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President Barack Obama arrives at McCarran Airport in Las Vegas on Wednesday, March 21, 2012, for an energy policy speech at a solar plant in Boulder City.
By Karoun Demirjian (contact) 
Wednesday, March 21, 2012 | 2 a.m.
Republicans have been pointing an increasingly accusing finger at President Barack Obama’s energy policies the last few weeks, blaming them for gas prices that have steadily risen to more than double what they were when Obama took office.
When the president kicks off a national two-day energy tour today in Nevada, he will be delivering the following retort: Not only are my energy policies great, but you love what they’ve done.
Boulder City’s Copper Mountain Solar 1 facility is the first of four energy backdrops Obama’s selected to highlight his administration’s multifaceted approach to energy development as he moves across the country. It is also the only solar facility on the short list, which includes tours of oil- and gas-drilling rigs in New Mexico, research and development facilities in Ohio, and a pipe storage yard in Oklahoma — where Obama plans to announce the construction of an oil pipeline to the Gulf of Mexico.
There are no similar project or policy announcements scheduled for the president’s turn through Boulder City; for Obama, the Nevada leg of the trip is about highlighting and defending a longstanding renewable energy policy he believes has been productive.
Copper Mountain Solar 1 is no ordinary photovoltaic power plant, even for Nevada, which ranks third in the nation for utility-scale solar projects. The nation’s biggest solar energy generator (the plant has a 58 MW production capacity), which was financed in part with $40 million worth of federal investment tax credits — “part of a set of tax incentives supported by the Obama administration that are helping move private investors off the sidelines,” the White House notes — was recognized by various industry rankings as the No. 1 plant in the nation following its completion in 2010.
The plant has also been roundly praised by Nevada political officials of all party stripes: Last year, Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval said Copper Mountain “exemplifies my goal of making Nevada the renewable energy capital of the country.”
Operating company Sempra, based in California, currently has plans to build two more solar facilities with even bigger power-generating capacity on land adjacent to the current Copper Mountain site.
“Thanks in part to commitments we have made, renewable energy from sources like wind and solar is set to double in the president’s first term,” a White House official said Tuesday.
But while the Copper Mountain project is a successful example of how the president’s policies helped turn sunshine into positive energy production, it’s the president who now needs the helpful afterglow of Copper Mountain’s universal popularity to brighten his reputation — even on renewable energy.
Copper Mountain Solar One, a thin film photovoltaic solar facility off U.S. 95 in Boulder City seen Thursday, February 10, 2011.
Republicans haven’t just been questioning Obama’s contribution to the rising prices at the pump. They’ve also been questioning whether the administration’s focused investments in solar and other renewable energy industries have or really will translate into savings for the energy consumer or the jobs for the nation’s unemployed.
The promise of “green jobs” was one of the driving forces behind public reception in Nevada for the new energy economy, the image of which has been rendered most succinctly as a photovoltaic panel glistening under the hot desert sun. But by various measures, the numbers just aren’t meeting the size of expectations.
Renewable energy jobs are growing in number, but the number remains small: Fewer than 10,000 between 2003 and 2010, according to a study by the Brookings Institution.
Even Copper Mountain is tied to that trend. Though it produced 350 jobs at the peak of construction in 2010, there are only five permanent on-site positions today.
Neither have many of the promised fiscal benefits of investing in renewable energy been realized. According to a clean energy study released earlier this month by Sen. Harry Reid’s office, Nevada’s economy stands to gain more than $1 billion from the renewable energy projects that are already under way — Boulder City stands to gain $12 million per year from the Copper Mountain project alone — but in these early stages, prices of renewable-produced electricity remain high compared to carbon-fueled sources, and local municipalities, because of tax incentives, are not yet seeing a revenue return.
In Nevada, there’s more bipartisan support for a continued focus on renewable energy than in most states. Sandoval, for one, has focused on clean energy as a potential export industry for Nevada. Republican Sen. Dean Heller, too, has supported the development of renewable energy as a state industry as well as portfolio standards and certain tax credits to keep that development humming. But he has also questioned whether the government’s financial policies to support renewable energy — especially loan guarantees, which were the focus of last year’s Solyndra scandal — are entirely necessary.
Copper Mountain Solar One, a thin film photovoltaic solar facility off U.S. 95 in Boulder City seen Thursday, February 10, 2011.
More recently, Heller has been an extremely vocal critic of Obama’s energy policies vis-a-vis gas prices, though he has joined party colleagues more to decry the president’s lack of movement on the Keystone XL oil pipeline and support for a “cap-and-trade” system of allotting carbon credits than Obama’s specific proposals on renewable energy investments.
Heller has sought to tie his chief rival for the Senate, Democratic Rep. Shelley Berkley, to Obama’s positions in those areas and use Berkley’s support for those presidential policies to blame her for rising gas prices, as well. Berkley, meanwhile, has accused Heller of favoring oil and sought to reinstate expired tax incentives for renewable energy by stripping similar incentives from oil and gas companies.
The president won’t be engaging in such a war of favoritism as Nevada’s two Senate hopefuls are on Wednesday: Solar is the topic du jour for the first stop only; the rest of his tour through the United States will, in fact, be dominated by conversations about oil, in which the president is likely to try to expand the current cries over gas prices into a broader conversation about the nation’s energy priorities.
Still, national Republicans are seizing on his solar summit in Nevada to try to paint him into another either-or scenario — despite the support of local Republicans for some of the very projects and tax incentive schemes the president will be highlighting.
“President Obama is back in Nevada talking about renewable energy rather than how he will reduce Nevadans’ pain at the pump or help them find a job,” Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus said in a statement Tuesday. “Nevadans deserve solutions from their president, but they’re only hearing excuses and seeing their tax dollars wasted on the president’s pet projects.”
The president’s supporters, however, believe this is a moment for Nevada to shine on a national stage and cement the promised clean energy future that can be fully realized only in a future much longer than the stormy election season.
“The opponents of renewable energy will continue trying to derail Nevada’s and the nation’s efforts to build a cleaner and safer energy future,” Reid wrote in a Sun op-ed Tuesday. “Nevada’s work to take advantage of its renewable energy resources does not come without risk, but we cannot turn away from clean energy and miss our opportunity to strengthen Nevada’s future with a victory in clean energy.”
The energy generated will wind up being sold to California anyway due to California's nutty environmental laws.
Why is there so much hatred for POTUS (President of the United States) Obama. I don't get it. Please don't tell me it's all about politics. There's something else and I can't pint my finger on it.
Solar plants do not put gasoline in a car today.
$4.25 gas is bad for the working poor and the American economy.
Obama's new found embrace of an "an all of the above" energy strategy that Obama ran against in 2008 is laughable. One of Obama's first acts as President was an Executive Order to rescind the federal lands and offshore tract that Bush opened up to drilling. Obama's second act was to slow-walk permitting to 1/3 the releases.
Obama keeps telling us We now produce LESS domestic oil then we did 9 years ago.
Obama has emphasized increasing oil production in Brazil, Saudi Arabia, and else where which is more expense to drill and ship and have no enviromental controls. Obama rejected the Keystone XL pipeline.
Obama was fulfilling one of his most important 2008 campaign pledges. Obama in 2008 rejected an "All of the Above" energy strategy in favor of price rationing.
Gas price are up to $4.25 a gallon at the pump and Obama was ecstatic. Then In a news conference Obama said oops he is concerned about gas prices affecting his re election
When Obama took office it was $1.84 per gallon. At $4.25 that is $335 billion of lost disposable income. And we still have a annual $500 billion dependence on oil from other countries.Obama is conditioning us to accept $5 gas.
Obama EPA shutting down or better yet "bankrupting coal" putting the countries electric grid at risk.
The Midwest Independent Transmission System Operator, Inc. (MISO) Vice President of Transmission Asset Management yesterday warned the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) that the proposed Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) air emission rules pose threats
to power reliability.
The concerns focus on the 2014/2015 compliance deadline for the EPA's proposed mercury rule, which provides limited time for the installation of new emission control equipment or capacity replacement. To comply, generation owners must remove units from service simultaneously, which will provide inadequate generation resources to sustain reliable electricity supply. "As a result, 62,000 MW of coal units could potentially be unavailable for reliability purposes -- all at the same time."
http://www.energylawtimes.com/miso-reque...
The terrorists would be proud!
Worse than Bush.
Less transparency.
Further erosion of civil rights.
More killing and wars.
Didn't hate Bush because he was white, don't hate Obama because he is black.
Heads will explode all around southern Nevada when the president visits. Too bad we can't harness that unlimited supply of bad energy and turn it into something positive.
There's quite a difference between the "proven Reserves' in fossils and the actual amount of oil and gas in our soil. And if you think drilling for it NOW is smart, think about it this way: Prices are going UP as the world (esp. India, China) moves into a position to utilize these intensely RICH deposits of an Incredibly VALUABLE energy form.
Add to the picture the notion that as the finite reserves are guzzled or eventually sipped, the price is likely to skyrocket, and TAADAA...we have the end game in our sights.
The gallon at $50 One question for all you 'alternative' haters: Is worth sunning ourselves for awhile in order to achieve $100 a gallon gas to 10 Billion folks in China, 6 Billion in India, etc??
What do we gain from the RAPID decline in cost of PV while the efficiencies have gone over 20% compared to significantly lower efficiencies and waaay higher prices for the things just a decade ago??
By implementing efficiency standards, implementing AVAILABLE sunlight and breezes to handle our current (!) loads, we are buying time. Time is on the side of the guy who plans for the future.
NOT drilling quite so fast while saving what we can save accomplishes many goals simultaneously: rapid improvements in housing stock and city planning, AWARENESS of potentials, improved education/understanding of what we DO HAVE IN Abundance; AND THE BIG ONE - THE GLOBAL RISE IN need FOR WHAT LIES BENEATH OUR CRUST - the most practical and richly concentrated forms of energy that can safely be shipped to others for a fortune down the road.
How many of you can remember "Walk softly and carry a big stick!"?
New version: "Walk SLOWLY and carry a big drill! as we are making hay while the sun shines!"
Alternatives can lower your bills, replace most of our needs and supply the big one: the proper spur for us to ADDRESS our needs, to reduce our piggy practices and teach our children what tomorrow could hold if they would just grab this energy thing by the ears.
If all we do is learn to run off the sun and live in peace and harmony, what's wrong with that? If we accomplish this AND sell $1000 a gallon oil to BILLIONS of pigs around the world, who wins??
But if we keep on acting like there's no tomorrow, then we lose. Questions?
100 years ago, America had about 20,000 cars on the road.
50 years ago photovoltaics were about one tenth the efficiency of today's and aroun 100 times the cost.
The drive to improve is the American strength; so is poker, especially the end game.
Don't fool yourself anymore; the time to improve what we hold and how we secure our future is now.
The quality of what I do depends on how much TIME and ENERGY I can have to make it right. Right??
Quit guzzling; start sipping from the loving cup, and pass it around.
air, the proven reserves of NG have gone up 40% over the past year due to new drilling and discovery techniques. The amazing thing is the government had little to do with it!
Watch Germany to see how Obumma's energy policies will play out.
Energy Expert: Germany's Renewable Energy Transition "Will Fail Spectacularly -- Heavily Damaging The Economy"
"Years ago Germany ambitiously embarked on transforming its energy supply system, and hopes to supply at least 80% of its energy needs through renewable energies by 2050, and thus become a moral leader on environmental responsibility for the rest of the world."
"The problem is that these energy sources are weather-dependent and thus their sporadic supply is starting to wreak havoc on Germany's power grid and is even now threatening to destabilize power grids all across Europe. The other problem: the power grid needed to distribute the decentrally produced green power is simply not there yet. They forgot to build it! So far, after tens of billions of euros spent on renewable energy systems and higher prices for consumers, not a single coal or gas-fired power plant has been taken offline. To the contrary, old inefficient German plants have been brought back into service in an effort to stabilize the grid."
http://notrickszone.com/2012/01/25/energ...
The question is: 4 years later, are we any BETTER?
Have those responsible for all the creative profiteering on WALL STREET been prosecuted for their crimes? NO, and they are continuing the same path that led to the crash! This President is NO better than any of the others. Our Constitutional freedoms and liberties continue to be assaulted and even taken away from us, NOT going the direction of strengthening and empowering citizens in the United States of America.
Our national budget is UNresolved, and political gridlock and posturing has brought our country to a standstill....hardly productive!
We the People, the Voters, share in that blame and share in that problem. At this point, it will take a revolution to turn things around and get our nation back on track. And the People have got to want that and DO that.
Yes, Mr.President, the sun shines and the wind blows, and the underground springs heated water here in Nevada, as does complacency, apathy, and corruuption. If you believe green energy for Nevadans so adamently, then put the learning about it in our children's hands in our schools! Equip Nevada's schools with educational units providing hands-on materials and quality instruction on green energy and tool our youth towards careers related to the green energy movement in our country!
Blessings and Peace,
Star
Obama can defend his incompetence all day long, the American people are catching on. Even the ideological left who will likely stick to their agenda are starting to admit that right or wrong, this is not the person to carry it out. They are starting to see that when someone who is all theory and no experience, all cattle and no hat is at the helm failure is only a matter of time.
The only question is will we learn soon enough to not reelect him. Unfortunately for the county, Obama more than any president since Lyndon Johnson and to a worse effect hired all his ideological friends and fellow academic do nothings that the damage is greater to a faster degree, it may take a decade or more to repair the damage if at all. Some may be permanent and cannot be undone.
Fortunately, because of this accelerated, obvious and cataclysmic damage to our constitution, government, economy, world economic and political standing there may be enough who seen the end to get him out of office despite a non-unified field of unlikely candidates.
Were national politics not so personally damaging for (most/those not of candidates given a pass dispute their obvious lack of qualifications) families and candidates, and so expensive, the opposition might have been able to muster a better slate of potential office holders. Most of the folks we could all get behind were scared away from the thought of running.
Anyway, Obama and his lemmings in the administration, like Secretary Chu for example, can defend his foolish blind rush to throw money away on ventures not ready despite global evidence the time is not here yet while destroying our current capacities has hopefully awakened enough to stop his march to socialism, dictatorship by committee and the collapse of America into just another second or third world failure.
To William Clarke
In 2009, Obama committed to reducing the national debt by half. Instead he doubled it. See video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQUU2ZL6...
In the video, listen how he says he doesn't want to straddle future generations with a mountain of debt. And what did he do? He straddled future generations by accumulation more debt on his watch than any other President in history. So my issue with Obama is that he hasn't managed our nation's finances AND as a business consultant, I can clearly tell you he is anti-business. And apparently, Jeffrey Emmelt,General Electric CEO and an advisor to Obama's administration on economics, is "privately dismayed, according to friends, that, even after three years on the job, President Obama hasn't moved to the center, but instead further left. The GE CEO, is appalled by everything from the president's class-warfare rhetoric to his continued belief that big government is the key to economic salvation."
Or, as one friend recently put it, "Jeff thought he could make a difference, and now realizes he couldn't."
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/ope...
Solar power is to southern Nevada what Mitt Romney is to flip-flopping and pandering.
In other words, it's a natural fit.
What a joke. Around where I live Border patrol all drive gas guzzling Tahoe's. And we dont even have a border!!!!!!!!!!
i'm no huge Obama fan, but do you uber-haters really think that Romney (who WILL be the choice on the right) will be any less in the pocket of wall street and big pharm? This country electoral system lacks the ability to provide the citizens trues choices on who to elect.
It's either vote for the left-leaning corrupt official in the pocket of wall street and major pharm who gives the appearance of being concerned for city folks, minorities, and women--or vote for the right-leaning corrupt official in the pocket of wall street and major pharm who gives the appearance of being concerned for rural folks, religious people, and the pro-military sect.
it all just makes folks in the middle (or on the outside, if you will) left shaking our head that you all--on both sides--get caught up in the hate spewing, catch-phrasing of your chosen "side" in all this and feed into exactly what your chosen "side" wants--divisiveness and hatred.
Both sides have sunk to the lowest level of "us" vs "them" and its pretty damn sad.
Unfortunately LaDiDa, your sitting on your couch, typing into your computer and making claims you can't substantiate. Obama just didn't manage our nation's finances like he stated he would. Nuff said.
While Obama here his 13r-old daughter is on spring break in mexico with 25 secret service agents. Eat my carbon footprint, taxpayers!
dipstick,
If you take the ratios of, for example, Exxon's profit last year and scale it to an individual you would have the following:
For an annual salary of $50,000
Yearly expenses = $42,500 (85% of revenue)
Monthly expenses = $3,541
Yearly Savings = $3,750 (7.5%)
Monthly savings = $312
Exxon's profit equals $312 dollars per month savings as an individual.
$9.4B profit last year sounds big but it's much smaller when you realize it's relative to everything else cost-wise being at a much higher scale.
Hey Joe Lamy. Finite? When did the earth STOP making oil?
It is called green energy because it takes a lot of taxpayer money.
Also, friends of Obama get a lot green dollars out the deal.
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So I take it all of this energy Nevada is creating means CHEAP or free power bills, right?? lol
OK Bob Coburn, you GOT me on that one. HAhaha
Truth be told, we're nabbing and using fossils that once were organic items (i.e. as in living things once powered by the sun and containing carbon) and then Mother Nature refined them over a few kazillion years and we pump 'em into our SUVs and zoom around the crust or zip across the sky or heat our houses and shower water and stuff.
But the point I was making and your point are still on point, if you will; We're guzzling at a rate far faster than our planet is making the stuff, right?
In the last fifty years or so, I'd hazard a guess of the score: Human combustion - 999 Kazillion barrels used compared to Mother Nature's production of 2 pints. lol
But you got me, you got me good! lol
So in effect we're consuming EXTREMELY dense and powerful solar deposits from antiquity that took like forever to make. We're burning it like wildfire and dumping the carbon trash in the sky just like we had good sense, which we don't have too much of, IMHO... '...like a snowball headed for hell...' comes to mind. lol
It's Merle;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxLtXJzo3...
Dip: cancelled pipelines, drilling on federal lands down 11% just last year, permit process dragged out by Obama regulatory agencies, no ANWR. Connect the dots, Obama told us energy prices will "necessarily skyrocket". Enjoy!
nobody answered me last time i asked, and i don't know the answer:
Aren't the fossil fuel plants built throughout the country also heavily subsidized by the federal and state governments?
Looks like gas will continue to go up based on the administration's policies. Enjoy!
"The administration's new tax-reform proposal indicates a continued stubbornness to pick winners and losers in the marketplace -- slashing, among others, broad-based provisions that benefit all industries such as accelerated depreciation, deductions for interest expense, LIFO for inventory accounting along with tax provisions for the oil and gas industry in order to finance tax breaks and permanent credits for expensive renewable energy."
http://news.investors.com/article/604964...
Thank GOD that the light of the SUN shines down on our wonderful President and Senator Mr Harry Reid. Unlike the sick cynicism expressed in the "Regressive Journal"
Okay LaDiDa,
I'll bite.
It's a fairly convoluted picture, but OH YEAH do they get subsidies or WHAT??...
http://www.iisd.org/gsi/sites/default/fi...
page 23...NUkes make about a nickel for every KWH they crank out. Those plants are EXTREMELY costly, especially considering the lube they used to RAM 'em down our throats, as in "Electricity too cheap to meter!"
Fossil plants get about a penny, just for the plants. Then there's drilling, transport, pipelines, shipping, rights-of way, etc.
Alternatives, the new guys on the block, face an uphill battle wrestling a couple of bucks to research and develop. And efficiencies have doubled in ten years and costs have dropped by 75%, making them darn good and reasonably inexpensive for the little guy who can reduce load, install solar, and save gobs of dough along with some deposits for the grand-kids.
Here's a good blog...
http://blog.cleanenergy.org/2011/03/08/u...
And here's a fight in New Jersey over why and how to reduce rates with alternatives
http://www.njspotlight.com/stories/12/03...
Did he mention that the output of the solar plant is going to california?? What's in it for Nevada? Did he mention that by 2025(Icould be wrong on the date without looking it up again)PG&E will own it lock stock and barrel?
You can't argue facts with those on the extreme right.
As noted by many we are producing more oil now than we did just 10 years ago and consumption is lower, but those on the far right refuse to acknowledge that truth.
Speculators are driving the cost of oil up as irresponsible politicians are saber rattling about invading Iran, but simple minded people prefer to blame the president.
One clown went as far as to dump on Obama's daughter for taking a trip to Mexico.
They argue about the pipeline creating jobs not realizing that oil is marked to be sold to China, and the pipeline will eventually be built.
They argue green energy is a failure but would rather hand billions to an industry that is making huge profits. It takes time for technology to develop, but that is a concept not easily grasped by those on the fringe.
The extremists are attempting to turn us back to the 19th century writing new Jim Crow laws, creation in school laws, anti religion laws, anti women laws or anti "anything we don't agree with" laws.
The president was absolutely correct in saying some of you belong to the Flat Planet Society.
Nicely put airweare. I have absolutely no clue why anyone in their right mind would be the slightest bit against renewable energy sources. It's a lot like planting a fruit tree that you are told will produce fruit for 3 years and then give you nothing else, versus planting a tree that will give you fruit for 100 years. The 100 year tree is going to cost you more up front, but it's also going to take care of your needs and your descendants needs. Our biggest problem in this country as far as this particular thing goes is that we have become such an instant gratification society. I will have been long dead when the price of a gallon of gas tops the $50 you mentioned, and a few thousand years after that I'll probably amount to about a pint of the stuff myself! So really is there any reason for me to care one way or the other? I think there is. It may not be my kids or theirs paying the price for our foolishness now, but our descendants will eventually pay, and it would be nice to keep that in mind.
One quick question for RefNV: The president can talk about what he would like to do with a budget till the cows come home, but it was the gridlocked congress that refused to pass the budget he wanted which would have at least come close to doing what he had planned, so how does their stonewalling become his fault?
"One quick question for RefNV: The president can talk about what he would like to do with a budget till the cows come home, but it was the gridlocked congress that refused to pass the budget he wanted which would have at least come close to doing what he had planned, so how does their stonewalling become his fault?"
Obama had majorities in both the house and the senate his first two years yet failed to cut the deficit in half as promised.
RefNV - "Obama had majorities in both the house and the senate his first two years yet failed to cut the deficit in half as promised."
You forgot to add the fact that those first two years had the highest number of filibusters, ever. Include secret holds on appointees and a host of other tactics stalling the president and congress.
So much for not getting into the political discussion, huh, Mr. Realist......
Vernos, after the president cancelled the pipeline i speculated that the price of oil would, oh, i don't know, go up maybe?
With the delay to permitting and reduced drilling on federal lands, down 11% last year, i again speculated that the price of oil would go up maybe?
I miss old henry waxmen berating various ceo and wall st types for speculatin, it appeals to the mindless far left and provides comic relief for the rest.
rusty57 - "With the delay to permitting and reduced drilling on federal lands, down 11% last year, i again speculated that the price of oil would go up maybe?"
Apparently facts don't matter to you, do they? Under Obama oil production in the U.S. is higher than it was in the last eight years. Importing foreign oil is down amd American consumption is down.
Murdoch's Wall Street Journal and Koch-Fueled Cato Agree: "It's Not Obama's Fault That Crude Oil Prices Have Increased
How obvious is it that oil prices, set on a world market, are all but impervious to government policies? So obvious that even Rupert Murdoch's WSJ and the Koch-fueled Cato Institute feel compelled to make the case.
Wall Street Journal: "U.S. gasoline prices, like prices throughout the advanced economies, are determined by global market forces. It is hard to see how Mr. Obama's policies can be blamed."
Cato Institute: "Is President Obama responsible for spiraling price of gasoline? Republicans say yes, but the facts say no."
"The plant doesn't benefit Nevada so it is obvious he is defending the plant which provides energy to California. Does he have any major contributors in California?"
Mr. Realist, doesn't the article say that Boulder City gets $12 million a year? That is beneficial to Neavda, right?
I am personally a believer in the free market, and feel it's the developers right to sell their product (energy) to the highest bidder??--which happens to be California, hence the power purchase agreement with a California power utility company. Based on your commentary above I assume you are a "conservative" or on the "right". Seems contrary to the "rights" belief to say that the government should be telling the developer who to sell their product to, correct? Interesting points of view to take on this, sir.
If it were up to the teabag conservatives civilization would still be hunters and gatherers.
Imagine there was no Hoover Dam and President Obama proposed building it. Deranged teabags would go batsh** bonkers crazy and call for impeachment.
Luckily, young voters have abandoned the GOP in droves and left it to ride off into the sunset with gramps and granny. It's just a matter of time until the republican Flat Earth Society finds itself buried in the trash heap of history.
Pretty funny comment Bob the realist.
The realistic answer is that because of crazies like we have posting on the boards here, remember, it takes only one loser to change history, and there are a TON of right wing losers on these comments.
Haha. Funny.
Dear JefffromVegas: who is supposed to pay for all of your Leftwing fantasies? The chickens are coming home to roost and the eggs will be all over Obama the Ideologue's face.
I'll bet dollars to donuts Obama doesn't even have a valid driver license. Any takers?
All I here is "I hate Obama" nothing of substance or reality!
You people are pathetic! I expect more from educated free people in this country! Yet you act like you come from a third world country with little education!
If you post that you don't like Obamas policies or that they do some negative thing then site the policy and how it is in fact negative! Otherwise your just a bumper sticker slogan!
I will start hitting the flag button on every post that doesn't support their statements with some facts... so all the anti obama crap is getting a flag unless you site a policy and how it is actually in reality causing a real problem. No talking points.. only facts! If you think he is a socialist support that with facts.. maybe even look up socialist to make sure you don't sound like an idiot that doesn't even know what your talking about!
I have strived to provide real factual information in my posts. I don't generally engage in politics because results are more important than ideology. Yet I am drowned in stupid comments by people that just bash Obama or call people Greeners or liberals or whatever... they add nothing to the conversation and I believe meet the flagging requirement because it is hate speech and name calling! Bring something to the table and maybe people will respect your views.
mikegino.......
President Obama drove a Chrysler 300 when he was
a Senator.
That car is now worth over a million dollars.
Any takers?
PRESIDENT OBAMA IS DOING A GREAT JOB!!!!
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
bimmerdude........
Even the republicans running for president do
nothing but bash President Obama.
WHY?
Because they have no new plan other than going
back to the same old bush plan.
They think they're going to fool voters again.
IT WON'T WORK!
Vernos: The FACTS are drilling is up on private and state land and down on Federal. Obama taking credit for this is like him taking credit for Snookie's preganncy.
Bimmerdude: Nobody hates anybody. We ae troubled by a president who needs to "bankrupt coal" thereby putting the nations electric grid reliability in jeopardy. Say hello to rolling brownouts and blackouts. Al Qaeda would be so proud.
62 Gigawatts from wind and solar to replace coal, good luck with that.
LastThroes: "If it were up to the teabag conservatives civilization would still be hunters and gatherers."
That's a laugh. And also the goal of Eco-Whacko groups.
@bimmerdude: I like your post just be sure to flag those that also hate Republicans or Conservatives. You wouldn't want everyone to think that your flags were one sided.
I think that green energy is great for the future. That said, the minute Harry Reid and Obama are gone, Yucca is going to rise from the grave like a zombie and Yucca Mountain (the screw Nevada bill) will be back.
We're going to get screwed by this anyway, and we have a fine history of prostitution in the Vegas valley. Make them pay. Make them fund Nevada education, healthcare, and infrastructure out the wazoo in return for this.