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Saturday, Nov. 17, 2012 | 2 a.m.
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The next president of the United States will be Hillary Clinton.
As sure as the sun comes up in the east and sets in the west, she, with the help of her husband, Bill, will be the 45th president.
Save this letter, and you will know that I was the first to call it.
I can vote for Hillary, I supported her in 2008. But with any luck the Modern Whigs will have a viable candidate by then. :)
The Republicans, if they can get a clue from this year, will get on Christie's case and make him lose 200lbs and run him against her. No way can you vote for a walking heart attack waiting to happen, unless they put Bobby Jindal on the ticket as VP, or maybe Barbour.
In reply to Mike Kerzetski; save this letter? You must be kidding.
The only way Hillary Clinton has a chance at the presidency in 2016 is if President Obama's handling of the economy and foreign affairs turn out well for the country. Based on that premise alone, I wouldn't keep this letter.
Too bad she is not currently.
Wishful thinking. Hillary had her time and didn't, couln't. She's too old. And any energy she cold muster she squandered omn Secretary of State runnning here and there and everywhere so her boss could get in another 9 and/or 18 holes on the green. He made sure she wouldn't run again. She lost to a well managed [read nasty and smear] and momentum building campaign of Barack H. Obama. She's old, tired and looking to enjoy life now with her daughter Chelsea and perhaps some grands.
Bill is the village idiot. Maybe being grandfather will help.
CarmineD
Out of curiosity, I wonder if our contributors have a leading Modern Whig candidate in mind for '16.
boftx (Jim Bacon),
Just because I know you'll ask, I will not be throwing my hat in the ring to be the presidential nominee of the Whig party in 2016. LOL
Seriously, best wishes to you and the Whig party. I hope your new job is working out well for you.
Jim, by election time in year 2016, do you think Hillary's age(69 years old in 2016) would be a potential liability?
PISCES41,
There is no one in particular at the moment, but I can say there have been some feelers extended in both directions. I know that there will be at least a few more Congressional candidates nationwide than there were this year. I can also say that the Convention took steps to improve funding from the membership for both the National and State level organizations.
To be perfectly honest, we are far more interested in getting people into the State legislatures and Congress than having a Presidential candidate at this point.
My personal goal for Nevada is to have at least one Congressional candidate and five State legislature candidates in 2014.
Given the strong libertarian streak (read that as Classical Liberal and NOT Libertarian Party) that runs in Nevada's backbone I think the Whigs should be a natural fit here.
There is much truth in your declaration Mr. Mike Kerzetski, of Las Vegas, Nevada.
Hillary Clinton is the favorite to win the White House in 2016. One thing we do know, the Republicans will not win another National election within the next 12 years. Too many extreme positions, too many extreme individuals out front representing the party. The American People soundly rejected the Republican Platform and the party National candidates.
Vice President Joe Biden sent out subtle messages of running, but this will not happen.
On who is best qualified to be President in 2016, Hillary Clinton stands alone. There is not a Republican, Independent, or Democrat even close to her experience in domestic and international affairs.
Yes, Mr. Kerzetski your declaration is solid, barring any major unexpected change politically. Hillary Clinton is expected to be the President in 2016. One thing we do know, it will not be a Republican.
Don't think you can count on that call until you see what a disaster the next four years are going to be.
RefNV,
As much as I like Hillary, I would have to take a long look at her from the standpoint of whether or not there would be any indicators of her age affecting her mental capacity (assuming there was no Whig candidate.) Revelations about Reagan were disconcerting, to put it mildly. (IBM brought out a Presidential model of the Selectric typewriter, it had no memory and no colon.)
On the other hand, if her only serious opponent was Biden I'd take her in a heartbeat.
I sincerely hope the Republicans get a clue and put up someone like Christie or Barbour, with Jindal in the VP slot.
Again, assuming the Whigs concentrate on local and State races, I think having a choice between Hillary and Christie would be a tough decision for a lot of people in a good way. I can see where the Whigs at the national level could endorse one of those two if we do not have our own candidate. An endorsement of either of the candidates this year was simply out of the question from the very start.
By the way, would you be willing to consider Dog Catcher? :)
RefNV,
I should have said an endorsement by the Whigs of either candidate from the major parties this year was out of the question, and was in fact never considered. We endorsed T.J O'Hara, an Independent, since we had no candidate of our own.
Again, the Whigs are much more concerned with getting people into local, State and Congressional seats than the Presidency at this point in time. Therefore I am free to discuss what kind of Democrat, Republican or any other Presidential candidate I would prefer.
Hilary would have been the best choice but wasn't chosen in 08. Obviously to the voting public both Dem and Rep, experience doesn't mean much as Obama beat her out in 08. I do believe that with current events, which she is responsible for, her legacy is tainted. The next 4 years will tell the tale. If this economy does not turn around you can rest assured that the Dems will not win in 16. A true telling factor will be the midterms in 14.
Keep this letter so I can say you heard it here first.
Boftx wrote "By the way, would you be willing to consider Dog Catcher? :)"
I might be under qualified for that job. LOL
I'm going to risk having a comment removed and point out race might have played an unexpected role in the nomination of Obama over Hillary in 2008. But only in the sense that freed male slaves were given the right to vote long before women were.
This is not so much a matter of race as it is a matter of gender. While no rational person would say that we have resolved the race issues in this country, no rational person would say that women in general are on an equal footing with men, either. The fact that the question of free birth control pills can be used as a wedge issue is proof that the concept gender equality is still sorely misunderstood by both conservatives *and* progressives today.
boftx
Thanks for the reply. I'll watch the evolution of MW with an open mind.
And thank you, PISCES41, that is the best that I, or any other Whig, could hope for.
Ref....I agree with ya! 69 is way to old. Way too much crap to deal with for a atherosclerotic 69 year old brain. 60 should be the limit for that gig.
5 1/2 to 1 at the British Bookies Rubio is 12 to 1, Biden 25 to 1
http://www.oddschecker.com/specials/poli...
Mike Kerzetski:
News Flash Mike...White women rejected Hillary 4 years ago for the present inhabitant of the WH.
Why? I'll never know. Hillary was vastly better qualified for the job but the women decided that they'd rather have a slicky fast talkin' used car salesman that promised the world and delivered free birth control.
Hillary will be in Depends in 4 years. A result of being at 35 thousand feet for the last 4 years. Nope she won't even run. Save this letter folks.
Don't you know? their is a conspiracy to make Obama "President for Life" so time for the teapotties to go to their bunkers and succeed.
Author, after eight years of Obama, I assure you democrats won't be welcome in The White House or on The Hill.
I wish to Thank both Bill and Hillary for their service to this country. I would support Hillary in a heartbeat if she decides to run again. I hope she does, and will be available to help anyway I can. I know too many people in their 70's that are still very capable, plus wise. Age is not what it was in the past. Modern humans can be productive much later than in the past.
Kerzetski,
Unfortunately, the current and 44th President of the United States will be our last. You may wish to "save this letter."
Purgatory
My selection over Hillary was the guy who supported a single payer universal healthcare plan. Now, I can't even remember his name.
My focus was on a healthcare cost control solution, because of the out of control costs for everyone & our economy. I didn't like the plans that H Clinton and B Obama presented.
Now, some have begun to speak of a woman reaching 69 being incapable of clear and reasoned thought because surely she will be demented soon. Clearly, dementia is already underway in some of the male minds in this forum and elsewhere.
Why isn't that issue raised about men? Surely, there is plenty of reason to ask when you hear McConnell, McCain and others.
You may want to examine your deeper conditioning toward women before you start making such assumptions or speculations.
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Btw, about "free contraception". I get really irritated with all the people that think women are so superficial to have that be the reason they vote for anyone.
This proves there is no change in the lack of respect toward women as equals.
I will express my thoughts on why that issue was important.
It wasn't about "free" pills. It was about having them covered under group insurance, with a copay equal to all other pills, including the Viagra that men wanted add to their insurance.
The issue about religion dictating what could be covered is unjust for the reason that it is totalitarian, not giving Catholics and non-Catholics employed in their institutions the right to follow their conscience, which is also a teaching in the Catholic church. Or having an employer decide whether they are covered.
It is an issue about freedom of choice, and against archaic thinking.
Another reason it was an important issue was that "men" were the ones dictating, acting as spokesmen, initiating and signing laws that prohibit women from having freedom of choice about their reproductive rights, their bodies, as well as some forcing a woman to have an invasive procedure without medical necessity.
This is the way the Taliban or other Islamic extremists treat women. It is insane.
That is a pretty important issue for women, and another good indication why universal healthcare in needed in our country.
Men can have their opinions, and partners have a right to their decision making, but politicians and religious leaders have no right to dictate to women on this issue.
Free choice doesn't prohibit a woman from following her conscience in either direction.
People can show their stupidity and disrespect for women by continuing to think that "free contraception" was the issue, or a 69 year old woman too near dementia to be President, and that shows why we have such a messed up country. It is because of messed up thinking of a good number of men, including some in Congress. Dementia is not gender specific.
I understand that some men have moved away from this kind of thinking, and I applaud their rational evolution.
Peacelily wrote "Men can have their opinions, and partners have a right to their decision making, but politicians and religious leaders have no right to dictate to women on this issue".
The same can be said for San Francisco's attempt to outlaw circumcision. Just another example of liberal politicians wanting more decision-making control over your newborn child. "The citizens' initiative, which made the ballot in May 2011 after supporters gathered the required 7,163 signatures, would have made the practice a misdemeanor offense punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 or up to one year in jail. The initiative did not offer exemptions for religious rituals such as the Jewish bris or Muslim khitan."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27...
RefNV,
I consider that law to be just as stupid and lacking in justice, no matter who does it.
That said, I have assisted at the circumcision of newborns, and it is a barbaric procedure.
I was horrified as I observed the newborns turn blue crying, and pain so bad they were unable to make a sound although crying. It was nothing but torture, literally. At that time no anesthesia was used.
Obviously, I don't support circumcision without anesthesia. It seems enough to cause PTSD.
I don't know about the practice now, since there has been so much controversy. I do know that it is performed on adults males under anesthesia.
There are serious health risks for non-circumcised males and any sexual partner they may have. There is scientific medical facts that would support circumcision, as well as those on the opposite side who would refute the research, as happens in many things.
I am for freedom of choice, and each person taking the responsibility for the outcomes of their choices in human sexuality, from beginning to end. Multiple choices have to be made in the process.
The problem is that a newborn has no freedom of choice, so it is in the hands of the parents. Unless they choose not to have the newborn circumcised, leaving it to his decision when he is an adult, the infant has no choice.
Btw, this is not an issue limited to SF. It is a global issue that other countries have tried to deal with as well, legally and otherwise.
The " modern whigs" are just republicans trying to distance themselves from the Tea Party. On social issues they are too far towards right. I don't see them going anywhere.
peacelily....Great comments.
The reason that republicans on this post talk
against Hillary, is that they already know that if
Hillary runs she will beat ANY republican in the
country.
Nick......
I agree.
The modern wigs are republicans who don't want to
be called republicans.
They fool no one.
They're going nowhere.
Mike.....
YES, if Hillary runs, she will be president.
Here's why Hillary will not make president.
Congratulations to the Democrats and Young People! You now own it and you can't blame Bush.
The next terrorist attack you own it.
Can't get a job after graduation, you own it.
Sky rocketing energy prices due to Obama's EPA shutting down the energy producing states, you own it.
A nuclear Iran, you own it.
Bowing to the Soviet Union, you own it.
Another severe recession, you own it.
A volatile border with Mexico, you own it.
Trouble getting good health care, you own it.
Higher health insurance costs and health care costs, you own it.
No budget, you own it.
Our allies mistrust, you own it.
Another trillion of debt, you own it.
More Benghazi situations, you own it.
No one willing to join the military, you own it.
Trouble getting a loan to buy a home, you own it.
More dependency on food stamps, you
own it.
Trouble finding good employment, you own it.
Several part time jobs instead of a good job, you own it.
A World Government, you own it.
The UN governing the United States instead of ourselves, you own it.
A Senate that will not bring any legislation to the table even if it is "Dead on Arrival", you own it.
China controlling our world trade trampling all over us, you own it.
Loss of our freedoms as we have known it in the past, you own it.
A dictatorship instead of a democracy that follows the Constitution, you own it.
Less take home pay and higher living costs, you own it.
Driving a car that looks like a toy, you own it.
More government corruption and lies, you own it.
More toleration of extreme and fanatical Islamist s, you own it.
Terrorist attacks called work place incidents, you own it.
Your revenge instead of love of country, you own it.
President George Bush is out of it now, and
there is not another good man for you to vilify and lie about. In a way
I am relieved that another good man will not be blamed when it was
impossible to clean up this mess you voted for.God is our hope now.
let the fiscal cliff hit. Let Obama and his socialist party do
EVERYTHING they want and when the economy comes
to a grinding halt, The takers will take to the streets
demanding even more from the makers.Raise taxes on the job producers
and lets get the show on the road. The sooner this country hits bottom,
The sooner we can bring the country back !!
God bless the United States!
At the risk of appearing politically INcorrect, government seems to be trying to give minorities a turn. Sure, it is possible to see Hillary Clinton as President. Who would be the Republicans to run against her? Can Sarah Palin at this point? Or will it be a Hispanic candidate? This is the age of spreading the liability of responsibility.
Commenter Peacelily pretty well said it. I also agree with Commenter Boftx, who penned, "I'm going to risk having a comment removed and point out race might have played an unexpected role in the nomination of Obama over Hillary in 2008. But only in the sense that freed male slaves were given the right to vote long before women were.
This is not so much a matter of race as it is a matter of gender. While no rational person would say that we have resolved the race issues in this country, no rational person would say that women in general are on an equal footing with men, either."
To Commenter SimplySaid, maybe opening the Bible to Revelations or Isiah is a better indicator of what humanity "owns". There is, afterall, "Nothing new under the sun". Throughout the ages, prophets and intuitives, as Nostradamus, saw the handwriting on the wall. Humanity still struggles to play well together, so we experience the events, issues, and crisis on this planet as we do.
Blessings and Peace,
Star
Since you can predict what is going to happen four years from now, can you tell me what the winning lotto numbers will be this week?
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<<Now, some have begun to speak of a woman reaching 69 being incapable of clear and reasoned thought because surely she will be demented soon. Clearly, dementia is already underway in some of the male minds in this forum and elsewhere>>
Bravo, Peacelilly!!! And Carmine leads the pack. The odd thing is a lot of the "male minds" here are much younger than Hillary!! Reagan didn't really govern his second term because he was in the beginning stages of dementia/Altheimers. Even at the beginning stages of that horrid disease, it is hard for someone to make day-to-day decisions, let alone run a country. But I don't see anyone commenting on that. Maybe because he was a man.
I doubt Hillary will run in 2016. She may very well be a grandma by then and will want to enjoy the time with her family. This last 4 years alone were draining on her.
@RefNV
I've been enjoying reading your comments since the election. I find it refreshing that people can move on from their differences and have cordial "conversations". Of course, there are still some that just won't move on already and it's their problem, but I'm glad most have moved on.
Det__Munch,
With all due respect, you have mentioned a positive and a negative? Peacelily and Carmine have two totally different positions. And RefNV cannot explain his positions.
What is your point?