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Forced to deal with bad behavior

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I’m tired of hearing about the “bad” things about the United States.

First, as a democratic country, we have rights, even though many people abuse these rights. They may do wicked things for money, notoriety or just plain viciousness. Whatever the reason, it is hurtful and hateful. That is our problem. Yes, it is America’s problem to deal with these spiteful and hateful people.

We do not need to have foreign countries meddling in our business. You want to burn our flag, riot your streets? Go ahead. It isn’t hurting our streets, but when you commit crimes against our country and murder our ambassadors, you have gone too far.

If not for this “bad” USA, those countries would probably be 10 times worse off than they are now. This “bad” USA has ended up with a huge deficit for many reasons, some of which is for the money we pour into other countries. That can stop very easily.

We can take care of ourselves. When you see us burning your flags and killing your ambassadors, then you have a valid complaint. Until then, some countries need to remember that they need us more than we need them; they shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds them.

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  1. The fact that our Middle East foreign policy has big problems is not solely the fault of President Obama, any more than it was solely the fault of former President Bush.

    We cannot buy loyalty from these governments and we are unwilling to do what would be necessary to force the behavior we'd like to see. THAT IS THE PROBLEM.

    If we allow Pakistan to support and provide safe haven for insurgent terrorists in Afghanistan, in 27 months when we leave, the Karzai government will likely be overrun and fall, the Taliban or something as bad or worse will return and we will have sacrificed thousands of American lives and billions of dollars for very little.

    If we or Israel or a combination of both don't attack Iran each and every time they restart their nuclear weapons program, they are going to develop a nuclear weapon.

    In Syria, if we allow Russian and China to support Assad, he will survive.

    In Egypt, Iraq and Libya, if we pour billions in aid in, billions that we cannot afford, but don't involve ourselves militarily, the outcomes in these nations are unlikely to go in a direction we favor.

    Are we likely to take ANY of the steps that are REALLY necessary to get an outcome we favor. NO, WE ARE NOT!

    Because this is true and we are nearing financial ruin as a nation, we need to re-tool our foreign policy in this region and we need to do it now.

    Michael

  2. Here's a newsflash for President Obama:

    THE MUSLIMS ARE NOT HAPPY!

    They're not happy in Gaza ..
    They're not happy in Egypt ..
    They're not happy in Libya ..
    They're not happy in Morocco ..
    They're not happy in Iran ..
    They're not happy in Iraq ..
    They're not happy in Yemen ..
    They're not happy in Afghanistan ..
    They're not happy in Pakistan ..
    They're not happy in Syria ..
    They're not happy in Lebanon ..

    SO, WHERE ARE THEY HAPPY?

    They're happy in Australia .
    They're happy in Canada.
    They're happy in England ..
    They're happy in France ..
    They're happy in Italy ..
    They're happy in Germany ..
    They're happy in Sweden ..
    They're happy in the USA ..
    They're happy in Norway ..
    They're happy in Holland .
    They're happy in Denmark .

    Basically, they're happy in every country that is not Muslim and unhappy in every country that is!

    AND WHO DO THEY BLAME?

    Not Islam.
    Not their leadership.
    Not themselves.

    THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!

    AND THEN; They want to change those countries to be like....
    THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY!

    CarmineD

  3. PS: I should have quoted the above. I'm not the author. I do not know the author or would give him/her the credit.

    CarmineD

  4. Think. Who are we to dictate what form of government a country should follow? Some forms of government grew out of centuries of customs and traditions as well as the needs of its people. No matter how much 'expertise' we have about their "culture" we can never gauge its true nature unless we can get inside their heads. We can only make a best guess.

    The middle east has been ruled by despots since the beginning of time. Its people have been 'programmed' by the circumstances from which it has experienced. We are being arrogant in our ambitions to think we can institute democracy through 'bribery' and force. We have wasted trillions of dollars and thousand of lives with nary an iota of success and an economy near bankruptcy. And, what have we got? Enemies who want to harm the US and its citizens.

    We complain about the moochers off of government, yet we allow this insanity to happen. Compared to what the moochers take; defense and foreign aid budgets, not including the salaries of CIA agents and their associates and logistics; what we spend to help our own people is negligible and embarrassing.

    Someone must rise up above this insanity.

  5. Change that to enemies who want to hurt us MORE THAN EVER because of our arrogance to even suggest how they should be governed.

    Democracy is to be deserved. It can not be 'served.'

  6. "I'm tired of hearing about the "bad" things about the United States. First, as a democratic country, we have rights, even though many people abuse these rights. . . . .We do not need to have foreign countries meddling in our business."

    Smith -- your brand of flag-waving is not just tiresome, it's ignorant. First off anything anyone does to "abuse these rights" doesn't come close to what our governments do. For proof just get in line at the courthouse or McCarran. For your latter point you seem completely oblivious to the fact the U.S. is actively "meddling" in other countries' "business" to the point of invasion.

    "Think. Who are we to dictate what form of government a country should follow?"

    ASadTeacher -- excellent post!

    "I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902--1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents." -- Major General Smedley Butler, a Marine and one of only 19 people to be TWICE awarded the Medal of Honor, from a 1935 issue of the socialist magazine "Common Sense"

  7. Simplistic overgeneralized rhetorical nonsense. Next thing you know some low information voter will start using the term "The" when referring to Muslims as if they were all the same.

  8. While under the present administration this is not probable, the main threat to America is Islam.,and for that reason if American institutions are to survive our country must restrict the entry of Muslims into America. America must also be prepared to deport radical members of the Muslim community who preach subversion of American values.. There is a present and certain danger to American institutions because of the clear clash in Muslim values with those of America. Islam 's practices are at odds with America's freedoms and liberties,including free speech and women's rights. And Islam is intolerant to these values. Muslims will push in militant ways for changes in our traditional freedoms and rights. For this reason the Muslim population must be severely restricted. If America goes to sleep on this,and Muslim creep is allowed to occur the changes in American values will become obvious. Already the UN is pushing for international criminal laws that would criminalize any form of free speech that offends Muslims.This entire movement poses a threat to America's constitutional rights.

  9. The problem with middle eastern countries is,you can never figure them out.If we help them and they thrive,they may turn on us.

    This is exactly what has happened in Iraq, and Libya,and it looks like it's happening in Afghanastan as well.Not one of these countries has come right and thanked us for our help. Which we gave them with our blood and treasure.The Arab countries have a saying "your enemy is my enemy" even if they hate each other at the time.All I can say is we need to watch our back a little more closely.

  10. The government must do what is best for this country in terms of food for its' people, and deal with economic and security concerns for the good of the country. Keeping war off our soil is a priority as well. It appears many times they use money instead of guns to accomplish this. It is naive to think the USA can just pull out of foreign aid and ignore the rest of the world, it is far to intertwined now. Maybe back before the airplane was invented that may have worked. I think every president tries to find his allies and use what power he can to keep the situations manageable from a global viewpoint.

  11. America would be foolish to become isolationist. The world is a dangerous place and we do need to keep our hand in what is going on.

    However, we need to understand that we cannot buy real friends or a safe world with foreign aid ... and we cannot afford to pay for it at this point... especially if used to try to 'buy' favor and cooperation. It's a fools game and we are being taken for a ride... a ride we cannot afford.

    We need to keep our hand in the game internationally but shift emphasis to here at home.

    Michael

  12. Mark,

    I understand and appreciate the letter writer's sharing her frustration about America not being appreciated for all the good things we do. We never will be appreciated to the extent we probably should be, but that doesn't invalidate her frustration.

    Michael

  13. CarmineD: Great post! It seems to me that the countries where the Muslims suffer more and are the most unhappy are the countries where the religion is the strongest? The Qur'an has a lot in common with the old testament, e.g. stonings, beatings, etcetera, which is why we need to keep the church out of our government. Their society, law and government is dictated by religion. So I think we can dismiss any insults they hurl as trivial God talk that is ubiquitous throughout Muslim countries. They don't want what the people of the United States have, they want the people of the United States to have Islam. That is what western governments are failing to understand.

  14. Future,

    At this point, it seems likely that there was some kind intelligence failure to properly protect the Ambassador and his mission in Libya, but most of the media is going to be reluctant to cover it as they should because it would reflect badly on the Administration of President Obama. That's just the way it is and it will stay that way.

    Mark Schaffer provides a link to NY Times article that details how difficult it will be to get to the attackers due to the situation in Libya. The government is trying to get off the ground and they depend on militant groups to help with security. If any of these people were involved, the government there isn't going to go after them. The government has also issued an emphatic denial to allowing US armed forces in their country to go after the perpetrators.

    It's mess over there; the administration will probably drag their feet on any investigation until after the election and most of the news media just isn't going to push this story.

    Michael

  15. Future,

    From what has been reported so far, I agree that the Ambassador either should not have been there or should have been afforded more security.

    What I am also pointing out is that when an error like this is made by an R Administration, most of the media is right on it, as they should be. When it's a D in the White House, much of the media is less ready to go after the story with the same gusto.

    This should be an issue in the election but it may not be. The media has to drive stories like this and they don't want to drive this one.

    Michael

  16. Thank you John Wayne. Looks like they're at it again: Syria attacked Turkey with mortar rounds killing innocent civilians. What religion and faith approve such heinous acts in the name of a Supreme Being? Only one.

    CarmineD

  17. Who's bad behavior? Ours? We take sides without knowing what's what and without considering the state of mind of the populace. We have no right to interfere in internal struggles, politics and such. We do have some rights to interfere when they threaten us with meaningful actions. Time for us to butt out of a whole lot of this. If they don't want us there or think they can tell us what to spend our aide money on and that they want more of it (with such disrespect as burning our flag) time to LEAVE. Any country or group that is a real threat will generate a real reaction from Europe, Japan, Brazil..... We could consider joining them, not initiating a fight.

  18. "Who's bad behavior? Ours? We take sides without knowing what's what and without considering the state of mind of the populace."

    In the recent case I posted, UN has jurisdiction since Turkey's rights, according to UN laws, were violated. This makes it the official business of the UN nations. The US has already stated, as have other nations, that we will support any and all action Turkey, our ally, takes against Syria.

    CarmineD

  19. Carmine: I agree some. We can support UN action without carrying 90% of the weight--90% or more of the troops are generally American. 90%-plus of the cost is usually American. LET the UN do it all, with our support and the support of Europe, Brazil... I'm not 24/7 into global conflicts, but I am not aware of UN action in Egypt, Pakistan, Japan, England, Germany, Guam.....

  20. "but I am not aware of UN action in Egypt, Pakistan, Japan, England, Germany, Guam....."

    They were not my example.... BUT they are ALL allies of ours. With the notable exceptions of two, both Muslim controlled by the way, that may not be for long.

    CarmineD