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Wednesday, March 14, 2012 | 2 a.m.
My thanks to David Crowell for a well-written letter, “Agendas distract from issues,” on March 12. His perspective was exactly right. I do hope more people come to understand the corrosive societal effects that surface and undermine our potential for greatness when we permit misinformation to define our conversations. Emotions generated by false accusations and misinformation could be better spent working to generate productivity (that comes best through unity, honesty and understanding). As it is, there are many Americans who won’t believe facts when facts are presented to them. We are so conditioned to take sides against one another that ...
Tricia,
I agree, the issues sometime get clouded over by other topics that have political value but don't solve anything. The real question is, why does one party or the other distract? The answer is that a particular party wants to score a political point and hide a party deficiency they can't readily defend. They want to create a connection with a voting block by identifying either a victim or an enemy within a particular issue then they'll give the chosen enemy the full Alinsky; identify him, isolate him, freeze him and escalate their attacks on him. This will play out over and over during the run-up towards November's election. It will be interesting to see whether or not voters get tired and turned off by this tactic that they end up voting in the party that stuck to discussing the issues of our time. The worst scenario for a politician is still seeing the same problems exist when they were elected originally, saying back when they were elected they would fix the problem then dodge the issue during the very next election cycle......it looks so bad and we'll see this particular scenario this election cycle. Dodge and distract.
Time to get back to talking about the morbid 2% economy, food robbing $4.25 gas, Obamacare rationing, the pain of the 25% underemployed, and $16 trillion in debt.
Tricia - An excellent letter. We do need to talk to each other - not shout at each other. We should all "be the change you want to see in this world".
Well written and said. Big minds listen and hear all views and decide based on all of them. Small minds can't understand any except their own.
Carmine A. DiFazio
Ms. Tricia Abbas is correct about misinformation, an excellent letter. Setting the record straight people should know that most of the 10 poorest states in the country are Republican. Mississippi is the poorest followed by Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, Montana, South Carolina, Kentucky, and North Carolina. Texas has one in five people living in poverty.
Future - "Time to get back to talking about the morbid 2% economy, food robbing $4.25 gas, Obamacare rationing, the pain of the 25% underemployed, and $16 trillion in debt."
The 2% economy is due to the wealth of the nation being sucked out by the wealthiest citizens. I have little doubt that Republicans refuse to work with Dems in hope of keeping the economy low.
Washington Post
"CBO Director Doug Elmendorf testified before the Senate Budget Committee today and dropped something of a bombshell. Extending the Bush tax cuts, he said, will "probably reduce income relative to what would otherwise occur in 2020." The reason is simple: Debt."
"Elmendorf doesn't deny that tax cuts stimulate the economy. But they don't stimulate it that much, he says, and over the long run, the net economic growth from the tax cuts will be quite small. The net deficit impact won't be. "Lower tax revenues increase budget deficits and thereby government borrowing," Elmendorf said, "which crowds out investment, while lower tax rates increase people's saving and work effort; the net effect on economic activity depends on the balance of those forces."
Gasoline at $4.25 has nothing to do with Obama, it has to do with Wall St. speculators and saber rattling over Iran as per The Wall St. Journal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfzZjc_OM...
What rationing are you talking about? The 25% underemployment can be scratched up to American companies outsourcing Americans jobs. Just yesterday I was surprised to learn that the major airlines outsource repairing their fleets to foreign nations. Makes me feel we really need high speed rails, flying is creepier now than ever.
Re Vernos B. Spot on post Vernos. Both you and the letter writer made excellent points. Some people never let facts get in the way of partisan rhetoric.
"Setting the record straight people should know that most of the 10 poorest states in the country are Republican. Mississippi is the poorest followed by Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, Montana, South Carolina, Kentucky, and North Carolina. Texas has one in five people living in poverty."
What Vernos fails to mention is that the most liberal states run by Democratic governors; Illinois, California and New York have the highest debt rankings at 46th, 50th and 49th respectively. Furthermore, California has 12% of the US population and 33% of the nation's welfare recipients. Finally, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, West Virginia, Louisiana, Montana, South Carolina, Kentucky, and North Carolina all have lower cost-of-living and lower debt than Illinois, California and New York.
Alaska gets the nod for the fastest growing state by population since 2002 according to the US Chamber of Commerce. Wasn't there a recent famous governor and VP candidate who came from that state? I think a woman too AND heaven help us a Republican too. Imagine that.
Now what's that about focusing on issues instead of partisan prejudices?
Did I hear someone here condescendingly mention Senator Rick Santorum as a likely GOP VP too?
Carmine A. DiFazio
"refnv; its a wonder we all havent moved down there to enjoy the lower cost of living. are we stupid or what?"
I wouldn't call you stupid Dennis. Uninformed perhaps but never stupid.
Dennis- The widening in 2014 of the Panama Canal will expand the entire southern tier of the country, most notably in Houston. Mobile, Ala., Charleston, S.C., and Savannah, Ga. It will reduce port activity from California's ports. It's just too expensive to bring product into California. Since 1998, California's economy has not produced a single new net job. Public employment has swelled, but private jobs have declined. Critically, as Texas grew its middle-income jobs by 16%, one of the highest rates in the nation, California, at 2.1% growth, ranked near the bottom. Over the past decade nearly 1.5 million more people left California than stayed; only New York State lost more. In contrast, Texas gained over 800,000 new migrants.
How is it possible to talk about serious issues when a huge chunk of the GOP is convinced that President Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya, or that the earth in 6000 years-old (as the bible says), or that the Queen Elizabeth runs the government of Great Britain (according to Sarah Palin)?
For Democrats, it's like trying to discuss economics or national defense with a group of unruly baboons.
Our low IQ nationally is due strictly to the flat-earth knuckle draggers on the right who tune in everyday to hear Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. tell them what to think. It's tragic that ignorance is bliss for so many Americans.
@Freeman: How do you reconcile your agreement with the letter writer with your posts that follow?
"@Freeman: How do you reconcile your agreement with the letter writer with your posts that follow?"
I reconcile by setting the record straight. Vernos was framing poor people with Republican state leadership, an irresponsible correlation. This is election season Leric. Why not respond? Did you really expect no one to reply to the misleading correlation?
Leric- Why not ask Vernos the same question?
"carmen; i hope so. santorum = 4 more years of Obama."
You're half right, but didn't complete your thought. "....4 more years of Obama ....in retirement." Now, you have it all right. Well done.
Carmine A. DiFazio
"REading Carmines remarks once again leave me bewildered. Off the subject and they make no sense."
The expert at "off topic" non-sensical writing has just spoken. I thought the same when you posted here at 5:23 Am but I thought kinder of you to say so and call you on it, as you did me. But... since you raised the "off topic" issue, the fact is, I know you don't leke dealings in facts, only your first sentence was relevant to the letter writer. After that, your verbosity is all just that... and entirely off topic.
Carmine A. DiFazio
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"As it is, there are many Americans who won't believe facts when facts are presented to them....."
Abbas -- good letter, but one speaker's "fact" usually spawn's other opiners' opposing "facts." Truth being the most elusive "fact."
"Some people never let facts get in the way of partisan rhetoric."
ressince73 -- all too true, and all too tragic. But mankind has always been like that in their social relations. Welcome to the herd.
"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." -- Oscar Wilde
Issues are clouded. Why is there any concern for Ms. Fluke? Granted, women's health care needs attention. Who cares where Limbaugh lands?
The high-priority issues that will fix our economy and make it soar in a few years: Bring ALL our troops home. EXPEL illegals who keep taking our social services, our non-profit services. Paying for K-12 for the kids of 13 million illegals. Paying for housing, food, health care for 13 million plus kids.
Right on, Ref. A little thought goes a long way around here.
@Freeman: Your responses continue to perplex me in the light of your praise of Tricia Abbas' letter. I read the Vernos post which you cited and it seems that your characterization of it is a stretch.
I am well aware that the Rs among us are fully engaged in Silly Season. As an Independent, I'm trying (for as long as I can, but largely in vain) to avoid the emphatic repetitions of the endless drivel and utter falsehoods that have come to characterize "discussion of the issues" at Election Time. (Thank you, KillerB for the quote from Oscar Wilde.)
Leric states "@Freeman: Your responses continue to perplex me in the light of your praise of Tricia Abbas' letter. I read the Vernos post which you cited and it seems that your characterization of it is a stretch."
Leric- Re-read my post @2.57am. I did not praise the letter. I merely stated that I agree, our nation's issues get clouded over easily with ancillary topics meant to distract voters. I didn't say it will stop, should stop or that I'm going to stop responding to others who bring up anecdotal topics like Vernos did this morning.
Leric, just to be clear, I won't hold back expressing my views...who would agree to do that? Is that what you concluded?
Not only are the ten poorest states in America the most conservative. Eight of the ten richest states are the most liberal. Of course the radical conservatives squeal that these liberal states have debt issues true. But the conservative bastion of Texas led all states with the biggest debt at $29 billion annual debt. Conservatives hate fact for a reason, there arguments are proven false by the facts. :-)
Mike states: "But the conservative bastion of Texas led all states with the biggest debt at $29 billion annual debt. Conservatives hate fact for a reason, there arguments are proven false by the facts."
California
Debt per capita = $3060
Outstanding Debt = $117,747,412 (in thousands)
Total Debt w Pensions = $612,054,955
Texas
Debt per capita = $1568
Outstanding Debt = $39,586,000 (in thousands)
Total Debt w Pensions = $282,558,281
http://www.governing.com/news/state/Comb...
The middle paragraph in the letter underscores the need to not only concentrate on basic skills, but to also teach critical thinking/logic directly starting at no later than middle school. It is not enough to teach geometry and hope the students realize it is teaching them how to derive a logical proof for an argument, as well.
As I have said so many times now, an educated electorate capable of objective debate is vital to our way of life.
Of course Refnv does not dispute that the ten poorest states in the union are conservative or That eight of the ten richest states are liberal. He attempts to deceive the readers with the theoretical stats from conservative Think tanks. Don't forget Texas benefited greatly from Barack Obama's stimulus plan all the while complaining and stabbing Obama in the back. Another prime example that the radical conservatives are destroying our country with there totalitarian non-comprimising attitudes.
And Refnv. You stated that you own a business now. Why do you Dodge classifying what type of business that you now own? While were at it any reason as to why you do not use your Christian name when commenting here?
Mike,
The median income is higher in many democratic controlled states but it's offset by the higher cost-of-living. A cost -of-living rating of 100 is average. Here's your cost-of-living for a few notable democratic states: Ca= 131.12, NY= 132.67 and MA= 120.69. A few states with conservative legislatures is as follows; MS= 92.56, Tx= 90.69, AR= 91.08, AL= 92.99 The better measure would be relative purchasing power Mike. A home priced here in Las Vegas at $272,000 costs $1,123,114 in New York. An apartment in Las Vegas costs on average $800.74 compared to $2,776.33 in New York.
Mike- My business is my business. Simple and easy to remember.
http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savi...
And once again Refnv proves why the radical right are the problem with our country. He never addressed why the ten poorest states are conservative and eight of the ten richest states are liberal. Or even address the fact that Texas has stayed afloat thanks to Obama's stimulus plan. He sure did attempt to change the subject though. It takes both sides negotiating in good faith to solve our country's problems. And the right wing types have a demonstrable pattern of bad faith. Thus making compromise impossible. And since the Republican party represents and protects the economy killing traders on wall street and likewise is filled with Corporate welfare enabling conservative activists. The solutions is quite simple really if you can't stomach to vote for a Democrat vote for the new Whig party.
And Refnv if you do not want to be questioned to what you're business is then don't post you own a business. Likewise since you will not post your true name don't expect anyone here to take you seriously.
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It would benefit the nation if we could have a serious debate about important issues but the GOP keeps coming back with the crazy like transvaginal probes and the president's birth certificate.
Radical tea loons have pushed their party to the extremes because Boehner and McConnell are too weak to stop them. It's unfortunate that we have only one sane political organization to lead the country.
Politicos love silly partisan controversy it gives them cover to help their cronies, plunder the treasury, and remove the people's rights.
To the moderator. Perhaps you can answer why its OK for shrillmoeller to call people morons. But you delete my post that was word for word the same as shrillmoellers un-removed 4:17 post?
The only way for radical conservatives to win the debate is own the referees.
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It is also of interest to note that the radical right wing types when faced with questions for example. If conservative economic policy is supposedly superior the liberal economic policy. Then why are the ten poorest states in our country all conservative? Instead of using logic, independent analysis and basic problem solving skills. They will just explode into rage, anger and insults. Just proves that the radical conservatives are not fit to lead our country. You don't want a Sara Palin type president in possession of our nuclear missiles launch codes or in charge of economic policy.
"Then why are the ten poorest states in our country all conservative?"
Mike- I'm not trying to put you down however, you must have missed class the day they covered cost-of-living differentials between cities. For example, someone earning $50,000 in Las Vegas needs $106,281 dollars to live in New York city in order to maintain the same standard of living.
To live in Dallas, a person making $50,000 in Las Vegas needs $46,000. The cost of living calculator is below. The cost of living is why you see median incomes higher in some states compared to others.
http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savi...
"Racist" isn't funny.
Tricia.....Very good letter.
YES, at some point the republicans will have to
tell us what their actual plan is to improve
our economy.
Talking against President Obama is not a plan.
Talking against health care is not a plan.
RefNV and gogo, WHAT IS THE REPUBLICAN PLAN to
provide all Americans health care and good paying
jobs?
LET'S HEAR IT.
And Refnv continues in his attempt to deceive. Here's another set of statistics that are damming to conservative economic policy. This list is of the ten states with the highest poverty rates, all conservative states again.
1. Mississippi. 20.1%
2.Louisiana. 18.3%
3.New Mexico. 17.9% including native Americans
4.Alabama. 16.7%
5.Texas. 16.2% and this is the conservative economic role model.
6.Arkansas. 15.9%
7.Oklahoma. 15.6%
8. West Virginia. 15.4%
9.Arizona. 15.2%
10. South Carolina. 15.0%
This is the percent of people living below the poverty rate. Not one of these states are liberal. And when comparing the ten poorest states coupled with the ten states with the highest poverty rates are all conservative states, using conservative economic policy's. Lets not forget the economic failure of Bush Jr. Concludes any rational debate. Judgment conservative economic policy is a abject failure. Well except for the super wealthy that is.
Mike,
The poverty level is $21,200 a year for a family of four and $17,600 for a family of three. Simply put, the lower the median income level in a state the more people will fall under the poverty threshold. $21,200 in Pascagoula, MS equals $49,750 in New York. Obviously, there will be fewer New Yorkers making under $21,200 due to the cost-of-living there. This means states with higher cost of living and higher median incomes will have fewer people below the poverty threshold.
The issue of health care.
30% of Southern Nevadans HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE.
AND,
Romney said if he is president we're going to
get rid of Planned Parenthood.
If that happens, 70,000 women in Las Vegas would
lose out.
Without Federal Funds it would be gone.
THIS WAS ON LAS VEGAS FOX NEWS TODAY!
RefNV........
Still waiting for your answer.
What is the REPUBLICAN PLAN to provide all
Americans with health insurance and good paying
jobs?
gogo needs to answer this also.
What is the DEMOCRATIC PLAN to reduce debt, reign in deficit spending and reduce joblessness for the 12 to 14 million people still out of work? Obama said he would cut the deficit in half back in 2009. Instead, he doubled the deficit. What happened?
They interviewed a man in Mississippi who said
he voted for Santorum.
He had two teeth in his mouth and was sitting
next to an old, broken down trailer with weeds
all around it.
Is this how republicans want Americans to live?
And Romney said he ate grits.
RefNV.....
AGAIN, what is the republican plan?
What is the DEMOCRATIC PLAN?
I Knew you couldn't answer.
THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NO PLAN.
And you know it.
I Knew you couldn't answer.
THE DEMOCRATS HAVE NO PLAN.
And you know it.
President Obama already created millions of jobs
and more Americans have health insurance with
the Affordable Care Act.
There you have it.
RefNV proved my point.
Republicans have NOTHING TO OFFER.
NOTHING!!!
Burritto.....
Same question to you.
What is the republican plan?
Besides sticking their heads up their rear-ends.
That's funny, not too many people claim to be
republican.
I can understand why.
For starters, have you heard about GM and
Chrysler?
Romney said let them fail.
President Obama said he would not let that
happen.
Refnv states a family in Mississippi making $21 thousand dollars a year enjoys the same standard of living as a family in new York making $50 thousand a year. Seems obvious besides Refnv demonstrating bad faith that the family in Mississippi will not be able to afford healthcare, a reliable car, secondary education or even save any money for there own retirement. Those conservative activists will stop at nothing short if putting us all in the poor house.
Keep in mind that less than 30% of the US population has a college degree. The less educated you are the more likely you are to be conservative/Republican.
GIGI and the rest of you lot:
Quit reading the plethora of news outlets that should all be subtitled the "We Hate Obama and EVERYTHING he stands for Times"
Here is a more realistic report:
"By 2021, premiums are now estimated to be about 8 percent lower than CBO estimated in March 2011. That change reduces the estimated costs of the coverage provisions of the ACA."
This suggests that taxpayers will save $50 billion more, on net, through 2021 and Americans will pay even less for private insurance than CBO previously projected -- which is good news.
It is also important to be clear about what the CBO report does not say.
The CBO update does not provide new estimates of the entire cost of the Affordable Care Act. That's because the new report looks at how much the government will spend on discrete elements of the new law, but not how much the government will save due to other parts of the law such as efforts to slow Medicare cost growth and reduce fraud.
The last time the Congressional Budget Office looked at the whole law was when the House of Representatives tried to repeal the Affordable Care Act. And that report found that the Affordable Care Act reduces the deficit by over $100 billion in the next ten years and even more in the subsequent decade. Here's what CBO had to say then...
Here's more:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra...
"Refnv states a family in Mississippi making $21 thousand dollars a year enjoys the same standard of living as a family in new York making $50 thousand a year. Seems obvious besides Refnv demonstrating bad faith that the family in Mississippi will not be able to afford healthcare, a reliable car, secondary education or even save any money for there own retirement."
Mike- You assume a person's going to have one job making $21K his/her whole life and that doesn't occur. Average salaries grow as skill sets develop and new job opportunity present themselves. I made $19,000 starting off in my career.
Mike, yesterday and today show yet again your penchant to be shady about data and your interpretation of data. In the future, I'm going to simply link this letter with our back-n-forth posts and present it as proof of your desire to use misleading data and misinterpret data for political purposes.
Another good letter followed by a long string of predictable insults and unrelated comments. Among the slurs leveled at those who disagree with conservatives in this forum are these labels: gutless, wusses, socialist, freak, morons, stupid, brain-dead, sheep, mindless, idiots. Most of these caustic comments come from a poster who, just days ago, claimed (clearly erroneously) that he was respectful and does not force his views on others.
Perhaps such behavior is viewed as a respectful, reasoned exchange of ideas by conservatives, or maybe it's just what they call free speech. (They do have a strange way of viewing things.)
To the rest of us it is harassment, and, of course, it proves Tricia Abbas' point about the negative effects of corrosive speech.
Talk about using shady statistics. I posted stats using the states with the highest poverty rates and the states with lowest average median income in America. Just happened every one of those states are conservative is not mis-leading whatsoever. And Refnv never once addressed the fundamental reason why conservative economic policy is inferior to liberal economic policy in practice . He however spent the entire day posting politically misleading comments however. But then again that is what Refnv the nameless one does for a living. Spreading misinformation for conservative think thanks.
Mike,
Lets string this out a little further. Lets go back to cost-of-living, a concept you totally ignore. If a house going for $272,000 in Las Vegas it would cost you $1,123,114 in New York. New York happens to be a liberal state. That same $272,000 dollar home in Las Vegas would cost you $199,000 in Dallas. To your thinking, everywhere, prices and income are the same when they're not. Cost of living is a fundamental subject covered in economics that you haven't learned yet. It's never too late though, you can learn it. Below is the cost of living calculator.Try it out and see how incomes and cost-of-living changes from one city to another.
The cost-of-living is what shatters the relevancy of your poor and rich states theory. Any economist will tell you that relative purchasing power is the key measure, not the absolute dollar figure of pay.
http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savi...
Keep dodging the obvious Refnv. The fact is the wealth of America is concentrated in the liberal states not the conservative states. I grew up in Mississippi and can attest to the fallacy of your argument that an average family in Mississippi enjoys the same quality of life as a average family in California or new York as Pure BS. If your born poor in the south more then likely you will end up poor regardless of how hard you work or how clever you may be. The conservative economic policy favors the good old boys of generational wealth at the expense of everyone else. Jeff foxworthy sums it up best when he states " YOU KNOW YOUR A REDNECK WHEN YOU SHOOT OR CATCH HALF OF YOURE FOOD" and likewise "YOU KNOW YOUR A REDNECK WHEN YOURE HOUSE HAS WHEELS.
Mike,
The median income in Mississippi(MS) is $37,985. The median income in New York(NY) is $49,826. An apartment in Jackson, MS costs, on average, $730.00 compared to $2,776.00 in NY. The purchasing power of MS's median income of $37,985 is equal to $84,843 in New York so the median income in MS has greater purchasing power than NY's median income of $49,826. Hopefully, someone can enlighten you more about cost-of-living and relative purchase power someday.
Hopefully someone can enlighten you Refnv. You are using the cost of housing only as to discretionary spending available to the average family in Mississippi is much lower then then the available discretionary spending for the average family in New York. And you know that, you are being deceitful and that you cannot win this one but hey! Keep it up, keep defending the failed conservative economic policy's and the ever ugly leader ( Rush Limbaugh ) of the Republican/tea party. I will give you people all the rope you want to hang yourselves in the electoral column next fall.
And Refnv cat cut your tongue? No answer why there is more concentrated wealth in the liberal states then the conservative states? You have a bad habit of avoiding the hard questions.
It only makes you look petty and foolish.
"No answer why there is more concentrated wealth in the liberal states then the conservative states?"
Where are your stats Mike....
Mike Kerns states: "Hopefully someone can enlighten you Refnv. You are using the cost of housing only as to discretionary spending available to the average family in Mississippi is much lower then then the available discretionary spending for the average family in New York."
Mike- Discretionary income is money remaining after all bills are paid off. It is income after subtracting taxes and normal expenses (such as rent or mortgage, utilities, insurance, medical, transportation, property maintenance, child support, inflation, food and sundries, etc.) to maintain a certain standard of living.[5] It is the amount of an individual's income available for spending after the essentials (such as food, clothing, and shelter) have been taken care of:
Mike. Question for you. How do you factor discretionary income without factoring the much higher housing or rent costs in New York? Are you assuming someone gives you free housing? LOL
The reason that RefNV can't and won't answer my
question about the republican plan is that their
plan stinks to high heaven.
So I'll answer it.
The republican plan for the economy and health
care.......
Lower taxes for their rich friends.
Get rid of The Affordable Care Act.
Get rid of planned parenthood.
Kill Social Security.
Kill Medicare.
Kill more labor unions.
Create more minimum wage jobs with NO RETIREMENTS.
Take away more women's rights.
Finish destroying the middle class.
THAT'S THE HEARTLESS, GREEDY REPUBLICAN PLAN.
No wonder republicans don't want to talk about it.
SAVE THE MIDDLE CLASS.
ALWAYS VOTE DEMOCRATIC!
Burritto......
Your lack of automotive knowledge shows you didn't
do your homework.
Chrysler is adding jobs, not laying off workers.
Chrysler DOES NOT build the Volt, GM DOES.
LIVE BETTER/WORK UNION!
The reason that teamster can't and won't answer my
question about the democratic plan to reign in debt, reduce deficit spending and reduce joblessness for those 12 to 14 million still out of work is that their
plan stinks to high heaven.
So I'll answer it.
The democratic plan for the economy and job growth.......
creates class warfare with taxes on the successful.
Increase the nation's debt with The Affordable Care Act.
More giveaway programs for the socialist Occupiers.
Kill Social Security by not reforming it.
Kill businesses & jobs.
Add more labor unions causing more jobs to go overseas.
Lose more jobs and city services with expensive pension programs for union workers.
Take away religious freedom.
Destroying our nation by adding more debt and killing our economy.
THAT'S THE HEARTLESS, GREEDY DEMOCRATIC PLAN.
No wonder democrats don't want to talk about it.
SAVE America.
ALWAYS VOTE REPUBLICAN!
RefNV.......
Thanks for copying my style but your content is
all right-wing spin, lies and BS.
AMERICANS ALREADY KNOW THE TRUTH.
THEY WILL NEVER BE FOOLED AGAIN BY CRAZY,
HEARTLESS REPUBLICANS.
You can lie until you are blue in the face, it
WON'T WORK.
You party of greed is already self-destructing.
You fools don't have a real leader, that's why
you can't pick one yet.
President Obama has already created millions
of jobs and passed a new health care program
that is the law of the land.
Only fools believe your republican lies.
LIVE BETTER/WORK UNION!
ALWAYS VOTE DEMOCRATIC!
YES, the Democratic plan is working and is already
fixing the huge mess that the heartless republican
party created.
THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA!
YOU ARE THE MAN!
If it's working so well, why are the majority of Americans against Obamacare? In fact, contrary to Nancy Pelosi who said we have to pass it to learn what's in it, after 2 years now there is less support for Obamacare than when it passed. Why?
Carmine A. DiFazio
My son has moved around a lot since graduating and he has since lived in three of the most "poverty stricken" states in the southern US. He refuses to come back to the west coast because he always lives better in the southern states.
FOOD, gas, and housing is so much cheaper there that he is relatively rich there compared to the costs in the coastal states of the US. His dollar goes much further there than here or Utah or California. A brick house with acreage near Austin Tx (for instance) is MUCH cheaper than the poorly designed cardboard houses with no land here in NV.