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President Barack Obama listens as Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney speaks during the third presidential debate at Lynn University, Monday, Oct. 22, 2012, in Boca Raton, Fla.
Published Monday, Oct. 22, 2012 | 9:54 p.m.
Updated Monday, Oct. 22, 2012 | 10 p.m.
President Barack Obama and his Republican challenger Mitt Romney met Monday night for the last of three nationally televised debates — offering their closing arguments in what is promising to be a fight-to-the-finish election season.
The candidates traded several tongue lashings about where they believed the other had or would have undermined America on a global stage. But the sharply worded exchanges actually revealed more about where the two men agree on foreign policy than where they differ.
The similarities started when the two men shared their visions of what America’s role is in the world.
“America must lead. And for that to happen we have to strengthen the American economy here at home,” Romney said.
“America remains the one indispensable nation,” Obama said, arguing that America is stronger now than when he came into office. "It’s very hard for us to project leadership around the world when we’re not doing what we need to (at home).”
Next, they took on the most critical foreign policy challenge of the moment: Iran’s march toward a nuclear weapon. But again, they agreed more than they disagreed.
“It’s essential for us to understand what our mission is in Iran, and that is to dissuade Iran from having a nuclear weapon through peaceful and diplomatic means,” Romney said, stressing that the United States had to stage a “credible” military threat to Iran but pledging to “tighten” sanctions.
“Crippling sanctions are something I’d called for five years ago,” Romney said.
Obama took the opportunity to ridicule Romney for restating his own administration’s policy toward Iran.
“Our goal is to get Iran to realize it needs to give up its nuclear program,” Obama said, before taking a swipe at Romney. “You’d do the same things we did, but you’d say it louder and somehow that would make a difference?”
And that was the rub of this debate, as the candidates bickered around the margins of most global issues, disagreeing on nuance but not on the core substance of how the United States ought to approach its foreign policy challenges in a time of dramatic global changes.
The debate focused heavily on matters concerning the greater Middle East, from the Israel-Iran crisis to a comparison of U.S. policy in Libya, where the U.S. led a coalition that helped to topple a dictator, and Syria, where a civil conflict over a dictator’s tenure has begun to spill across the border.
It was on this latter topic that they traded some of their best jabs.
“The 1980s are calling to ask for their foreign policy back,” Obama told Romney after he criticized the Obama administration’s approach to the uprisings, and their aftermath, in the Middle East. “I know you haven’t been in a position to actually execute foreign policy, but every time you’ve offered an opinion, you’ve been wrong.”
“Attacking me is not an agenda,” Romney calmly retorted.
Romney spent much of the debate trying to assume the role of peacemaker in his approach to both Obama and to the world’s problems.
“I’m optimistic about the future. I want to see growing peace in this country,” Romney said in his closing argument.
At times, the tactic made him seem downright dovish in comparison to the president.
When Obama described China as both “a potential partner” and “an adversary” Romney leapt on the terminology, coming back to correct the president with a softer tone toward China.
“We can be a partner with China,” Romney said. “We don't have to be an adversary in any way, shape or form.”
That was surprising, given Romney has spent most of the campaign saying the president needed to get tougher on China.
When Obama said he was proud of having acted alone in Pakistan to kill Osama bin Laden, despite having upset the Pakistanis in the process, Romney advised him that “it’s not time to divorce a nation on earth that has a hundred nuclear weapons and is on the way to double that at some point.”
The remark was notable in light of the fact that some Republican lawmakers are advocating cutting off Pakistan’s foreign aid over the soured relationship.
“I congratulate (Obama) on taking on Osama bin Laden and going after the leadership of al-Qaida,” Romney also said during the debate, surmising that it was “the right thing to do.”
“But we can’t kill our way out of this mess,” he added.
It was almost as if Romney had heard the Obama campaign’s presumptions about his foreign policy, which one top Obama adviser described to the Sun as “more sabre-rattling than Bush,” and Obama described during Monday’s debate as “wrong and reckless leadership that is all over the map.”
Romney even tried to admonish the president for not doing enough to strengthen America’s relationships with its allies and build relationships with the new pro-democracy players in Iran and the Middle East.
“We are playing the leadership role,” Obama said, with a hint of exasperation. “We organized the Friends of Syria, we are mobilizing humanitarian support and support for the opposition.
“It’s because we got everybody to agree that Iran is seeing so much pressure [to give up ambitions for a nuclear weapon],” Obama added later. “And we’ve got to maintain that pressure.”
The candidates never ran out of words to express their surface-level disagreement on the various foreign policy issues. But at several points, the candidates appeared to tire of the topic of the night.
Thirty-two minutes in, Obama made the first move away from foreign policy, pivoting from his assertion that America is strongest abroad when it is strong at home to start talking about clean energy, his Buffett-rule based tax plan, and education instead.
Romney happily followed suit, talking about small businesses, his time as governor of Massachusetts, and his disdain for Obama’s health care law.
They argued over the Detroit auto industry bailout as well.
Eventually, moderator Bob Schieffer yanked the conversation back to foreign policy via a discussion of the budget and scheduled cuts to the Defense Department, known as sequestration.
Sequestration is one of the most partisan, divisive issue plaguing Congress, save for perhaps the more philosophical split the parties have over how to reform the tax code.
But even here, the candidates were at a loss to tap into any deeply substantive disagreement.
“I will not cut our military budget by a trillion dollars,” Romney said.
“[The sequester] is something Congress has proposed,” Obama said, deflecting Romney’s finger-pointing. “It will not happen.”
The candidates’ tendency to agree as they argued rendered this debate a less-than-ideal showing for undecided voters in search of a watershed moment to make up their minds. Wooing those voters remains an all-important task for both candidates: An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released the day before the debate showed Obama and Romney tied, each with 47 percent of the vote.
But — at least on the national stage — the election ends here nonetheless. From this point forward, the candidates will pound the pavement — including the streets of Las Vegas and Henderson in the next few days — but they will not have another opportunity to address each other or the entire country through a similar televised forum again.
Here are the final words they chose to leave voters with:
“We’ve been through tough times but we always bounce back because of our character, because we pull together,” Obama said. “If I have the privilege of being your president for another four years, I promise you I will always listen to your voices, I will fight for your families and I will work every single day to make sure that America continues to be the greatest nation on earth.”
“We need strong leadership. I’d like to be that leader, with your support. I’ll work with you. I’ll lead you in an open and honest way. And I ask for your vote,” said Romney, who won a coin toss for the opportunity to speak last. “I’d like to be the next president of the United States to support and help this great nation, and to make sure that we all together maintain America as the hope of the earth.”







Game, Set, Match!
President Obama will win re-election by 6 to 8 points.
Tonight Romney again proved he can be a major player in Foreign Policy. Romney also showed he is not a warmonger as Obama repeatedly asserted. Romney is about peace through strength. Romney is for tough diplomacy with no apology.
Romney said "We can not kill our way out"
Romney clearly is weak on foreign policy as displayed in the debate tonight. Romney lacks diplomacy, comes across as a dictator, very dangerous to promoting peace.
Romney's obsession with a nuclear Iran brings back memories of Bush's nationwide tour of WMD's in Iraq. If Romney wins I believe we will see the same nationwide tour to take us to war with Iran.
Romney keeps claiming he was a successful governor. If that were true he would be polling to win his home state of Massachusetts. The people of Massachusetts are overwhelmingly for Obama. Reagan won California in 1980. That should be very telling about his governing.
Obama showed a thorough knowledge of foreign policy and eloquently spoke of the successes and failures during the past 4 years and a forwards vision of focusing on nation building at home while keeping our military strong and prepared.
It was really great to hear Romney agree with Obama's foreign policy on so many issues!
Bill says "Romney clearly is weak on foreign policy as displayed in the debate tonight. Romney lacks diplomacy, comes across as a dictator, very dangerous to promoting peace."
Really lame comment
Romney had the best answer on China by far.
Obama attempted to bait Romney all night and failed
Obama failed to even once be able to call Romney a warmonger which was his primary objective.
Peace says "It was really great to hear Romney agree with Obama's foreign policy on so many issues!"
Actually It was really great to hear Romney and Obama agree with America's foreign policy on so many issues! There is clear continuity with Regean, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama
The biggest laugh I had was Romney accusing Obama of attacking him. LOL
I guess he has a severe memory problem, forgetting that he has been consistently doing that in all of the debates.
Yes, Future, Romney changed his position on foreign policy again.
@Future,
"Actually It was really great to hear Romney and Obama agree with America's foreign policy on so many issues!" (Future)
No actually, it is great to hear Mitt Romney agree with President Obama on the President's foreign policy. Did you forget, the President sets foreign policy. The President. President Barack Obama, the Commander in Chief. Just a friendly reminder.
Don't get it twisted my friend. President Obama displayed his presidential credential tonight. As he has always done!
President Obama wins re-election by 6 to 8 points.
Long - You are right about that Obama policy problem that got the Ambassador in Libya That was not Romney
WOW! WOW! WOW!
PRESIDENT OBAMA TOOK ROMNEY TO SCHOOL ON FOREIGN
POLICY AND THE ECONOMY!
CNN POLL........
OBAMA 48%
romney 40%
Yes, President Obama won the last debate with
no problem.
Obama said romney's plan will add 7 trillion to
the deficit without a way to pay it
The romney math doesn't add up.
VOODOO REPUBLICAN ECONOMICS, AGAIN!!!
And the biggest whopper lie that romney told was
about GM and CHRYSLER.
Obama flattened romney on that lie.
Romney looked like a fool!
FOUR MORE YEARS FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!
President Obama body-slammed romney.
Not even close!!!
Dear folks
Poor Mitt . He has one from flip flopping, to lying,to Romnesia and now he has dementia.
Like MR. T always said....
I pity the fool!
Romney went down hard!
Romney never knew what hit him tonight. If Obama loses election it will be because of the racists in the south. Obama is the most talented president since Bill Clinton.
Romney is chameleon who doesn't know what he is up against. Tonight was godzilla vs captain flipflop.
The SUN poll....
OBAMA 78%
romney 19%
WOW!!!
Jeff, right-on man!
Jeff, "racists in the south". Nice man. Thanks for playing your ignorance card.
I am appalled by you insinuation that the only reason Obama can lose is because of racists. Way to develop a losers limp for Obama.
Your ignorant, sad and pathetic statement leads me to conclude you know Obama lost the debate and therefore you are digging for excuses.
Very sad, but considering the source appropriate.
@Future,
"Long - You are right about that Obama policy problem that got the Ambassador in Libya That was not Romney." (Future)
Future, Future, still in the Bubble. Your statement places Mitt Romney in agreement with the President. Mitt Romney did say he agrees with the President.
Oh well. Pulling short hairs does not accomplish anything.
Sorry, Future, I refuse to enter the Bubble with you.
President wins re-election by 6 to 8 points.
Heretic......
Get real man.
The SUN poll is now....
OBAMA 82%
romney 15%
romney got crushed.
It's over.
Hey future......
Obama whipped romney and no teleprompter.
Teamster, that poll is as worthless as your constant cheer leading.
You really need to get out more often. The pablum that you constantly push is nauseating.
Heretic.....
Did you even watch the debate?
romney lost BIG TIME and PRESIDENT OBAMA WAS
AWESOME!
That republican kool-aid stops your thinking.
romney can start packing his bags.
President Obama said flatly that sequestration "will not happen"......
Snap Polls: Who won the final debate?
CBS: Obama 53% Romney 24%
CNN: Obama 48% Romney 40&
Obama played to his base and won at the tactical level, but he failed to enunciate a policy for the next four years other than more the same. And "the same" isn't working -- it will just lead to growing debt, deficit, unemployment, and conflict (with salafism/AQ, Iran, narco-terrorists, you name it). Obama's going the wrong way and we'd all be better off jumping off the crazy train while we can!
SUN poll now.....
OBAMA 84%
romney 14%
Obama pulled away like a frieght train.
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS THE MAN!!!
NLV.....
That Obama train is running circles around old
man romney.
The Obama plan is working great.
We're not stupid.
We're not going back to those same republican
plans that destroyed our economy.
THEY ALREADY FAILED!
Why Mitt Romney is Unlikable!
A lot is being said in the media about Mitt Romney not being "likable" or that he doesn't "relate well" to people. Frankly, we struggled to understand why. So after much research, we have come up with a Top Ten List to explain this "unlikablility."
Top Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney:
1. Drop-dead, collar-ad handsome with gracious, statesmanlike aura. Looks like every central casting's #1 choice for Commander-in-Chief.
2. Been married to ONE woman his entire life, and has been faithful to her, including through her bouts with breast cancer and MS.
3. No scandals or skeletons in his closet. (How boring is that?)
4. Can't speak in a fake, southern, "black preacher voice" when necessary.
5. Highly intelligent. Graduated cum laude from both Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School...and by the way, his academic records are NOT sealed.
6. Doesn't smoke or drink alcohol, and has never done drugs, not even in the counter-culture age when he went to college. Too square for today's America?
7. Represents an America of "yesterday", where people believed in God, went to Church, didn't screw around, worked hard, and became a SUCCESS!
8. Has a family of five great sons...and none of them have police records or are in drug rehab. But of course, they were raised by a stay-at-home mom, and that "choice" deserves America's scorn.
9. Oh yes.....he's a MORMON. We need to be very afraid of that very strange religion that teaches its members to be clean-living, patriotic, fiscally conservative, charitable, self-reliant, and honest.
10. And one more point.....pundits say because of his wealth, he can't relate to ordinary Americans. I guess that's because he made that money HIMSELF.....as opposed to marrying it or inheriting it from Dad. Apparently, he didn't understand that actually working at a job and earning your own money made you unrelatable to Americans.
My goodness, it's a strange world, isn't it?
@get_involved
"Top Ten Reasons To Dislike Mitt Romney"(Bill Nelson)
Bill many people agree with your list relating to humor. Many people would agree the list does not apply to being commander-in-chief. I know you didn't say commander-in-chief, but your top ten list seems to be an excuse for Romney not being accepted as presidential material.
Your comments on #10, about "he can't relate" rings true my friend. Many people will disagree with your final thoughts on #10.
Bill Nelson......
You didn't mention the real number one reason
to not like romney.
ROMNEY'S POLICIES ARE WORSE THAN GEORGE BUSH'S.
We're keeping President Obama!
AND the SUN poll is now....
OBAMA 86%
romney 12%
YES, a crashing blow from a big Obama hand sent
romney to the canvas.
romney was down for the count.
romney saw stars.
romney got knocked out!
Romney's style of enumerating his plans thus:
1 ----, 2. ------, 3. ----- etc. left me wondering why he keeps doing it. His five-point plan has been debunked several time because the math does not work! It is a great strategy if what follows were solid arguments, but they were lame, elementary, and unsupportable!
The Congressional Budget Office has said repealing Obamacare will create a $109 billion deficit! Yet, he kept repeating his stance on it. Is it because many republicans want to repeal it and he wants to keep their votes? Pandering?
His arguments are sodded with a lack of a thorough knowledge of foreign relations, defense, and the inner workings of the presidency. He reminds me of my teenagers who talked like they know everything!
He keeps touting his experience as a businessman. Golly, if a businessman runs the country, we will all be in big trouble. There is a world of difference between running a business where what you say goes because you are the BOSS. Running a country has built-in checks and balances and the BOSS does not always get what he wants.
Again, lame argument.
If Americans can watch that debate...
and listen to Mitt Romney
and watch Mitt Romney
and have a comprehension of the facts
and have an idea as to what makes the world go 'round
and STILL can go to the polls and vote 'R' for President in large enough numbers to make him seem credible;
there is something SERIOUSLY MESSED UP with America.
If his 'home state' won't have him
and his 'adopted state' won't have him
Heck, the Salt Lake Tribune...(my God!!! The Salt Lake Tribue!!!) has endorsed President Obama over Mitt the 'Mormon Bishop'...
Why in the World should AMERICA have him???
Mr. Romney is a lying, conniving hypocrite,
and has no business anywhere NEAR the White House Oval Office.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-j-og...
It was a good night for me last night.
Chicago beat Detroit 13-7 on Monday Night Football. DAH BEARZ!
And Obama nailed Romney to the wall. Final score Obama 87, Romney 3.
Obama/Biden 2012!
Romney/Ryan 1040s! Cough 'em up. The American voters still want to find out why you are going to unbelievable lengths to hide something.
<<1. Drop-dead, collar-ad handsome with gracious, statesmanlike aura. Looks like every central casting's #1 choice for Commander-in-Chief>>
And Central Casting's #1 choice for Cialis/Viagra print and TV commercials and Hair Color for Men. Or the guy who gift wraps a $50,000 car with that Big Red Bow as a Christmas present for his wife.
@janenolan:
Get a life. Quit reading all those books about Obama that are so far out there that they tend to lean towards being "comedies" more than the truth.
Obama looked like he was awake last night. I'll bet he even attended his security brief earlier in the day.
Romney got schooled! He's not prepared to be POTUS!
President Obama said flatly that sequestration "will not happen"......
This adds to my all ready firmly held belief that the White House is in more disarray and proved to America what a mixed bag a fruit this administration has been on foreign policy, domestic policy and OUR economy. Every day we hear a different version on virtually everything. We are less than ten weeks before ACA, Military sequestration and temporary tax cuts expire and the President is sending another mixed signal.
Romney calls Obama's foreign policy a failure but at the same time he agrees with all of it. I would not even want this guy to be have the remote control for my TV. He would wear out the batteries every hour.
Good job by Obama. Romney was a lap dog, forced to agree with Obama on all major issues. I wonder what the Teabaggers think about that!
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Republicans GOP Push for Laws That "Rape & All Babies SHould be Bourn",
1. But Republicans GOP Romney Ryan, Cut Children's "" HealthCare ""
2. But Republicans GOP Romney Ryan, Cut Children's "" Education ""
3. But Republicans GOP Romney Ryan, Cut Children's "" All Programs ""
4. But Republicans GOP Romney Ryan, Cut Children's "" psychological counseling ""
5. But Republicans GOP Romney Ryan, Cut Children's "" Nutrition Assistance ""
6. But Republicans GOP Romney Ryan Power to Healthcare Providers, Should Drop Children With Pre Existing Condition.
7. But Republicans GOP Romney Ryan Power to Healthcare Providers, Should Put Spending Limit On Child Regardless Of Doctors Opinion.
8. But Republicans GOP Romney Ryan, Gives Power to Healthcare Providers To Make Decisions
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Republican GOP Cheney Bush Unwisely Wasted Clintons ( Under Clinton, "" Was Fully Government Paid Off without Debt ""+++ Extra SURPLUS ) Cash Handed to Bush SINCE 2001
Just to Republican Cheney Bush's review of deficits only for six years
For Year 2001-2002: $157.800,000,000 billion (1.5% of GDP)
For Year 2003: $377.600,000,000 billion (3.5% of GDP)
For Year 2004: $412.700,000,000 billion (3.6% of GDP)
For Year 2005: $318.300,000,000 billion (2.6% of GDP)
For Year 2006: $248.200,000,000 billion (1.9% of GDP)
For Year 2007: $161.000,000,000 billion (est.) (1.2% of GDP)
""Republican GOP Cheney Bush on $37,000,000,000 billion in tax breaks for U.S. Companies That Ship Overseas American JOBS (legislation S. 1637 Congress 108 year 2003 2004)""
Bush Treasury Secretary JOHN SNOW praised the exporting of U.S. jobs as BENEFICIAL for the American Economy
>>>>> U.S.A Bush Cheney, Ryan, Karl Rove, Charged Poor And Middle-class Credit Card Spending , <<<<<< Must Be Paid Only By Poor and Middle Class American People.
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2. IRAQ, Over 10 Years Paying On Credit Card for Iraq WAR. to Fight Against 300 Terrorists. ( NOT COUNTED ). & Loan Interest Not Counted
3. Afghanistan, over 10 Years Paying On Credit Card For War Fight Against 300 Terrorists. ( NOT COUNTED ). & Loan Interest Not Counted
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5. $50 Billion Dollars $50,000.000.000 Cash to Airlines Which Did not Have to Pay it Back. (NOT COUNTED).
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"I wonder what the Teabaggers think about that!"
I can only speak for one Teabagger, but what I think is Romney let President Obama dig himself a huge hole and show America why nothing gets done in Washington, even when you agree Obama still wants to argue, four years of it!. What about sequestration? By the end of this week these propaganda polls will be completely turned around.
The President did a very good job last night in the debate. He was very believable until the Libya and sequestration question came up. I think the President won last night.
So Romney wins the first debate and probably the second, although it was close. President Obama won the third. By Romney at the very least drawing with the President, Romney wins overall. At least they both agree that the economy is the biggest issue, whether at home or abroad, and if thats the case, which it is, I'll stick with the business man.
I'm done, just voted for Romney. Why did Obama give the Muslim Brotherhood 1.5 billion dollars when he went over Congress and did it as an Executive Order? If you vote for Obama you are misled and deserve what you get!
Obamacare new tax on medical device makers is outsourcing jobs as we speak.
And it hasn't even taken effect yet.
Obama = outsourcing jobs.
Hairytic said:
"Jeff, "racists in the south". Nice man. Thanks for playing your ignorance card.
I am appalled by you insinuation that the only reason Obama can lose is because of racists. Way to develop a losers limp for Obama.
Your ignorant, sad and pathetic statement leads me to conclude you know Obama lost the debate and therefore you are digging for excuses.
Very sad, but considering the source appropriate."
I say:
Boy are you republicans short tempered when everything you touch turns to manure, like everything you write...
Obama slam dunked Romney with grace, charm, intellect, and righteousness. It was wonderful to watch.
Sorry you missed it.
Re Bill Nelson: Romney is a complete FRAUD. Oh, he doesn't smoke, drink or womanize. So what? Tobacco:forbidden by the Morman church. Alchohol:forbidden by the Morman church. Caffeine:forbidden by the Morman church. Lying:not forbidden by the Morman church; "we are IN the world, not OF the world". Redistribution:a tenant of the Mormon church (socialism); 10% tithing of net income, MANDATORY in the church. These monies are used by the church hierarchy as THEY SEE FIT. Polygamy:a church doctrine, until it wasn't to gain statehood. Racial intolerance:professed by the church hierarchy until it wasn't. God sends messages to the president of the Morman church, and then changes are made; in all cases expedient to the political winds of change, IN the world. The church is as much a fraud as any cult; Romney is a clear example: say and do anything to get elected. Breathtaking in his hypocracy, and the church too.
Re Warrior: Perhaps the hair and wax in your ears caused you to miss a comment that I found extremely interesting, although neither the doddering old fool moderating, nor the doddering GOP hack opponent of President Obama followed up on: "sequestration is not going to happen". Interesting comment isn't it?
Re Warrior: My bad; you did address the comment I made at 1803 this evening. My apologies to you. However I wish the comment would have received some attention. I didn't.
PRESIDENT OBAMA easily won the last two debates.
And will go on to win re-election.
I wouldn't hire romney for dog catcher.
The man can't stop lying through his false teeth.