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Romney changed — not for the better

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Mitt Romney’s strategy seems to work. It has been to reveal nothing about his taxes, nothing about his dealings with China, ignore the truth, say anything regardless of facts and explain nothing about his plans to reduce the deficit; now he won’t even answer questions about anything until he’s elected. And yet, he’s gone up in the polls (although I don’t believe in polls).

However, his biggest accomplishment has been “changing” from Romney into President Barack Obama. He’s stolen Obama’s identity. He now uses the word “change” in every speech he gives. At the last debate, he agreed with nearly everything Obama said.

It was poetry in motion the way he morphed into Obama. It’s just a shame so many people have fallen for it.

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  1. When your opponent's campaign has largely and successfully painted you as a tax cheat, an evil rich person who doesn't care about anyone but himself and other rich people, someone who caused another person's death, and some one who would pollute the entire planet, is it too hard to imagine that 'war monger' would be added to the list if you proposed a different foreign policy? Come on! The President has run a slash and burn campaign because his record is a tough one to run on.

    What will be sad is if Romney loses to Obama, not because people disagree with him or just love Obama's policies and performance in office, but because a slash and burn campaign made people afraid to vote for what seems like a pretty decent man.

    Michael

  2. One thing you can say about Mitt Romney is that he has range. His political positions have ranged from being more liberal than Ted Kennedy to severe conservatism.

    Romney tells us he has proven his bipartisan leadership as Governor of Massachusetts. Presumably he did this by vetoing 800 bills and having the Legislature override almost all of them, some unanimously. He will tell us that he has already performed an economic miracle in Massachusetts and is now prepared to do tha same for the entire country. Yet, the voters of Massachusetts, ingrates that they are, do not seem to be warming to his presidential aspirations.

    Mitt reminds me of a friend of mine whose favorite line claimed he had only made two mistakes in his life and the second one was admitting the first one.

  3. Governor Romney is about to make another change in less than a week. For the better of the country and Americans. He will become president elect Romney. Then, he can do what candidate for president Obama said he would do in 2008 but didn't, couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't. Hope and change are finally and really here.

    CarmineD

  4. "Mitt reminds me of a friend of mine whose favorite line claimed he had only made two mistakes in his life and the second one was admitting the first one."

    Sounds alot like President Obama. Never made a mistake in his life that he'll admit. Just blames the guy before him.

    CarmineD

  5. The race is almost over, the Republicants have spent millions all for nothing, now we will have listen to them snivel for the next four years.

  6. "However, his biggest accomplishment has been "changing" from Romney into President Barack Obama. He's stolen Obama's identity." (James Witherspoon)

    Bulls-eyes! Woow! Clear eye voters ready to put down this nonsense from Mitt Romney and his supporter.

    Who in their right mind would voter for Mitt Romney? Note for a liar, a distorter of facts, using misleading statement. Who would support such a person?

    Would your pastor tell you to follow a person with Mitt Romney's character flaws? Would you want your children to follow in the foot step of Mitt Romney? Would you, your children? Really?

    James Witherspoon is a majority supporter of the truth, of reasonable action. Saying enough of the dumb stuff.

    Good article Mr. Witherspoon. Good article well said, well said.

    President Obama wins re-election by 6 to 8 points.

  7. Gov. Romney has proven he is the king of flip flopping.If one thing dosen't seem to work in his agenda he flips over to something else.If that something else dosen't work he flops over to another flip.His constant flip flopping makes him the king.

    One has to look no further than the secret video of Gov. Romney calling 47% of the U.S. population moochers and free loaders. This secret video shows who Gov.Romney really is,this is the real man.

    What part of Gov. Romney's speeches should we believe in the flip or the flop.

  8. Longtimevegan and Samspeaks,

    There are no politicians that don't change their views. There are none that keep all the promises they make. There are none that don't lie or cover up when it benefits them. If we use that as a yardstick, we'd have nobody to vote for.

    I understand that you'll both vote for Obama, but can't you justify your vote by telling us what specific things the President is going to do in his 2nd term that you think are great instead of telling us why nobody should vote for Romney?

    If everyone used your yardstick, it would be imposiible to vote for Obama for many reasons, but one very current reason would be Benghazi.

    It's highly likely that President Obama knew of and probably approved the decision to decline to send assistance. That may or may not have been a proper decision. It is also highly likely that the details are well enough known now that somebody from the administration could explain how the decisions made were arrived at. The families of the dead and the American people deserve to know how it all played out. It's also extremely likely that within a day of the attack, the Obama administration knew the attack was a terrorist attack and not a spontaneous demonstration, but claimed it was a spontaneous demonstration for at least two weeks, until so much evidence leaked out that the truth had to be told.

    I don't care that you vote for President Obama, but try to defend your decision by saying why you like what you believe President Obama will do in a 2nd term instead of saying you can't vote for Romney because he lies, when your guy, like all politicians, lies, doesn't keep promises and covers up the truth when it benefits him.

    Please instead tell me exactly and specifically what you think President Obama will do should he win a 2nd term and why you like what that is.

    Michael

  9. Romney has changed so much he doesn't know what he stands for anymore.

  10. @RefNV,

    "Letting 23 million unemployed/under-employed Americans suffer for four years is simply unacceptable." (ReFreeman)

    Leaving core information...again.

    The millions your reference are unemployed because of who and why? But, we know you cannot be honest with the readers of this article, or honest with yourself.

    Let's remind people of your new position:
    ""So from now on, it can be reasonably assumed when reading anything you (ReFreeman) post, be it in your words or from a source you reference, your just providing information that you like, and not necessarily true and clear information. Or not information you truly believe, or information you can explain.""

    Mr. Witherspoon nailed your guy for who and what he is. Lying to the public. Distorting the facts. Using misleading statements to confuse and mislead voters. This is your guy.

    This is the guy that told another big lie about Jeep moving US production from Ohio to China. Your guy, Mitt Romney!

    Two (2) of the largest US car manufactures released statements, using restraint, telling the America public Mitt Romney is lying. That, Mitt Romney is in a alternate universe.

    Your guy, lying and placing fear in minds of Ohio voters. Your guy!

    And, in keeping with Mitt Romney's dishonest campaign, many commentators on this article are proceeding in kind.

    Mr. James Witherspoon nailed it. Your guy, your candidate, is extremely flawed and unworthy of representing the America People as our president.

    President Obama wins re-elections by 6 to 8 points.

  11. @wtplv,

    "I understand that you'll both vote for Obama, but can't you justify your vote by telling us what specific things the President is going to do in his 2nd term that you think are great instead of telling us why nobody should vote for Romney?" (Michael Casler)

    I have read many of your post and you seemed informed to a point.

    Your now saying, you don't know why Mitt Romney has issues and why Mitt Romney will not receive this independent voter support?

    The stock of Casler went down in the reasonable category. Way down. Are you in the bubble, too?

  12. Michael,
    'There are no politicians that don't change their views. You can't justify you vote by telling us why nobody should vote for Romney".

    I agree all politicians lie at one time or another.However I said that Gov. Romney is the king of flip flopping.That means he is the best of all politicians in doing so.

    Second thing I have never tried to tell other voters how to vote.I only stated how I am voting. It is not my intention to try and talk others in voting for Pres.Obama.

    Third thing is I am only responding to what the letter writer has expressed in his letter to the editor. I see from time to time that you also respond to letters to the editor as well.

  13. wtplv - "When your opponent's campaign has largely and successfully painted you as a tax cheat, an evil rich person who doesn't care about anyone but himself and other rich people"

    Romney himself reinforced those notions in that secret video from Florida. It showed what Romney really thinks behind closed doors. He has two faces, one for the public and one for other wealthy people. An issue serious overlooked in that video was his attitude towards the middle east.

    Romney is everything his father wasn't, and I believe he would sell his soul to become president. He has yet to deal with his taxes which for some reason the media dropped, and his latest add about Chrysler moving to China is a bold face lie. Even the CEO of Chrysler publicly disputed Romney's claims. He is pulling a Sharron Angle by dodging questions because he was caught with his pants down concerning FEMA.

  14. President Obama will save Big Bird [PBS], Governor Romney will save the American Eagle [the USA]. Which bird is more important?

    CarmineD

  15. Longtimevegan, Samspeaks, Vernos.

    It's always the same. I ask specifically why you will vote to re-elect President Obama; what specific programs and proposals he has that you feel make you want to vote for him.... and I never get an answer. Instead I get.... I won't vote for Romney because.....

    I'll ask again. I know why you won't vote for Romney. I question your reasons but that really isn't the important point. I am honestly curious...are you voting for Obama because you like what he will do in a 2nd term, if you even have any idea what that will be, or are you voting for him because he isn't Romney?

    Read the article by Richard Cohen. That's an honest article. He is very disappointed in Obama, as are many people who voted for him and unlike most of you, he is willing to state his disappointment. He will vote for Obama because he thinks R's are robber barons that will loot the treasury.

    I disagree about casting R's as robber barons but I can respect the man because he is willing to admit his disappointment with Obama. Is that true for you three as well but you just can't bring yourself to say anything negative about Obama or are you really satisfied with what he has done and approve of what you think he will do in a 2nd term?

    And just to put this to rest. I do not spend my time and effort writing to the Sun in an effort to change your vote. I know that is impossible. I do it because I am a curious person; I like to debate and I honestly want to understand how people reason and come to decisions. I find it extremely interesting. That's probably why I took logic and psychology classes in college and considered becoming a psychologist.

    Michael

  16. Obama is just a breath away from four more years in the White House, but have you wondered what others who were born in socialist countries but now live in the United States feel about Obama? Have a look at the answer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vzh-9LBDs...

    Text of video:

    "It's one of the more personal ads of the 2012 campaign.
    But no presidential campaign or super PAC is behind it. Rather, a new TV ad and Web video that warns of the ills of socialism while urging America to vote Republican next month is financed by Hungarian-born billionaire Thomas Peterffy.

    In the video, Peterffy recalls his childhood under socialism in Hungary, and says, "The nation became poorer and poorer. And that's what I see happening here." He warns that the United States, his adopted country, is embarking on a "slippery slope."
    He continues: "America's wealth comes from the efforts of people striving for success. Take away their incentive with badmouthing success and you take away the wealth that helps us take care of the needy. Yes, in socialism the rich will be poorer -- but the poor will also be poorer. People will lose interest in really working hard and creating jobs."
    The ad does not mention President Obama or Mitt Romney once. But in a campaign season where Obama is often accused by Republicans of attacking the wealthy, the target is apparent. Peterffy reportedly plans to spend millions to air the ad in the weeks before Election Day.
    Peterffy -- though not as prominent as perhaps the most famous Hungarian-born billionaire, George Soros -- is the founder of Interactive Brokers and one of the richest people in this country. Forbes lists his net worth at $4.6 billion. He's contributed freely over the years to mostly Republican candidates, including to Romney in his last two presidential campaigns. And he gave more than $60,000 to the Republican National Committee last year.
    Born in Hungary in 1944, Peterffy left for the United States in 1965. In America, he learned English and eventually launched Interactive Brokers in 1993. He lives in Greenwich, Conn."

  17. Michael,

    These are the reasons I already voted for Obama:

    1- our infrastructure needs rebuilding
    2- Obama's use of drones and the military, attempting to keep our troops out of combat
    3- his interaction with other nations which brought them closer, repairing the Bush years
    4- taxing the wealthiest who are the only ones to gain from the drastic effect they've had on the middle class
    5- Obama would deny subsidies to big oil and companies outsourcing American jobs
    6- Obama does not deny climate change
    7- he believes in green energy
    8- he believes in equal rights discarding sexism, racism and xenophobia
    9- Obama comes from the working class and can relate to common people
    10- he isn't a fearmongering chicken hawk
    11- won't tax the working class to fund $2 trillion in military spending
    12- helped with college student loans and grants
    13- won't cut funding to public education
    14- he didn't talk smack about killing Bin Laden and did it, along with dozens of Al Qaeda and Talliban leaders
    15- he is steady and doesn't rattle easily, weighing out solutions instead of jumping the shark

    etc., etc., etc.

  18. Michael,

    "It's always the same.I ask specifically why you will vote to re-elect Pres.Obama and I never get a answer".
    You and I do not correspond very much maybe once a month.So when you say it's always the same I never get a answer.That does not fit what you and I have ever talked about in past posts.

    You can't accuse me of telling other voter's how to vote.When I have never done so.If you want your questions answered perhaps you should clarify your remarks about me with proof. Than I may give you a answer your looking for.

  19. Carmine,
    " Pres. Obama will save big bird (PBS).Gov. Romney will save the American Eagle(USA).Which bird is more important".

    Actually I believe Pres.Obama will save both birds,not just big bird. Pres.Obama's approach on fixing the damage caused by former Pres.G.W. Bush will take some time.If you don't think so, Rep. Paul Ryan's plan calls for 28 years to balance the budget. No easy solutions are there?

  20. Sam,

    Where did I accuse you of telling others how to vote? I said I am not trying to do that. I didn't say you were. The comment was addressed to you, Vernos and Longtimevegan. All three of you as well as many others on both sides tend to say why you don't support the other guy rather than why you do support the guy you support.

    Vernos did answer so I will respond to him. I hope you will answer as well.

    Michael

  21. People should not be so hard on Romney. The great thing about him is if you don't like where he stands on an issue this week, Romney will probably change position next week (if he thinks that's what people want to hear).

  22. Vernos,

    1- our infrastructure needs rebuilding..... I guess you are ok with the fact that 'shovel ready jobs were not shovel ready' and most of the 800 billion dollar stimulus did not end up going to needed infrastructure projects.

    2- Obama's use of drones and the military, attempting to keep our troops out of combat .... I agree with that.

    3- his interaction with other nations which brought them closer, repairing the Bush years... We are NOT closer to other nations. Many people hate us and always will, despite what a President does or doesn't do.

    4- taxing the wealthiest who are the only ones to gain from the drastic effect they've had on the middle class.... I don't disagree that the wealthy should pay more... but it is foolish to ignore the fact that we all will need to pay more to bring down the debt.

    5- Obama would deny subsidies to big oil and companies outsourcing American jobs... Oil companies make huge profits but it is because of the volume they sell, not because their profit per barrel of oil is excessive.

    6- Obama does not deny climate change - I think people on both sides (not zealots on either side) have valid arguments on this issue.

    7- he believes in green energy - government should be investing in green energy 'research', not funding private 'retail' green energy companies.

    8- he believes in equal rights discarding sexism, racism and xenophobia ... and Mitt Romney and most R's don't?

    9- Obama comes from the working class and can relate to common people - He's rich, like Romney. Why can one rich man relate and another cannot?

    10- he isn't a fearmongering chicken hawk... And Romney is? By what evidence?

    11- won't tax the working class to fund $2 trillion in military spending ... Romney has said no raising taxes. Is he lying, like the first Bush? Do you really think Obama is not going to have to raise taxes on the middle class? PLEASE!!

    12- helped with college student loans and grants... his taking the government out of student loans was overdue and good for him for doing it...but students are still going broke trying to pay for college.

    13- won't cut funding to public education... funding is not the problem. Too much spent on admin and admin salaries, not enough on paying teachers and a broken societal fabric is what's wrong in education. I used to work in schools and I have seen the problem. There is enough money; it is allocated horribly.

    14- he didn't talk smack about killing Bin Laden and did it, along with dozens of Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders... he deserves and has been given credit for that.

    15- he is steady and doesn't rattle easily, weighing out solutions instead of jumping the shark... and of course Romney would jump the shark...by what evidence do you know this?

    I'm sure you could and would rip into my reasons for supporting Romney, but I appreciate you providing your rational for supporting President Obama.
    Michael

  23. Michael,

    You asked and I gave answers. If you don't like my answers so be it. Attempting to pick them apart won't change my vote or attitude towards Romney. He will say anything, at any time, to whoever he believes will vote for him. When Jon Huntsman said Romney was a well oiled weather vane he wasn't joking.

  24. Michael,

    Your post at 8:31A.M.addressed to longtimevegan and myself.On the second collum at the bottom your words."Instead of telling us why nobody should vote for Romney".I never have told anyone one way or the who they should vote for.

    Also your post 8:31A.M. addressed to longtimevegan,Vernos,and myself.Also your words "It's always the same.I ask specifically why you will vote to re-elect Pres. Obama and I never get a answer".This is the first time you have ever asked me specifically about Pres. Obama.If you have asked the other 2 gentlemen that question many times and didn't get an answer that's different.It should not have included me.

    Like I have said in my last post you and I have not had many conversations in past posts.

  25. To James Witherspoon, very good article.

    You stress two things that appear to many as warning signs and decrease trust in Romney,

    1. His secrecy, and lack of transparency, his unwillingness to answer questions by the media, perhaps due to his many gaffs and mistatements.

    2. His inability to be sincere and stand on his own policies, without flip flopping or morphing into someone or something he previously opposed.

    I noticed early on that he didn't want to reveal very much for fear that he would be proven wrong by his opposition.

    I also noticed that as Obama revealed more, Romney frequently adopted whatever it was for himself, while at the same time attacking Obama for his position.

    It is quite astounding that he has been successful in fooling some people so completely.

    There is a word for what Romney does, usurp.

    "A usurper is an illegitimate or controversial claimant to power, often but not always in a monarchy. This may include a person who succeeds in establishing himself as a monarch without inheriting the throne or any other person exercising authority unconstitutionally."

    We have seen Romney the "Usurper" in general and in very specific situations related to foreign affairs/policy, usually with substantial lack of diplomacy, and many of Obama's policies that get peoples support.

    What you describe as "stealing Obama's identity" is really a good example of a Usurper.

    However, Romney doesn't succeed because he lacks authenticity, integrity and true leadership that requires so much more than being the "boss".

    Unfortunately for Romney, the American people have seen two true leaders in action in President Obama(D) and Governor Chris Christi(R) during a national disaster. The authenticity of both leaders as leaders became clear, as well as their ability to respond to the needs of all the people with empathy and compassion. It was so good to see partisanship buried. I feel so proud of both of these men. I wish it would spread and become the norm.

    Honestly, my heart and thoughts are not very much on politics or Romney, as they are with all the people who are in such duress and loss from Sandy.

    I will say we are beginning to see the sunrise in our recovery from the global economic crisis. I hope we can continue under the steady and thoughtful leadership of President Obama who has proven himself in many ways to my satisfaction.

    I hope we don't end up with a Despot President & Congress in Romney and the Tea/Republicans, evident by their actions, attitudes, plans and words, as well as their allegiance to the non-elected Grover Norquist, over the citizens of the nation.

  26. Obama lied and people died!

  27. "Actually I believe Pres.Obama will save both birds,not just big bird. Pres.Obama's approach on fixing the damage caused by former Pres.G.W. Bush will take some time.If you don't think so, Rep. Paul Ryan's plan calls for 28 years to balance the budget. No easy solutions are there?"

    Big difference, Mr. Pizzo. Rep Ryan has the experience in the House to know and issue a plan for the country. Then junior Senator Obama from Illinois, who served half time and voted present for the other half, did not. Obama made sweeping promises about what he would do. But he couldn't, wouldn't, shouldn't, didn't. 4 years is long enough to know President Obama is in over his head and so are the US and us, as a result. Governor Romney-Rep Ryan are the best option.

    CarmineD

  28. Carmine,
    "Gov,Romney-Rep.Ryan are the best".

    I don't think so. In today's news Obama widens lead in all of Nevada 52% for Obama,46% for Romney by early voter's.Obama is leading in Clark county 53%-42%.

    A recent poll put out by,www.270towin.com/2012-polls/. Has Obama 217 electoral votes,and Romney with 191 electoral votes,and 146 undecided electoral votes. Early indications are a Pres. Obama big win.

    Please don't tell me today's polls don't count only the poll on Nov.6th.counts.The voting mode of the country is in plain sight for everyone to see.Pres.Obama is clearly ahead,polls do count.

  29. "Please don't tell me today's polls don't count only the poll on Nov.6th.counts."

    Don't have to Mr. Pizzo. You said it very well for me. It's just as true when you say it as when I do. Thank you.

    CarmineD

  30. "Ryan's 'plan' is to block grant Medicare."

    Excellent idea. I totally agree. Having had experience with 3 separate block grants at the Federal level, I know first hand that most states prefer them to the Federal government bureaucracy for administering the programs and funds. And it saves the Federal government costs for salaries and overhead that can be turned back into the block grant.

    CarmineD

  31. Carmine,

    "Please don"t tell me that today's polls don't count. Only the poll on Nov.6th.counts".

    I'm glad that you agree with me that current polls do count,and it's good that you and I finally agree on something.Yes all polls do count and make up for the end result.Thank You

  32. Mr. Pizzo:

    You like to take care of both sides of the conversation.

    CarmineD

  33. Carmine,
    Mr Pizzo:

    "You like to take care of both sides of the conversation".

    This is something I learned from you.Thank you.

  34. Up to how, I still have not gotten a rebuttal from Carmine and Michael about:

    1. Why doesn't Romney show his tax returns? His father did.

    2. Why does Romney go left, right, and center depending on who is listening?

    3. Why does he fudge the truth?

    Don't answer me with attacks on Obama because I already know your position on that.

    From what I can gauge, you two are the only intelligent posters from the right. I would really want to know how you justify that to yourselves.

    Simply put, I want to understand you.

  35. "This is something I learned from you.Thank you."

    Your welcome. You make an excellent student.

    CarmineD

  36. "From what I can gauge, you two are the only intelligent posters from the right. "

    I can only speak for me. I'm an independent and slightly left of center according to tests that gauge such matters. I have no party affiliation. I have been all my adult life and voting record. I vote for the best candidate, nationally, state, and local, as long as they are not primaries. Then I can't and don't.

    CarmineD

  37. Carmine,

    "You make a excellent student"

    Thank you again,that is the only compliment I have ever receivced from you. Are you changing somewhat?

  38. Carmine,

    Don't block grants leave everything up to the states on how the program is operated, what is covered, eligibility, payment scales, etc.?

    How is the block grant distributed? Equal for all states, based on population?

    Is there a potential for inequity between states?

    Would any inequity result in less money available for vouchers in some states and more money available for vouchers in other states?

    How would this inequality effect the level of insurance coverage between the variations in grant block allowances if based on population?

    Would the Federal government still maintain say over minimum standards, cost controls, quality care criteria in a block grant program? Or would that be left up to the private insurance company the patient uses the voucher to purchase coverage from?

  39. All excellent questions, let me answer:

    "Don't block grants leave everything up to the states on how the program is operated, what is covered, eligibility, payment scales, etc.?"

    No, the States have to follow the Federal guidelines for the Block Grant Program. Subject to both State and Federal Audits, usually unannounced.

    "How is the block grant distributed? Equal for all states, based on population?"

    Distributed daily. Daily! The States dial into a Federal payment system operated, or at least use to, in Bethesda Maryland. They can draw down their cash needs within predetermined limits and built in system checks. If they need more, there are features for a waiver to receive more. The Feds deposit the funds in the States' banks the same day.

    "Is there a potential for inequity between states?"

    All States are treated the same, just the amounts of program funds and draw downs differ based on the States' size and eligibility.

    "Would any inequity result in less money available for vouchers in some states and more money available for vouchers in other states?"

    There are no vouchers. These are cash drawdowns from the Feds [US Treasury] to the States' banks.

    "How would this inequality effect the level of insurance coverage between the variations in grant block allowances if based on population?"

    There is no inequality in how the States receive and spend their funds. All States are subject to the same rules. Just a difference in how much they are eligible to receive and draw down.

    "Would the Federal government still maintain say over minimum standards, cost controls, quality care criteria in a block grant program?"

    Yes. The States submit electronic monthly reports [sometimes weekly if they are a large state] on line to the Feds with the amounts they drew down, disbursed, and how much Federal cash is still on hand and not spent. If too much cash is on hand, the Feds will not allow States to draw down any more until the cash on hand is spent. Usually States are allowed to maintain a 3 day cash on hand balance. States have to show the interest they earned on the Fed funds AND reduce draw downs of future cash by the interest earned on the Fed cash. States are also subject to State and Federal audits which are unannounced and rigorous. The Offices Of the Inspector General in the Agencies administering the Block Grants are responsible for performing the audits. The audits are conducted on site.

    " Or would that be left up to the private insurance company the patient uses the voucher to purchase coverage from?"
    Nothing is left up to anyone else."

    The Feds run the Block Grants amd oversee the operations from beginning to end.

    Hope that assists.

    CarmineD

  40. Peacelily:

    I should have mentioned too, because it is important, that the Federal system that makes the payments is also subject to audit by the IG's of the Agencies whose programs, like Block Grants, are funded through it.

    Back in the 70's the system was used for grants payments for the National Institutes of Health [NIH] in Bethesda Maryland. It was called the Grants Payment System [GPS] In the late 70's and early 80's, the system was expanded to fund all Health and Human Service and Department of Education funds and also several State Block Grant progams. It became know as the Payment Management System [PMS]. In the 90's and 2000's the PMS was further expanded and ALL OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES which disburse funds, EXCEPT SS AND MEDICAID AND MEDICARE, were added to the PMS. Obviously it has been a proven payment and reporting mechanism over all these years and with all the changes.

    CarmineD

  41. It's never too late to change Sam. Even for you.

    CarmineD

  42. Thank you very much, Carmine. The information you gave is very educational. I appreciate the time you took to explain.

    I do see some problems with the available funds being different for each state.

    Also, the waivers make me think of states making adjustments of some kind in benefits, or borrowing money from the Feds. This could lead to inequality of benefits, and/or increased state taxes to pay down the debt from any borrowing from the Fed. government.

    I admit I go way back in time remembering the terrible inequalities between the states in healthcare, and I sure wouldn't want to see that again.

    There were problems of people relocating just to have benefits, and the state I was in bought them a bus ticket back to where they came from.

    My mention of vouchers comes from the Medicare ideas that Romney mentioned, vouchers to pay a portion of the private insurance premium, and block grants.

    I admit that I don't have a clear idea of what Romney intends, even after trying to find out.

  43. You're welcome.

    "I do see some problems with the available funds being different for each state."

    That's a result of States being eligible for different amounts. They are not all equal although some like California and NY may be close in their yearly funds.

    "Also, the waivers make me think of states making adjustments of some kind in benefits, or borrowing money from the Feds. This could lead to inequality of benefits, and/or increased state taxes to pay down the debt from any borrowing from the Fed. government."

    Waivers are a built in system mechanism. For example, with Sandy many states have been closed and not drawing down. Once back on line, they will have a need to draw down the funds in arrears and current funds. Without waivers, that must be approved at the Federal level {Payment Management System], the States would be unable to do so.

    "I admit I go way back in time remembering the terrible inequalities between the states in healthcare, and I sure wouldn't want to see that again."

    Block grants are different. The amounts are fixed and known upfront. The drawdowns by States are determimned daily, weekly and monthly to allow States to disburse the funds consistently throughout the year for their own needs.

    "There were problems of people relocating just to have benefits, and the state I was in bought them a bus ticket back to where they came from."

    It happens. No system is perfect. The intent is to minimize the abuse.

    "My mention of vouchers comes from the Medicare ideas that Romney mentioned, vouchers to pay a portion of the private insurance premium, and block grants."

    I have heard that since my retirement the Payment Management System in Bethesda Maryland may have accepted Medicaid [Not Medicare] into its system for payouts to States. I haven't been able to verify that for sure yet.

    "I admit that I don't have a clear idea of what Romney intends, even after trying to find out."

    We'll find out soon enough perhaps.

    CarmineD

  44. Carmine,
    "It's never to late to change Sam. Even for you".

    I have to admit that I have changed my thinking. For the first time in 44 years as a Republican. I am voting for Pres.Obama who is a Democrat. That's a big change for me.

  45. Well Sam, I can only say not all change is good. Knowing the difference is the hard part.

    CarmineD

  46. FWIW Sam, my dear wife and I have been married 40 years. She is a die hard democrat and voted for democratic presidents in all the presidential elections for 40 years. Not this year.

    CarmineD