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October 30, 2014

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U.S. laws should put citizens first

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We would not have one illegal immigrant living in this country if we had strong immigration laws.

When my grandparents came to this country from Russia and Italy, they came here legally. They learned the language and were proud to eventually call themselves American citizens.

We have thousands of legal American citizens out of employment. We have a two-party system unable or unwilling to stop the influx of more illegal immigrants, and in some cases wanting more immigration to this country. Meanwhile, our own citizens are struggling to survive.

This insanity has to stop. If we are going to change the meaning of illegal to legal, then let us free every prisoner in our jails for their illegal acts. We talk about freedom and justice; it is time we got some from our so called public servants in government.

Let’s get real; this is all about money and re-election, nothing else.

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  1. Open the borders to all, but put a wall around the welfare state.

    Carmine D

  2. I can't believe I am actually agreeing with Tominsky but, for once, he's using some common sense in his posts. My grandparents also arived on these shores LEGALLY, got no help from taxpayers, learned English, assimilated and became productive citizens, unlike many flooding the USA illegally today. If the state of NV can so easily find these lawbreakers to hand them drivers "cards," why can they (and the INS) not find them to deport them? It has to be a willful decision on the government's part to look the other way.

  3. Nice to see all the compassion and humanity on full display here. Did anyone notice the long time government worker Carmine bleating on about the welfare state? I wonder if he knows which states receive the most federal government aid versus the dollars they send to Washington?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/12/us/eve...

  4. "Did anyone notice the long time government worker Carmine bleating on about the welfare state?"

    Welfare should be directed to citizens first not immigrants coming here for the sole purpose of living off the state's benefits. For a variety of reasons. First, the U.S. can't afford to add more to the dole. Our budget deficits and debts are astronomically and burden us and future generations with unpaid debt and interest on it. Second, if immigrants are coming for hand out, not to share in the American dream, then I ask you: Should we really welcome and want them?

    Carmine D

    PS: Before and during my government job, I owned and operated a family business. Paid into Social Security for my employees and myself for over 40 years. And although I'm eligible, I don't collect SS. I collect my gov't pension after 33 years of paying into it. At last review, I'm still collecting my paid in contributions and will for a long time into the future.

    If you can match or top that, be my guest. Here's your opportunity to put your money where your mouth is.

  5. Many of our laws do put citizens first. But Obama and Holder AREN'T ENFORCING OUR LAWS. But you are correct in that Nevada DHHS via our Governor and Legislature are giving EBT SNAP preference to illegal families over cold and hungry American seniors who need food and utility assistance. Many Nevadans worked in the service industry at minimum wage and are now getting all of $800 a month in SS benefits. They qualify for EBT but get almost $16 a month and are turned away from food banks. Yet, illegals get EBT up to 200% of poverty (versus 130% for citizen seniors), free LIHEA utilities because the household is more than 2 people, and get free health care, housing vouchers....

  6. Carmine,

    Respectfully, your statement, "Open the borders to all, but put a wall around the welfare state," is usually credited to the late, great economist Milton Friedman.

    Regards
    Purgatory

  7. Because you wingnuts speak only to one another repeating baseless facts and misinformation (communicating within the bubble) you may not be aware of these facts:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-is-...

    "Obama has deported 1.06 million illegal immigrants through two-and-a-half years in office, Reuters reports. This puts him on pace for more deportations in his first term than George W. Bush's 1.57 million in eight years."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/us/adv...

    WASHINGTON -- As President Obama intensifies his campaign for a broad overhaul of the nation's immigration system, advocates for America's 11 million illegal immigrants are stepping up demands that he stop what has become one of the most aggressive and efficient efforts in decades to round up and deport people who are in the United States unlawfully.

    The line between Mexico and the U.S. is now more secure than it's been in decades. Obama has poured money and resources into border security. In his first term, he spent $73 billion on immigration enforcement. That's more than the budgets of all other federal law enforcement agencies--the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Secret Service, Drug Enforcement Administration, U.S. Marshals Service--combined, according to the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan research group. (Bush spent $37.4 billion on immigration enforcement in his first term and $60 billion in his second.)

  8. Vernos,

    You may or may not be aware of these facts:

    1) People who want responsible immigration policy are not necessarily "wingnuts."

    2) The Migration Policy Institute may not be partisan, but it is certainly a promoter of open borders, amnesty, and socialism for illegal immigrants.

    Regards,
    Purgatory

  9. /We would not have one illegal immigrant living in this country if we had strong immigration laws./

    Tominsky - you mean Fascist State Laws, where the Jackboots profile people using biology, stop them on the spot and demand papers. If no papers, put them in a police van and make them disappear. That is the only way to eliminate most of the immigrants you call 'illegal'.

    Strong immigration laws are only words without the Jackboots which are part and parcel of your (final) solution.

    'Illegal' is a definition that has been based on religious preference. The early American Colonies practiced such religious discrimination and kept other creeds and faiths out by laws. Catholics in the Massachusetts Bay Colony were illegals who could be put in jail or executed. Those laws worked until they were forbidden.

    When the Fascists came to power in Germany, Jews were declared non-citizens and thus could be taken into custody by the (Jackboot) Police. Nazi Germany also claimed that Jews were a deviation from the true human race and in that manner, were able to deny them humane treatment with justification.

    Denial of citizenship was the first step, denial of humane treatment comes next.

    You should read "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America" by Chris Hedges whose father was a Presbyterian Minister. Hedges also earned a Master of Divinity from Harvard Divinity School.

    Hedges points out in elegant literary fashion how the Religious Right in America creates it's own identity by identifying it's 'enemies'. Liberals and immigrants are their largest enemy group: nearly identical to the ways of Nazi Germany in scope and design.

  10. Remember also that before the Mexican American War, 1846 to 1848, most of the Southwest, Arizona and California belonged to Mexico.

    Americans in the gold rush of 1849 were illegal immigrants into Mexican Territory. Mexicans lived in the Southwest long before the Americans. We didn't make ourselves legal by petitioning the Mexican Government. We are the illegals who re-defined the legal terms and are now claiming that 'those guys' are the illegals. Law is only defined by who won the last war and not on ethics or morals.

    Tominsky - you pride yourself on your parents learning the English language. My grandparents were Germans and Hungarians and they too learned the American language but never expected to stand on a pulpit and aggrandize themselves.

    You should continue that pride by reading more about American History and Law: it will knock your socks off. When you are done with that, study Physics and you'll learn that the Earth is much older than 6,000 years.

  11. "NOBODY working for government paid anything into their pension."

    I can't speak to ALL government pensions, but I can for the Federal government. Your statement is wrong. Federal employees pay into their own retirement system and can't refuse. It's mandated. This is true of both recent retirement systems: The Civil Service Retirement System [CSRS] and the Federal Employees Retirement System [FERS]. Federal employees are provided an annual statement, just like payers/recipients of social security, indicating what they paid in and what they will receive when retired.

    If you have any questions on either of these two retirement systems, ask. I'll be happy to answer any and all to the best of my knowledge and experience.

    Carmine D

  12. "Carmine,

    Respectfully, your statement, "Open the borders to all, but put a wall around the welfare state," is usually credited to the late, great economist Milton Friedman.

    Regards
    Purgatory"

    True and many others. I am an ardent follower and believer in the economics of Friedman, Kayek and Mises.

    Carmine D

  13. "As another late great economist--William Niskanen, a member of President Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers and chairman of the Cato Institute--once put it: "Better to build a wall around the welfare state than the country."

    Carmine D

  14. Are we talking about the Patriot Act, or just blowing smoke again.

  15. ""NOBODY working for government paid anything into their pension."... The taxpayer paid every penny Carmine D,"

    I'm a taxpayer.

    Carmine D

  16. Becker is nuts when he equates what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany to ILLEGAL immigrants in the USA! The Jews were in Germany LEGALLY for generations and were natural born citizens. They did not sneak across some border to get there, Becker! Your posts are normaly simply innane, but this one shows your dark side and it ain't pretty!

  17. Rumor has it that Senator Harry and Mr. O. are hyping the immigration legislation with the FULL INTENTION of defeat in the House--so they can harp and harp and think they'll sway voters for 2014 to elect more Dem Representatives--so they can super-majority and turn EVERYTHING into SOCIALISM. Think our economy is bad now...... So their motives are rather AGAINST ILLEGAL INVADERS--many of whom are not emigrating, just visiting to do crime for cash and collect welfare while their illegal anchor babies CLAIM birth-right citizenship.