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War is nasty business

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There they go again. All the neo-cons wanting to send everyone but their own family members to war. Do any of these so-called “real” Americans ever go to the ceremonies when Americans return from these nasty places? I doubt it.

I remember when President George W. Bush would not permit cameras at these returns. Bad press.

Perhaps the neo-cons would feel a bit different if it were one of their family members.

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  1. There are people on the Conservative side that favor war in more circumstances than is wise. There are people on the Progressive side that would negotiate forever in all circumstances.

    In Obama and Romney, I feel we have two candidates that fall into the middle of those two extremes, and for that, we should be grateful.

    Michael

  2. It was probably one of the most shameful policies on the Bush2 watch: Not allowing Americans to see the returning dead in flag draped coffins. He'll carry the blame for that decision for the rest of his earthly life and after life.

    CarmineD

  3. The last time I checked the only thing that has kept us free to make these posts is the willingness in many cases to fight for our freedom. Neocons?you got to be kidding. After Pearl Harbor Harbor hold out the olive branch?don't oppose Hitler?today there is a thriving free democracy in South Korea. Stay home and lick our wounds after 9/11?
    I hope the lettter writer is not calling everyone a neocon(a leftist label) for those who stand ready to defend American freedoms. And let's not forget no one is being forced to join the modern day military. It makes me sick to witness the death of our women and men serving in these wars. Where it can be avoided it should be. What disturbs me more is to have a commander in chief who is not willing to fight to win ,and feeds our men and women into situations where their hands are tied,they are at a disadvantage or left unprotected like occurred in Benghazi.

  4. Wars have been waged since the beginning of time and will possibly be waged until the end of time.

    What is horrible is war mongering as a political tool. It appeals to those with similar temperaments and it gets votes. A hawkish stance as a foreign policy approach is bullying. It costs an enormous amount of lives, billions of dollars, and depletes our resources.

    Has diplomacy gone out of style? Are there any skilled diplomats left? Has our nation's collective intelligence, logic, and reason been seriously diminished?

    The children are growing up watching adults do exactly the opposite of what we are teaching them! And, they blame us that kids are not learning! Society, politicians, and bad administrators and teachers, have all but abandoned children. Good Teachers are the only ones left standing in their corner fighting for them. Can you blame us for demanding combat pay?

  5. This letter can serve to show just how some people interpret what they see and hear. I am not sure where he found his information. It is very possible that he read it in our disingenuous media I would assume. He believes, however, that he has a FACT that he would like to share with us and attempt (poor attempt) at making people he disagrees with look bad.

    As humans we cherish things that we struggle for. Things that we give everything up to have. Like free speech. So write on writer, just don't believe what you write or all that you read.

    antigov if you do not think that Iran has or will have a nuclear weapon then you need to start all over because your current understanding is dead wrong.

  6. The military industrial complex is the source of our fetish for war.

    It is also a huge part of our economy which makes war an attractive option for our politicians.

    We haven't heeded President Eisenhower's warning, and we are the losers for that.

    We should reinstate the draft for all wars. The politician's would have to be more accountable to the American voters. There is nothing like having your child conscripted to fight in a war, or two, to make you think about why we are in a war in the first place. Perhaps that is why the politicians don't do it anymore.

    There are all kinds of efforts for a cyberspace defense, as well as first strike cyber forces.

    Just about anything that has to go through the current Congress is a lost cause.

    In spite of all, I must ask why we are so willing to become incrementally more fascist in the name of freedom? That is not leadership.

    Certainly, because of our willingness to become economically dependent on the military industrial complex we can only blame ourselves for the effects. We should become informed of just what the reality is about how the military industrial complex has operated and changed our economic realities as well.

    Anyone interested can start with this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWyhOKbqd...

  7. Bruce, yooooo: Let's allow a little room for what Mr. Ryan mentioned the other evening: We don't show our hand to the enemies. After that we need to take a serious look at results. After spending trillions of dollars we don't have to "defend" ourselves, things keep getting worse. Are we going about it the wrong way? Let us FIRST stop aiding any and all peoples who are not self-supporting. We send food aid to Somali and they generate pirates to attack us. We send $50 Billion a year to Egypt and they attack our citizens. We send and send and are poorly thought of. Why? Because we are fools to do this. To minimize unforeseen consequences, let's wean them off our aide--let's gut 25% right now, 25% next year.... And get out of this quickly. When a nation or people concentrates on supporting their people via farming, mining, industry or anything else productive, we can consider assisting--BUT FIRST we must let them seek out the type of assistance they need--by this I mean, that an EMERGING economy can contract with American (and other) firms to work with them--say they're trying to develop farming and would like suggestions or trials with different seeds, different types of crops, ideas on irrigation.... Let's try it. Let's STOP SENDING WEAPONS even to the chosen rebel groups--those weapons become fast and furious lethal attacks on our citizens, embassies, threats, and wind up in the hands of Iranians--who can reverse-engineer....
    And for those who haven't yet discerned it, the idea is to NOT HAVE HOT SPOTS OF REBELLIOUS GROUPS with the attitudes and weapons to threaten us.

  8. "There they go again. All the neo-cons....."

    Karley -- according to you, what exactly is one of them "neo-cons"?

    "In reply to Bruce Karley; I have to strongly resent your letter to the editor."

    BChap -- good post

    "What is horrible is war mongering as a political tool."

    peacelily -- amen to your post, but I'd add it's also a corporate tool. See below.

    "We send and send and are poorly thought of. Why? Because we are fools to do this. . . . .Let's STOP SENDING WEAPONS even to the chosen rebel groups. . . . . "

    Roslenda -- about foreign aid on the backs of Americans being driven to subsistence living, I agree with you 100% there. Your last point means America supports terrorism globally, as in one man's terrorists is another's freedom fighter. A point so many flag wavers consistently forget.

    "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902--1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents." -- Major General Smedley Butler, a Marine and one of only 19 people to be TWICE awarded the Medal of Honor, from a 1935 issue of the socialist magazine "Common Sense"

  9. War is a very costly proposition. My understanding is that there is still a woman collecting World War I entitlement benefits. Over 2 million World War II veterans are still alive in the United States and costing the country a fortune. God knows how much the wars will cost from World War II on.

    The military is spending so much money on medical benefits they don't have enough left over to develop the weapons systems they need.

    I don't think we have too much to worry about in terms of wars going forward. The military can't afford the medical costs.

  10. http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/03...
    read the above article. Sky high medical costs are eating the military alive.

  11. antigov I am not sure where in my post you assumed that I wanted to be at war with the middle east but whatever. The sanctions are NOT having an affect to their weapon development. It is only having an affect on crippling their people. I recently received an email from a friend of mine from Tehran. He has returned to Holland because the sanctions were devastating to the people but were having little or no affect on weapon development. He was concerned for his families lives because he believes that once the weapon is available there is not control over what his countries leaders will do. Especially to Israel.

    I truly wish we could all live together (kumbaya) but I am also pragmatic and realize that there is evil in the world and to ignore it is problematic.

  12. killer... Smedley Butler died at 58. That's manageable. Today veterans are living to be close to 100. That gets expensive. I was filling my wife's truck up at Costco yesterday. The guy in front of me had a Pearl Harbor survivor plate number 570. He was 92. His wife said that the 570 represented that there were still at least 570 Pearl Harbor survivors alive and living in Nevada. Think about that. Pearl Harbor was in 1941.

  13. The funny thing about Iran is that the Iranian people like us. They like are clothes, music, culture and everything else that goes along with being an American. Nearly everyone else in the Middle East hates our guts. Iran is the country that were talking about going to war with. We are a bunch idiots.

    My parents and grandparents grew up under totalitarian regimes. They don't last. People don't like being repressed. If we leave Iran alone the regime will crumble under the weight of the people.

    In the 1800s there was a French economist named Bastiat. He invented the concept of opportunity cost. He argued against massive military spending because he believed that it made it country much more likely to go to war. When you look at all of the crap the United States has gotten involved in over the last 100 years I think he was absolutely correct.

  14. Mr. Hageman you are correct about Iranians. They love western culture and crave it. As soon as they leave the country the women remove their headscarf's to blend it more with westerners. Women from north African countries will still were the burqa no matter where they are. Much of this has to do with the male attitude towards traditional dress. Iranian men want to be more western and want their women to do so as well whereas north African men want to be more traditionalist.

  15. Iran doesn't have a delivery system per VP Biden. Reverse engineer an anti-aircraft launcher and apply the technology on a larger scale. Ok, I'm not into engineering terminology, but do you really think they couldn't get a dirty bomb in a brief case and a suicide bomber to carry it anywhere?

  16. Carmine,

    "It was probably one of the most shameful policies on the Bush 2 watch.Not allowing Americans to see the returning dead in flag draped coffins.He'll carry the blame for that decision for the rest of his earthy life and after life."

    Carmine, and I do not agree on most of our comments, but we do agree on the above comment posted by Carnine

    I might add Bush 2 will also not live down his decision to invade Iraq in 2003. With 4400 dead U.S. soldiers,and over 34,000 wounded he has a lot more blame to carry around for the same time on earth and after his life

  17. KillerB 9:45: You got it AND you said it concisely, better than I did. Sometimes, I wonder about you.

  18. Good comments, Gerry. Thanks!

  19. Thanks Killer B. I agree about corporations.

    The billions that Chevron will have to pay out for the damages they caused in Argentina, will translate here.

    The Trans Pacific Trade agreement being worked on has a part that basically is hold harmless for corporations. That is not the kind of thing that makes the US a good governance neighbor.

    It will end up coming back at us eventually, just like the no oil payback from Iraq.

    When will we learn?

  20. <<The last time I checked the only thing that has kept us free to make these posts is the willingness in many cases to fight for our freedom>>

    It's one thing to fight for OUR freedom; it's another to fight in a country who doesn't like us and has NOTHING to do with OUR freedom.

    <<What disturbs me more is to have a commander in chief who is not willing to fight to win ,and feeds our men and women into situations where their hands are tied,they are at a disadvantage or left unprotected like occurred in Benghazi>>

    Fight to win? We are not at war with anyone in Benghazi. Feed our men and women into situations where their hands are tied? When appointed as an ambassdor to a country that we are NOT at war with isn't exactly "feeding" anyone into a dangerous situation. The risks are known when assigned to a country that really doesn't like America.

  21. <<Excuse me, but wasn't it the Obama administration that just sent troops to Jordan?>>

    We've always had a military presence in Jordan. It may be small, but it's there. I know a young man who was stationed there with the Air Force. He said the country is very "westernized".

    <<The funny thing about Iran is that the Iranian people like us. They like are clothes, music, culture and everything else that goes along with being an American. Nearly everyone else in the Middle East hates our guts. Iran is the country that were talking about going to war with. We are a bunch idiots>>

    @zipper: So true, so true. There is a huge connection with the Iranian people and this country. Do you know how many Iranians LIVE in this country and are U.S. Citizens? There are several generations of "Persians from Iran" who live in this country; a lot of them STILL have family back in Iran.