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Rep. Joe Heck, R-Nev., speaks during the GOP Doctors Caucus news conference in response to the Supreme Court health care ruling in Washington, June 28, 2012.
By Karoun Demirjian (contact) 
Friday, June 29, 2012 | 2 a.m.
Affordable Care Act could raise insurance cost
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KSNV reports that the Supreme Court's decision to approve the Affordable Care Act will increase health insurance price for others, June 28.
With the Capitol in the background, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney speaks about the Supreme Court's health care ruling, June 28.
Democrats didn’t get much time to revel in the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the Affordable Care Act on Thursday, as Republicans swiftly turned disappointment into a redoubled campaign effort to repeal the law.
“I will act to repeal Obamacare,” Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney repledged Thursday morning.
The problem: he almost surely can’t.
But if things swing the Republicans’ way in November, Congress could do some damage to it.
Romney has pledged to use every power at his disposal to undo the health care law if he wins the presidency: issue executive orders, hand out state waivers like candy, and work with Congress to pass a repeal.
Repeal is a tricky word for the Republicans, though. On the one hand, it makes for a catchy campaign slogan. On the other, they need enough Republicans in Congress to actually make it work.
“I don’t see (a repeal) happening,” said Mark Hutchison, the Las Vegas lawyer appointed by former Gov. Jim Gibbons to fight the health care law. “To replace (the law), we’d have to have the White House, the House and the Senate ... a supermajority in the Senate.”
Achieving that in 2012 is all but a mathematical impossibility.
It takes 60 votes to overcome the threat of a filibuster in the Senate. There is not an election forecast in existence that gives the Republicans the 13 additional seats they would need to achieve that kind of a supermajority, even if they do manage to win control of the chamber.
Without that, a formal repeal is well-nigh impossible. Nonetheless, Nevada Republicans are still promising a repeal in exchange for campaign donations and votes.
“Step No. 1 for repealing Obamacare is winning in November,” Sen. Dean Heller’s campaign blasted out to supporters Thursday in a pitch for “$13 today toward victory in November and repeal in 2013.”
“This doubles my resolve to repeal what we now know is a tax on every Nevadan who decides to exert their own control over their health care,” Nevada Rep. Joe Heck said in an interview. “The Supreme Court had their word on June 28, but the American people will have the final word on Nov. 6.”
But while Republicans can’t deliver on their promise to repeal, they might be able to offer some piecemeal destruction of the bill through an arcane process known as budget reconciliation — if they can secure a simple Senate majority.
The budget reconciliation process was used to pass the Affordable Care Act. But it could also come in handy for Republicans trying to pick it apart because the process only requires 51 votes to make changes, so long as one is reducing and not adding tax revenues to the budget.
It just so happens that on Thursday, the Supreme Court ruled the health care mandate operates as a tax, constitutional because it falls within Congress’ taxing authority.
“There’s no question that if (the mandate) is indeed a tax, you can repeal taxes using reconciliation,” said Robert Dove, who served as the Senate’s parliamentarian through 2001. It’s part of a parliamentarian’s job to act as referee during a budget committee process and determine what sorts of measures senators can and can’t strike down.
Even if budget reconciliation eliminated the mandate, the rest of the bill — coverage for pre-existing conditions, eligibility for young adults under age 26 to stay on their parents’ plan and free preventative health care — would stand.
“It’s a very narrow rule in terms of what you can put in reconciliation,” Dove explained. “Until the parliamentarian signs off on something, nobody knows anything.”
Democrats who had started the day sure that the fight over health care was over did not discount the potential of a post-election threat.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid gestures during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, June 28, 2012, after the Supreme Court's ruling on President Barack Obama's health care law.
In fact, when asked whether he was concerned about Republicans’ threats to undo the law through the reconciliation process Thursday, Sen. Harry Reid answered with what sounded like a pitch to the American electorate to vote Democrat.
“All the more reason that the American people should understand we want to focus on jobs, not taking away benefits,” Reid said. “If they repeal this, it’s a loss of 400,000 jobs ... and we are here to focus on saving those 400,000 jobs and creating more jobs.”
The Democrats currently have 53 seats in the Senate, but due to retirements and close contests, need to pick up seats currently occupied by Republicans to maintain a majority.
If they do, there are few options for repeal available to Republicans, even if Romney ends up in the White House.
While Hutchison doesn’t see a possibility for repeal, he said “the fastest way to get relief” would be through executive orders waiving state participation in the law.
But even that could be problematic for Romney. The executive orders and waivers he’s been threatening to pass are either limited as temporary, not available until 2017 or require states to prove they have a functioning health care system in place that is at least as wide-reaching as the federal health care exchanges.
Over the next four months, however, politics trumps pragmatism — and there, the Supreme Court may have given Republicans a windfall by deciding against them.
“The Supreme Court’s decision does not change the facts about Obamacare: It’s a bad law that America neither wants nor can afford. And now the only way for voters to end it and pursue true reform is to vote Republican in November,” Republican National Committee Political Director Rick Wiley said Thursday. “This hurts President Obama’s re-election prospects.”
Republicans enjoyed a strong burst of voter base enthusiasm Thursday: Romney’s campaign raked in over $2 million in the six hours following the decision, and Nevada Republicans noted a marked uptick in the number of locals calling in to volunteer for the party.
But Democrats say the election game has not fundamentally changed — and that the long-term momentum from Thursday’s Supreme Court decision bends to their favor.
“Does it inject a new dynamic into the race in general? No,” said a Nevada Democratic strategist. “We are exactly where we were yesterday. This decision excites our base tremendously, but when we are in November and the results are called, ultimately people aren’t going to say, ‘This is because of health care.’ They’ll say it’s because this party was focused on middle class jobs.”
hey if the Republicans don't like their taxpayer provided medical care they can buy their own in the private sector
Obama declared victory in raising taxes on the middle class
Ever hear obama say no new taxes on the middle class Repeatedly
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Obama today call this New entitlement a Victory - he got another $1.6 trillion of middle class taxes to spend.
Wow talk about punishing us the Obama Supreme Court said that Obama - after Obama said there would be no new taxes - has decide that Obama could tax us to pay for his Obamacare. A $1.6 trillion tax increase.
The Supreme Court also struck down the individual mandate to buy insurance under the Commerce Clause - which is huge.
So now we a temporary stuck with an imposed huge tax increase, a larger IRS running our healthcare, higher premiums based on the higher standards, , and who knows what else
If you are a working stiff you will now have to file a new schedule with your 1040 to PROVE that you have health insurance for the entire year. - if not the IRS can bill you at 8% interest or take it out of you refund. Thousand of IRS agents will be determine if your insurance policy qualifies.
So now - not if - but when your company drops your insurance good luck in your fight with the IRS
At least States will not have to paid for the new Federally unfunded Medicare mandate. A 7-2 vote to throw it out.
But the bigger issue now is that States do not have to pay for the Broadened Medicare which means the Federal to support the exchanges will go up by $100s of millions
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Can wait to see the new CBO scoring
Almost immediately fear tactics were used to try to scare people into believing this is a bad thing.
If people can escape the campaign of fear, they will eventually find the great benefit that has begun to help our nation gain control over runaway healthcare costs.
This will benefit our the majority of citizens in many ways, some directly and others indirectly.
Trying to stop it is not in the interest of the people, only the politicians and those they are beholden to.
We need to wait, allow it to be experienced, and find how it can be improved over time.
Enjoyed the article, Karoun. Funny how the entire Tea/Republican Party tries to collect campaign money off of this, and continues to try to fight back. It is noted that it's all politics and collecting money for them. There is not one iota of concern for the American people. They just want to repeal it, but there is no talk of what exactly it will be replaced with.
Tea/Republicans just want scorched earth, and think this is a motivation for people to vote for them. Very flawed thinking, you ask me.
Anyways, after all the ultra-conservative heads all exploded at once yesterday, and the dust settled, America is indeed better off. The Affordable Care Act is now a part of the Constitution, decided by the U.S. Supreme Court to be valid.
I just want to point out that the millions and millions of dollars (perhaps when all added up, a billion) expended by the ultra-right wingnuts to fight the Affordable Care Act, it has been certified that, as of yesterday, they WASTED that money. The propaganda campaign against it failed. The Tea/Republicans would have been better off taking all that money, putting it in trash cans on Las Vegas Boulevard, pour lighter fluid on it, throw a lit match in and step back. POOF! Money wasted. It went up in smoke and they got nothing to show for it. All that ad campaign to fight "Obamacare" failed. And it failed abysmally.
Why is that? Because the American people want adequate health care, readily available and cost cut, not for just a select few people, but EVERYONE.
The American people have won.
And this fact is driving the rabid foaming at the mouth ultra-conservative Tea/Republican Party politicians absolutely crazy.
This will spell their doom.
Rather than grasp it and work within the system after this decision, they have decided to double down and fight back.
We now have a reason to crush the Tea/Republican Party on November 6, 2012. Even after something is Constitutional and just, they still want their way like spoilt children. A way that only serves their limited interests. Not the American people.
Obama/Biden 2012 AND a total majority of Democrats in Congress.
The Repu's remind me of those who were sure the earth was flat and if you went too far you would fall off.
The Demo's are the world is round group who just sailed on until they find land. We know what they found when they arrived.
If the children could connect the dots they would run in droves to the Tea Party. They are being royally screwed with federal unfunded liability. Now they'll have to buy health insurance in addition to paying off their student loans AND being taxed to death for public employee pensions. Less services at a higher cost. Good Luck!
peacelilliy: the earth isn't flat to this republican. My submarine told me. You wouldn't know science if it bit you on the nose, fyi.
The Rumpelstiltskin Party is not interested in making America a better place for Americans. They are more interested in fear-mongering than improving life for Americans. First Communists, then the Russians, then Gays and now those who actually believe Americans should not live in fear of getting sick. Republicans just want to have their way at the expense of the nation. THEY are the true Evil Empire.
"To replace (the law), we'd have to have the White House, the House and the Senate ... a supermajority in the Senate"
False
They can undo much of the law by passing a Reconilication resolution.
That just takes 51 Senators and other Senators can't filibuster it.
The US government and Congress have just shown once more how stupid Americans are. I don't care which party you THINK controls the government, The US Treasury is what the shadow parasites feed on. Roberts called it right, it's just a tax.
This is why we must work to make sure every republican is defeated. There will be over One Billion dollars spent by Dark Unknown Corporate Money (Super Pacs - Karl Rove - Americans for Prosperity) to attempt to Buy this Election for Republicans. You'll see Republican negative ads 10 to 1 to make sure Corporate Power reigns of the U.S.
Ignore It All and Just vote Straight Democratic. Then next election we'll Primary Democrats owned by Corporations (Right John Lee).
Really people? How can you honestly think being taxed because you chose not to have healthcare is a good thing? What about those of us who cant afford HC and dont meet the requirements for "Welfare"? We lose more money we dont have due to the Obama Tax, so he can go play another round of golf at some fancy course. this law will not improve the HC system, in fact it will make it even worse filled with doctors who are doing civic duties, not worrying about your well being.
The liberals have their head in the sand. They say we have to wait until 2014 when all the taxes on the poor and middleclass kick in and the premiums have skyrocketed before we can decide how bad this is for us.
Democrats say we can not campaign against it because we have not yet been impacted. Really Democrats claim this is not to be part of the campaign!
What we demand is that the CBO score the Obama Supreme Court ruling so we truly know how much the poor and middle class will pay.
This new entitlement will break this Country - it can not be paid for.
Colin,
Do you mind if I use your line: Obama/Biden 2012 AND a total majority of Democrats in Congress.
The GOP want this money to build the military so they can 'stand up' to China and Russia. They need the money for bombs and missiles to Save America. Mitt Romney wants the money because God wants America to lead the world, as his vision tells him.
"And that, I've come to believe, is the true divide in this country. It's not blue state vs red state, liberal vs conservative, Democrat vs Republican. The split we have in America can be boiled down in its simplest form to this: On one side are the people who believe Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago -- and then there's everyone else. " -Michael Moore
The Dino men want the White House back to take up where Iraq left off.
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"Anyways, after all the ultra-conservative heads all exploded at once yesterday, and the dust settled, America is indeed better off. The Affordable Care Act is now a part of the Constitution, decided by the U.S. Supreme Court to be valid."
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If you believe that this statement is true, then you have absolutely no idea how this country's government or the passage of its laws works.
Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive, gas is $3.44 a gallon (national avg) and now ... President Obama's signature legislation, the Affordable Care Act, beat a challenge in the Supreme Court.
Still much to do as we continue to recover from Bush's Great Recession but under the president's leadership things are going in the right direction.
Look, Romney was against the Affordable Care Act on what he perceived were constitutional grounds. He argued that his plan for Massachusetts was acceptable because of state's rights. Now the Supreme Court has ruled that ACA is constitutional. Romney is left without an argument. Anything else on this topic from him is just pandering to the loony right wing and the American people should realize that.
A sleeping giant has been awoken, there is now a defining issue in the election. The battle lines have been drawn, Capitalism vs. Socialism: it's us, the hard working tax-paying, Americans against the Sycophant Hollywood crowd supported by the liberal media and the Welfare receiving, EBT using, lazy, sucking the teat of America dry. Only this time your Hope and Change is Hype and Blame and we won't be fooled by your phony unemployment figures or your lying liberal press buddies, or your negative attacks, since that's all you have. YOU WILL BE DEFEATED! ONE AND DONE, NOBAMA 2012!
LastThroes..we really MUST give a lot of credit to Obama for lowering the gas prices, since the wingnuts were quick to pounce on him when they were going up.
I think he is talking about the sleeping toothless Teabagger vote in tricorn hats..supported by the multinational billionaires like the Koch brothers, Adelson (and coordinated by Karl Rove) who could care less about this country except to suck it dry of any value and move to Dubai, Singapore or Geneva and enjoy their wealth there.
The sheeple desperately need more dumbocrat programs!
The IRS is looking for more agents. What we really need is more doctors. Maybe some Dim will figure that out. I doubt it...rationing and death panels is so much simpler.
And if the Republicons won, the insurance companies would be looking to hire more workers to deny health care for profit...fully staffing their Death Panels! Is that the future that the clowns in the Tricorn hats want?
At first I was shocked by Justice Roberts decision. When asked he replied that we the people had voted for our current situation and yesterday he took us to task, the US voters. I'd have to agree with his decision as yes we made our choices so we have to live with them no matter the consequences.Although every pole shows that ACA is not popular, this decision is in my opinion the best, as it will show the importance to everyone that thier right to vote for representation will effect thier lives.
"It's the economy stupid!"
And it always will be the economy, stupid.
This is just a distraction by BOTH sides to divert the debate away from what is is important since NEITHER side knows how - or is willing to - do something about the ECONOMY, stupid.
dipstick, notacon,
No victory is sweeter than one snatched from the jaws of defeat. For teabaggers, on the other hand, they're stuck with Willard Romneybot which should cause them to take a step back and reexamine their sad, hateful lives.
Meanwhile, gas prices continue to fall. Three months ago teabaggers were blaming Obama for rising prices and predicting (praying for) $5-$6 a gallon by the start of summer. Didn't happen and once again the GOPs agenda to heap more misery on the middle class has failed.
dip: The good thing is illegals won't be subject to the tax or required to buy insurance. Enjoy!
The republicans are resolved to take away our health care.
In 2010, they promised to "repeal and replace" Obamacare.
They have been in office now for a year and a half.
What have they done? NOTHING.
They voted to repeal it, but haven't offered a SINGLE idea to replace it. They haven't passed a SINGLE bill to make our health care system stronger, cheaper , more accessible or better. NOTHING.
So long as the insurance companies keep raking in profits by denying care, the GOP won't bother to lift a finger to help.
Ironically, the only thing the republicans have done since promising to repeal and replace is to attack women's health care providers, call women who want access to birth control "sluts" and attempt to pass abortion restrictions and personhood amendments.
That's the reality of the GOP. That's their plan for health care.
it's kinda like divide and conquer....
The GOP now so busy with their (new) health care issues, it's truly a major campaign distraction. This is not an issue the GOP will pull a win with.
Someone buy Kevin some birth control, quick!
Insurance never adds value to a product and/or service, insurance adds non-value costs to them -- healthcare products and services should be treated like any other commodity in a world market where availability, access and pricing are determined by the consumer along with the economic factors of a free market place -- governments' only role in healthcare should be assuring citizens have access to world markets while assuring insurance companies along with their lobbyists are eliminated from the healthcare racket.
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Harley: "healthcare products and services should be treated like any other commodity in a world market where availability, access and pricing are determined by the consumer along with the economic factors of a free market place."
Free markets, huh? Then why do Americans pay double or triple for prescription drugs than those in other industrialized countries? Here's why: because our "free market" is not free at all. It's a game that's rigged in favor of giant corporations.
as long as price gouging remains in place sensible people can see what all this noise is really about.
These claims this is Socialism are rather silly. Hell may things are socialism based on your definition, why aren't you out protesting them? are you out over NV Energy? SNWA? SNGas? NDOT? protesting the fact Americans pay on average double for prescriptions than most of the World? Where's the competition there? Where are you protesting the fact we have a centralized Militia? i.e standing armies called the US Military. There is no Constitutional allowance in peacetime for that.
The Right's entire stand on this is based on nothing but Racism. The fact they defend Providers who are gouging the public says it all. Yet another issue where stupid people stab themselves in the back for free. Socialism my behind it is.
So by installing Romneycare in Massachusetts, Romney RAISED TAXES on the middle class?
What is the Republican Plan? a bankrupt hospital emergency room?
When the ruling causes hospital stocks to rise and insurance stocks to fall, you know it's a good thing.
EXACTLY LastThroes. Free markets are a good thing, but what we have are monopolies with no competetion to provide the best service for the best price.
Romney was a fool to not embrace ACA as his idea and claim that Obama was just copying him. He would have looked less like an idiot. Of course when you have no convictions or moral compass, what do you expect?
RESPONSIBLE citizens pay for their own healthcare products and services - without insurance.
FWIW:
Healthcare providers in Nevada are required by law to offer substantial discounts for services paid for in CASH.
Did you know major surgeries can be performed by healthcare providers outside America for a fraction of the cost?
Did you know medications can be obtained outside America for a fraction of the cost?
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Mandates which advocate social irresponsible, price-fixing cartels, insurance rackets, corruption, fraud along with social theft (i.e. taxation) should not only be attacked but outlawed as they are immoral, unjust and very costly to the responsible citizen.
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Do you understand the concept of insurance?
Hats off to you if you can afford a heart transplant out-of-pocket!
Most stocks and markets are up today...because of euro/Europe not the healthcare bill. The teapotties are one stroke or tumor away from financial ruin. They are puppets of the Kochs and the Adelesons.
BEAUTIFUL SUPREME COURT POLITICS
At first, I was upset with Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts breaking ranks with the conservative base and upholding the primary provisions of "ObamaCare". Then, I got to thinking, "Why in the world would he have done this?" Then, it dawned on me.
Sixty-percent of Americans oppose "ObamaCare". All along President Obama has given his solemn promise to the American people that this was not a tax increase and passage of his healthcare package was in the best interests for all of America. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts literally blew President Obama's promises of his healthcare package out of the water by way of a political nuclear explosion.
Moments after Justice Roberts was quoted as saying, "I casted the deciding vote in upholding the Affordable Care Act due to the federal governments right to tax; presidential candidate Mitt Romney was all over the airways promoting his words, "Elect me President, and I will end "ObamaCare". You can bet that every Senate and House Republican candidate will be riding on the coattails of this game plan. We'll hear the words from the conservative base, "We need absolute control of the Oval Office, the Senate, and the House of Representatives to crush "ObamaCare" once and for all. Thirty-three Senate seats and thirty-four seats in the House of Representatives are up for election this November.
Will it work? I don't know, but it sounds like a damn good plan to me. Brilliant work Chief Justice Roberts!!! Yes, yes, politics is a dirty business isn't it?
Oh my, President Barack Obama, I think you have just fell casualty to the old saying, "Nothing is as it seems".
So Jay Carney today says that the justice got it wrong and that ACA is not a tax. So which one is it Dems. You've rejoiced in its passage by Justice Roberts, who said it was a tax, but now the administration says its not a tax. My feelings are one if the SCOTUS says its a tax, its a tax. If the Dems say its not, then they should tell the SCOTUS to have a new decision.
Seems that neither side knows whats going on so my advice would be to scrap the whole mess and start over.
How funny is it to watch and listen to the poor teabaggers right now? LOL at these people. They are tripping all over themselves to make the argument for single payer healthcare, and are too dense to even realize it. They don't even have the cognitive function to realize they have been played and boxed into a one way street that leads one place - single payer. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.
Then you have Beck, Levin and Hannity slandering Roberts. I mean, wow. Isn't it just fantastic to watch this feeding frenzy of hate?
Hey Mark, great link to Hotair. I hope everyone takes the team to read your fellow teabagger comments on that website. Could you perhaps post more links maybe to Redstate, Breitbart or WND? Thanks.
The TeaNuts are off the rails...
IT'S OVER!!!
You LOST!!!
The ACA is good for America, and good for YOU, you silly TeaNut. Quit repeating the FOX talking points! They don't MAKE SENSE! Maybe if you used your brain and thought about it a little, you'd SEE IT!
It ain't perfect, I know...
But it's a GIANT STEP in the right direction for Americans.
Hey, Rocky...
What came first;
The President calling it a 'penalty' or you TeaNuts calling it a 'tax'?
It's SEMANTICS at any rate;
tax, penalty, WHO CARES what you call it???
Bachmanns answer is to repeal the law and then allow us to purchase insurance across state lines. Newsflash...insurance is sky high in all 50 states and averages $15,000.00 a year for a familiy plan. United Health has half the market with 70 million participants and Anthem (Blueshield, Bluecross) has most of the rest. United Nevada is not going to slash rates to compete against United California. The industry needs competition with more than two companies controlling the market....public option.
gmag....bingo.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2...
These fools act like they care about Nevada. If they did we wouldn't have some of the highest costs in the entire nation!!!
gmag39,
Because Roberts declared it to be a tax the entire bill can be re-litgated in 2015 once the tax has been imposed. What Roberts said this time around established that Congress has the Constitutional right to levy taxes. But whether or not a specific tax is Constitutional can not be decided until *after* it is imposed. In this case, the question of whether Congress can levy a tax on someone for *not* purchasing a private product will be asked.
(And there could be implications for SS as well. That bill went through a grinder based on semantics to pass Constitutional muster.)
Not only that, if the Dems continue to say it is not a tax, or more importantly, takes steps to change the status so it is not a tax, then again, it can be brought back before the Court. But any change like that will immediately make the mandate un-Constitutional.
Chief Justice Roberts also handed down a great ruling on what the Commerce Clause can not be used for. While not specifically reversing anything, it does set precedent for blocking future attempts at twisting the CC even further.
Roberts called it what it is, and now we all have to deal with the consequences.
If you look at Heck's congressional web site he discusses reducing the governments intrusiveness into healthcare by getting rid of ACA and then discusses improving senior care.
Medicare is based on the single payer socialist model. If your old socialized medicine if fine but if you are under 65 best of luck.
Heck looks like he might have some basal cell carcinoma on the top of his nose. He might want to get it checked.
I remember another "Promise to Repeal"..the Patriot
Act
Lets Sing:
When a President goes through the White House door,
An' does what he says he'll do.
We'll all be drinkin' free bubble-up,
Eatin' that rainbow stew.
(Merle Haggart)
There is no lie that the so-called republicans and their enablers will not tell.
They have demonized the ACA by calling it "Obamacare," but Chief Justice turned a deaf ear to the "Big Lies" and voted with the non-partisan Justices to legalize the ACA, because it was the right thing to do.
The so-called republicans supported the individual health care mandate for two decades, but rushed madly to the opposite when President Obama and the Democrats passed the ACA in both houses of Congress.
There is Romneycare is Masachusetts, Huntsmancare in Utah, and now ACA for the entire USA, so why the faked outrage by the goose stepping so-called republicans?
If you want to know what the craziest of the crazies sycophant supporters of the miserable failure so-called republicans are mumbling, just go to:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/279......
Those that are vehemently against the ACA cannot even tell anyone what is contained in the ACA. Isn't that amazing to be against something and not even know what it is they are against?
Paying for a health or automobile insurance policy has always been considered an expense, never a tax. John Roberts is just playing the name game so he doesn't take the hit directly. Renaming activities to create conflict is what the GOP does best.
RedRocky....Research the states that are whining the most. The welfare states with the lousiest medical care. Check the moocher index.
United Health made a statement last week that they would keep nearly ALL the Obama-care provisions with the exception of taking on sick children irrespective of the court decision. Why????The popularity of the provisions. They don't want to send out 70 million bad news letters.
If the largest insurer likes the law its probably pretty good.
Its about time the millions of welfare deadbeats pay for at least some of their largess.
Having half the country pay for the other half is a bunch of nonsense. At $250 billion a month everyone can throw some cash into the medical care jar.
Instead of wasting time on a political witch hunt, why don't the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee members prioritize by tabling creating jobs for more than 20 million unemployed Americans struggling to survive and feed their families and start the investigation with a man named Darrell Issa now a member of this Do Nothing Congress belonging to the super rich 1 % - as to how a convicted car thief born in Lebanon, involved in insurance fraud, assault, illegal possession of a firearm, criminal acts of his own making among other crimes became a U.S. Representative and a part of a dubious inner circle of President George Bush's criminal administration that would make Nixon's Watergate, Reagan's Iran-Contra, Cheney's look tame in comparison? Never again will we remain deafeningly silent. We'll persist in demanding accountability from each and every Congressperson for dereliction of duty. Don't you agree?
Every year the ever so ethical Doctors of America perform lots, and lots of totally un-necessary procedures that cost the patients, private health insurers, Medicaid, and Medicare over $700,000,000,000. If those un-necessary tests and procedures were stopped the money would be enough to probably fund the ACA just by itself.
We pay almost as twice as much for health care in America when compared to European countries,Great Britian Canada, S. Korea, Costa Rica, and some others, and we get less for the money we spend.
Get this:
SWHC +20.5% TODAY!
Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation - BIG jump.
The NRA is tooling up to make Obamacare one of most successful and sought after programs the Federal Government has seen since the Civilian Conservation Corps. FDR would have been jealous.
And it will be no time at all before Emergicare pushes out Obamacare. ("You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet")
Fattest States 2012:
1. Mississippi (red republican)
2. Alabama (red republican)
3. West Virginia (red republican)
4. Louisiana (red republican)
States With Most Smokers 2012:
1. Kentucky (red republican)
2. West Virginia (red republican)
3. Oklahoma (red republican)
4. Missouri (red republican)
5. Tennessee red republican)
States With Most Whiners About ACA
1. All red republican
Not that I expect them to understand, but it's worth pointing out to the Glenn Beck Fanclub:
The Supreme Court did not decide the penalty is a tax. They found the mandate and resulting penalty stood under Congress' constitutional authority to tax. There's a distinction there that those on the far-right desperately want to ignore, but those of us with brains know better.
Secondly, the CBO estimates that this penalty will apply to a whopping 1% of Americans once the state-based exchanges are developed.
Third, GOP heroes like Mike Pence are comparing the Supreme Court decision to 9/11. These people have no shame.
Obama succeeded in expanding Romneycare to the masses. It's gonna be real fun to watch Romney squirm in debate after debate. A flip-flopping 1%er with a glass jaw the size of Massachusetts.
What's the GOP plan to replace Obamacare? NOTHING. They're hiding under rocks! That's leadership under John Boehner, Eric Cantor and the tea party!
dipstick
The Republicans can win the Senate. Romney could win the Presidency without Florida, California, Pennsylvania or Ohio...
The traditional electoral map might get turned on its head..but that is just my guess..
By rusty57 - "peacelilliy: the earth isn't flat to this republican. My submarine told me. You wouldn't know science if it bit you on the nose, fyi."
LOL What kind of comment is that? I was referring to erroneous historical thinking in other centuries, not current science.
Relax, take a deep breath, smile more!
xtra said:
"he Republicans can win the Senate. Romney could win the Presidency without Florida, California, Pennsylvania or Ohio...
The traditional electoral map might get turned on its head..but that is just my guess.."
Yes, and it has actually snowed in New York City in July, but don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen this year!
Romney has NO plan; NO clue on how to get this country fully back on track economically.
He knows how ro fire people but that has little to do with the creation of new jobs that call for hiring people...
The economy is slowly improving and despite the fact that the GOP has been working 24/7 to keep the economy in the crapper, things are getting better...
The key for the Democrats is to get their people out to vote. The number of registered Democrats out number the number of registered Republicans by approximately a 3-2 margin.
The Democrats turned out to vote in huge numbers in 2008 & look at what happened...
It appears that Romney isn't going to do any better with the minority vote than McCain & George junior did...
Of course why on "god's green earth" would most minorities vote for Romney?
Harley claims "Healthcare providers in Nevada are required by law to offer substantial discounts for services paid for in CASH."
What statute mandates this in Nevada Law?
The recent Supreme Court decision saying that the president's health care program is constitutional was a big step in the right direction...
The Republicans are determined to see the law repealed, but guess what? It's not going to happen.
History tells us that the Republicans tried to do the same thing with Social Security when it was passed into law in 1935.
As we all know, it didn't happen and Social Security is now a permanent fixture in this country.
Any party or politician who tries to greatly change it or do away with it finds themselves, sooner or later, kicked to the curb...
Such will be the case with Obamacare as time goes on.... It's here to stay....
"Romney's bill was 68-70 pages long. Obama's = 2,800. To equate the two makes YOU look like a fool!"
Actually, the Boston Globe reported it was 145 pages... double what you claim.
http://www.boston.com/yourlife/health/ot...
But hey, what's a little desperate lying now and then?
"To equate the two makes YOU look like a fool!"
The enforcement mechanism, healthcare exchanges, and individual mandate provisions are all nearly identical to Romneycare. There's no substantive difference.
What did the Fact Checker find?
"Comparing pages in different bills is silly, especially in this case. An apples-to-apples comparison suggests there is virtually no difference in page count between the relevant parts of the two laws--and that is not even accounting for the fact that "Romneycare" covers just one state and "Obamacare" covers an entire country."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact...
Rather than take your party to task for failing, yet again, to live up to their campaign promises, you attack with feeble whining about page counts. Regulating 1/6 of our economy can't be done on a post-it note with crayons, no matter how hard you try.
You should hold your party accountable, NVMakz. Boehner and Cantor repeatedly said they would "repeal and replace" and have yet to set forth a single bill that would substantively change our national health care system. Their failure is reflected in your failure to make a coherent point or counterargument.
Well, this is interesting and as far as I know, unreported in the LV press:
LAS VEGAS--The fired former chief executive of Las Vegas Sands Corp.'s Macau casinos alleges in court documents revealed Thursday that billionaire Sheldon Adelson personally approved of prostitution and knew of other improper activity at his company's properties in the Chinese enclave.
The Sands executive name is Steven Jacobs.
So, will Romney distance himself from the "dirty" money of Adelson...He's for family values right?
RedRocky, when one of the people who opts not to have health care coverage winds up in the emergency room after a car accident and the bill costs $50,000 which "we the people" have to pay, I will be happy that they, and others like them, were forced to pay the $2,085 penalty for not having coverage.
Oh, and as for tax vs. penalty?
Much rather pay a tax for an individual mandate under the Democratic plan than the GOP mandate: forcing rape victims to undergo a forced transvaginal ultrasound before they can receive the care they need
The GOP is so quick to forget... this was THEIR IDEA:
In 1993, during the health care reform debate under President Clinton, Rhode Island republican John Chafee introduced the GOP alternate plan for health care reform, co-sponsored by 20 other GOP senators, demanding a federal individual mandate for health insurance. It was supported by other republicans like (recent GOP primary survivor) Orrin Hatch and Chuck Grassley.
Linda Quick of the South Florida Hospital and Healthcare Association fondly recalled the first time she heard a politician promoting the idea of the individual mandate. It was 1994, during a speech given by republican John McCain.
In 2004, would-be GOP Presidential candidate Mitt Romney introduced his great idea for health care reform in Massachusetts: individual mandates.
In 2008, Tommy Thompson, George W. Bush's pick for secretary of Health and Human Services said, "Just like people are required to have car insurance, they could be required to have health insurance."
Fast-forward to 2011, and now the GOP declares that their idea, the individual mandate, is an "affront to personal liberty," "akin to tyranny," "unconstitutional," "unpatriotic," etc.
Thank the GOP for the idea of mandates, NVMakz.
Like I said...
Teanuts; Off the DEEP END!!!
Boy, oh boy'oh...
Are THESE the hopes & dreams of the everyday TeaNut???
I wish I could pay HIGHER Health Care PREMIUMS; they're just not ESCALATING FAST ENOUGH FOR ME!
I wish my insurer could CANCEL ME!
I wish I could be DENIED for PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS!
I wish they'd kick my kid off my policy, while she's off @ college, because she's 'of age'!
I wish people with SERIOUS ILLNESSES would 'cap out' and be denied health care services!
I wish millions of POOR PEOPLE would suffer, because 'I don't CARE IF THEY'RE COVERED!
I wish the country's economy would TANK EVEN MORE because everyone's paying ALL THEIR DOUGH TO HEALTH CARE COSTS!
I pray that Richy Rich Romney will be elected, so he can CANCEL THE AFORDABLE CARE ACT! (like he could actually DO THAT!) Because FOX NEWZ told me it's 'BAD FOR AMERICA'!
gmag:
RedRocky is a teabagger posting obnoxious diatribes against anything that doesn't make his white saggin bottom happy.
I think they x-rayed a TeaBaggers brain and it was inneresting what it showed. Take a look: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/213703/TEABAGG...
Yo Rocky:
Yep, IT IS GOing down hard if you dolts get in. Then you will wipe out the republican party and all the teabaggers will crawl back in their bungalows and never be seen again after the country turns on you for tossing all the retarded people (a LOT of teabaggers are retarded) off of their insurance. All the diabetics and heart patients who will die will have the Drudge Report even hating you.
You better hope Romney loses!