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Don’t undermine the Constitution

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President Barack Obama shouldn’t waste his “political coin” on losing fights.

Virtually all Americans support getting the country back to work; diversifying the economy; and getting the budget, deficit and debt under control. Mature Americans know we have to act to protect the social safety net. Reasonable Americans will accept that we don’t need hundreds of military bases in nearly 160 foreign nations (and probably fewer than the several thousand here) for security.

Obama promised a strong economy, peace, security, fiscal responsibility, education, health and restoring America’s reputation, and I voted for him and all those things.

He did not promise, and I do not support, undermining the Second Amendment.

Helping the mentally disturbed, better policing and stiffer penalties for all violent criminals are all effective methods. Most gun laws are useless because it is not the lawful use of the most “dangerous” weapons that is the problem.

Criminals already are violating the laws; they aren’t bothered by stealing, smuggling and illegally purchasing the guns they use to break other laws. They also have few qualms about using bombs, poison, drugs, knives and vehicles (the planes on 9/11 killed more people than any mass shooting event ever).

While I agree with most of my fellow citizens who believe that all gun sales — including private sales — should be registered and subject to background checks, I don’t agree with those who are ready to violate the Second and the First amendments, and I don’t believe the House is ready either.

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  1. President Obama has consistently overreached his authority to undermine the US Constitution. Obamacare, unconstitutional appointments to the NLRB, the elimination of welfare to work requirements of the 1996 Welfare Reform Law, appointment of czars to never ending terms, establishing the Consumer Financial Protection Agency and not having it report to Congress, and on an on. President Obama is the 21st Century equivalent to President Roosevelt.

    CarmineD

  2. That would be Franklin not Theodore.

    CarmineD

  3. Requiring a background check for all gun sales and limiting the ammunition capacity of semi-automatic weapons would seem like common sense actions to take. No one can say how much these steps will help with a degree of certainty but doing nothing has more predicatable consequences.

  4. CarmineD

    A better judge of Franklin Roosvelt than you just might be the people who were alive at that time and elected hin President four times.

  5. "CarmineD

    A better judge of Franklin Roosvelt than you just might be the people who were alive at that time and elected hin President four times." @ Jim Weber

    Or even a better judge, the US Congress, after FDR's 4 unprecedented consecutive elections, passing a Constitutional Amendment to limit presidential terms to a max of 2 consecutive ones.

    CarmineD

  6. BTW Jim, et al:

    In his second term, many many New Deal Dems broke ranks with FDR over his overreach of Constitutional authority. Obama should take note of this historical event. The same, I repeat, the same will happen in Obama's second term. In fact already has. The Senate Dems did not support the ludicrous scheme to change the super majority rule, [NOT EVEN REID] striking a compromise instead to leave the Senate rules on filibuster intact. Reid and the Senate Dems won't bring the lion's share of the President's gun reforms to a vote this year or next. Why? Reid already said so on national TV upsetting Senator Feinstein and I'm sure President Obama too. There are 20 Dems up for reelection in 2014. Five are pro gun rights with NRA ratings of B+ and/or A. Reid's not going to risk their reelections on gun controls and lose control of the Senate. A middle of the road balance will be struck. It will respect the Second Amendment and keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people like criminals and mentally ill.

    BTW, the Senate knocked out the filibuster rule reforms in one day. Talk about Congressional compromise in a hurry. They can do it when politics is the driving force for action. People's business, like the Sandy Relief Bill? That can wait.

    CarmineD

  7. FYI on the 22nd Amendment:

    Amendment XXII:

    "Until 1940, presidents honored the George Washington precedent of serving for only two terms. In that year Franklin Roosevelt defied tradition and won a third term, then later a fourth term. Roosevelt died in office in 1945. Presidential term limits became a huge issue in the 1946 watershed election, and a new generation swept into office, many of them returning soldiers. The new congress was young, idealistic, and committed to change. One of their first priorities was the XXII Amendment, which was ratified by the states in early 1951. Since then, we have had eleven presidents, but so far only four have been restricted from another term by this amendment.

    There have been many proposals to reform or revise the XXII Amendment. Congress has repeatedly submitted bills to repeal the amendment, but none has ever made it out of committee. Some have proposed that the restriction be revised to consecutive terms, and others want a super-majority of both houses to have the ability to override the restriction."

    We're a republic not a monarchy. Americans fought and won that battle over 236 years ago.

    CarmineD

  8. And Bill Haldeman's area of expertise is??? Constitutional law?

  9. Heil, Jeff! You have to be kidding or nuts!

  10. brtaylor,

    Lets post those who had abortion in the paper like Journal News did with gun owners.

    55 million abortions since 1973.

    Which one is the bigger threat to life?

    Abortion or buying a gun.

  11. Good points, brtaylor!

    Having a bunch of lunatics and paranoids running around with military style weapons and magazines, acting as if they are an "unofficial" army protecting our rights, is not my idea of securing the Constitution.

    Voting is the only way we can have a way of speaking the peoples will. It must be the most important right in our system to be protected by our "official" military. It is this military that serves to protect the Constitution by, for, and of the People. Best we work to ensure they keep that in mind, and voting is a way of doing that.

    There are some admissions about the citizen's right to guns on the basis of protecting the people from the government. However, there is nothing said about the takeover of the government by the fanatics or getting us into another civil war without a vote of the people through suppression or prevention by the gun owner's.

    Somehow, we need to get the gun owner population returned to reasonable, responsible, and stable people. A comprehensive psych evaluation requirement for gun ownership could serve that purpose, and reveal those who need mental health services rather than guns.

    There are plenty of people who think they are mentally healthy when they are not. I would like to see them weeded out before they get a gun in their hands.

    I would also like to see more laws and enforcement to stop contraband weapons moving to and from the US.

  12. Does O. have anyone who can do math? They want us to adopt 15 million illegals plus their kids so that would be 15 million FEWER JOBS for Americans. They want us to pay for K-12, free health care, housing, LIHEA utilities (given to the families even if illegal so seniors in small households get zip), EBT food stamps for anchor babies and caretakers (illegal moms), non-profit (which are funded by our tax dollars) services / clothing / food banks / health care / housing. They want us to sacrifice our standard of living, our way of life, our otherwise-essential gov. services such as mental health services, and our retirements so we can pay for ILLEGALS. America is a country of LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. How would enforcement on employers of illegals work if you decide everybody can stay? How would statutes prohibiting illegals to posses guns work if you say they can stay? I see waves and waves of more crime for cash. And of course, greatly accelerated UNPAID ER services as there will be no hesitation to run in for every tooth ache. It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL for any STATE TO ISSUE A DRIVERS LICENSE to an illegal since ONLY the federal government can regulate immigration.

  13. "Does this answer your question? Regarding the babies not born, I truly believe they are blissful inhabitants of heaven" from JeffFromVegas

    90,000 estimated abortions already this year. How about 55 million since 1973 due to the liberal policy of abortion. These babies never had a chance to experience a parent's love, hugs or kisses.

    Here is your abortion clock.

    Jeff, I've never seen someone put such a positive spin on the killing of babies via abortion like you. Pat yourself on the back son.

    http://www.numberofabortions.com/

  14. Bill Haldeman, from Las Vegas, Nevada,

    So what is your point?

    You made the case for the Obama administration for having background checks and registration. So how is this infringing on the First and Second amendments?

    Having background checks on individuals purchasing a firearm does not violate the second amendments.

    Having all gun sales registered is not an infringement on a citizens First or Second Amendment rights.

    The US government is not trying to take away your right buy guns. The main push is to have accountability on gun sale at gun shows. Anyone can buy a gun at a gun show....anybody with cash. Anybody. We need accountability on gun show transactions.

    The majority of gun crimes in the inter cities have no information on where or who purchased the gun. Many times, it is only the shell casings that clues the investigators on what type of gun was used.

    Wayne LaPierre is the mouth piece of the NRA. His job is to scare gun owners into thinking the US government is coming to take our guns away. That's his job. The gun manufactures pay Mr. LaPierre to whip-up the extreme, and the weak minded, and the uneducated, to promote gun sales. It works every time. The weak and uneducated run to the gun stores to by a gun they will never need to use on another human being in their lifetime. And some cases, this escalates in the mind of a gun owner that something will happen, so they find ways to place themselves in situations requiring the use of a gun. Such as getting a gun permit. This is legal. It is the law. But some can't wait to use the gun, and carry the a gun, not for protection, but to seize the moment when they can use their gun in situation that requires a trained Law Enforcement officer. Some can even image an interview from the news reporter of being a hero in shooting a suspect in crime situation.

    This opens the discussion into the mental capacity of legal and illegal gun owners. And of those who talk and believe the US government is trying to take away our rights to bear arm.

  15. @brtaylor,

    What evidence do you have to support your comment that the second amendment was enacted to put down slave revolts?

    It is known that Mother Jones posited the theory in a 2008 article, and Danny Glover recently made remarks during an appearance at Texas A&M.

    Are you repeat the information, or have you done research of your own?

  16. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/27...
    whether Obama is wasting his political coin or not depends on where you live. Some parts of this country are more violent than Iraq and Afghanistan. A mother losing four young children in separate violent incidents is outrageous.

  17. Doesn't citzens united undermine the first admendment ? The patriot act the fourth ? Funny how the gun nuts are willing to trade security for privacy .

  18. Comment removed by moderator. Name Calling

  19. @tomfranklin,

    Are your trying spreading fear and misinformation.

    Really? Join the NRA? Please! Don't confuse Patriotism with gun sales when you tie the NRA to our freedoms.

    Wayne LaPierre and the NRA are the mouth piece for the gun manufactures. The America People are not stupid my friends. The people who try and scare the America People with the crazy talk we hear from the NRA leadership, are a bit crazy and easily mislead. That goes for the people who spread the fear and the people respond to the fear. Like running out to buy a gun because the NRA and Wayne LaPierre told you to do. That is being stupid, being ignorant, being uneducated.

    America History tells us a different story of freedom and the Second Amendment. Spreading fear to increase gun sales is getting old.

    The majority of legal Americans already have guns. The majority of Americans are not part of the NRA. The majority of Americans...and Americans who know American History, are not moved by the crazy talk of the NRA and Wayne LaPierre, and those who talk of the US government taking our gun.

    My friend, read your history. If you are an American living in America, or a visitor who has made America your home, there is no excuse for ignorance.

    This country is replete with information. There is no excuse for ignorance!

    If a person calls this being naive, their wrong! This is what responsible American do, responsible gun owners do. We stay prepared. We are not members of the NRA. We do not need the NRA's permission to stay prepared, or to protect our homes, or our country.

    The NRA does not speak for America!

    Take your fear and your hatred to another country!

  20. Thanks brtaylor,

    My request was not a challenge, but a request for more information.

    The Bible is the ultimate calling card. Removes all barriers, open all eyes and ears... opened or closed.

    There is talk about the Second Amendment being passed in order to control the slave population. Even though this sound like it make sense, or one can connect the dots to rationalize this theory, this is far the true. Events, and the People involved tell another story.

    So when one hears this in the media, or online, one has to do the research to get the facts. History tells us the second amendment was not passed to control slavery. Many disagree, but the information tells us different.

    Did the talk of slavery come into play, was it a backroom topic, or did special interest (the slave owners) have a say? You bet they did. However, the second amendment was not drafted or passed to control the slavery, or the slave trade. One would say these are the words of a naive or misinformed person. History tells this different.

    Like all truths, one must be an active participant to know what really happened.

    On an expanded note, the second amendment was use by others to arm those who before the passage of the second amendment, could not own a firearm.

  21. Comment removed by moderator. Attack on religious beliefs.

  22. "Wrong! Obamacare is fine according to those who decide these things, SCOTUS." U R Knutts

    Check again. Preemies still have parts of Obamacare under their purview for review and decision.

    CarmineD

  23. "Actually Carmine, we're a "constitutional democratic republic." El Lobo

    As usual you use 3 words where one would do. I'll give you "Constitutional Republic." Democratic is redundant.

    CarmineD

  24. "If Congress doesn't have the integrity to
    re-establish the assault rifle ban, PRESIDENT
    OBAMA may have to step in and do it himself." @ Teamster

    Congress won't starting with Reid and the Senate. Reid already said so. 20 dems in the Senate are up for reelection in 2014. Five have a B+ or A rating from the NRA. Do you really think Ried will risk their reelection and lsoe control of the Senate over gun rights. Think again.

    If you recall I said Obama should use Executive action to extend the Federal assault weapons ban. The courts will then review it and strike it down. In the meantime, the ban is in effect.

    NLRB? What happened? If you recall Teamster I said here that Obama's recess appointments on January 3 were null and void. I think I used those words exactly if you go back and check. Senate was in session. Obama, a Constitutional expert as you say above, overrode Senate advise and consent. And the Appelate Court in DC struck him down. Over 200 decisions by the NLRB are null and void. Pretty good Constitutional expert Obama is. Yeah, right!

    CarmineD

  25. PS Teamster:

    Forgot to mention, all those decisions by the NLRB are pro-union. ;-)

    You and union fans are having a tough year. As a former Chief Steward for AFSCME, I feel your pain.

    CarmineD

  26. Who needs to attack religion when it does the job quite nicely on it's own?
    Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

    Kill Witches
    You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

    Kill Homosexuals
    "If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

    Kill Fortunetellers
    A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

    Death for Hitting Dad
    Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

    Death for Cursing Parents
    1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
    2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

    Death for Adultery
    If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

    Death for Fornication
    A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

    Death to Followers of Other Religions
    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

    Kill Nonbelievers
    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

  27. Well, I posed the question if JeffFromVegas was kidding or nuts and he answered it clearly in his additional ludicrous rants. It's obvious he has no understanding of the Constitution of the United States of America and the protections it affords even those with malodorous ideas such as his. Breaking down the doors of private citizens without cause was a totalitarian concept practiced by the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and other tyrants! While the odious practice continues in many parts of the world, it's simply not something sane American citizens would propose.

  28. "The government of China, for example, (Peoples Republic of China) is a far cry from what can correctly be called a democracy." @ El Lobo

    Who here was posting about China. I posted about the foundations of the USA and the origin of the 2nd Amendment: Sons of Freedom.

    CarmineD

  29. "I used the People's Republic of China as an example of that...." @ El Lobo

    An example of what? China was never part of the discussion here on this thread. The US is.

    CarmineD

  30. FYI El Lobo:

    "A distinct set of definitions for the word 'republic' evolved in the United States. In common parlance a republic is a state that does not practice direct democracy but rather has a government indirectly controlled by the people. This understanding of the term was originally developed by James Madison, and notably employed in Federalist Paper No. 10. This meaning was widely adopted early in the history of the United States, including in Noah Webster's dictionary of 1828."

    CarmineD

  31. "We started with a republican form of government but it has changed over the last 200+ years.

    I'm surprised that you can't/won't see that..." @ El Lobo

    Because you're incorrect.

    "However, the term republic is not synonymous with the republican form. The republican form is defined as one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627."

    CarmineD