movement, that's why people call it astroturf.

  30. Vernos,

    Oh yes, it is a grass roots movement. By the way are you now discriminating against rich people by excluding them from grass roots movements?

    Astroturf is what Obama plays golf on.

    Bob

  31. Michael

    I concur with your last post to me.
    Can you believe,knowing all that you do,that the Tea Party is not a grass roots movement. Vernos doesn't think it is. I know because he keeps repeating it.

    Bob

  32. To everybody who thinks oil companies get too many government subsidies--this is usually the claim made by folks who do not have the slightest clue what these "subsidies" really are. They simply like to hear themselves repeat the same noises that other anti- big corporate idealist liberals make. These oil companies must be of sufficient size to absorb big losses on their high risk exploratory ventures. So much for the reason for being big. Most all oil companies invest huge sums in exploratory ventures. The rate of success in untested fields is about one out of ten. They are forced to gamble big. But the rewards are worth it when they hit a major discovery. But if you don't play you can't win.That investment is called risk capital. Once a field is discovered, its resource extent is estimated. That oil reservoir is an asset,and like all assets it is used up as it is produced. In other words that asset is "depleted". As the asset depletes, a deduction against revenue is given . This is called a "depletion allowance". Much the same as any asset on the books depreciates(is "expensed"),oil fields lose their value by being "depleted". These depletion allowances(reductions in asset values) are off handedly referred to by anti big oil liberal pinheads as "subsidies",as these same liberal pinheads drive down the street in their big SUVs. And that's the way that "subidies" arise. Maxine Waters thinks she wants to "nationalize" these corporate businesses. That's a very scary thought when you consider that the government can't even find out what its people are doing most of time or what they do. And when they do find out what they do, refuse to accept any accountability for them.

  33. Bob,

    Vernos and others claim the Tea Party isn't grass roots because of the involvement in it by the Koch brothers.

    George Soros is involved with and funds many groups on the Progressive side, but that is considered a 'non issue' because they agree with Soros and the goals. They don't agree with the Tea Party and its goals.

    There is a grassroots element to the Tea Party but it also has wealthy backers. What does it really matter? Again, the whole argument is just one more subject that is used by people who dislike the Tea Party to discredit and de-legitimize the Tea Party.

    Michael

  34. I'm not a member of the Tea Party, and I've said so before. I do agree with some of the principles expressed by the Tea Party. I also agree with some of what Progressives support.

    In Jeff's world, if you agree with anything about the Tea Party, you are a Tea Partier. Also, in Jeff's world, if you point out that both sides engage in demonstably similar behavior, anything you have to say is to be discounted.

    I'll let each person decide if they wish to live in Jeff's world.

    Michael

  35. Jeff,

    Where to start? I support the right for women to have an abortion, so I would not favor a Texas law banning abortions if I lived there and could vote.

    I know very nice people on both sides of this issue. It is a passionate issue for many, although not for me. Many people believe that an abortion amounts to murdering a living person. Others take a view that an abortion is not murder because an embryo is not a person and a woman should be able to control her own body.

    I take the pragmatic view that you cannot effectively ban abortions. They will happen no matter what and I'd rather see them happen in a controlled environment rather than a back alley. I also feel that our society should be ashamed that with available birth control, we have so many abortions. That is a real tragedy, no matter where you stand on the issue, or at least I think it should be seen that way.

    To the video itself, this is an issue felt so strongly about on both sides, I am not surprised to see the craziness on the Republican side in Texas nor am I surprised to see the reaction by opponents. People have been killed over this issue and there are militants and very strong feelings on both sides. This is an issue where I do not agree with religious conservatives that want to ban abortion.

    I'm not quite sure what you are looking for here. I guess you are trying to illustrate just how off their rockers Republicans are. On this issue, I don't agree with them, but I do defend their right to try to pass legislation that bans a procedure they consider to be murder. I also support the person filibustering and all her supporters.

    I rarely think that a side should resort to what I term as 'ridiculous' means to stop something and or get what they want, as the Republicans did here, but.... and I know this drives you crazy.... but we all know that such 'ridiculousness' happens often and by people on all sides politically. This stuff happens when there are strong feelings about an issue.

    Michael