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Letter to the editor:

Mixed messages on Snowden’s actions

Edward Snowden exposed big government overreach and its violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.

Liberals love him. Rand and Ron Paul say he’s a hero.

But House Speaker John Boehner says he’s an anti-American traitor, and Obama wants to arrest and try him as a felon.

Tea Partiers are very confused and don’t know what to think.

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  1. "Whistle blowing" is indicative of a "crime" or unlawful activity taking place. There is no "crime" or unlawful activity involved in what Snowden did, except HE is the "criminal" in this instance for divulging classified information.

    He was an employee of a private sector company doing work for the US government. Do we know what type of "oath" he swore too, if any? Boos Allen having this type of power as a private sector entity bothers me more than one rogue employee. At least the PFC who dumped documents to wikileaks is under control of the US government, and was promptly arrested. His trial goes on.

    Snowden and Manning are both traitors and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. Heroes? Whistle Blowers? No they are not.

  2. Snowden is a hero for exposing the government's spying on innocent Americans. He's a traitor for defecting to Russia/China for asylum.

    Carmine D

  3. I view Mr. Snowden as brave and principled. In my opinion he appears to have put personal gain aside and opted to divulge to the American people the extent and scale of the government spying operations on everyone, not just terror suspects. Mr. Snowden's life is effectively ruined now and all he is left with is whatever pride he might feel for exposing the matter and whatever feelings one gets for briefly basking in the media spotlight.
    I may be wrong, but my take on Mr. Snowden's disclosures is that he hasn't divulged details which would endanger anyone. He has only publicized the fact that a vast array of sensitive information is accessible to literally millions of employees. The public needed to be aware of that.
    Another coincidental issue which might arise out of Mr. Snowden's disclosure is how much public money America is spending (or wasting) on amassing all this secret information.
    I truly believe that the terrorists have already defeated America by ruining its balance sheet and causing your wonderful country to spend itself into eventual bankruptcy. Mr. Snowden's disturbing revelations are merely another example of the myriad of ways in which America squanders its citizens' hard earned tax dollars.
    Let's face it. Mr. Snowden has given you another reason to be ashamed of your own government. Don't kill the messenger.

    Donald W. Desaulniers

  4. I believe nost of us are ambivalent when it comes to matters such as this one. Collectively, we hold our noses as we try to sift through the garbage. All of us expect some privacy and when it is invaded it gets our dander up. In this case, both sides have soiled hands, I believe. We canot have a government that spies on us while we go about our daily lives. It is unconscionable! It is also a given that we cannot have "leakers" spilling classified information willy-nilly. There has to be a balance. A good start would be if we were to have honest and honorable people in positions of power. That would obviate the need for "leakers." That is not the case today and has not been for many, many years. A part of the reason has to be shouldered by us. Many are too lazy to actually learn what they can about those running for office and simply select an R or D after a candidates name, a name that is vaguely familiar or related to a former politico. That is the recipe for what we see as our political system sinks lower into the sewer with each passing election.

  5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t27ie4qFl...

    The above link is why many people are clueless, flip flopping, hinge heads. We have "talking head clowns" acting as journalists whose sole intention is to cause political strife. Those of us paying attention knew years ago the Patriot Act allowed the government to spy on us. Do you want total and complete freedom or terrorist attacks? You can't have it both ways.

  6. With Edward Snowden's recent interview with the South China Morning Post this past Wednesday. The post revealed that Snowden shared documents that show "The NSA had been hacking computers in Hong Kong and the mainland since 2009.

    Snowden is currently living in Hong Kong fighting extradition by the U.S. He is a man without a country as we speak.With his sharing of national security secrets with China, who aggressively uses hackers to steal our government,military,and commercial secrets from us on a daily basis.What was he thinking,he would gain from all this?

    Calling Snowden a hero is like calling Chairman Mao a U.S.patriot.When the Chinese are done using Snowden and extracting all the information they can get from him and viewing him as not worth any more their time.He will be all alone scratching his head and saying to himself what did I do.

  7. Is anyone surprised that Snowden has admirers? In this country mass murderers get fan mail and marriage proposals while they're sitting in prison. Every night there are TV shows about gangsters, war criminals, you name it. It's good to be bad!

    The do-gooders and righteous people get nothing!

  8. Maintaining security is essential in an intelligence apparatus. Without it we are just going to end up with bodies piling up at the morgue.
    Collecting massive amounts of intelligence data has been going on since the nearly 1900s. Because of this there have been very few successful attacks on American soil. Even during World War II we were relatively safe in our homes.

    Our enemies have to be dancing in the streets. They don't even have to work at gathering data. We just give them millions of pages of it. Fantastic!

    A note to Mr. Snowden. Be careful in China if you end up there. They will shoot you and sell your organs on the black market if you get too sassy. Best of luck!

  9. "Edward Snowden exposed big government overreach and its violation of the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. . . . .Tea Partiers are very confused and don't know what to think."

    Goldfarb -- but there's that pesky First Amendment protecting everyone's liberty to speak their minds. You're wrong after your first paragraph -- like your view there's an actual "Tea Party" and that it speaks with a united voice.

    "It is not unusual for a government employee or a soldier of our armed forces to have moral and ethical differences with the decisions the U.S. government makes. . . . .In the case of Snowden, he has been accurately fixed as a traitor. No questions about it."

    BChap -- your first statement made no distinction between your two classes. Like only the second takes an oath swearing loyalty to the Constitution and nation, not institutions. Following that line of reasoning, your second statement is not only questionable, it's wrong for placing a federal government institution as any kind of priority over the Bill of Rights.

    "Snowden is a hero for exposing the government's spying on innocent Americans. He's a traitor for defecting to Russia/China for asylum."

    CarmineD -- totally agree with you on the first, totally dispute you on the second. The federal authorities are the real traitors for targeting him.

    "Those of us paying attention knew years ago the Patriot Act allowed the government to spy on us."

    VernosB -- the Fourth Amendment doesn't permit what the Patriot Act "allows." No act of Congress in conflict with it can be law, no matter what We the Herd moo and bleat for. It's really that simple.

    "Calling Snowden a hero is like calling Chairman Mao a U.S.patriot."

    samspeaks -- obviously you have no clue who "Chairman Mao" has. I recommend you start with the Guiness Book of World Records.

    "Is anyone surprised that Snowden has admirers? In this country mass murderers get fan mail and marriage proposals..."

    "Maintaining security is essential in an intelligence apparatus..."

    zippert -- obviously the Bill of Rights means nothing to you. That robs your post of any credibility whatsoever. Don't on me plan on me marching in lockstep with you shouting praises for our tyrants keeping us "safe."

    To all -- check out yesterday's article here @ http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/jun... -- "In other words, the obvious purpose of collecting the DNA sample was to solve cold cases. This is an admirable goal. But there's that pesky Fourth Amendment. "Solving unsolved crimes is a noble objective," Scalia wrote, "but it occupies a lower place in the American pantheon of noble objectives than the protection of our people from suspicionless law-enforcement searches."

    Substitute "Keeping us safe" for "Solving unsolved crimes" and it's no stretch to see Justice Scalia was right on with this one!

  10. Life in the United States is obviously becoming way too difficult for some of you folks. It may be time to leave. Snowden is going to need some roommates. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

    Internment of American citizens during World War II. Slavery, racial hatred, anti-Semitism, McCarthys blacklists, J Edgar Hoover's lists on everyone. Countless young men getting drafted and and slaughtered the world over. Discrimination against women and gays are all part of this country's history. You must be teenagers if you think life is difficult now. The fact that we have the time to engage in this nonsense reflects that we are living in the greatest time of American history. When I was growing up in the 50s and 60s they were slaughtering black people in the South and there were signs in Vegas reflecting, "no Negroes in the pool".

    Life is better than it's ever been and the Constitution is adhered to more today than it's ever been.

    Scalia has extensive security. He doesn't have to worry about being a crime victim.

    The Chinese need to bring back "death by a thousand cuts" for Snowden the first time he says something they don't like.

    That fool is going to beg to come back to the United States.

  11. Future... Mail sifting was a primitive version of what's going on now. That began around World War I. I don't think Obama was around then.

  12. killerB,

    "Samspeaks--- obviously you have no idea who Chairman Mao was."

    For your information Chairman Mao,better known as Chairman Mao Zedong was the charismatic and brutal leader of communist China from 1949 until his death in 1976,He was known as a butcher and is responsible for the death's of millions of Chinese people in the name of the cultural revolution in China.

    His atrocities by far outweigh any achievements,if he had any. He is not a person to look up to, if this is what you are trying to portray about him.

  13. "His atrocities by far outweigh any achievements,if he had any. He is not a person to look up to, if this is what you are trying to portray about him."

    samspeaks -- Guiness listed Mao as #1 in the world ever for mass murders. Hitler only rated #2

    "Try explaining Hitler to a kid." -- the late George Carlin from "Brain Droppings" (1997)

  14. "Hitler only rated #2"

    oops -- Hitler was 3. Stalin mad #2

  15. "Hitler, Stalin, and Chairman Mao all killed millions and millions so I see little reason to rank them based on who killed the most...."

    El_Lobo -- you'd have to take that up with the Guiness brothers. And I see I did another typo...

    "They [the Reagan Administration] want to put street criminals in jail to make life safer for the business criminals. They're against street crime, providing that street isn't Wall Street." -- the late, great George Carlin from "Carlin on Campus" (1984)

  16. "Apparently Fox News and the conservative media machine decided to ignore this information because they claim, like Carmine, to not know about it until of course it's Obama's fault."

    Separate the leaker [Snowden] from the leaked information [to be determined after his defection for asylum]. You conflate the two, wrongly.

    Carmine D

  17. "CarmineD -- totally agree with you on the first, totally dispute you on the second. The federal authorities are the real traitors for targeting him."

    Booz Allen Hamilton, who employed Snowden, and the U.S. government who hired Booz, a consulting firm, to perform top secret intelligence deserve the blame. They [government and its high paid consultants, breed rogue spies like Snowden. These quasi-government employees [consultants] use their secret/top secret clearances to acquire classified information to aggrandize themselves at the expense of the U.S. and its citizens.

    Carmine D

  18. Sam:

    There is a simple lesson in life that all should learn very early. All the good that one does can never make up for the evil. We don't know yet the extent and harm of the information that Snowden will give up by defecting. But whatever the good he did by disclosing the government's mass spying was surely undone by his defection to Russia/China, who both have offered him asylum and are calling him a hero.

    Carmine D

  19. " Russia/China,who have both offered him asylum and are calling him a hero."

    You also called him a hero on your post on June 15, 5:01 a. m.

  20. He's both Sam at different times. Sadly, life lesson teaches, or should, that the traitor negates the hero.

    "The evil that men do lives after them...the good is interred with their bones."

    Excuse me William Shakes for taking editorial liberty with your words.

    Carmine D

  21. On this thread you call him a hero,June 15,5:01 a.m. On the thread of "You can't compare Snowden,Ellsburg." June 16,6:12 a. m." This breeds spies like Snowden" He is one or the other, he can't be a hero on one thread,and a spy on another thread.