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Saturday, Jan. 5, 2013 | 2:01 a.m.
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Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts is qualified to be secretary of state. As President Barack Obama said in nominating Kerry: “He is not going to need a lot of on-the-job training.” But, before appointment, there must be an orderly transition from Secretary Hillary Clinton to Kerry. A government report holds top-level state department officials liable for the tragedy of Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012. The report has to be addressed first and those responsible held accountable, and not by shuffling desks around.
The government’s report indicates ongoing and systemic mistakes at the State Department. It happened on Clinton’s watch. She’s responsible, according to her own words on the matter.
Kerry will undoubtedly be confirmed. His political star is rising while Clinton’s is falling. Clinton must face congressional hearings on Benghazi before Kerry can take over at the State Department. She was admitted to a hospital for treatment of a brain clot, delaying the inevitable yet again. Her appearance will be a prime-time political event, perhaps more widely watched and followed than anything in the news in 2012 and even the presidential inauguration.
Hillary did a decent job as secretary of state however, flying around the globe, old age and health issues happen to us all eventually. Rest up Hillary, get healthy and enjoy the sunsets.
Letter is correct.Clinton must testify as to what went wrong and those who were responsible should be terminated.The Obama administration has consistently tried to play its role down in this nightmarish tragedy to no avail thanks to the tireless investigations that are on going.
Hannity's ratings are way down because people do not care about the Bengazi crap (even Romney did not use the isssue). Turn off the Fox "news" and talk radio. Limbaugh is a disc jockey and hannity is a house painter. Beck and Limberger have substance problems. The nut at the other paper is so debilitated by pre-existing medical consditions he does not think straight. Get you information from the Sun and Harry Reid's office, they have the best information.
In response to Carmine DiFazio; your letter to the editor highlights your unfamiliarity and lack of knowledge when it comes to government operations overseas.
Check your hat at the door Mr. DiFazio, and relax. Ms. Clinton will testify on Benghazi. However, during the interim, let me give you some common sense knowledge which will play out in due course with authorities regarding this issue.
State Department warnings in overseas locations in the form of confidential message traffic, memorandums, bulletins, etc, are received every day by military and diplomatic personnel. This intelligence provided is not designed to restrict government operations in overseas locations, but it is used to provide possible cautionary maneuvers in carrying out those operations. However, these decisions rest with military and diplomatic commanders in their specific region. In other words, Mr. DeFazio, Ambassador Chris Stevens knew of the inherent dangers of Benghazi and proceeded with his objectives despite the security warnings issued by the State Department. While I applaud Ambassador Stevens' commitment to his objectives, the results proved to be quite costly.
This, the Benghazi attacks is not Secretary Clinton's fault. Field commanders make poor decisions quite frequently. I guess in your line of opinion Mr. DiFazio Secretary Clinton should be burned each time one of our soldiers are killed in Afghanistan?
Clinton is being protected by the Democrats
Clinton made a huge mistake implement the small footprint policy in a war zone
The Ambassador should not have been there or protection should have been provide
Now Clintion has a Benghazi
Clinton has brain damage - blood clogs on the Brain
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If Clinton is unable to testify then Clintion is unable to run for president
Benghazi amnesia will not pass the president qualification test
The campaign was based on Osama bin Laden is dead
But Mullah Mohammed Omar and Ayman al-Zawahiri are alive.
AND the Middle-East disengagement policy leaves a power vacuum for al-Qaeda and the Taliban and the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas and Hezbollah and the Revolutionary Guard and Salafi Islamist are alive AND taking over the governments of Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Sudan, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and Yemen.
As America is retreating from a limited role in the Middle East all rule of law is in a meltdown. Without America lawlessness is taking root as extreme Islamist groups fill the power vacuum. With the Arab Spring there are fewer central governments with any ability to control extreme islamist. The US is no longer relevant.
The elephant in the room is the failure of the GOP controlled HR to adequately fund Security operations at our embassies and consulates worldwide, not just in Libya.
The incident in Benghazi pales in comparison with the atrocities of the two unfunded wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama gave GWB and his cabal a pass when elected in 2008. The GOP and FAUX news have made this Benghazi molehill into a mountain; nothing more, nothing less.
@Future:
You're full of crap. I guess you are one of those in the minority who think her blood clot was all a "conspiracy".
Clinton is scheduled to testify re Benghazi in the middle of January. And she is going to do so. She is NOT brain damaged, as you imply. However, she has stated multiple times in the recent past, she has NO DESIRE to run for president nor even stay in politics. She said she has done her time in the political arena and now she wants to relax and have a life. This recent VERY SERIOUS medical episode most likely made that decision a lot easier for her.
Carmine, Carmine, Carmine. Clinton IS going to testify re Benghazi. She is not trying to "hide" from it. Because of her very serious medical issue, the transition from her to Kerry may be put off a little while, but will happen regardless if it is before or after Clinton's Benghazi testimony.
And your comment on Clinton's political star is falling - as I posted to that Genius Future - she has no desire to run for president nor even remain in politics and has said so several times. She has done her time.
Clinton should have been held accountable long ago. Her and others as well. They kept saying it was due to some class d movie that noone seen. Det_Munch and others give these losers a pass everytime. Fast and Furious, Benghanzi, the ineptitude of these agencies is so obvious but yet Det and BCap defend them. Very patriotic of you I must say.
"It happened on Clinton's watch. She's responsible, according to her own words on the matter."
OK. She accepted responsibility and accepted all the recommendations in the government report. Four State Department officials have resigned. What are you asking for other than an excuse to have a yakking point?
Det__Munch,
Don't waste your time trying to educate some of these people. They've gone so far over the edge of reason and sanity that truth and reality has become surreal.
I just have to shake my head at all the comments. Some want Clinton's head on a platter. Some want to completely exonerate her.
The die is caste, as it almost always is. High level folks, rarely, if ever, take the fall when errors are made, no matter what their culpability is. That will likely be the case here.
It seems obvious that security was lacking at the embassy. Clinton probably was at too high a level to be dealing with that issue.
To me, what Americans should care about is understanding how and why a decision was taken to not send immediate help to the people left fighting for their lives after the Ambassador and the others were probably dead.
IF the reasons for the lackluster security and the hesitance to send help revolved around a political desire to 'play up' the success of the Administrations polices, then what happened was a travesty. If not, it is just a tragedy.
We will never get those answers, just like we will never have all the answers as to what (internally in the Bush White House) led up to the Iraq invasion. We will all be left to draw our own conclusions based on incomplete data.
As most Americans do, we will draw our conclusions based on what side we like and promptly grab anything that supports our conclusion and dismiss anything that doesn't.
And life goes on...
Michael
"Four State Department officials have resigned." @ Weber
False. Not resigned. RE-assigned/on administrative leave. Administrative leave is a paid vacation at taxpayers' expense that doesn't count toward their leave time.
CarmineD
BChap:
Soldiers work for the military services under the umbrella of the Defense Department. Foreign officers and diplomats, like Stevens and his staff, work for the State Department. I opine, BASED ON THE FINDINGS OF TWO SEPARATE GOVERNMENT REPORTS ON BENGHAZI, both Departments THE STATE and DEFENSE, AS WELL AS THE PRESIDENT WHO IS COMMANDER IN CHIEF AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE, are responsible. Getting Hillary to testify, since she said she accepts repsonsibility, is a start.
CarmineD
"Hannity's ratings are way down because people do not care about the Bengazi crap (even Romney did not use the isssue)." @ mred
The fact Romney didn't, which I still don't understand, is reason in part he lost the election. He should have AND called out the commentator and debate moderator for being wrong on the President and his stand on Benghazi. It was a defining moment in politics and the debates. Romney didn't. And for the life of me and others, we don't know why. I chalk it up to Romney being too nice to be a politician.
CarmineD
FUTURE AND CHUCK333: I wish you were both trusted posters so your comments would be here to stay.
You will miss the pleasure of calling these others out with your posts after Hillary testifies IF AND WHEN SHE DOES. As of yet, there is no definitive time set. She has made a career of acting like a martyr. Not being a martyr.
CarmineD
"Clinton is scheduled to testify re Benghazi in the middle of January." Det--Munch
False. No time has been set yet. Hillary has done a better job of ducking and dodging hearings than mob boss Joe Bonanno.
CarmineD
Det- whines "@Future: You're full of crap. I guess you are one of those in the minority who think her blood clot was all a "conspiracy".
Not really Clinton's brain damage is REAL. I believe Hillary has brain damage.
I would note Hillary could have testified long before she fell and got brain damage a couple of weeks ago.
Clinton would not testify early when she had good health now if she testifies and slurs her words - well you get the picture.
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Remember this is the first step in her 2016 run for President
Democrats will protect her at all cost. Watch them howl at the least bit of heat or pressure
The excuse that the House did not authorize enough for security is a lame position.
There is always a presumption that the life and safety of personnel has a prior lein on budgets. There was no legitimate reason for failing to send in military assets to protect our personnel when the request was made,or for the misleading explanations and lies that ensued as to the facts in this tragedy. It has already been established
that there were systemic failures by the state department that led to these deaths.
Those responsible must be terminated .Clinton should furnish a complete testimony that uncovers what the raw facts are and what the administration plans to do.
"It seems obvious that security was lacking at the embassy. Clinton probably was at too high a level to be dealing with that issue." @ Casler
That's an opinion on your part and ONE of the reasons she needs to testify so if it is true it is introduced into evidence as a fact.
CarmineD
"Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts is qualified to be secretary of state".... To be qualified for this administration one has to be a tax dodger and able to keep a secret, the secret to keeping a secret is to be a good liar. Besides, then he can dock his yacht in Abu Dhabi right next to Halliburton and never pay taxes!
Carmine loves shouting "Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!!!" I from the roof tops. I think it must be primal scream therapy at his retirement home.
They whip those old white guys into a frenzy going "Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!!!" and they froth at the mouth all day.
Benghazi is a wake up call for America, not a celebration of hate for right wing schizophrenics.
Let's learn how to play prevent this without putting heat seeking missles in every ambassadors brief case.
Hanging around in Congress for years does not make one qualified to be Secretary of State. It's simply a political appointment plum.
Clinton's senior staff (and her husband) are searching for ways to keep her from testifying. If they fail, her testimony will be lackluster as in "I did not have sex with Monica..." Let's now get out our dictionaries and look up the word "sex."
Carmine,
"Hillary has done a better job of ducking the and dodging hearings than mob boss Joe Bonanno".
The New York-Presbyterian Hospital where Hillary Clinton was treated for a blood clot in her brain.Would not engage in any illegal activities.Such as making false medical claims on her condition so she could avoid testifing about Benghazi.She was not dodging or ducking anything.She was just plain sick with a blood clot in her brain.
A lot of today's commenters remind me of a guy I worked with long ago. He said "I've only made two mistakes in my life. The second one was admitting the first one."
"Kerry will undoubtedly be confirmed. His political star is rising while Clinton's is falling."
Enjoyed the letter, but you are only pursuing an all out party politics attack. The same things being pursued on Fox PORNO (Political Organization-Republican News Only) News have been stated exactly the same as in this letter.
As a correction, Ms. Hillary Clinton's star is NOT falling. Not at all.
She has served all her life in politics with distinction and admirably. She has nothing to be ashamed of.
The whole crux of the matter with these types of attacks on her is that the paranoid Tea/Republican Party, on every level, fears Ms. Hillary Clinton. They know she is in fact a rising star, and could actually run for President of the United States of America in 2016. So, the decision was made to go full bore and attack her on every level they can. And do it right now.
So, as pertains to the Benghazi tragedy, all of the ludicrous and false attacks on Susan Rice are over with.
And the Tea/Republican Party hierarchy feels that it was successful to axe her as a nominee for Secretary of State, they are now emboldened.
They are now carrying this same line of attack at Ms. Hillary Clinton.
Good luck with that, Tea/Republicans. The simple fact of the matter is that you have no message that is palatable to the American voters out here...except to just attack.
As other commenters have said, it is indeed a sad day for America, a tragedy that four people died in that Embassy Annex.
But it is basically a despicable crime for the rabid frothing at the mouth ultra-conservative way out there right wingers to continually use it as a line of attack. It is so over the top now that what actually occurred has been muddied with false rhetoric, it is basically not helping the investigation at all.
But anyways, the line of attack by the righties will continue without let up. It is getting so ridiculous now that Fox PORNO News is probably looking for a guy by the name of Mr. Ben Gozzy to get into the studio for an interview....so they can yell at him.
@Carmine: I'll become a trusted poster when this news outlet starts covering all the news not just what they are told to.
ie:
-Jon Hammar jailed in Mexico and with the help of Bill O'Reilly and the pressure he put on was instrumnetal in his release. Our own president did nothing to step in and get his release.
-Al Gore selling his Current TV to Aljazeer.
-Fast and Furious
-Benghazi
-Reids rhetoric
Carmine its not that I'm overly bias one way or another. What I read here is a blatant attempt to not cover all the news.
With the posters on this site, having your personnel information out there, I would subjected to the same ridicule I read that you and others have to deal with.
I have had private conversations with some that I don't agree with, and they are very good people, but overall you have to admit there's some on here that are questionable.
Ironic that the right wing-nuts are all afroth with righteous indignation over the Benghazi incidents but rodent-like in their demand for accountability in the Newton massacre. But that is the right for you, annoying pustules on the buttocks of history.
In six years she'll be "President Hillary Clinton" to all you right-wing hyenas. But no need to wait til then. Feel free to start using the title now.
Chuck333 said:
"I have had private conversations with some that I don't agree with, and they are very good people, but overall you have to admit there's some on here that are questionable."
I say:
I treat you like every other right winger who puts their lack of common sense on display.
You have the potential to be brought into the light like Sam has.
At least you rarely are rabid.
Have a nice life...
In reply to Carmine DiFazio; I expected and received the same usual senseless and imprudent comments from you. What else is new?
In reply to Michael Casler; real soldiers shake their heads at prim Madonna commentators. Of course, real soldiers shouldn't expect one to understand the elements of risk with government operations when that same person crying for answers has never themselves ventured outside a personally designed "protective shell".
Go back to playing the role of a political tortoise Mr. Casler. Even though it's dark there in the cave, per se, you're still shown in a better light.
Benghazi is GOP-speak for Swiftboat.
American liberal loons love the fictional adventures of their super hero characters like Hillary dodging bullets in Bosnia and John Kerry denying his self proclaimed war hero medals by tossing them over a fence. Chris Wallace gets a tingle down his other leg and media gets all teary eyed. Good Grief!
I said it when Ambassador Susan Rice was talking nonsense. Hillary's silence speaks volumes. Still does. And she says she's accountable? Nice story line but where was the TIMELY resignation. Would have changed the election results--as would several other things delayed and denied by O. Now we've got him and he just keeps spending and says he won't even talk about it. Let's pray that Congress develops some backbone and refuses to lift the debt limit UNTIL there are substantial spending cuts in discretionary programs.
Sam:
Hillary gets excused from testifying in December for her medical emergencies. What were her reasons in September, October and November?
Recall when Dick Cheney got a heart transplant the mainstream media and liberal late night laugh shows had a feast day roasting and ribbing his medical emergency. Did you and others here forget so soon?
CarmineD
"Carmine loves shouting "Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!!!" I from the roof tops. " Jeff
You more than others here should know that on September 12, 2012 and since when President Obama and his Administration were pushing the video as the blame for Benghazi, I said IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK by Al Qaida. Did you forget?
CarmineD
"It should be noted that Secretary Clinton's approval numbers are higher than ANY republican politician's approval numbers. Period. Perhaps the rest of the country doesn't wear the same tin foil hat that @CarmineD does?" @ Motorsports
Perhaps the reason for her ratings is because they do [wear tin foil hats].
CarmineD
"What else is new?" BChap
2013 not 2012. And Skins are in the post season playoffs.
CarmineD
"She has served all her life in politics with distinction and admirably. She has nothing to be ashamed of."
"So, as pertains to the Benghazi tragedy, all of the ludicrous and false attacks on Susan Rice are over with." Colin from LV
First of all, I wrote and the Sun printed an article in which I supported Susan Rice for Secretary of State. And I still do. Sad that President Obama accepted her willingness to be withdrawn from consideration.
WRT Clinton's tenure as Secretary, it's been abysmal. We are looking at a world order collapse on the magnitude of the 30's and 40's. Syria, Iran, and North Korea are defying the world leaders without being held accountable for their actions. Thank Hillary and her boss, President Obama.
The rogue nations then were Germany, Japan and Russia. It resulted in WW2. Consider what might be the results of Syria, Iran and North Korea. Then ask yourself why anyone would want the job that Hillary failed go galactically at performing?
CarmineD
Thanks Jeff you to.
Carmine,
"Hillary gets excused from testifying in Dec,for the medical emergencies.What were her reasons in Sept,Oct,and Nov".
Hillary was excused from testifying in Dec.after falling down from fainting and hitting her head and developing a blood clot in her brain.She sent two aides in her place. She is scheduled to apppear before the Senate foreign relations committee and answer questions about the tragic events that happened in Benghazi Libya.
If you have evidence that the New York Presbyterian Hospital had a hand in doing something illegal,you should step forward with your evidence. I don't believe anyone thinks that the hospital did anything illegal.
"She is scheduled to apppear before the Senate foreign relations" @ Sam
She is not scheduled to testify as yet. No date has been set.
CarmineD
When you have built your reputation on lies and deception is a really long road back.
Chelsea was jogging around the Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. (She was in bed watching it on TV.)
Hillary was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. (She admitted she was wrong. He climbed Mt. Everest five years after her birth.)
She was under sniper fire in Bosnia. (A girl presented her with flowers at the foot of the ramp.)
She learned in The Wall Street Journal how to make a killing in the futures market. (It didn't cover the market back then.)
She didn't know about the FALN pardons.
She didn't know that her brothers were being paid to get pardons that Clinton granted.
Taking the White House gifts was a clerical error.
She didn't know that her staff would fire the travel office staff after she told them to do so. She didn't know that the Peter Paul fundraiser in Hollywood in 2000 cost $700,000 more than she reported it had.
She opposed NAFTA at the time.
She was instrumental in the Irish peace process.
She urged Bill to intervene in Rwanda.
She played a role in the '90s economic recovery.
The billing records showed up on their own.
She thought Bill was innocent when the Monica scandal broke.
She was always a Yankees fan.
She had nothing to do with the New Square Hasidic pardons (after they voted for her 1,400-12 and she attended a meeting at the White House about the pardons).
She negotiated for the release of refugees in Macedonia (who were released the day before she got there).
WHITEWATER
Can't you unhinged right-wingers wait until Hillary is elected president before beginning impeachment proceedings?
LOL
Politicians spend most of their time covering up their mistakes and poor judgments. They always win until they lose. it's as simple as that. One day in her memoirs Hillary might admit she was remiss in her judgment.
Hillary/Whitewater; forever entwined, even though many have dismissed her days at the Rose Law Firm. She, like "Sick" Willie, has always been an opportunist and now Osama Obama nominates an even bigger opportunist in the form of John Kerry. He of "Swift Boat" fame with his penchant for marrying rich women, dumping them and then marrying an even richer woman. Kerry is as cold-blooded a creature as any reptile that crawls through the muck & slime on this planet. I'm quite sure under those $2,000 suits, $300 shirts and $100 ties, his body is covered in scales rather than skin.
Benghazi is a pathetic and utterly tranparent attempt by the GOP to manufacture a scandle. Turn off the Faux News for a few minutes and you'll see that the rest of the world has moved on.
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a) Benghazi -- four killed.
b) Newtown -- twenty-six killed, including twenty small children.
c) Iraq invasion/occupation -- 4,487 US soldiers killed, 32,223 seriously wounded.
Of the three tragedies listed, guess which has recieved the most complete coverage inside the Faux News / Rush Limbauh entertainment bubble?
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"a) Benghazi -- four killed.
b) Newtown -- twenty-six killed, including twenty small children.
c) Iraq invasion/occupation -- 4,487 US soldiers killed, 32,223 seriously wounded." @ Last Throes
Of the 3 news worthy issues, which has gotten the least [if any coverage at all] by the mainstream media?
CarmineD
Well, if Hillary Clinton does decide to un-retire and run for office in 2016, we can all look forward to her attempt to talk "southern" again while giving a speech to southern democrats during her campaign:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuv...
"Benghazi is a pathetic and utterly tranparent attempt by the GOP to manufacture a scandle. " @ Elmthree
TWO GOVERNMENT reports, both scathing as government reports go, place the blame for Benghazi at the highest levels of the State and Defense Departments. What part of "manufacture a scandal" does the Government play in their reports?
CarmineD
DeFazio You sound as illinformed and quite possibly corrupt as your right wing hate and fear boasting friends McCain and Issa.
Clinton will testify and she will accept rsponsiblity as well as should the Republican controlled house and the right wing,extremist,obstructionsts who refuse to fund the State Department or any other cause other than special interest gropus who line their pockets.
I wonder where you were when it was proven that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and Bush,Cheney,Rice and their lot put America wher it is today economically,not counting the tens of thousands of lives lost and even more maimed?
One might expect such a ridiculous post from a right wing,lying Republican in Washington who is attempting to garner talking points for their failed cause, but never from an informed person.Some people just don't know when to keep their mouths shut and you are one of them.
Doesn't the rightwing mob ever tire of their torch 'n pitchfork parade?
"DeFazio You sound as illinformed and quite possibly corrupt as your right wing hate and fear boasting friends McCain and Issa." @ Homer
As Washington politicians go, these two are my least favorite. I admire McCain for his war record. I loathe his politics. Issa in my opinion epitomizes all the things that are wrong with the House GOP.
CarmineD
"Doesn't the rightwing mob ever tire of their torch 'n pitchfork parade?" @ LastThroes
How would you feel if the 4 American heroes who were murdered in Benghazi were your friends/family?
CarmineD
The Benghazi coverage by Fox News was their last ditch effort to keep Obama from being re-elected and it failed miserably. The republican party network (Fox News) has mostly dropped their coverage since the election ended. Fox is now persuing the John Hammer situation instead.
All it takes today to be a hero is to be killed Carmine?Americans sure have lowered their standards. I don't even think John McCain was a hero because he got shot down and captured.
Carmine,
You said, "of the 3 news worthy issues (below), which has gotten the least [if any coverage at all] by the mainstream media ?"
"a) Benghazi -- four killed.
b) Newtown -- twenty-six killed, including twenty small children.
c) Iraq invasion/occupation -- 4,487 US soldiers killed, 32,223 seriously wounded." @ Last Throes
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OK, I am going to answer your question. It's (A) Benghazi.
Do you really believe that the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi, tragic though it may be, deserves MORE attention than the deaths of 4487 Americans in Iraq, one of the longest wars in our nation's history ? Is that what you are so outraged about ? Is that what you are saying ?
The reason that the Newtown tragedy has gotten so much attention is because of two reasons. First, the age of the victims, and the heroic attempts by adults to save them. Secondly, it speaks to the larger issue of gun control in our country, and our interpretation of the second amendment in particular.
In my opinion, rather than getting too much attention, the Iraq War did not get enough attention, especially before we invaded. Perhaps if the "main stream" media had done it's job, and done some serious investigative reporting, and if we had a serious debate in our country before the invasion, 4487 American soldiers would be alive today.
"OK, I am going to answer your question. It's (A) Benghazi." @ Marty Stark
Correct answer.
CarmineD
"All it takes today to be a hero is to be killed Carmine?" @ antigov
Yes especially when you give your live for others.
CarmineD
Carmine,
I answered your question. I'm still waiting for you to answer mine.
Marty Stark
"The Benghazi coverage by Fox News was their last ditch effort to keep Obama from being re-elected." @antigov
Wrong. It was to do what the news media should do and hopefully receive a pulitzer for doing it the best.
CarmineD
"Carmine,
I answered your question. I'm still waiting for you to answer mine.
Marty Stark"
Write a letter to the Sun about your post, and if it's printed, I happily will.
CarmineD
:"Carmine,
I answered your question. I'm still waiting for you to answer mine.
Marty Stark"
Write a letter to the Sun about your post, and if it's printed, I happily will.
CarmineD"
What a copout....
When is the Congressional Report coming out on the 1983 Beirut Bombing coming out? 299 died! OH, yea I forgot Regan was President and were no hearings and no retaliation uncles you count the invasion of Grenada! That was joke and Bengasi is a witch-hunt by a dyeing Political Party!
"What a copout...." @ patrick collins
Have you taken the time and trouble to write a letter to the Sun and have it published and then respond to the commenters? If not, I suggest you do first before you pass judgment on those who have.
CarmineD
I have a relative that sends me Email from the radical right. Between that and Fox News it is unbelievable the amount of missinformation is out there. Carmine needs to get his information from more than those sources, as do all the radical right. This is said with an understanding that you need to get information from reputable sources. Bill Clinton said he likes to read both conservative and liberal papers thoroughly to get the best perspective. This is good advice.
Carmine is looking to get a pulitzer for his letters to the editor. Carmine is a legend in his own mind.
I might add that it is an advantage in Las Vegas to have both the Review Journal and the Sun available to us. When they disagree you can always investigate further, but when the agree it is a good check and balance. Many cities do not have this benefit. Although I have found the Sun's Editorial tend to check out correct more often thant the Review Journal's.
"When is the Congressional Report coming out on the 1983 Beirut Bombing coming out? 299 died! " @ rckisok
"The 1983 report of the U.S. Department of Defense Commission's on the attack recommended that the National Security Council re-examines alternative ways to reach "American objectives in Lebanon" because, "as progress to diplomatic solutions slows," the security of the USMNF base continues to "deteriorate." The commission also recommended a review for the development of a broader range of "appropriate military, political, and diplomatic responses to terrorism." Military preparedness needed improvement in the development of "doctrine, planning, organization, force structure, education, and training" to better combat terrorism, while the USMNF was "not prepared" to deal with the terrorist threat at the time due to "lack of training, staff, organization, and support" specifically for defending against "terror threats."
The Beirut Barracks had multi national occupants. The Consulate in Beghazi is US territory. The 299 deaths included French soldiers. The attack on Benghazi on September 11, was 9-11. US troops around the globe were supposed to be on high alert.
CarmineD
"When is the Congressional Report coming out on the 1983 Beirut Bombing coming out?"
Don't hold your breath, rckisok.
Saint Ronald is resting comfortably in his bye-bye box, buried deep along with any information pertaining to the Beirut tragedy.
"Carmine needs to get his information from more than those sources, as do all the radical right." @ Don Peters
Thank you for the advice but I already do. I prefer the Sun to the RJ that's why I post and print to the Sun and not the RJ.
CarmineD
I rarely post, but the comments on here lead me unable to keep quiet.
The truth of the matter is that unless you have held or currently hold a diplomatic passport or have ever worked in an Embassy or Consulate, or are part of the DSS, you will never know even half of the information.
Have you read the news from Libya in Arabic from that day, have you personally seen the video from the attack or are you relying on others to tell you?
Do you know Embassy/Consulate guidelines/protocol for an attack? Do you know State Dept. guidelines/protocol for attacks? Do you know international law regarding Embassy/Consulate attacks?
Do you know the US Embassy is in Tripoli and it was the Consulate that was attacked? Do you know the difference between the two?
There is so much mis-information and inaccurate accusations being thrown around by people who are under the impression they "know". There are things the average American will never know, and should never know because having that information disseminated world wide puts all diplomats and their families at risk.
Do you know who was Sec. of State when the Embassy in Islamabad was attacked? How about the when Embassy in Lebanon was attacked and 17 Americans were killed? Or how about during the roughly 30 other attacks on US Embassies and Consulates in the past 54 years that made the news (we're not even talking about the daily small ones that never made it to the news wire).
Now ask, why is that?
""When is the Congressional Report coming out on the 1983 Beirut Bombing coming out?" rckisok
Don't hold your breath, rckisok.
Saint Ronald is resting comfortably in his bye-bye box, buried deep along with any information pertaining to the Beirut tragedy." @Last Throes
You're both in luck. Here it is.
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/AMH/XX/M...
CarmineD
Carmine,
I am very disappointed in you. In one of your previous comments on this thread, you asked a question, and here it is:
"Of the 3 news worthy issues (below), which has gotten the least [if any coverage at all] by the mainstream media ?"
"a) Benghazi -- four killed.
b) Newtown -- twenty-six killed, including twenty small children.
c) Iraq invasion/occupation -- 4,487 US soldiers killed, 32,223 seriously wounded." @ Last Throes
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I responded to your question as follows:
It's (A) Benghazi. I then asked you the following questions in response to your question.
Do you really believe that the deaths of 4 Americans in Benghazi, tragic though it may be, deserves MORE attention than the deaths of 4487 Americans in Iraq, one of the longest wars in our nation's history ? Is that what you are so outraged about ? Is that what you are saying ?
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Here is how you responded to my questions:
""Write a letter to the Sun about your post, and if it's printed, I happily will (respond).
CarmineD
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Patrick Collins correctly described your refusal to answer my questions as a "cop out". For you to say that I have to write a letter to the editor, in order to get you to respond to my comment on this thread, is the height of absurdity. I guess this is how you respond when you don't have an answer to somebody's question. How do you expect us to take you seriously with responses like that ?
"Patrick Collins correctly described your refusal to answer my questions as a "cop out". For you to say that I have to write a letter to the editor, in order to get you to respond to my comment on this thread, is the height of absurdity. " @ M. Stark
If you have a comment/question about THE ARTICLE I WROTE and the SUN printed, I'm happy to respond back to/answer you. Your questions are not. You're asking me to make a personal value judgment of which subjects, which you gave, is more newsworthy. That's not the subject of my article nor was it meant to be.
CarmineD
"CarmineD appears to be off his meds on this issue." @ MotorSports
Apparently, the LV Sun OP-ED editor disagrees with you.
CarmineD
Congratulations to my little buddy Carmine for establishing a new posting record for a single thread.
At last count, Carmine has posted 27 posts on this thread which has to be an all time record.....
Hopefully Carmine feels a lot better now since he has had a chance to go on his almost non stop rant about Hillary and the fact that she has not as yet testified before Congress concerning the Benghazi attack.
It appears that Carmine has convinced himself that Hillary wasn't under the weather & she was using the "blood clot" story to keep from testifying in front of Congress..
Of course, Carmine isn't alone with his beliefs about Hillary trying to dodge any type of inquiry into the what went wrong in Benghazi.
With that being said, we shouldn't be too tough on Carmine, however.
Keep in mind that Carmine has had very little to be happy about ever since the November 6th election.
The butt kicking that the GOP took has been tough for not only Carmine but a majority of the right-wingers in this country. Many are still in denial & those that are no longer in denial are trying to figure out what happened to them and their beloved "party of family values."
Some of the right-wingers believe that the "liberal media" is responsible for their butt kicking and others simply believe that the country is going to "hell in a hand basket" and all is lost...
Carmine, on the other hand, has convinced himself that the GOP is on the rise while the Democrats are sinking fast.....
Carmine,
You said, "If you have a comment/question about THE ARTICLE I WROTE and the SUN printed, I'm happy to respond back to/answer you. Your questions are not. You're asking me to make a personal value judgment of which subjects, which you gave, is more newsworthy. That's not the subject of my article nor was it meant to be."
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Where I come from, your response (above) would be considered "double-talk". It makes absolutely no sense. I was not asking "you" to make a personal value judgement of which subjects are more newsworthy.
In fact, you were the one who introduced the "subjects" (comparing media coverage of Benghazi, Newtown, and the Iraq War), in one of your comments on this thread. It was "you" who posed the question as to which "subject" (Benghazi, Newtown, Iraq War) received the least media coverage. I answered your question, and then responded with some follow-up questions of my own, for clarification, which you have been doing your best to avoid. That's why another commenter here said you were "copping out".
If you are unable to answer my questions, just say so, but don't make up ridiculous excuses for not answering. I thought the purpose of the "comments" section was for us to engage each other. Apparently, it's OK for you to ask us questions in the "comments" section, but it's not OK for us to ask you questions about your comments. Is that the way it works here ? You are going to have to explain the rules to me.
"In fact, you were the one who introduced the "subjects" (comparing media coverage of Benghazi, Newtown, and the Iraq War), in one of your comments on this thread." @ Marty Stark
No, in fact it was Last Throes who introduced these subjects first and their media coverage. You chose to answer the question I posed to HIM about them, which called for a factual right or wrong answer, not a personal value judgment. You answered correctly and I gave you due credit for doing so. Your prerogative to do so: Answer me. And my prerogative not to do so [Answer you].
Now, if you have a comment about the newsworthiness of my article, compared to other topics you want to discuss here, feel free to post. Not in the form of a question to me for which you want/expect me to answer because you say so. I'll decide if and when to do so [answer you]. I don't need your approval/disapproval to do/not do so.
CarmineD
El Lobo:
It may be a new year but it's still the same old you. Happy New Year 2013.
CarmineD
Carmine,
These two relative newcomers have kind of check-mated you here. You are sort of taking your bat and ball home and ending the game.
That's code for the fact you lost.
Badly I would add.
MotorSports......
I agree, Carmine must be off his meds.
I believe he and other republicans will never get
over their HUGE LOSS to PRESIDENT OBAMA.
The republican party is a broken mess.
Jeff......
YES, Carmine is a typical republican who is still
spinning his wheels and can never give a straight
answer.
They always take their bat and ball and go home.
The fault and blame lies with obma. He enjoys taking credit for anything he feels is positive but to no one's surprise he is quick to blame someone/anyone if the public questions anything regarding his administration.
Carmine.....
Please take off your tinfoil hat.
You republicans lost the election.
And you lost real bad.
With all that has happened, Hillary has done a
great job.
And if Hillary runs for president, she will
easily win.
So far, she says she will not run.
If not, Joe Biden will run with John Kerry as
his vice president and clean the clock of any
nut-job republican running against them.
DEMOCRATS FOREVER!
LIVE BETTER/WORK UNION!
Teamster,
Shelley Berkley and Maxine Waters would be an excellent presidential/VP ticket.
Career of many duties, Hillary Clinton has done marvelous career. No one can count the stress is forming when you travel around the globe at her age.
@ Vernos...
DetMunch;
"Don't waste your time trying to educate some of these people. They've gone so far over the edge of reason and sanity that truth and reality has become surreal."
Yup.
(And they appear to have nothing but time...I mean, it's like a FULL-TIME JOB for some of these folks here @ the Sun!)
@ Last throes...
"Doesn't the rightwing mob ever tire of their torch 'n pitchfork parade?"
That's all they've got in 'the shed'...ATTACK! ATTACK!
(The Clowns leading these parades are Clown College Grads; they're actually pretty good!)
@ Future...
"Clinton has brain damage - blood clogs on the Brain".
Good Lord, Ron.
Even for you, that's a new rhetorical low.
(But, keep it up. You're good for Democrats, in your own small way, the way Sharron Angle is/was).
As to this barrage of mind-numbingly base & partisan Benghazi b.s...look no further than the Big Red Machine; Fox on the Box.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/16/...
The right wing 'cabal of crazies' was indeed created in part by Rupert's well-oiled Propaganda Projector.
"Carmine,
These two relative newcomers have kind of check-mated you here." @ Jeff
Tried but didn't. I suggested that these posters make their points. Or, similarly answer their own questions to make the point[s] they want to make. Having done neither, yet, the posters lose.
CarmineD
"@Carmine are you inferring that just because you got a letter to the editor published the Review agrees with you?" @ Motorsports
No, you are inferring. Nor am I implying what you inferred. I said I took the time and trouble to write a letter and the LV Sun published it. It's easier to criticize another's written and published opinions than to have and write one yourself [that is printed]. Wouldn't you agree?
CarmineD
"And if Hillary runs for president, she will
easily win.
So far, she says she will not run.
If not, Joe Biden will run with John Kerry as
his vice president and clean the clock of any
nut-job republican running against them." @ Teamster
All too old now and will be 4 years older in 2016. Hillary's time was 2008 and Obama's 2016. The Dems blew it. Biden: Send in the clowns. His best role is court jester to the President.
CarmineD
Thanks to the Sun for finally printing my article. To my knowledge, it is the first time the Sun has addressed the issue.
Thanks to all who responded.
After Hillary appears before Congress, or if she doesn't, I may write another letter to the Sun. Hopefully if I do, it will be worthy of the Sun to print, whether it agrees/disagees with my views.
I especially look forward to those here who I suggest write their own opinions, if they are passionate enough, to the Sun for printing. I certainly will respond/comment if I feel the need to do so.
CarmineD
Carmine tried to bluster his way out...
"Tried but didn't. I suggested that these posters make their points. Or, similarly answer their own questions to make the point[s] they want to make. Having done neither, yet, the posters lose."
...Only to make himself look lonely. Poor guy, reality and Carmine are in need of counselling.
Motorsports:
The Sun, mostly to tick us off, prints many letters to the editor from these knuckledraggers.
One would think that giving prominent airing of clearly demented points of view is the purview of Fox News, Townhall.com, etc. The Sun likes to keep these borderline political points of view, like Hillary "has to be publicly flogged" that create a divided country in the letters sections to let it share headlines with actual news stories is, it could be argued, malpractice by the Sun's editors.
Kooks are an interesting part of Americana, but we need to remember, they are kooks, right Carmine?
@ antigov:" Fox is now persuing the John Hammer situation instead"
Typical out of touch Lib: Antigov Fox news and especially Bill O'Reilly were the most important factor in getting the release of Jon Hammar. You like most main stream media followers are weeks behind Fox. Thats generally because you only get to watch what is allowed by your favorite channels. By the way Fox and O'Reilly did what our president and government didn't>
Chuck333:
If O'reilly did something good, bravo, his totality is pretty negative and his tone is not too pleasant. I watched his show about 20 times while at a friends house where they watch those hate Americans and destroy unions shows, boy, anyone who willingly watches that should get therapy. It was awful, squared.
Carmine,
JeffFromVegas said to Carmine, "These two relative newcomers (referring to me and one other poster)have kind of check-mated you here."
You response was "Tried but didn't. I suggested that these posters make their points. Or, similarly answer their own questions to make the point[s] they want to make. Having done neither, yet, the posters lose."
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Kind of a childish response by you, saying that I "lost". Is that what this conversation is about ? Is it just a game with winners and losers ? (I hope you don't mind that I am asking you more questions here).
Actually, I thought I DID make my point, and rather clearly I might add. And, I have also submitted letters to the editor (just as you have), although not on this particular subject. As a matter of fact, I had one published recently by the Las Vegas Sun on 12/28/2011.
So, this is how you responded when I asked you a question about one of your comments. Your exact words, and I quote, were: "I'll decide if and when to do so [answer you]. I don't need your approval/disapproval to do/not do so."
Very true. No one can force you to answer a question if you don't want to. But, I think that shows a lack of courage on your part. You should be willing to stand up for your opinions and defend them when challenged. It's one thing to state an opinion. Anyone can do that. It's quite another thing to DEFEND your opinion. If you are unwilling to do that, then why bother posting your opinions at all ?
You are dancing around this issue like a politician on one of the Sunday morning news shows.
Hillary will be held accountable. She might NEVER AGAIN hold national elected office. Just too much of O. has rubbed off. Bill and H. are playing the party line much toooooo much. Where is the leadership and/or concern for doing what's right?
Marty Stark:
To me, from a purely personal value judgment, the story within the story is always more newsworthy than the story itself. BUT, you have to print the story first, or research it, in order to learn/print the story within.
Hope that answers all your questions to me.
CarmineD
PS: Happy to hear/read you had an article printed recently although your post said 2011. I thought I recognized your name.
"Hillary will be held accountable." @ Roslenda
Hillary to her credit already said she is responsible. She is holding herself accountable. Some criticized her for falling on the sword to save President Obama.
Both are not the story. Her saying she is responsible or falling on the sword for Obama by saying so. The story is that she needs to answer questions in public before Congress about the two government reports about Benghazi. That's what leaders do. They take responsibility, not just say they do.
CarmineD
"@CarmineD I have asked a friend of mine who works in the mental health field to review your rants here. He says he would need to examine you to be sure but based solely on your writings, he thinks that you are deeply disturbed." Motorsports
Of course he would, if he's a friend of yours.
CarmineD
Jeff:
Having lost your king to me many times here in the past, including this one, your game skills are still lacking.
CarmineD
Jeff its not "IF" O'Reilly saved the corporal, he did save him and like I said he did what our government and president failed to do.
"Jeff its not "IF" O'Reilly saved the corporal, he did save him and like I said he did what our government and president failed to do." @ Chuck333
Not just O'Reilly. The Five on Fox stayed on this story too to have Hammer freed by the Mexican courts. And pushed the story that Hillary needed to testify. Within minutes, literally, of them saying so [Hillary must testify] Hillary made a statement through her State Department spokespeople, that she would. You can call it a coincidence in timing. Fine. If that makes you feel ggod, be ecstatic. BUT.... so far Hillary has not and has not set a time to do so. Let's see what she does this week when she is back on the job at State.
CarmineD
Carmine :
I have never lost an argument to you. I have, weirdly enough, agreed with you 3 times since I began your rehabilitation program.
I grow on people, Jeff. Especially my opinions.
CarmineD
Chuck333 says:
"Jeff its not "IF" O'Reilly saved the corporal, he did save him and like I said he did what our government and president failed to do."
I say:
Wow, the pride in which you valiantly offer up the O'Reilly character up as hero and Obama as villain, with Carmine chanting "Yeah Yeah, what he said" could be looked upon as both of you being predisposed to those feelings, but I am sure the feelings you both have for the loofah loving O'Reilly and the president and dems in general are just your patriotism bursting at the seams.
Like I said, if that nasty old critter helped in some way, I am glad he was at least one time a useful idiot, rather than just an idiot.
Jeff:
Surely, you can have nothing but good feelings and praise for the incontrovertible fact that, despise them as you may, O'Reilly and Fox were successful in gaining the American's release and freedom before Christmas. After he spent almost a year chained to a bed incarcerated in a Mexican cell with the full knowledge of the highest levels of the Obama Administration. Am I right? Of course.
CarmineD
Non-Fox media would not be doing their jobs if they were to hold Clinton accountable.
The problem at Benghazi was not due to funding. It was due to inept leadership.
Carmine asks:
"Surely, you can have nothing but good feelings and praise for the incontrovertible fact that, despise them as you may, O'Reilly and Fox were successful in gaining the American's release and freedom before Christmas. "
I say:
I watched the dopes interview with the soldiers father, after the soldier opted out of the interview with the dope.
He (soldier's father) said that his mother was on the phone all day thanking those who helped get the son released.
To call Rupert and the dope would take 10 minutes, not all day.
To the point you make about an Australian and a guy who paid hush money to a woman he could not control himself with (Andrea Mackris) interfering with diplomatic relations between countries, that means -- in your world -- if it had backfired, it would still be Obama's fault and you would have lionized the dope and Rupert for trying.
This has some of the recklessness of the Jesse Jackson entree's onto the world stage. Jesse has been pretty lucky thus far, but all it takes is one...
Wrong, of course again.
And it was (too long anyway) 4 months, not "Almost a year".
"And it was (too long anyway) 4 months, not "Almost a year"." Jeff
I bet it felt more like a lifetime to Hammer.
CarmineD
Carmine says:
"I bet it felt more like a lifetime to Hammer."
I say:
So what did 4 months feel like to John McCain in Viet Nam then?
Try saying it Carmine, I will help you:
"Yeah Jeff, I exaggerated a little bit".
Was that so hard?
If you told the truth more often, you could begin "growing on people" here in a good way, instead of like a fungus.
:)
Carmine,
You said: """To me, from a purely personal value judgment, the story within the story is always more newsworthy than the story itself. BUT, you have to print the story first, or research it, in order to learn/print the story within.
Hope that answers all your questions to me."""
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Actually, it does. Because I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in your comment (above). I can't think of a single question to ask you about it.
So....I guess this means that....you.....win. I suppose it was inevitable, wasn't it ?
"Actually, it does. Because I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in your comment (above). I can't think of a single question to ask you about it.
So....I guess this means that....you.....win. I suppose it was inevitable, wasn't it ?" @ Marty Stark
OK, here's an example of the story within the story.
Around Christmas a young NY police officer was pictured buying and putting socks and boots on a homeless man. Recall? It was a great story. Touched the hearts of all for awhile. Right. What happened?
The family of the homeless man said he has an apartment, steady income and choses at times to live on the streets for whatever reasons. In fact he was soon pictured a few days later all dappered up like a NYC lawyer. The latter was the story within the story. It was more newsworthy than the original IMHO. Again, my personal value judgment. BUT we would not have had it within the original story.
CarmineD
"If you told the truth more often, you could begin "growing on people" here in a good way, instead of like a fungus.
:) " Jeff
I did tell the truth. Hammer's family said it felt like a lifetime.
CarmineD
TAKE responsibility. Stop saying it and TAKE responsibility.
Note to all:
Hillary Clinton announced today that SHE will testify on Benghazi before Congress IN PUBLIC on January 22. Stayed tuned.
CarmineD
trying to make Benghazi a Clinton problem is both wrong and ignorant.When Congress was asked for more money for security for the embassy in Benghazi,they refused. Now you have the right wing nuts out in full force,trying to blame Clinton.This is known as "throwing a rock,and hiding your hand". In other words, it means you're trying to blame someone else for a problem you created.Faux news is infamous for this type of yellow journalism,and most people who listen,or look at Faux news are uninformed,and ignorant.Being ignorant is not a bad thing,it simply means you don't know any better.