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President Barack Obama shouldn’t waste his “political coin” on losing fights.
Virtually all Americans support getting the country back to work; diversifying the economy; and getting the budget, deficit and debt under control. Mature Americans know we have to act to protect the social safety net. Reasonable Americans will accept that we don’t need hundreds of military bases in nearly 160 foreign nations (and probably fewer than the several thousand here) for security.
Obama promised a strong economy, peace, security, fiscal responsibility, education, health and restoring America’s reputation, and I voted for him and all those things.
He did not promise, and I do not support, undermining the Second Amendment.
Helping the mentally disturbed, better policing and stiffer penalties for all violent criminals are all effective methods. Most gun laws are useless because it is not the lawful use of the most “dangerous” weapons that is the problem.
Criminals already are violating the laws; they aren’t bothered by stealing, smuggling and illegally purchasing the guns they use to break other laws. They also have few qualms about using bombs, poison, drugs, knives and vehicles (the planes on 9/11 killed more people than any mass shooting event ever).
While I agree with most of my fellow citizens who believe that all gun sales — including private sales — should be registered and subject to background checks, I don’t agree with those who are ready to violate the Second and the First amendments, and I don’t believe the House is ready either.
"Helping the mentally disturbed, better policing and stiffer penalties for all violent criminals are all effective methods"
That says it all
60 % of all violent crime in NYC is with a simple hand gun so the new laws will not change anything.
Chicago which has the most controlling gun laws in the Nation has over 500 murders this year
1-19-13 Assemblyman Steven Brooks, a North Las Vegas Democrat, was driving around in his car with a gun, "and he is looking to harm"
1-8-13 California judge delay the trial of One Goh for the murder of 7 people at a Christian College because he has been found mentally ill.
Twice in Dec 2012 in NYC people have been killed by other mentally ill people pushing them in front of subway trains. Hummmm. Mayor Bloomberg said "It's a very tragic case, BUT what we want to focus on today is the overall safety in New York."
12-24-2012 Mass murderer William Spengler killed 2 people with his "hands" and 2 with a single shot rifle and burned down 7 houses.
11-10-2012 mass murderers Monserrate Shirley, Mark Leonard, and Bob Leonard killed next-door neighbors, John Dion Longworth, and second-grade teacher Jennifer Longworth by a gas explosion that destroyed theirs and 32 other homes and put 12 others in hospital.
7-20-12 Chicago Lotto winner Uproot Khan was murder by poison - a lethal dose of cyanide
President Obama has consistently overreached his authority to undermine the US Constitution. Obamacare, unconstitutional appointments to the NLRB, the elimination of welfare to work requirements of the 1996 Welfare Reform Law, appointment of czars to never ending terms, establishing the Consumer Financial Protection Agency and not having it report to Congress, and on an on. President Obama is the 21st Century equivalent to President Roosevelt.
CarmineD
That would be Franklin not Theodore.
CarmineD
Requiring a background check for all gun sales and limiting the ammunition capacity of semi-automatic weapons would seem like common sense actions to take. No one can say how much these steps will help with a degree of certainty but doing nothing has more predicatable consequences.
CarmineD
A better judge of Franklin Roosvelt than you just might be the people who were alive at that time and elected hin President four times.
"CarmineD
A better judge of Franklin Roosvelt than you just might be the people who were alive at that time and elected hin President four times." @ Jim Weber
Or even a better judge, the US Congress, after FDR's 4 unprecedented consecutive elections, passing a Constitutional Amendment to limit presidential terms to a max of 2 consecutive ones.
CarmineD
Let's go for the liberal twofer: ban business profits and gun protection for US citizens.
BTW Jim, et al:
In his second term, many many New Deal Dems broke ranks with FDR over his overreach of Constitutional authority. Obama should take note of this historical event. The same, I repeat, the same will happen in Obama's second term. In fact already has. The Senate Dems did not support the ludicrous scheme to change the super majority rule, [NOT EVEN REID] striking a compromise instead to leave the Senate rules on filibuster intact. Reid and the Senate Dems won't bring the lion's share of the President's gun reforms to a vote this year or next. Why? Reid already said so on national TV upsetting Senator Feinstein and I'm sure President Obama too. There are 20 Dems up for reelection in 2014. Five are pro gun rights with NRA ratings of B+ and/or A. Reid's not going to risk their reelections on gun controls and lose control of the Senate. A middle of the road balance will be struck. It will respect the Second Amendment and keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people like criminals and mentally ill.
BTW, the Senate knocked out the filibuster rule reforms in one day. Talk about Congressional compromise in a hurry. They can do it when politics is the driving force for action. People's business, like the Sandy Relief Bill? That can wait.
CarmineD
FYI on the 22nd Amendment:
Amendment XXII:
"Until 1940, presidents honored the George Washington precedent of serving for only two terms. In that year Franklin Roosevelt defied tradition and won a third term, then later a fourth term. Roosevelt died in office in 1945. Presidential term limits became a huge issue in the 1946 watershed election, and a new generation swept into office, many of them returning soldiers. The new congress was young, idealistic, and committed to change. One of their first priorities was the XXII Amendment, which was ratified by the states in early 1951. Since then, we have had eleven presidents, but so far only four have been restricted from another term by this amendment.
There have been many proposals to reform or revise the XXII Amendment. Congress has repeatedly submitted bills to repeal the amendment, but none has ever made it out of committee. Some have proposed that the restriction be revised to consecutive terms, and others want a super-majority of both houses to have the ability to override the restriction."
We're a republic not a monarchy. Americans fought and won that battle over 236 years ago.
CarmineD
These gun rights "LTTE" threads are getting dumber AND STOOPIDER by the day. Further, the stupidity of some of the authors is only matched by their pathetic, weak minded self righteousness.
The one change the imbecilic gun owners (the idiotic ones, not the sensible gun owners) need to accept is that alongside the changes in the availability of the materials that make some guns virtual machine guns and weapons of mass execution, mental heath care, violence in entertainment, and other modifications, we as a society need to walk into the next Adam Lanza's home and disarm him or her. Before, rather than after they take the cowards way out.
And you've got to endure it
Otherwise Fienstein's bill and Obama's tinkering is just the beginning.
At 79, democratic senator Fienstein is about the same age as Frankenstein. She needs to quit and spend some time with the great grand kids and leave the senate in younger more capable hands like 72 year old Barbara Boxer and 73 year old Harry Reid. Can Fienstein even shoulder a rifle these days?
And Bill Haldeman's area of expertise is??? Constitutional law?
I believe ballot is more powerful than the bullet.
There was no peep from the conservatives when republicans pushed for photo id laws to vote.
Now that we call for photo id's to buy guns, it's a violation of our rights.
Republicans do criminal background checks to purge people from voting roles.
Background checks for gun sales, Oh No, that violates the second amendment.
Voting laws making it harder to vote in minority districts, that's just fine.
People standing in line to vote for 4 to eight hours, that's okay.
Asking someone to wait 15 minutes to buy a gun. That's criminal.
The last time I checked, there has been 13 cases of in person voter fraud since 2000.
More people are murdered each day before noon.
441 people are killed by lightning since 2000 and we had over 47,000 UFO sightings since then.
Which one is the bigger threat to the lives of the people?
Being able to vote or buying a gun.
Heil, Jeff! You have to be kidding or nuts!
brtaylor,
Lets post those who had abortion in the paper like Journal News did with gun owners.
55 million abortions since 1973.
Which one is the bigger threat to life?
Abortion or buying a gun.
Jerry Fink says:
"Heil, Jeff! You have to be kidding or nuts!"
I say:
When someone falls back on the "Hitler analogies" in their argument, it means they have no argument.
If you can't see that Hitler and Lanza had more in common than me and Adolph that is why, even with the dried up caked on blood of those twenty six year olds up to your elbows you are looking to a dead mass murderer from the 1940's to buttress your argument.
Dried, caked on blood, of six year olds.
That's your trade off for keeping a gun under your pillow. I don't want your guns, don't really care if you keep a thousand of them, but if you start getting erratic, and begin to act in an ominous way, I want a peaceful, caring intervention. And to separate you from your guns while you assure society you should be re-armed.
Somewhere inside Adam Lanza he KNEW what he did was wrong. We need to get to the next Lanza before he cracks.
Good points, brtaylor!
Having a bunch of lunatics and paranoids running around with military style weapons and magazines, acting as if they are an "unofficial" army protecting our rights, is not my idea of securing the Constitution.
Voting is the only way we can have a way of speaking the peoples will. It must be the most important right in our system to be protected by our "official" military. It is this military that serves to protect the Constitution by, for, and of the People. Best we work to ensure they keep that in mind, and voting is a way of doing that.
There are some admissions about the citizen's right to guns on the basis of protecting the people from the government. However, there is nothing said about the takeover of the government by the fanatics or getting us into another civil war without a vote of the people through suppression or prevention by the gun owner's.
Somehow, we need to get the gun owner population returned to reasonable, responsible, and stable people. A comprehensive psych evaluation requirement for gun ownership could serve that purpose, and reveal those who need mental health services rather than guns.
There are plenty of people who think they are mentally healthy when they are not. I would like to see them weeded out before they get a gun in their hands.
I would also like to see more laws and enforcement to stop contraband weapons moving to and from the US.
Does O. have anyone who can do math? They want us to adopt 15 million illegals plus their kids so that would be 15 million FEWER JOBS for Americans. They want us to pay for K-12, free health care, housing, LIHEA utilities (given to the families even if illegal so seniors in small households get zip), EBT food stamps for anchor babies and caretakers (illegal moms), non-profit (which are funded by our tax dollars) services / clothing / food banks / health care / housing. They want us to sacrifice our standard of living, our way of life, our otherwise-essential gov. services such as mental health services, and our retirements so we can pay for ILLEGALS. America is a country of LEGAL IMMIGRANTS. How would enforcement on employers of illegals work if you decide everybody can stay? How would statutes prohibiting illegals to posses guns work if you say they can stay? I see waves and waves of more crime for cash. And of course, greatly accelerated UNPAID ER services as there will be no hesitation to run in for every tooth ache. It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL for any STATE TO ISSUE A DRIVERS LICENSE to an illegal since ONLY the federal government can regulate immigration.
Jeff Garner said:
"brtaylor,
Lets post those who had abortion in the paper like Journal News did with gun owners.
55 million abortions since 1973.
Which one is the bigger threat to life?
Abortion or buying a gun."
I say:
To the woman getting the abortion, my life, or yours?
"In 2008, 12 women died as a result of complications from known legal induced abortion (CDC).
The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - there are 89 guns for every 100 Americans, compared to 6 in England and Wales.
And the murder figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 550 murders per year. In 2011 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms."
Does this answer your question?
Regarding the babies not born, I truly believe they are blissful inhabitants of heaven.
"Does this answer your question? Regarding the babies not born, I truly believe they are blissful inhabitants of heaven" from JeffFromVegas
90,000 estimated abortions already this year. How about 55 million since 1973 due to the liberal policy of abortion. These babies never had a chance to experience a parent's love, hugs or kisses.
Here is your abortion clock.
Jeff, I've never seen someone put such a positive spin on the killing of babies via abortion like you. Pat yourself on the back son.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/
BoliBlingBling (Jeff Garner)
Abortion is protected by the Fourth Amendment. The right of privacy.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
In both cases, two wrongs don't make a right.
You shouldn't have abortions patients names put in the paper.
You shouldn't have gun owners names put in the paper.
You shouldn't infringe on the rights of people to vote.
If you care about one, you should care about the other.
Bill Haldeman, from Las Vegas, Nevada,
So what is your point?
You made the case for the Obama administration for having background checks and registration. So how is this infringing on the First and Second amendments?
Having background checks on individuals purchasing a firearm does not violate the second amendments.
Having all gun sales registered is not an infringement on a citizens First or Second Amendment rights.
The US government is not trying to take away your right buy guns. The main push is to have accountability on gun sale at gun shows. Anyone can buy a gun at a gun show....anybody with cash. Anybody. We need accountability on gun show transactions.
The majority of gun crimes in the inter cities have no information on where or who purchased the gun. Many times, it is only the shell casings that clues the investigators on what type of gun was used.
Wayne LaPierre is the mouth piece of the NRA. His job is to scare gun owners into thinking the US government is coming to take our guns away. That's his job. The gun manufactures pay Mr. LaPierre to whip-up the extreme, and the weak minded, and the uneducated, to promote gun sales. It works every time. The weak and uneducated run to the gun stores to by a gun they will never need to use on another human being in their lifetime. And some cases, this escalates in the mind of a gun owner that something will happen, so they find ways to place themselves in situations requiring the use of a gun. Such as getting a gun permit. This is legal. It is the law. But some can't wait to use the gun, and carry the a gun, not for protection, but to seize the moment when they can use their gun in situation that requires a trained Law Enforcement officer. Some can even image an interview from the news reporter of being a hero in shooting a suspect in crime situation.
This opens the discussion into the mental capacity of legal and illegal gun owners. And of those who talk and believe the US government is trying to take away our rights to bear arm.
Peacelilly
Thanks for your kind comment.
The civil rights movement was one by protest, not the gun.
People wrongly believe we won our independence because we could bear arms.
We won our freedom because England was involved in what was really the "First World War" at the time. They were fighting a war with France, Spain and Portugal over the sugar trade coming out of the East Indies (India) and Africa.
They couldn't defend their most lucrative resources in Europe, Asia and Africa, while putting the necessary troops in the colonies to put down the rebellion.
This turn of events contributed greatly to us securing our independence. It was cemented due to the War of 1812.
There has never been a case of an armed civilian populous putting down a standing army. That is the reason the Founding Fathers railed against an established standing army in peace time.
To put down slave revolts in the South, and combat foreign aggression; We adopted the Second Amendment to keep a well regulated militia.
@brtaylor,
What evidence do you have to support your comment that the second amendment was enacted to put down slave revolts?
It is known that Mother Jones posited the theory in a 2008 article, and Danny Glover recently made remarks during an appearance at Texas A&M.
Are you repeat the information, or have you done research of your own?
brtaylor: "I believe ballot is more powerful than the bullet.
There was no peep from the conservatives when republicans pushed for photo id laws to vote.
Now that we call for photo ID to buy guns, "it's a violation of our rights."
***
There is no there there. The entire rightwing agenda is built around lies, contradictions and hypocrisy, far too many to list here.
On Planet GOP, up is down and down is up. But sometimes up and down are also sideways or even diagonal if the next election is within six months.
Renown flip-flopper and losing candidate Etch a Sketch Romney is the perfect example. He was for something before he was against it, but only until he was for it again.
Confused by the BS? Me too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/27...
whether Obama is wasting his political coin or not depends on where you live. Some parts of this country are more violent than Iraq and Afghanistan. A mother losing four young children in separate violent incidents is outrageous.
Doesn't citzens united undermine the first admendment ? The patriot act the fourth ? Funny how the gun nuts are willing to trade security for privacy .
Comment removed by moderator. Name Calling
Jeff Garner tries to foist peoples abortions on other people:
""Does this answer your question? Regarding the babies not born, I truly believe they are blissful inhabitants of heaven" from JeffFromVegas
90,000 estimated abortions already this year. How about 55 million since 1973 due to the liberal policy of abortion. These babies never had a chance to experience a parent's love, hugs or kisses.
Here is your abortion clock.
Jeff, I've never seen someone put such a positive spin on the killing of babies via abortion like you. Pat yourself on the back son.
http://www.numberofabortions.com/"
I say:
Dude, I never had an abortion, you can keep your clock. Those aborted babies have had a love greater than any love you and I will not know until we ascend into heaven, or don't you believe and trust in a just God?
Keep YOUR abortion clock. I would rename it the "Early entrants to Heaven" clock.
If abortion is the sin you predict, God will sort it out, not you.
Comment removed by moderator. Personal Attack
Longtimevegan
I have done the research on my on.
Check all the other statements I have made over the years for yourself and determine if I just parrot stuff.
Do like Timothy 2 Chapter 2 verse 15 says:
Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Sound words that have guided me through my life.
CarmineD: "President Obama has consistently overreached his authority to undermine the US Constitution"
Wrong! Obamacare is fine according to those who decide these things, SCOTUS. Obama did not eliminate any welfare to work requirements. He gave the Republicans governors the flexibility they asked for. Are Obama's czars appointed to longer terms than Bush's? You need to open your mind and let the conservative propaganda out. Then you might have room for the Moderate FACTS to enter.
Jeff Garner retweets his objection to abortion.
Nobody is pushing you to have an abortion. Abortion means less liberals. If there were 55 million more liberals in the country, the Democrats would have overwhelming majorities in the both houses of Congress which would be bad. And stay on topic.
KillerB: "Longtimevegan -- maybe not technically, but it chills those protected liberties" "peacelily -- then you know nothing about either the Constitution or the Second Amendment"
Thank God we have an arbiter who knows it all. If it doesn't contravene the Constitution technically, then it doesn't contravene the Constitution at all. As all lawyers know, what laypeople call Technicalities are in actuality the law. If the law fails to prevent some circumstance, that circumstance is legal.
"Law-abiding citizens ought to be allowed to protect their families. We ought to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them. That's why I'm for instant background checks at gun shows. I'm for trigger locks. I think we ought to raise the age at which juveniles can have a gun. I also believe that the best way to make sure that we keep our society safe is to hold people accountable for breaking the law. If we catch somebody illegally selling a gun, there needs to be a consequence. The federal government can help." George W. Bush
U.R. Knutts
Mr. Haldeman said: "Most gun laws are useless because it is not the lawful use of the most "dangerous" weapons that is the problem. Criminals already are violating the laws..."
Agreed. And we both agree that we need background checks on every buyer. We also need a federal agency (ATF seems logical) to track gun sales, something the Republican-controlled Congress and President prevented in 2006. Legal buyers are purchasing guns and then selling or giving them to people who could not buy a gun on their own. No law-abiding citizen is buying 20 or 100 guns a month for their own use.
The buyer "was acting as a gun straw buyer for her husband, who is a convicted felon" http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-03...
Six cops shot in two years by guns purchased legally at one store. http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/13411...
"Davila admitted to being a straw buyer for the ring and claiming that about 12 guns he bought were for him when he was actually making the purchases on behalf of the ring" http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_pho...
I believe Republicans should agree to background checks on all sales while blocking magazine restrictions or limiting magazines to 30 rounds or less as a fallback.
Recently there has been a lot of talk/spin about the 2nd Amendment and how it might not be applicable in todays modern world and how modern weapons should not be allowed in the hands of Americans any longer.
The 2nd Amendment is NOT what gives Americans the right to own guns, they already have the absolute right of self protection, it's an inalienable right that comes from god! The 2nd Amendment was put in place to insure that are government can never interfere with, or take away this right, hence the use of the very broad term "shall not infringe" Almost any attempt by the government to tamper with this god given right is an infringement and therefore illegal!
The 2nd amendment was included in our Constitution for the specific reason of guaranteeing the citizens inalienable right of self protection from ALL threats, including the tyranny of a government gone out of control, our founders had just experience this and wanted to insure that it could never happen again, they put no "sunset" on the 2nd amendment and intended it to protect Americans for ever! Anyone that thinks we are under less threat of tyranny now that in 1776 or what Americans could face 1000 years from now is simply living in a dream world! There are and will always be tyrants is this world, and to think that one could never surface in American is very naive! To say that these Americans of the future, and today should only be able to own weapons from the 1700's or be limited to only the guns a government approves is ridiculous! Or to say that the 2nd amendment only applies to members of a state militia is also ridiculous! "The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age ...."
Every American has a duty to protect this most precious amendment, as it protects all of our other rights that our Constitution protects for us, and for all future generations for 1000's of years to come, if we fail them, they will not be free! And this tragedy will be on our backs for all eternity! Do not allow this most precious right to be tampered with! Join the NRA, call your congress people, tell them you will not tolerate any infringements on this god given right of self defense against all threats!
Just as 9/11 served as a wake-up call for fighting terrorism, the Newtown slaughter of first-graders in their classroom has woken a sleeping giant, many of them mothers. Even a wounded Gabrielle Giffords, another victim of a nation drowning in deadly firearms, has joined the cause.
The mass gun murder madness has to end if we are to call ourselves a modern, civilized society.
Paranoid schizophrenics such as Wayne LaPierre should not be charged with making public policy.
@tomfranklin,
Are your trying spreading fear and misinformation.
Really? Join the NRA? Please! Don't confuse Patriotism with gun sales when you tie the NRA to our freedoms.
Wayne LaPierre and the NRA are the mouth piece for the gun manufactures. The America People are not stupid my friends. The people who try and scare the America People with the crazy talk we hear from the NRA leadership, are a bit crazy and easily mislead. That goes for the people who spread the fear and the people respond to the fear. Like running out to buy a gun because the NRA and Wayne LaPierre told you to do. That is being stupid, being ignorant, being uneducated.
America History tells us a different story of freedom and the Second Amendment. Spreading fear to increase gun sales is getting old.
The majority of legal Americans already have guns. The majority of Americans are not part of the NRA. The majority of Americans...and Americans who know American History, are not moved by the crazy talk of the NRA and Wayne LaPierre, and those who talk of the US government taking our gun.
My friend, read your history. If you are an American living in America, or a visitor who has made America your home, there is no excuse for ignorance.
This country is replete with information. There is no excuse for ignorance!
If a person calls this being naive, their wrong! This is what responsible American do, responsible gun owners do. We stay prepared. We are not members of the NRA. We do not need the NRA's permission to stay prepared, or to protect our homes, or our country.
The NRA does not speak for America!
Take your fear and your hatred to another country!
Thanks brtaylor,
My request was not a challenge, but a request for more information.
The Bible is the ultimate calling card. Removes all barriers, open all eyes and ears... opened or closed.
There is talk about the Second Amendment being passed in order to control the slave population. Even though this sound like it make sense, or one can connect the dots to rationalize this theory, this is far the true. Events, and the People involved tell another story.
So when one hears this in the media, or online, one has to do the research to get the facts. History tells us the second amendment was not passed to control slavery. Many disagree, but the information tells us different.
Did the talk of slavery come into play, was it a backroom topic, or did special interest (the slave owners) have a say? You bet they did. However, the second amendment was not drafted or passed to control the slavery, or the slave trade. One would say these are the words of a naive or misinformed person. History tells this different.
Like all truths, one must be an active participant to know what really happened.
On an expanded note, the second amendment was use by others to arm those who before the passage of the second amendment, could not own a firearm.
Comment removed by moderator. Attack on religious beliefs.
Religious beliefs?
Carmine said:
"We're a republic not a monarchy. Americans fought and won that battle over 236 years ago."
Actually Carmine, we're a "constitutional democratic republic."
The Founders created a republican form of government but we have added many democratic features to that government over the last 225+ years...
Those changes have allow a larger and larger portion of the American people to exercise and enjoy the same freedoms that other Americans have enjoyed.....
Giving blacks their freedom and their right to vote; making Native Americans citizens; and giving woman the right to vote have all been huge advancements that the Founders didn't write into the original Constitution but are now part of this great country.
An argument can be made that Obama is simply doing what many other strong presidents have done over the last 160+ years....he has used his powers with in the Constitution and his influence as the Chief Executive to become an "Imperial President."
That's exactly what Abe Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and Franklin Roosevelt did as president...
Historians consider Abe, Teddy & Franklin to have been "Imperial Presidents."
Their actions weren't always popular among some Americans but history points out that their actions almost always moved this country forward...
In other words, they did the right thing at the right time...
Look for Obama to go down in history as one of our truly outstanding presidents.
Outstanding at what El lobo? At killing our economy and minuscule job growth?
The majority of Americans want new gun regulations
and a new ban on assault rifles.
The majority has spoken.
If we still have a Democracy, it will be done.
The NRA doesn't run this country and republicans
don't run this country.
The majority of Americans put PRESIDENT OBAMA
IN CHARGE.
He has proven to be the best President and best
leader in modern times.
We are lucky to have him.
El_Lobo.......
Great comment.
Carmine can't stop crying about our great
PRESIDENT OBAMA.
I am enjoying every second of his presidency.
FOUR MORE GREAT YEARS!
And PRESIDENT OBAMA is a Constitutional
Professor, for Christ's sake.
B-B brained republicans don't have a clue.
A ban on assault rifles IS Constitutional.
If Congress doesn't have the integrity to
re-establish the assault rifle ban, PRESIDENT
OBAMA may have to step in and do it himself.
The majority of Americans want it done.
"Wrong! Obamacare is fine according to those who decide these things, SCOTUS." U R Knutts
Check again. Preemies still have parts of Obamacare under their purview for review and decision.
CarmineD
"Actually Carmine, we're a "constitutional democratic republic." El Lobo
As usual you use 3 words where one would do. I'll give you "Constitutional Republic." Democratic is redundant.
CarmineD
"If Congress doesn't have the integrity to
re-establish the assault rifle ban, PRESIDENT
OBAMA may have to step in and do it himself." @ Teamster
Congress won't starting with Reid and the Senate. Reid already said so. 20 dems in the Senate are up for reelection in 2014. Five have a B+ or A rating from the NRA. Do you really think Ried will risk their reelection and lsoe control of the Senate over gun rights. Think again.
If you recall I said Obama should use Executive action to extend the Federal assault weapons ban. The courts will then review it and strike it down. In the meantime, the ban is in effect.
NLRB? What happened? If you recall Teamster I said here that Obama's recess appointments on January 3 were null and void. I think I used those words exactly if you go back and check. Senate was in session. Obama, a Constitutional expert as you say above, overrode Senate advise and consent. And the Appelate Court in DC struck him down. Over 200 decisions by the NLRB are null and void. Pretty good Constitutional expert Obama is. Yeah, right!
CarmineD
PS Teamster:
Forgot to mention, all those decisions by the NLRB are pro-union. ;-)
You and union fans are having a tough year. As a former Chief Steward for AFSCME, I feel your pain.
CarmineD
Who needs to attack religion when it does the job quite nicely on it's own?
Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Well, I posed the question if JeffFromVegas was kidding or nuts and he answered it clearly in his additional ludicrous rants. It's obvious he has no understanding of the Constitution of the United States of America and the protections it affords even those with malodorous ideas such as his. Breaking down the doors of private citizens without cause was a totalitarian concept practiced by the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and other tyrants! While the odious practice continues in many parts of the world, it's simply not something sane American citizens would propose.
Roslenda: No immigrants means a $15.00 head of lettuce in your future, or maybe no lettuce as Americans aren't going to harvest it.
Let's get those illegals out of the shadows, paying taxes, and contributing to our society.
Carmine said:
"As usual you use 3 words where one would do. I'll give you "Constitutional Republic." Democratic is redundant."
Sorry little buddy but you don't get it. First of all, a republican form of government may or may not have democracy as its core...
Its possible to call yourself a republic but have very little wide spread democratic features in that government.
The government of China, for example, (Peoples Republic of China) is a far cry from what can correctly be called a democracy.
All three words are needed (Constitutional Democratic Republic) to accurately describe our form of government.
How hard is that to understand? Oop's I keep forgetting, who I'm talking to....
MooTheCow....
The last time I looked, a MAJORITY of the American people believe that Obama is doing an outstanding job as president....
When it comes to the economy & job growth, it's quite evident that both are improving.
The American people have so much faith & trust in Obama that they re-elected him despite the fact that the unemployment rate was around 8%.
That says a lot about the confidence they have in him.....
It also says that the voters believe that the economy is on the right track....
Of course, the GOP offers nothing of substance or truth to the American voter.
Many million and millions of voters could clearly see that the problems with the economy had more to do with the failure of the Republicans to work with Obama than anything the Democrats were doing....
MooTheCow......a word of advice! Get out of that bubble that you're living in....
"The government of China, for example, (Peoples Republic of China) is a far cry from what can correctly be called a democracy." @ El Lobo
Who here was posting about China. I posted about the foundations of the USA and the origin of the 2nd Amendment: Sons of Freedom.
CarmineD
Hmmmmm.....nothing new coming from my little buddy Carmine. He continues to live in a bubble and continues to believe many, many things that are simply not true...
My argument with you was about the fact that we NOW have a "Constitutional Democratic Republic." We started with a republican form of government but it has changed over the last 200+ years.
I'm surprised that you can't/won't see that...
I pointed out to you that the term republic may or may not involve the use of wide spread democracy for its citizens...
I used the People's Republic of China as an example of that....
I guess that bit of information went flying bye you at 100 mph. Just too much for an old, out of touch right-winger such as you to understand.
Oop's, I'm sorry. You're an "independent," right? At least that's what you claim.....
"I used the People's Republic of China as an example of that...." @ El Lobo
An example of what? China was never part of the discussion here on this thread. The US is.
CarmineD
FYI El Lobo:
"A distinct set of definitions for the word 'republic' evolved in the United States. In common parlance a republic is a state that does not practice direct democracy but rather has a government indirectly controlled by the people. This understanding of the term was originally developed by James Madison, and notably employed in Federalist Paper No. 10. This meaning was widely adopted early in the history of the United States, including in Noah Webster's dictionary of 1828."
CarmineD
"We started with a republican form of government but it has changed over the last 200+ years.
I'm surprised that you can't/won't see that..." @ El Lobo
Because you're incorrect.
"However, the term republic is not synonymous with the republican form. The republican form is defined as one in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated. In re Duncan, 139 U.S. 449, 11 S.Ct. 573, 35 L.Ed. 219; Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. (21 Wall.) 162, 22 L.Ed. 627."
CarmineD
Carmine....
Link please! Thanks in advance!
Also, what I said on an earlier post about how we started as a republic but over the years have become a "constitutional democratic republic" is correct!
Anyone who doesn't see that is either living in a bubble or their grasp of history falls way short of competence....
In 1787 only about 20% (at best) of the people in the US could vote or hold public office.....
Contrary to what many people believe, the Founders greatly limited participation in government. Alexander Hamilton spoke out against giving the vote to the masses.
In 1787, woman could not vote or hold office....slaves could not vote or hold office.... non land owners or anyone who was not a citizen could not vote or hold office & Native Americans were not citizens and had no role, what so ever, in the political process....
Yet, by definition, that was a republican form of government.....
That has greatly changed and a result, we now have a "constitutional democratic republic."
It's not hard to see where you're trying to go with your brain-dead argument. Most right-wingers want the right to vote & the right to participate in the political process greatly limited.....
The ever growing minority population in this country is a very fearful thing for most right-wingers....In short, it scares the conservatives to death!
Of course, few minorities voted Republican in this last election. The GOP will NEVER regain the White House as long as they continue to do nothing to attract the minority vote....
The GOP also lost much of the female vote in this last election due to their extreme views about woman......
Carmine, I actually feel sorry for you. You simply don't get it & you're living in denial....
Look for the Democrats to win back the House and keep control of the Senate in 2014. They will also keep control of the White House come 2016...
What happened to the Federalist Party in the early history of this country is exactly what's going to happen to the GOP if they don't wake-up and accept change...
Of course, the tea party wing of the GOP will fight any and all change with in the party. They will continue to shoot themselves in the foot!
El_Lobo says: The last time I looked, a MAJORITY of the American people believe that Obama is doing an outstanding job as president....
When it comes to the economy & job growth, it's quite evident that both are improving.
I say $16 plus trillion in debt and un-employment (including those that arent on the radar) at 15% plus.
Yep in El's world thats doing a great job. LOL
Hey chuckie...
Apparently you don't believe polls unless they say what you already believe to be true....
Is that right?
How in the world did Obama get re-elected by a clear majority of both the popular vote and the electoral vote if the America people did not believe that he is doing an outstanding job and also believe that the economy is also improving?
Of course, the $16 trillion debt that my little buddy chuckie is talking about didn't just happen on Obama's watch....
In other words, we didn't get in our current situation just in the last four years....
Take the last three Republican president's, Reagan, Bush & Bush as an example.
All three NEVER produced a balanced budget at any time & all three borrowed like "drunken sailors on leave."
The last Republican president, "clueless George" started two wars in the Middle East & NEVER included the cost of those wars in his budget...
chuckie reminds me of a few other right-wingers who post on this board. chuckie lives in a bubble and gets his daily news by tuning into FIXED NEWS.....