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Mary Altaffer / AP
Republican vice presidential candidate, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., right, greets Vice President Joe Biden at the beginning of the vice presidential debate, Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012 at Centre College in Danville, Ky.
By Karoun Demirjian (contact) 
Published Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012 | 5 p.m.
Updated Thursday, Oct. 11, 2012 | 11 p.m.
The fast-paced, content-rich brawl between Vice President Joe Biden and vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan on Thursday stood in sharp contrast to last week’s contest between President Barack Obama and his challenger Mitt Romney in both style and substance.
The candidates raced through a roster of issues, orbiting chiefly around foreign policy, with breaks to discuss the tax code and health care, and the candidates’ personal reflections on abortion.
That focus appeared to give Biden, who focused on foreign policy for much of his 36-year Senate career, an advantage over Ryan.
But he got off on a bit of a false start.
The debate began on the question of Libya, with moderator Martha Raddatz directly challenging the length of time it took the Obama administration to admit that the embassy attack on the anniversary of Sept. 11 had been a terrorist attack.
The question gave Ryan a chance to take an early shot at the administration.
“It took the president two weeks to acknowledge that this was a terrorist attack,” Ryan said, reminding Biden of how many times Obama had blamed the attack on an anti-Muslim video that was circulating online near the time of the attack.
“If we’re hit by terrorists,” Ryan said of a Romney administration, “we’re going to call it what it is: a terrorist attack.”
Ryan went on to criticize Obama for “projecting weakness abroad,” not just on Libya, but in his approach to other foreign challenges, especially Iran.
It would prove to be one of Ryan’s best punches of the night. But with a classically Bidenesque retort, the vice president moved quickly to steal Ryan’s thunder.
“With all due respect,” Biden said. “That’s a bunch of malarkey.”
Biden maintained a two-part style throughout the night. He stuck up for Obama’s policies when it was his turn to speak — whether on health care, Afghanistan, or the bailout of the auto industry. And when it was Ryan’s turn to present his case, Biden routinely interrupted him, accusing him of twisting facts and forcing Ryan off his course of criticizing Obama.
For example, when Ryan went after the Obama administration for driving the stimulus bill through Congress, Biden broke in to point out the two letters Ryan had written “saying by the way, can you send me some more stimulus money for the state of Wisconsin.”
Ryan had to stop mid-attack to address it.
“On two occasions we advocated for constituents applying for grants,” Ryan admitted. “That’s what we do. We do that for all constituents who are ...”
“I love that,” Biden interrupted. “I love that this was such a bad program he writes me a letter ... saying ‘the reason we need this stimulus, it will create growth and jobs.’”
“Take some responsibility,” “facts matter,” and “what would you do differently?” were Biden’s favored lines of the night as the elder politician needled the younger Ryan and tried to break the flow of his arguments.
Ryan remained cool under pressure, but was noticeably agitated by Biden’s tactic.
“I know you’re under a lot of duress to make up for lost ground, but I think we would be better served if we didn’t keep interrupting each other,” Ryan shot at Biden during a discussion of Ryan’s Medicare reform plan, which has the odd distinction of being an issue Republicans consider to be one of their strongest, but most Democrats count as the GOP’s worst negative.
There too, the discussion ran aground in a lengthy spat in which Biden wouldn’t give an inch. For example, Ryan’s suggestion that his Medicare reform proposal was bipartisan resulted in the following volley:
“There’s not one Democrat who endorses it,” Biden cut in.
“Our partner is a Democrat from Oregon,” Ryan corrected Biden.
“Who no longer supports it,” Biden corrected back.
“We put it together with the former Clinton budget director,” Ryan protested.
“Who disavows it,” Biden cut in.
Thursday’s debate produced no new policy revelations, just a series of protracted bouts over well-trodden topics. Nonetheless, the raw energy of Biden and Ryan’s speedy, bare-knuckled exchange injected fresh emotion into even the most tired of campaign lines.
On taxes, their fight broke along the traditional party line, with Ryan warning that the Obama plan to let higher income tax rates rise was a ruse, and Biden charging Romney simply didn’t care about the middle class.
“There aren’t enough rich people and small businesses to tax to pay for all their spending,” Ryan said. “Watch out, middle class, the tax bill’s coming to you.”
Biden listed what he considers Romney’s worst sins against the middle class: his opposition to the auto industry bailout, his comments to the Las Vegas Review-Journal that the housing market bottom out, and his comments to the donors about the willfully dependent 47 percent of Americans.
“I’ve had it up to here ... it’s about time they take some responsibility,” Biden said of his Republican rivals. “They’re holding hostage the middle class tax cut because they say ... we won’t continue the middle class tax cut unless you give a tax cut to the super-wealthy.”
Biden also accused Ryan of hypocrisy and distorting facts when it came to the administration’s efforts to keep Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
“In order to solve [Iran] peacefully — which is everybody's goal — you have to have the ayatollahs change their minds,” said Ryan, adding that a Romney administration would not rule out committing troops to keep Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. “Look at where they are. They're moving faster toward a nuclear weapon. It’s because this administration has no credibility on this issue. It's because this administration watered down sanctions, delayed sanctions, tried to stop us from putting the tough sanctions in place.”
Biden was quick to respond.
“The ayatollah sees his economy being crippled. The ayatollah sees that there are 50 percent fewer exports of oil. He sees the currency going into the tank. He sees the economy going into free-fall. And he sees the world for the first time totally united in opposition to him getting a nuclear weapon,” Biden said, arguing that sending ground forces to the region was off the table. “The interesting thing is there’s nothing more that they say they should do than what we’ve done.”
Within minutes of its close, most pundits were declaring Biden the clear winner of Thursday night’s debate. But vice presidential candidates aren’t traditionally known for moving polls — because they’re not the ones who are running for president.
The vote count is so tight in this particular race that this year could prove to be an exception. But that will depend more on how well Ryan and Biden represented their bosses at the top of the ticket than on who bested who in a contest of the two men who were onstage Thursday night.
Various reports noted that Romney called Ryan after the debate to offer his congratulations.
Obama chose to give a public statement instead.
"I'm going to make a special point of saying that I thought Joe Biden was terrific tonight,” Obama told reporters getting off Air Force One Thursday night. “I could not be prouder of him.”
I'm giving biden 20 minutes to deliver some laughs or I switch channels.
This Moderator is absolutely the WORST! She has zero control over the dialogue between these two. Utterly out of her league.
Lots of information is being spewed by these two and it is completely lost by simple blathering from the other clown. What a waste.
Biden is absolutely a mess. He can't follow the rules of the debate and he can't keep his crazy ideas tucked away in his skull.
He got dissed several times and when he tried to do damage control he made the statement (several times) "I say what I mean and I mean what I say". This guy is more unhinged than a poorly installed storm shutter in a hurricane.
Wow, very sad.
This debate was way better though than the presidential one.
Biden is rude, crude and his grin looks like he got his teeth from a goat George Washington style. Ryan showed restraint by not just decking the old fossil. They both seem to be way to in luv with this Bebe.
The right is angry. They watched the ideological core of their party get eviscerated on national television.
CBS News is reporting that 50% polled think Vice President Biden won the debate, with Congressman Ryan pulling only 30%.
On point after point, Biden schooled the Congressman on foreign policy, domestic issues, and even the deficit and debt.
Congressman Ryan tried to lecture the Vice President on the deficit and debt... until the Vice President reminded the Congressman that Paul Ryan voted over and over to debt-finance two wars, and Medicare expansion, and tax cuts.
Paul Ryan attempted to criticize the stimulus, until the Vice President reminded America that Paul Ryan was begging the Obama administration for stimulus grants.
Paul Ryan has been exposed as a complete fraud... and by Joe Biden, of all people!
I understand why the right is so livid!
No change. CNN poll put Ryan a little ahead.
Got to love that Biden smirk
Now I see why nothing gets done, what a circus.
This was a good debate, and the moderator was head and shoulders above Leher. I agree with the CNN talking heads, the debate was basically a draw with Ryan having a slight edge on style. The Biden chuckles and interruptions were a negative on what was otherwise a fine engagement by both participants.
Ryan has no substance and his self righteous attitude bugs the hell out of me. That and he appears to be a complete liar.
Biden and his demeanor shows just what is wrong with Washington.
Its no wonder nothing ever gets done in government.
Stamm321................................................. Don't u think BO and Reid fit this description?
Ksand, Biden looked just as desperate as your continued comments.
Biden proved tonight that he isn't capable of controlling himself let alone controlling the responsibilities that come with being one heartbeat away from the command and control of our military.
It was very sad to see Biden dig to the depths of bringing Sarah Palin into the conversation. Very disturbing and bizarre,
Chaz -- Actually I think both sides are ridiculous
that includes BO, Reid, Bush (especially bush), Romney, Paul Lyin, etc. etc.
Biden Hatches An Egg:
"I meant what I said, and I said what I meant. An elephant's faithful one-hundred percent."
WOW! WOW! WOW!
JOE BIDEN KNOCKED IT OUT OF THE PARK!!!
JOE BIDEN IS THE MAN!!!
YES, PRESIDENT OBAMA was correct when he said
that nobody messes with Joe.
This debate was man vrs. boy.
Joe Biden fights for the middle class and the
poor.
ryan fights for the greedy rich.
Paul Ryan will stop ROE VRS. WADE.
So will Willard.
Romney/ryan are two extreme right-wing nuts.
They WILL STOP A WOMENS RIGHT TO CHOSE!
There is no doubt.
Romney/ruan will privatize Medicare with vouchers
KILLING MEDICARE!
Joe pointed out that ryan agreed with Bush to
PREVATIZE SOCIAL SECURITY!
AND ryan said they will get rid of Obamacare.
WITH NO REPLACEMENT!
Ryan and romney are WAY TOO EXTREME!
WE'RE KEEPING BARRY AND JOE!!!
YES, Joe Biden is easily one of the best Vice
Presidents we have ever had.
We are very lucky to have him as V.P.
Heretic......
Joe's Sarah Palin comment was right on the mark.
Ryan got his clock cleaned.
FOUR MORE YEARS FOR BARRY AND JOE!!!
Every picture tells a story...
and the one on the cover of the Sun right now, it's a real beauty!
I know this really crushes the haters, but Joe did a number tonight on Ryan, the 'Lyin' King'.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politic...
Ryan had me laughing too. Especially when he talked about how the Ayatollah felt as if he'd talked to him on the phone. He still had no specifics. There is no way I can trust either Romney or Ryan. Joe should have asked him how they were going to pay for 15 ships, in which 3 are submarines, that the Pentagon doesn't want.
The republican party has been trying to destroy Social Security since it's inception, trying to stop Medicare from day one, end Medicaid every chance they get, over turn Roe vs Wade in every state and in the courts. They try to make it more difficult to vote and pass laws to help the rich get richer and take us down the path of war every chance they get. This is their history and Romney/Ryan are no different. They would rather obstruct a new President than work to bring the country out of a terrible recession and vow to make him a one term President before his first day in office. The very thought that these things don't seem to be self evident is amazing to me. The debates are irrelevent to a person who has been listening and watching. 4 more years, then on to Hillary.
"I meant what I said, and I said what I meant." - Joe Biden
I guess that means we can take what he said about the American people being crushed for the last four years at face value. :)
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Just what did old Joe think was so funny ? The 23 million unemployed ? The 50 million on food stamps ? The 16 trillion dollar plus debt ? The total economic failure of the Democratic party ? The event was held in Kentucky. Maybe old Joe hit a few bourbon tasteing rooms before the debate. You will be laughing out of the other side of your face come November.
Biden looked like he has mental issues and the onset of dementia with the inability to focus. Funny how he and Harry Reid act alike. I would be cautious of voting for Biden because of the unstable nature of his personality.
I almost expected Biden to twist his ears and stick out his tongue when Ryan was speaking. It's
scary to think that Biden is a heatbeat away from being President. What if Biden forgot to take
his medication if he was President?
Obama was out of it and Biden was a laughing hyena. Wow, what a team!
You have to admit - Paul Ryan's "job interview" for 2016 has started. Next to Biden, he looked like he's still in high school!
What troubles me: Doesn't it bother anyone that Romney/Ryan will drag our country into another war? A war in a country and an area where we have no business being? Didn't they learn ANYTHING from Iraq? And where is the money going to come from? The Iraq war help put the country in the financial mess it's in. I remember reading back 6-7 years ago, the country already spent $8 billion on Iraq!!! Do R&R really think America wants another war??
Was Biden high or drunk. He was so disrespectful and acted like a fool. Like he wanted to lose. WHAT A JERK. The Democratic Party is finished in America.
Ryan's budget plan began as a senior project in high school. After being elected to Congress, he learned to add more footnotes and that's the finished project today.
I find it highly amusing that the same people who thought Romney was great for being rude and interrupting the President of the United States are whining about Joe Biden being rude.
Joe Biden did everything that President Obama should have done. He called out Ryan on every single one of Ryan/Romney's lies and had the facts to back him up.
"I meant what I said, and I said what I meant." - Joe Biden
So when Biden said that intell on the Libya crisis was what they got about some movie, he actually means that our military thought from the beginning that it wasn't a terrorist strike. He also claimed that no one asked for more security. Talk about mixed signals, wonder why in Congress the discussion is going on of who knew what when. Biden I thought did a good job. But having shown to the viewers last night the utter kaos in the White House over Libya, proves that this administration has to go.
Joe Biden needs to check his facts on GM as it did go through a chapter 11 bankruptcy.
http://retailindustry.about.com/od/ameri...
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If you want to see real reporting.
Go here: http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/11/politics/v...
They cite a poll and said it was a tie and reported more facts as oppose to the Sun article is mainly compose of the reporter's personal opinions.
Somebody might want to tell Biden to tone down the teeth whitener, other then that it looks like his debate strategy was to act like a petulant 7 yr old. Somebody also might want to remind this smirking buffoon that he indeed voted for military action in Iraq and Afghanistan. I can't believe any Independent can listen and watch Obama/Biden and their childish, incompetent behavior and say "Yeah, I am going to vote for 4 more years of this". Time to put the adults back in charge.
A lot of fact checking needs to be done by people that watched last nights debate. This is not the Miss America pageant here folks.
There was some Truth, some half truths and some out and out lies told last night.
You can see what the fact checkers have to say here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/...
This is not about who we like, this is about who can do our country right.
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Poor Joe still didn't get the memo on the Benghazi attacks, even after sworn statements two days ago by the intelligence community... Later in reference to the Afghan and Iraqi conflicts Joe states that it was Paul Ryan that placed the costs on a credit card, "I was there, I voted against them," Biden continued. "I said, no, we can't afford that." Ah, Joe, it appears you were there alright, but you voted FOR not against. Remember "The Bridge To Nowhere"? Yep, you and Obama both voted for that also and somehow found a way to blame that on Caribou Barbie.
Two domestic debates and not one word on immigration, I guess that has little significance on health care, education, social security, unemployment, home foreclosures and the national debt.
Biden reminded me of Clarabell the Clown, who communicated by honking horns on his belt and squirting seltzer.
Moody's just this morning said the numbers Ryan boasts for the tax cuts (which are 4.8 trillion dollars over many years) will not work as presented. The Romney Ryan plan end all deductions that middle class and the working poor enjoy (mortgage deductions,health insurance deductions,college expense deductions,charitable deductions,moving deductions,literally every deduction, while never touching the capital gains deduction of 15% the wealthy enjoy on their investments. This deduction was at one time as high as 30%.
In short Romney and Ryan are looking out for their own personal wealth while screwing everyone else.
If the middle class and the working poor loose the mortgage deduction why buy a home? The risk versus the benefit is gone,of course Romney has several homes and Ryan has a trust fund that makes him a millionaire. Don't believe all of the bs about him being a poor after daddy died while he took Social Security survivor benefits and Mommy going on the campainn trail as Medicare recipient who was a poorly old widow woman,she to has a trust fund of millions of dollars and she does not worry about her life like millions of other seniors.
Ryan is a dangerous man, who is called Lyan Ryan in Wisconsin.
I enjoyed watching this debate. Biden basically sided with the American people and showed he clearly stands up for us. Ryan, however, showed he stands for money, war and on the wrong side of pretty much every social issue.
I don't care who won what debate. All I know is that it helped me make a decision. I overlooked all the cheap shots and the posturing. It's political theater.
One thing I do know is that I can understand why Ryan didn't spend too much time on stage after the debate shaking hands/hugging people. He seemed to want to exit stage left and find the nearest restroom. All that water he drank, I'm sure he had to pee like a racehorse.
Obama/Biden 2012!
Romney/Ryan 1040s please! Everything Senator Reid has said has STILL, after months and months, never been proven wrong about tax returns. Cough 'em up. Let the American voters out here see what you're hidin'.....
Colin,
Dude, your post in the funniest thing I have ever read. To even insinuate that your "mind" wasn't made up years ago is the most disingenuous thing that you have ever posted. I call BS to your entire rational.
You rant on an on about the "tea party" and you obviously have a deep disdain for Republicans since you blame their policies for every malady known to mankind.
Your credibility, not that you ever had any, is completely shot. I can't stop laughing.
Teamster,
Since my post was deleted let me tell you another way what I think of your opinion.
Joe Biden is a bombastic fool. You love Joe Biden. Therefore......
NOvember=NObama
Joe Biden SCHOOLED Ryan. It was a beautiful thing to watch. Almost all of the Romney-Ryan teams lies and deceptions were exposed to the American public by Joe. Ryan looked and acted like a kid whose hand was caught in the cookie jar. Just wonderful.
Colin. Romney will never provide the 1040's. He probably participated in the program that allowed rich people with illegal, undeclared monies that are offshore to bring them back to the US and not suffer criminal charges. If he reveled this via his 1040's, his campaign would be shot. Long ago he made the calculation that not reveling his taxes would be MUCH less damaging that basically admitting to criminal conduct with his finances. And by the way, Romney has NEVER produced the tax forms related to offshore holdings. So basically he HAS not even revealed his complete taxes for the last two years and still lies about this!
@Homer, "The Romney Ryan plan end all deductions that middle class and the working poor enjoy (mortgage deductions,health insurance deductions,college expense deductions,charitable deductions,moving deductions,literally every deduction, while never touching the capital gains deduction of 15% the wealthy enjoy on their investments."... Do you have a link for this info?
Biden lied through his teeth last night. What a arrogant, smirking rude old man. Thanks Joe for showing America that you have no business remaining in office
ROMNEY RYAN 2012!!!!
SgtRock,
If you do not like the Sun Reporting why don't you leave? Why don't you make this your last post and go away. Why don't you go to a site that suites your needs?
Good-bye
Joe Biden came off VERY RUDE in my opinion.
According to Cong Ryan who prefers to being called Mr. (can you blame him) "Life begins at conception" and "I respect people who disagree with me"
My response to that statement is I respect your opinions regarding abortion and your religion. However this is my point This is the United States of America and I dont believe or agree that YOU SIR have a right to tell me how I have to live. I dont agree with your opinions and if I were a woman and I am not I would be absolutely livid that you have a lot of nerve to mandate or tell me how to believe or behave. My body belongs to me and my advice comes from a doctor.
If you had any decency you would recognize the fact that your actions are not any different then the Ayatollahs and madrases that breed and perpetuate hate.
Stay out of things that dont belong to you. Live your life the way you want to and good luck to you. Don't prescribe or mandate for me.
Liberty or death thats my answer to you
CNN Poll Who won the VP debate Ryan 48%, and Biden only 42%, and 10% undecided.
What we saw in the VP dabate was Biden making a fool of himself by his rudeness, constant interuptions and not knowing the facts.
Even with Biden constantly interupting the always professional Ryan and with the liberal moderator interupting Ryan, Paul Ryan still manages to keep his cool and win the debate.
You can see Ryan as the President but imagine Biden as President pissing off and insulting everyone he meets..
FACT CHECK PROOF BIDEN CAUGHT LYING IN VP DEBATE
BIDEN, on whether U.S. should have beefed up security at the U.S. Consulate in Libya before the deadly terrorist attack there: "We weren't told they wanted more security there."
RYAN: "There were requests for more security."
THE FACTS: Ryan is right, judging by testimony from Obama administration officials at a congressional hearing this week. Charlene Lamb, a deputy assistant secretary for diplomatic security, told lawmakers she refused requests for more security in Benghazi, saying the department wanted to train Libyans to protect the consulate. "Yes, sir, I said personally I would not support it," she said. Eric Nordstrom, who was the top security official in Libya earlier this year, testified that he was criticized for seeking more security. He said conversations he had with people in Washington led him to believe that it was "abundantly clear we were not going to get resources until the aftermath of an incident. How thin does the ice have to get before someone falls through?"
BIDEN: "We went out and rescued General Motors."
THE FACTS: Actually, the auto bailout of General Motors and Chrysler began under President George W. Bush. The Obama administration continued and expanded it.
BIDEN, when asked who would pay more taxes in Obama's second term: "People making a million dollars or more."
THE FACTS: Obama's proposed tax increase reaches farther down the income ladder than millionaires. He wants to roll back Bush-era tax cuts for individuals making over $200,000 and couples making more than $250,000.
Ryan proved he does not have a plan and that we are just supposed to believe them. They expect us to TRUST THEM; they will reveal their plan once elected. Have you ever trusted any politician that says "Trust Me". Remember who said the words, "The most dangerous words are I am from the government and I am here to help." They are expecting to have a Republican house and senate and then hopefully they will work out the details. What? Who does that? Bottom Line is that they do not have a plan; just ideas; that is all. They only have bullet items with NO PLAN. Who does that except people giving a presentation. He expects to be elected on that?
Ryan looked like a smug, arrogant, punk kid who knew he was over matched. How much water did the punk drink because he was so nervous. Lyin' Ryan WOW, your first job interview and you FAILED. Dude you got a F. Talk about smirking, he never stopped. I am sure if he had a hankie he would have dried the sweat from his little hands.
Last night he confirmed to me that they DO NOT care about seniors, they DO NOT understand the immediate and future impact of their Medicare voucher scheme and privatization of Social Security. They don't know how it is going to work because they do not have a plan. They never put forth a detailed plan on the Medicare Voucher scheme. What we do know is Medicare will not be guaranteed and seniors will be on their own to find Healthcare will a small amount of money. What we do know is that seniors will be on their own and could be denied healthcare insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
And Ladies look out, we are going to lose our right to make choices about our healthcare. But the scariest part was Medicare ~ different stories from R & R. They will change Medicare as we know it and seniors will suffer.
Ryan had an opportunity to present himself as a qualified vice-presidential candidate and he came off as an arrogant, smug, punk kid who thinks he knows every everything and was caught in several lies. I do not trust him or his running mate! They will NEVER represent the majority of Americans; they will represent the RICH ONLY!
I do have to remind everyone about how did Willard get an $100M TAX FREE IRA?
ROMNEY/RYAN will fight hard for the RICH
OBAMA/BIDEN will fight hard for the rest of the American People
Always remember: Republican Rule #1: Accuse the other guy of doing exactly what you are doing!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012 and ALL the Democrats on the ticket!
After Obama Biden win reelection they should be made President/VP for life since all this election stuff is such a hassle. We have the perfect team and they should stay in office forever.
FACT: CBS had the debate poll at 50% for Biden, 31% for Ryan, a drubbing!
notacon states: "Romney will never provide the 1040's."
Sadly, you are correct.
But I think it's hilarious that every single attack against what Senator Reid has said all these months by the far right wingers...all of them have fell short of the mark.
There is only deflection, trying to get people talk about something else, personal attacks on him, and even the most stupidest one I saw was there was a linkage between Romney's tax returns and President Obama's college transcripts. That last one leaves everyone scratching their heads.
What you said in your comment is right on the mark: Whatever is in Romney's Federal Income Tax returns is so horrible, so devastating, so damaging..that it would render Romney unelectable not only now, but forever.
I just hope the American voters out there see this.
Obama/Biden 2012!
After Obama Biden win reelection they should be made President/VP for life
mred if you believe this you should move to another country like maybe Cuba. This again proves that the Dems, especially on this board are not very well rounded and are easily led. They don't agree with the Constitution and are socialists in beliefs.
Ryan got schooled by Biden! LOL
Ryan won the debate easily. Biden was a rude joke. Looked like the grinning Joker. Romney is so qualified to take over the disaster that Obama has left this country. Use your brains people. Vote Romney!!!!
Fox viewers, as polls have shown, are the least informed on the actual facts related to the issues of the day. These people will vote for Romney. These are the gullible and suckers for the deception of Fox and other Teabagger related media sources. Therefore, the people who ARE actually using their brains will VOTE OBAMA! Remember, it is the least educated segment of the population that is voting for Romney/Ryan.
So genius(haha), that what reason would there be for Romney to not reveal his taxes and not to provide the necessary declaration of foreign holdings forms? Any answers...crickets folks!
notacon, I don't think your comments mean what you think they mean.
Since FOX is the highest rated network of all the brainwashing ones out there I think your hypothesis is all wrong.
Keep watching MSNBC though, the other twelve people need company.
The Romney tax issue has the sad and pathetic liberals reduced to the same level as the BIRTHERS.
Well played libs.
The "inconvenient truth" for Obama is that his record stinks. A 20 year veteran of the Reverend Wright's church who won't disclose his college grades, Obama was nevertheless cast as a genius who would unify and save us. "Hope and change"? "Yes we can"? Try instead partisan gridlock, pork spending, divided America, "beer summit", defense of the Ground Zero Mosque, $5 trillion deficit, $5.00 gallon gas, rising China, blame Bush refrains, high unemployment, "you didn't build that", Fast and Furious, Libyan 9/11 coverup, Catholic Church confrontation, repeated litigation with States, class warfare, Martha's Vineyard vacations, Clooney fundraisers, naive Cairo speech, Muslim Brotherhood Egypt, Muslim riots, millions added to welfare, and a budget busting health law. Successes also had their origins in Bush policies(GM bailout and enhanced interrogation intel). This record is indeed an "inconvenient truth".
Heretic, I agree with you. And Notacon, why doesn't Obama reveal his college records? Those who still vote for Obama after 4 years of his terrible non leadership have a screw or two missing. Many like the hand outs, free rent, food etc. that the Dems provide. Don't go to work and pay your own way. That's too easy!!!
Even NBC had Ryan beating smokin Joe by 4 points. Four big points. And Fox News Channel had over 10 million viewers and beat every other network. Even the 3 golden cows.
"FACT: CBS had the debate poll at 50% for Biden, 31% for Ryan, a drubbing!"
Here is another fact, that CBS poll has 2 Democrats to one Republican.... as in the sample polled twice as many Democrats as Republicans.
I wonder if that skewed the results in any.
Hmmmmm......What do you think?
Remember the quote from Newt Gingrich about Romney? "How can you debate someone who lies about everything?"
If people want to know what I stand for, they can look at my record as governor." ~ Mitt Romney
Let's see...
Under Gov. Romney, Massachusetts fell to 47th out of 50 in job creation:
Before Romney's time as governor, Massachusetts ranked 36th out of 50 in job creation, but over the course of his tenure the state ranked a dismal 47th out of 50--even as the national economy was growing. The Bay State only beat Michigan, Ohio, and Louisiana--which was still recovering from the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
Gov. Romney created or raised over 1,000 taxes and fees:
Though he promised he wouldn't raise taxes as governor, he increased taxes and fees by as much as $750 million per year, leaving the average taxpayer to pay an extra $1,227 in state and local fees and taxes. During his first year in office, Romney raised fees on milk, driver's licenses, hospitals, nursing and barber licenses, and even on the blind.
Gov. Romney left behind a huge budget deficit:
Romney broke his pledge to balance the budget and left his successor, Gov. Deval Patrick, with a $1 billion budget deficit. Long-term debt increased by 16% over Romney's four-year term, and he left Massachusetts with the highest debt per person in
the nation.
So? Biden is a thug. Reid is a thug. What more do you need to run a country? Oh, yeah - a spinless 'lil twit and here we are.
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Biden said he was against abortion but he didn't have right to force Jews or Muslims or any other religion to agree with his religous convictions..
How things have changed..
Remember the old movies where the heroes rescued the beautiful girl who was going to be tossed into the volcano to appease the gods?
Give Joe Biden a pith helmet (aka Jim Backus as Thurston Howell III) turning to Martha saying "We don't do as the native do but we must let them do what they do."
I can agree with need broad minded tolerance in the world..and of course, world peace..
but governments do Do That
An ethics question from the State Bar..If you were governor on an island and native were going to sacrifice a willing virgin..and threatened to destroy your small garrison if you interfered..what would you do?
According to Biden..as governor..he would not interfere with their religious ceremonies..
The correct answer is...I know but Biden does not..Do you?
xtra.....
Joe Biden, the president and the majority of
Americans believe in a womens' freedom of choice,
period.
Do you?
teamster:
The natives do not have a right to toss even willing virgins into volcanos.. much less unwilling ones.. It is murder..and Joe Biden is no hero
Joe Biden was excommunicated..rightly so..
How can the GOP (with a straight face) act like the last (8) yrs didn't even happen before Obama took over?
Their policies destroyed Planet Earth for almost a decade...from war, to the housing collapse, tax cuts, prescription drugs for seniors (all on the credit card)...Dubya created this crater...yet the Right just acts like nothing was wrong, they act like the surplus they burned through wasn't even there.
How can you live in the denial bubble for that long? Deny evolution, deny climate change, deny civil rights, deny the right to vote, deny a women's right to control her own plumbing, deny Tbaggers are racist, deny the birth certificate, deny the polls, deny the jobs numbers....GOP=Flat Earthers in denial.