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Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts is qualified to be secretary of state. As President Barack Obama said in nominating Kerry: “He is not going to need a lot of on-the-job training.” But, before appointment, there must be an orderly transition from Secretary Hillary Clinton to Kerry. A government report holds top-level state department officials liable for the tragedy of Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012. The report has to be addressed first and those responsible held accountable, and not by shuffling desks around.

The government’s report indicates ongoing and systemic mistakes at the State Department. It happened on Clinton’s watch. She’s responsible, according to her own words on the matter.

Kerry will undoubtedly be confirmed. His political star is rising while Clinton’s is falling. Clinton must face congressional hearings on Benghazi before Kerry can take over at the State Department. She was admitted to a hospital for treatment of a brain clot, delaying the inevitable yet again. Her appearance will be a prime-time political event, perhaps more widely watched and followed than anything in the news in 2012 and even the presidential inauguration.

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  1. Hillary did a decent job as secretary of state however, flying around the globe, old age and health issues happen to us all eventually. Rest up Hillary, get healthy and enjoy the sunsets.

  2. Letter is correct.Clinton must testify as to what went wrong and those who were responsible should be terminated.The Obama administration has consistently tried to play its role down in this nightmarish tragedy to no avail thanks to the tireless investigations that are on going.

  3. The elephant in the room is the failure of the GOP controlled HR to adequately fund Security operations at our embassies and consulates worldwide, not just in Libya.

    The incident in Benghazi pales in comparison with the atrocities of the two unfunded wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama gave GWB and his cabal a pass when elected in 2008. The GOP and FAUX news have made this Benghazi molehill into a mountain; nothing more, nothing less.

  4. @Future:
    You're full of crap. I guess you are one of those in the minority who think her blood clot was all a "conspiracy".

    Clinton is scheduled to testify re Benghazi in the middle of January. And she is going to do so. She is NOT brain damaged, as you imply. However, she has stated multiple times in the recent past, she has NO DESIRE to run for president nor even stay in politics. She said she has done her time in the political arena and now she wants to relax and have a life. This recent VERY SERIOUS medical episode most likely made that decision a lot easier for her.

  5. Carmine, Carmine, Carmine. Clinton IS going to testify re Benghazi. She is not trying to "hide" from it. Because of her very serious medical issue, the transition from her to Kerry may be put off a little while, but will happen regardless if it is before or after Clinton's Benghazi testimony.

    And your comment on Clinton's political star is falling - as I posted to that Genius Future - she has no desire to run for president nor even remain in politics and has said so several times. She has done her time.

  6. "It happened on Clinton's watch. She's responsible, according to her own words on the matter."

    OK. She accepted responsibility and accepted all the recommendations in the government report. Four State Department officials have resigned. What are you asking for other than an excuse to have a yakking point?

  7. Det__Munch,

    Don't waste your time trying to educate some of these people. They've gone so far over the edge of reason and sanity that truth and reality has become surreal.

  8. I just have to shake my head at all the comments. Some want Clinton's head on a platter. Some want to completely exonerate her.

    The die is caste, as it almost always is. High level folks, rarely, if ever, take the fall when errors are made, no matter what their culpability is. That will likely be the case here.

    It seems obvious that security was lacking at the embassy. Clinton probably was at too high a level to be dealing with that issue.

    To me, what Americans should care about is understanding how and why a decision was taken to not send immediate help to the people left fighting for their lives after the Ambassador and the others were probably dead.

    IF the reasons for the lackluster security and the hesitance to send help revolved around a political desire to 'play up' the success of the Administrations polices, then what happened was a travesty. If not, it is just a tragedy.

    We will never get those answers, just like we will never have all the answers as to what (internally in the Bush White House) led up to the Iraq invasion. We will all be left to draw our own conclusions based on incomplete data.

    As most Americans do, we will draw our conclusions based on what side we like and promptly grab anything that supports our conclusion and dismiss anything that doesn't.

    And life goes on...

    Michael

  9. "Four State Department officials have resigned." @ Weber

    False. Not resigned. RE-assigned/on administrative leave. Administrative leave is a paid vacation at taxpayers' expense that doesn't count toward their leave time.

    CarmineD

  10. BChap:

    Soldiers work for the military services under the umbrella of the Defense Department. Foreign officers and diplomats, like Stevens and his staff, work for the State Department. I opine, BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF TWO SEPARATE GOVERNMENT REPORTS ON BENGHAZI, both Departments THE STATE and DEFENSE, AS WELL AS THE PRESIDENT WHO IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE, are responsible. Getting Hillary to testify, since she said she accepts repsonsibility, is a start.

    CarmineD

  11. "Hannity's ratings are way down because people do not care about the Bengazi crap (even Romney did not use the isssue)." @ mred

    The fact Romney didn't, which I still don't understand, is reason in part he lost the election. He should have AND called out the commentator and debate moderator for being wrong on the President and his stand on Benghazi. It was a defining moment in politics and the debates. Romney didn't. And for the life of me and others, we don't know why. I chalk it up to Romney being too nice to be a politician.

    CarmineD

  12. FUTURE AND CHUCK333: I wish you were both trusted posters so your comments would be here to stay.

    You will miss the pleasure of calling these others out with your posts after Hillary testifies IF AND WHEN SHE DOES. As of yet, there is no definitive time set. She has made a career of acting like a martyr. Not being a martyr.

    CarmineD

  13. "Clinton is scheduled to testify re Benghazi in the middle of January." Det--Munch

    False. No time has been set yet. Hillary has done a better job of ducking and dodging hearings than mob boss Joe Bonanno.

    CarmineD

  14. The excuse that the House did not authorize enough for security is a lame position.
    There is always a presumption that the life and safety of personnel has a prior lein on budgets. There was no legitimate reason for failing to send in military assets to protect our personnel when the request was made,or for the misleading explanations and lies that ensued as to the facts in this tragedy. It has already been established
    that there were systemic failures by the state department that led to these deaths.
    Those responsible must be terminated .Clinton should furnish a complete testimony that uncovers what the raw facts are and what the administration plans to do.

  15. "It seems obvious that security was lacking at the embassy. Clinton probably was at too high a level to be dealing with that issue." @ Casler

    That's an opinion on your part and ONE of the reasons she needs to testify so if it is true it is introduced into evidence as a fact.

    CarmineD

  16. Hanging around in Congress for years does not make one qualified to be Secretary of State. It's simply a political appointment plum.

    Clinton's senior staff (and her husband) are searching for ways to keep her from testifying. If they fail, her testimony will be lackluster as in "I did not have sex with Monica..." Let's now get out our dictionaries and look up the word "sex."

  17. Carmine,

    "Hillary has done a better job of ducking the and dodging hearings than mob boss Joe Bonanno".

    The New York-Presbyterian Hospital where Hillary Clinton was treated for a blood clot in her brain.Would not engage in any illegal activities.Such as making false medical claims on her condition so she could avoid testifing about Benghazi.She was not dodging or ducking anything.She was just plain sick with a blood clot in her brain.

  18. A lot of today's commenters remind me of a guy I worked with long ago. He said "I've only made two mistakes in my life. The second one was admitting the first one."

  19. "Kerry will undoubtedly be confirmed. His political star is rising while Clinton's is falling."

    Enjoyed the letter, but you are only pursuing an all out party politics attack. The same things being pursued on Fox PORNO (Political Organization-Republican News Only) News have been stated exactly the same as in this letter.

    As a correction, Ms. Hillary Clinton's star is NOT falling. Not at all.

    She has served all her life in politics with distinction and admirably. She has nothing to be ashamed of.

    The whole crux of the matter with these types of attacks on her is that the paranoid Tea/Republican Party, on every level, fears Ms. Hillary Clinton. They know she is in fact a rising star, and could actually run for President of the United States of America in 2016. So, the decision was made to go full bore and attack her on every level they can. And do it right now.

    So, as pertains to the Benghazi tragedy, all of the ludicrous and false attacks on Susan Rice are over with.

    And the Tea/Republican Party hierarchy feels that it was successful to axe her as a nominee for Secretary of State, they are now emboldened.

    They are now carrying this same line of attack at Ms. Hillary Clinton.

    Good luck with that, Tea/Republicans. The simple fact of the matter is that you have no message that is palatable to the American voters out here...except to just attack.

    As other commenters have said, it is indeed a sad day for America, a tragedy that four people died in that Embassy Annex.

    But it is basically a despicable crime for the rabid frothing at the mouth ultra-conservative way out there right wingers to continually use it as a line of attack. It is so over the top now that what actually occurred has been muddied with false rhetoric, it is basically not helping the investigation at all.

    But anyways, the line of attack by the righties will continue without let up. It is getting so ridiculous now that Fox PORNO News is probably looking for a guy by the name of Mr. Ben Gozzy to get into the studio for an interview....so they can yell at him.

  20. Ironic that the right wing-nuts are all afroth with righteous indignation over the Benghazi incidents but rodent-like in their demand for accountability in the Newton massacre. But that is the right for you, annoying pustules on the buttocks of history.

  21. I said it when Ambassador Susan Rice was talking nonsense. Hillary's silence speaks volumes. Still does. And she says she's accountable? Nice story line but where was the TIMELY resignation. Would have changed the election results--as would several other things delayed and denied by O. Now we've got him and he just keeps spending and says he won't even talk about it. Let's pray that Congress develops some backbone and refuses to lift the debt limit UNTIL there are substantial spending cuts in discretionary programs.

  22. Sam:

    Hillary gets excused from testifying in December for her medical emergencies. What were her reasons in September, October and November?

    Recall when Dick Cheney got a heart transplant the mainstream media and liberal late night laugh shows had a feast day roasting and ribbing his medical emergency. Did you and others here forget so soon?

    CarmineD

  23. "Carmine loves shouting "Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!!!" I from the roof tops. " Jeff

    You more than others here should know that on September 12, 2012 and since when President Obama and his Administration were pushing the video as the blame for Benghazi, I said IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK by Al Qaida. Did you forget?

    CarmineD

  24. "It should be noted that Secretary Clinton's approval numbers are higher than ANY republican politician's approval numbers. Period. Perhaps the rest of the country doesn't wear the same tin foil hat that @CarmineD does?" @ Motorsports

    Perhaps the reason for her ratings is because they do [wear tin foil hats].

    CarmineD

  25. "What else is new?" BChap

    2013 not 2012. And Skins are in the post season playoffs.

    CarmineD

  26. "She has served all her life in politics with distinction and admirably. She has nothing to be ashamed of."

    "So, as pertains to the Benghazi tragedy, all of the ludicrous and false attacks on Susan Rice are over with." Colin from LV

    First of all, I wrote and the Sun printed an article in which I supported Susan Rice for Secretary of State. And I still do. Sad that President Obama accepted her willingness to be withdrawn from consideration.

    WRT Clinton's tenure as Secretary, it's been abysmal. We are looking at a world order collapse on the magnitude of the 30's and 40's. Syria, Iran, and North Korea are defying the world leaders without being held accountable for their actions. Thank Hillary and her boss, President Obama.

    The rogue nations then were Germany, Japan and Russia. It resulted in WW2. Consider what might be the results of Syria, Iran and North Korea. Then ask yourself why anyone would want the job that Hillary failed go galactically at performing?

    CarmineD

  27. Carmine,

    "Hillary gets excused from testifying in Dec,for the medical emergencies.What were her reasons in Sept,Oct,and Nov".

    Hillary was excused from testifying in Dec.after falling down from fainting and hitting her head and developing a blood clot in her brain.She sent two aides in her place. She is scheduled to apppear before the Senate foreign relations committee and answer questions about the tragic events that happened in Benghazi Libya.

    If you have evidence that the New York Presbyterian Hospital had a hand in doing something illegal,you should step forward with your evidence. I don't believe anyone thinks that the hospital did anything illegal.

  28. "She is scheduled to apppear before the Senate foreign relations" @ Sam

    She is not scheduled to testify as yet. No date has been set.

    CarmineD

  29. When you have built your reputation on lies and deception is a really long road back.
    Chelsea was jogging around the Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. (She was in bed watching it on TV.)
    Hillary was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. (She admitted she was wrong. He climbed Mt. Everest five years after her birth.)
    She was under sniper fire in Bosnia. (A girl presented her with flowers at the foot of the ramp.)
    She learned in The Wall Street Journal how to make a killing in the futures market. (It didn't cover the market back then.)
    She didn't know about the FALN pardons.
    She didn't know that her brothers were being paid to get pardons that Clinton granted.
    Taking the White House gifts was a clerical error.
    She didn't know that her staff would fire the travel office staff after she told them to do so. She didn't know that the Peter Paul fundraiser in Hollywood in 2000 cost $700,000 more than she reported it had.
    She opposed NAFTA at the time.
    She was instrumental in the Irish peace process.
    She urged Bill to intervene in Rwanda.
    She played a role in the '90s economic recovery.
    The billing records showed up on their own.
    She thought Bill was innocent when the Monica scandal broke.
    She was always a Yankees fan.
    She had nothing to do with the New Square Hasidic pardons (after they voted for her 1,400-12 and she attended a meeting at the White House about the pardons).
    She negotiated for the release of refugees in Macedonia (who were released the day before she got there).
    WHITEWATER

  30. Hillary/Whitewater; forever entwined, even though many have dismissed her days at the Rose Law Firm. She, like "Sick" Willie, has always been an opportunist and now Osama Obama nominates an even bigger opportunist in the form of John Kerry. He of "Swift Boat" fame with his penchant for marrying rich women, dumping them and then marrying an even richer woman. Kerry is as cold-blooded a creature as any reptile that crawls through the muck & slime on this planet. I'm quite sure under those $2,000 suits, $300 shirts and $100 ties, his body is covered in scales rather than skin.

  31. Benghazi is a pathetic and utterly tranparent attempt by the GOP to manufacture a scandle. Turn off the Faux News for a few minutes and you'll see that the rest of the world has moved on.

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  33. "a) Benghazi -- four killed.

    b) Newtown -- twenty-six killed, including twenty small children.

    c) Iraq invasion/occupation -- 4,487 US soldiers killed, 32,223 seriously wounded." @ Last Throes

    Of the 3 news worthy issues, which has gotten the least [if any coverage at all] by the mainstream media?

    CarmineD

  34. Well, if Hillary Clinton does decide to un-retire and run for office in 2016, we can all look forward to her attempt to talk "southern" again while giving a speech to southern democrats during her campaign:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuv...

  35. "Benghazi is a pathetic and utterly tranparent attempt by the GOP to manufacture a scandle. " @ Elmthree

    TWO GOVERNMENT reports, both scathing as government reports go, place the blame for Benghazi at the highest levels of the State and Defense Departments. What part of "manufacture a scandal" does the Government play in their reports?

    CarmineD

  36. "DeFazio You sound as illinformed and quite possibly corrupt as your right wing hate and fear boasting friends McCain and Issa." @ Homer

    As Washington politicians go, these two are my least favorite. I admire McCain for his war record. I loathe his politics. Issa in my opinion epitomizes all the things that are wrong with the House GOP.

    CarmineD

  37. "Doesn't the rightwing mob ever tire of their torch 'n pitchfork parade?" @ LastThroes

    How would you feel if the 4 American heroes who were murdered in Benghazi were your friends/family?

    CarmineD

  38. Carmine,

    You said, "of the 3 news worthy issues (below), which has gotten the least [if any coverage at all] by the mainstream media ?"

    "a) Benghazi -- four killed.

    b) Newtown -- twenty-six killed, including twenty small children.

    c) Iraq invasion/occupation -- 4,487 US soldiers killed, 32,223 seriously wounded." @ Last Throes

    --------------

    OK, I am going to answer your question. It's (A) Benghazi.

    Do you really believe that the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi, tragic though it may be, deserves MORE attention than the deaths of 4487 Americans in Iraq, one of the longest wars in our nation's history ? Is that what you are so outraged about ? Is that what you are saying ?

    The reason that the Newtown tragedy has gotten so much attention is because of two reasons. First, the age of the victims, and the heroic attempts by adults to save them. Secondly, it speaks to the larger issue of gun control in our country, and our interpretation of the second amendment in particular.

    In my opinion, rather than getting too much attention, the Iraq War did not get enough attention, especially before we invaded. Perhaps if the "main stream" media had done it's job, and done some serious investigative reporting, and if we had a serious debate in our country before the invasion, 4487 American soldiers would be alive today.

  39. "OK, I am going to answer your question. It's (A) Benghazi." @ Marty Stark

    Correct answer.

    CarmineD

  40. "All it takes today to be a hero is to be killed Carmine?" @ antigov

    Yes especially when you give your live for others.

    CarmineD

  41. Carmine,

    I answered your question. I'm still waiting for you to answer mine.

    Marty Stark

  42. "The Benghazi coverage by Fox News was their last ditch effort to keep Obama from being re-elected." @antigov

    Wrong. It was to do what the news media should do and hopefully receive a pulitzer for doing it the best.

    CarmineD

  43. "Carmine,

    I answered your question. I'm still waiting for you to answer mine.

    Marty Stark"

    Write a letter to the Sun about your post, and if it's printed, I happily will.

    CarmineD

  44. :"Carmine,

    I answered your question. I'm still waiting for you to answer mine.

    Marty Stark"

    Write a letter to the Sun about your post, and if it's printed, I happily will.

    CarmineD"

    What a copout....

  45. "What a copout...." @ patrick collins

    Have you taken the time and trouble to write a letter to the Sun and have it published and then respond to the commenters? If not, I suggest you do first before you pass judgment on those who have.

    CarmineD

  46. I have a relative that sends me Email from the radical right. Between that and Fox News it is unbelievable the amount of missinformation is out there. Carmine needs to get his information from more than those sources, as do all the radical right. This is said with an understanding that you need to get information from reputable sources. Bill Clinton said he likes to read both conservative and liberal papers thoroughly to get the best perspective. This is good advice.

  47. I might add that it is an advantage in Las Vegas to have both the Review Journal and the Sun available to us. When they disagree you can always investigate further, but when the agree it is a good check and balance. Many cities do not have this benefit. Although I have found the Sun's Editorial tend to check out correct more often thant the Review Journal's.

  48. "When is the Congressional Report coming out on the 1983 Beirut Bombing coming out? 299 died! " @ rckisok

    "The 1983 report of the U.S. Department of Defense Commission's on the attack recommended that the National Security Council re-examines alternative ways to reach "American objectives in Lebanon" because, "as progress to diplomatic solutions slows," the security of the USMNF base continues to "deteriorate." The commission also recommended a review for the development of a broader range of "appropriate military, political, and diplomatic responses to terrorism." Military preparedness needed improvement in the development of "doctrine, planning, organization, force structure, education, and training" to better combat terrorism, while the USMNF was "not prepared" to deal with the terrorist threat at the time due to "lack of training, staff, organization, and support" specifically for defending against "terror threats."

    The Beirut Barracks had multi national occupants. The Consulate in Beghazi is US territory. The 299 deaths included French soldiers. The attack on Benghazi on September 11, was 9-11. US troops around the globe were supposed to be on high alert.

    CarmineD

  49. "Carmine needs to get his information from more than those sources, as do all the radical right." @ Don Peters

    Thank you for the advice but I already do. I prefer the Sun to the RJ that's why I post and print to the Sun and not the RJ.

    CarmineD

  50. ""When is the Congressional Report coming out on the 1983 Beirut Bombing coming out?" rckisok

    Don't hold your breath, rckisok.
    Saint Ronald is resting comfortably in his bye-bye box, buried deep along with any information pertaining to the Beirut tragedy." @Last Throes

    You're both in luck. Here it is.

    http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AMH/XX/M...

    CarmineD

  51. Carmine,

    I am very disappointed in you. In one of your previous comments on this thread, you asked a question, and here it is:

    "Of the 3 news worthy issues (below), which has gotten the least [if any coverage at all] by the mainstream media ?"

    "a) Benghazi -- four killed.

    b) Newtown -- twenty-six killed, including twenty small children.

    c) Iraq invasion/occupation -- 4,487 US soldiers killed, 32,223 seriously wounded." @ Last Throes
    ----------------------

    I responded to your question as follows:

    It's (A) Benghazi. I then asked you the following questions in response to your question.

    Do you really believe that the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi, tragic though it may be, deserves MORE attention than the deaths of 4487 Americans in Iraq, one of the longest wars in our nation's history ? Is that what you are so outraged about ? Is that what you are saying ?
    ---------------------

    Here is how you responded to my questions:

    ""Write a letter to the Sun about your post, and if it's printed, I happily will (respond).

    CarmineD
    ----------------------------

    Patrick Collins correctly described your refusal to answer my questions as a "cop out". For you to say that I have to write a letter to the editor, in order to get you to respond to my comment on this thread, is the height of absurdity. I guess this is how you respond when you don't have an answer to somebody's question. How do you expect us to take you seriously with responses like that ?

  52. "Patrick Collins correctly described your refusal to answer my questions as a "cop out". For you to say that I have to write a letter to the editor, in order to get you to respond to my comment on this thread, is the height of absurdity. " @ M. Stark

    If you have a comment/question about THE ARTICLE I WROTE and the SUN printed, I'm happy to respond back to/answer you. Your questions are not. You're asking me to make a personal value judgment of which subjects, which you gave, is more newsworthy. That's not the subject of my article nor was it meant to be.

    CarmineD

  53. "CarmineD appears to be off his meds on this issue." @ MotorSports

    Apparently, the LV Sun OP-ED editor disagrees with you.

    CarmineD

  54. Carmine,

    You said, "If you have a comment/question about THE ARTICLE I WROTE and the SUN printed, I'm happy to respond back to/answer you. Your questions are not. You're asking me to make a personal value judgment of which subjects, which you gave, is more newsworthy. That's not the subject of my article nor was it meant to be."
    --------------------------

    Where I come from, your response (above) would be considered "double-talk". It makes absolutely no sense. I was not asking "you" to make a personal value judgement of which subjects are more newsworthy.

    In fact, you were the one who introduced the "subjects" (comparing media coverage of Benghazi, Newtown, and the Iraq War), in one of your comments on this thread. It was "you" who posed the question as to which "subject" (Benghazi, Newtown, Iraq War) received the least media coverage. I answered your question, and then responded with some follow-up questions of my own, for clarification, which you have been doing your best to avoid. That's why another commenter here said you were "copping out".

    If you are unable to answer my questions, just say so, but don't make up ridiculous excuses for not answering. I thought the purpose of the "comments" section was for us to engage each other. Apparently, it's OK for you to ask us questions in the "comments" section, but it's not OK for us to ask you questions about your comments. Is that the way it works here ? You are going to have to explain the rules to me.

  55. "In fact, you were the one who introduced the "subjects" (comparing media coverage of Benghazi, Newtown, and the Iraq War), in one of your comments on this thread." @ Marty Stark

    No, in fact it was Last Throes who introduced these subjects first and their media coverage. You chose to answer the question I posed to HIM about them, which called for a factual right or wrong answer, not a personal value judgment. You answered correctly and I gave you due credit for doing so. Your prerogative to do so: Answer me. And my prerogative not to do so [Answer you].

    Now, if you have a comment about the newsworthiness of my article, compared to other topics you want to discuss here, feel free to post. Not in the form of a question to me for which you want/expect me to answer because you say so. I'll decide if and when to do so [answer you]. I don't need your approval/disapproval to do/not do so.

    CarmineD

  56. El Lobo:

    It may be a new year but it's still the same old you. Happy New Year 2013.

    CarmineD

  57. Teamster,

    Shelley Berkley and Maxine Waters would be an excellent presidential/VP ticket.

  58. @ Vernos...

    DetMunch;
    "Don't waste your time trying to educate some of these people. They've gone so far over the edge of reason and sanity that truth and reality has become surreal."

    Yup.
    (And they appear to have nothing but time...I mean, it's like a FULL-TIME JOB for some of these folks here @ the Sun!)

    @ Last throes...

    "Doesn't the rightwing mob ever tire of their torch 'n pitchfork parade?"

    That's all they've got in 'the shed'...ATTACK! ATTACK!
    (The Clowns leading these parades are Clown College Grads; they're actually pretty good!)

    @ Future...

    "Clinton has brain damage - blood clogs on the Brain".

    Good Lord, Ron.
    Even for you, that's a new rhetorical low.
    (But, keep it up. You're good for Democrats, in your own small way, the way Sharron Angle is/was).

    As to this barrage of mind-numbingly base & partisan Benghazi b.s...look no further than the Big Red Machine; Fox on the Box.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/16/...

    The right wing 'cabal of crazies' was indeed created in part by Rupert's well-oiled Propaganda Projector.

  59. "Carmine,

    These two relative newcomers have kind of check-mated you here." @ Jeff

    Tried but didn't. I suggested that these posters make their points. Or, similarly answer their own questions to make the point[s] they want to make. Having done neither, yet, the posters lose.

    CarmineD

  60. "@Carmine are you inferring that just because you got a letter to the editor published the Review agrees with you?" @ Motorsports

    No, you are inferring. Nor am I implying what you inferred. I said I took the time and trouble to write a letter and the LV Sun published it. It's easier to criticize another's written and published opinions than to have and write one yourself [that is printed]. Wouldn't you agree?

    CarmineD

  61. "And if Hillary runs for president, she will
    easily win.

    So far, she says she will not run.

    If not, Joe Biden will run with John Kerry as
    his vice president and clean the clock of any
    nut-job republican running against them." @ Teamster

    All too old now and will be 4 years older in 2016. Hillary's time was 2008 and Obama's 2016. The Dems blew it. Biden: Send in the clowns. His best role is court jester to the President.

    CarmineD

  62. Thanks to the Sun for finally printing my article. To my knowledge, it is the first time the Sun has addressed the issue.

    Thanks to all who responded.

    After Hillary appears before Congress, or if she doesn't, I may write another letter to the Sun. Hopefully if I do, it will be worthy of the Sun to print, whether it agrees/disagees with my views.

    I especially look forward to those here who I suggest write their own opinions, if they are passionate enough, to the Sun for printing. I certainly will respond/comment if I feel the need to do so.

    CarmineD

  63. Carmine,

    JeffFromVegas said to Carmine, "These two relative newcomers (referring to me and one other poster)have kind of check-mated you here."

    You response was "Tried but didn't. I suggested that these posters make their points. Or, similarly answer their own questions to make the point[s] they want to make. Having done neither, yet, the posters lose."
    ---------------------------

    Kind of a childish response by you, saying that I "lost". Is that what this conversation is about ? Is it just a game with winners and losers ? (I hope you don't mind that I am asking you more questions here).

    Actually, I thought I DID make my point, and rather clearly I might add. And, I have also submitted letters to the editor (just as you have), although not on this particular subject. As a matter of fact, I had one published recently by the Las Vegas Sun on 12/28/2011.

    So, this is how you responded when I asked you a question about one of your comments. Your exact words, and I quote, were: "I'll decide if and when to do so [answer you]. I don't need your approval/disapproval to do/not do so."

    Very true. No one can force you to answer a question if you don't want to. But, I think that shows a lack of courage on your part. You should be willing to stand up for your opinions and defend them when challenged. It's one thing to state an opinion. Anyone can do that. It's quite another thing to DEFEND your opinion. If you are unwilling to do that, then why bother posting your opinions at all ?

    You are dancing around this issue like a politician on one of the Sunday morning news shows.

  64. Hillary will be held accountable. She might NEVER AGAIN hold national elected office. Just too much of O. has rubbed off. Bill and H. are playing the party line much toooooo much. Where is the leadership and/or concern for doing what's right?

  65. Marty Stark:

    To me, from a purely personal value judgment, the story within the story is always more newsworthy than the story itself. BUT, you have to print the story first, or research it, in order to learn/print the story within.

    Hope that answers all your questions to me.

    CarmineD

    PS: Happy to hear/read you had an article printed recently although your post said 2011. I thought I recognized your name.

  66. "Hillary will be held accountable." @ Roslenda

    Hillary to her credit already said she is responsible. She is holding herself accountable. Some criticized her for falling on the sword to save President Obama.

    Both are not the story. Her saying she is responsible or falling on the sword for Obama by saying so. The story is that she needs to answer questions in public before Congress about the two government reports about Benghazi. That's what leaders do. They take responsibility, not just say they do.

    CarmineD

  67. "@CarmineD I have asked a friend of mine who works in the mental health field to review your rants here. He says he would need to examine you to be sure but based solely on your writings, he thinks that you are deeply disturbed." Motorsports

    Of course he would, if he's a friend of yours.

    CarmineD

  68. Jeff:

    Having lost your king to me many times here in the past, including this one, your game skills are still lacking.

    CarmineD

  69. "Jeff its not "IF" O'Reilly saved the corporal, he did save him and like I said he did what our government and president failed to do." @ Chuck333

    Not just O'Reilly. The Five on Fox stayed on this story too to have Hammer freed by the Mexican courts. And pushed the story that Hillary needed to testify. Within minutes, literally, of them saying so [Hillary must testify] Hillary made a statement through her State Department spokespeople, that she would. You can call it a coincidence in timing. Fine. If that makes you feel ggod, be ecstatic. BUT.... so far Hillary has not and has not set a time to do so. Let's see what she does this week when she is back on the job at State.

    CarmineD

  70. I grow on people, Jeff. Especially my opinions.

    CarmineD

  71. Jeff:

    Surely, you can have nothing but good feelings and praise for the incontrovertible fact that, despise them as you may, O'Reilly and Fox were successful in gaining the American's release and freedom before Christmas. After he spent almost a year chained to a bed incarcerated in a Mexican cell with the full knowledge of the highest levels of the Obama Administration. Am I right? Of course.

    CarmineD

  72. "And it was (too long anyway) 4 months, not "Almost a year"." Jeff

    I bet it felt more like a lifetime to Hammer.

    CarmineD

  73. Carmine,

    You said: """To me, from a purely personal value judgment, the story within the story is always more newsworthy than the story itself. BUT, you have to print the story first, or research it, in order to learn/print the story within.
    Hope that answers all your questions to me."""
    ________________________________

    Actually, it does. Because I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in your comment (above). I can't think of a single question to ask you about it.

    So....I guess this means that....you.....win. I suppose it was inevitable, wasn't it ?

  74. "Actually, it does. Because I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in your comment (above). I can't think of a single question to ask you about it.

    So....I guess this means that....you.....win. I suppose it was inevitable, wasn't it ?" @ Marty Stark

    OK, here's an example of the story within the story.

    Around Christmas a young NY police officer was pictured buying and putting socks and boots on a homeless man. Recall? It was a great story. Touched the hearts of all for awhile. Right. What happened?

    The family of the homeless man said he has an apartment, steady income and choses at times to live on the streets for whatever reasons. In fact he was soon pictured a few days later all dappered up like a NYC lawyer. The latter was the story within the story. It was more newsworthy than the original IMHO. Again, my personal value judgment. BUT we would not have had it within the original story.
    CarmineD

  75. "If you told the truth more often, you could begin "growing on people" here in a good way, instead of like a fungus.

    :) " Jeff

    I did tell the truth. Hammer's family said it felt like a lifetime.

    CarmineD

  76. TAKE responsibility. Stop saying it and TAKE responsibility.

  77. Note to all:

    Hillary Clinton announced today that SHE will testify on Benghazi before Congress IN PUBLIC on January 22. Stayed tuned.

    CarmineD