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Monday, Aug. 27, 2012 | 2:01 a.m.
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Mitt Romney’s bold choice for vice president, Rep. Paul Ryan, could not have been more perfect. Ryan is the poster child for the dysfunctional House of Representatives — approval rating of 10 percent, lowest ever. The Republican-controlled House passed no bills to finance spending in the public sector to hire teachers, firefighters and police or to rebuild our infrastructure — collapsing bridges, deteriorating roads, etc. This inaction impeded economic growth in an attempt to make President Barack Obama look bad. However, the House voted more than 30 times to ban a woman’s right to choose.
Ryan co-sponsored bills that essentially abolished a woman’s right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy for any reason — rape, incest or maternal health. And if these draconian anti-woman bills don’t succeed, Ryan co-sponsored a bill requiring women who want an abortion to have a medically unnecessary ultrasound.
The Ryan budget plan would turn the long-standing and highly successful Medicare program into a voucher system, privatize Social Security and defund Medicaid. The Ryan plan would also give the wealthiest Americans, like Romney, a large tax cut, while raising taxes on the middle class.
So across the board, Ryan’s philosophy, supported by Romney, harms seniors, women, the middle class and the poor.
Romney’s first major decision as a presidential candidate was a sterling example of how he would lead the country.
Question: What could you possibly say to a grown woman that might convince her to vote for a Republican?
How about: "Slavery isn't all that bad, really."
Answer: They can't say anything that would convince a free woman to vote Republican.
For those who share the Republican position, you can't say anything to change their minds.
Therein is the dilemma. Legislating to allow the freedom of a woman to choose what is right for her, based on her personal beliefs and conscience, free of forcing them to adhere to what one segment believes, or to the contrary.
From a religious standpoint, force against choice through legislation is more like a Taliban approach...no freedom.
It is a gross failure in the Christian conservative faith community to understand the message and mission of Jesus. You don't legislate morals by showing a lack of love. It makes the message impotent.
The male members, especially, have their stones in hand.
Bill Berliner says "Mitt Romney's bold choice for vice president, Rep. Paul Ryan, could not have been more perfect.
We agree for different reasons. We have had four years of Obama Biden Reid Pelosi FAILURE
Here is what team Obama wants us to believe.
-- Obama "has a PLAN and the PLAN worked." 23 million underemployed, 50 million on food stamps, $6 trillion in new debt
-- Obama has achieved success. Obama Success is 1.5% GDP and 8.2% unemployment
-- Obama says You did not build that business - Obama built it like his crony buddies bankrupt Solyndra
-- Obama is pleased that private small businesses are barely stumbling along - so tax them more and more and more and more
-- Medicare is going broke this decade - so Obama stole $716 billion to pay for part of his Obamacare
-- Obama demand that live birth abortions and trimester abortions be free to women - and Romney is extreme because he is pro-life
-- Obama calls Romney unpatriotic, a murderer, evil, a liar, a felon, and get this one "Extreme" - Anna no longer recognizes Mitt
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The Obama PLAN "Keynesian-Krugman" economic policies gone wild led to the current financial tsunami - no growth, no jobs, huge debt, TAX AND SPEND. Dodd and Frank protected Fannie and Freddie in 2005. Bill Clinton signed the repealing of Glass Steagall 1999; allowing banks to do "whatever" without being held accountable.
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The GOP scheme seems to be less government regulation of business and more government regulation of women.
Some people seem to have soaked in the Republican brainwashing like a sponge.
I suggest that People need to learn the history and facts in more than a soundbite fashion, as presented. They will understand much better the reality of the issues and obstructions to moving forward.
The GOP dream team: Romney the business expert and Ryan the budget expert. Just what the USA needs to get back on the right fiscal track after years and years of keynesian-krugman failed economics epitomized by failed leaders Bush and Obama.
CarmineD
I don't support the R views on abortion and gay marriage. I don't support Grover Norquist. I don't support the call for increased military spending. I don't agree that taxes should be cut across the board. I don't agree that reaching for a balanced budget in 2030 is a good plan.
I don't support a much smaller military. I don't believe we can successfully negotiate with terrorists or sponsors of terrorism. I don't believe in only taxing the wealthy and businesses more to try to escape the debt. I don't believe in immigration reform without mandated use of e-verify. I don't believe in restricting fossil fuel development in favor of funding retail development of green energy that cannot compete financially. I don't believe SS, and Medicare can be saved if left as they are.
These are just a 'few' examples of why I almost puke at my choices in 2012. We need a third party; a third way. The R's would have us believe that with no increase in taxes; in fact decreases will solve all our problems. The D's would have us believe that raising taxes on the wealthy and businesses and taking no action on entitlements will solve all our problems. Does anybody REALLY believe such drival? I don't know but I do know that millions of us will vote for the drival of one of these great parties or the other.
What an absolutely awful choice...
And Jim, I do know what you are going to say...
Michael
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So the Obama-Biden-Reid-Pelosi-Debbie Wasserman Schultz -position is that being being a person of faith and pro-life is an extreme position.
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The Obama position is that late term third trimester Abortions should be free paid for by government by those of faith and those that are pro-life and those that consider it murder.
The Obama position is that live birth Abortions should be free paid for by government by those of faith and those that are pro-life and those that consider it murder.
Thoroughly enjoyed the letter. What you said was spot on, Mr. Berliner.
I can't add anything more to it other than to say that this election is a first for me. In that I usually never ever let people know how I'm voting. Until after I vote.
This year, it's different.
I'm proud to say I'm voting Obama/Biden, Berkley and Titus (now in the new CD1). All up and down the ticket it not only behooves me to vote straight Democratic Party ticket, but I am mandated and compelled.
Never in my life have I seen a political party (Tea/Republican) that I totally detest anything and everything they do. Simply because they give off every indication they want to crush the middle class of this country. And not only do they want to pound the poor into dust, but they blame them for all the evils we face in America too. Enough.
The Tea/Republican Party has morphed into a rabble of protesters who complain and whine about stuff, but actually have no idea what to do to fix anything other than to hand everything over to the rich. I can't let them in. I'm slamming the door in all of their faces and barricading it with my vote. I can't let their extremism in. Their plans for America are pretty much the same as inviting Wall Street to just help themselves and do what they want with no one to stop them.
In reply to Bill Berliner; who is the author to the letter to the editor of, "Romney rolling out bad decisions early".
You are to be commended for the most descriptive, thought provoking, and correct letter to the editor I have ever read in the Las Vegas Sun. Secondly, the posts added by "PeaceLily" and "Pisces" add strikes two and three to the Republican presidential ticket of Romney / Ryan. Job also well done!!!
What I'm about to add, in a sense, is just overkill in providing facts of Romney's "Mormonism" traits and his utter distaste for the American political principal of "separation of church-and-state".
While many Protestant / Catholic worshippers in America sit in an unwarranted state of paranoia of a "Sharia Law" takeover, the real threat to America and the rights of its people lay in the hands of Mitt Romney and his "Mormonism" beliefs. Compare the two together that is of Mormonism and the politics of Mitt Romney. You'll find the two do not differ.
http://mormonconspiracy.com/separation-o...
If this is not enough evidence, check out the contempt that even the Catholic Church has registered against VP candidate Paul Ryan, who claims to be of the Catholic faith.
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/13/paul_rya...
My goodness, on top of all the other over the top, inaccurate information, personal attacks and the like, now we get to add a conspiracy theory that Mitt Romney is controlled by the Mormon church and will turn America into a Mormon country!
This is just as stupid as the claim that Obama was a Muslim and would make the nation into an Islamic nation if elected.
I hope people toss this stuff in the trashcan, where it belongs, so we can discuss the issues.
Michael
In reply to Michael Casler, that would be the typical Republican response that I expected of you.
The Democrats would hate and attack any Republican that Romney chose.
Michael Casler, I did not write that Romney will turn America into a Mormon country. Again, reading is fundamental.
I said Romney in his Mormon beliefs will violate America's principal of "separation of church-and-state".
Do the homework "buddy-boy". Romney's politics of denying women, the gay and lesbian community and all others that are of differing skin colors and attributes are directly in line with Mormon principals and teachings. In another words there are no choices, like for the elderly in relation to Medicare and Social Security under the "Romney Plan". It is, do it the Mormon / Romney way or it's the highway. That all fits perfectly under the described umbrella.
In reply to Bradley, character assassination tells us zero about the candidates or their philosophies. Just pick the guy you agree with and vote for that person.
Michael
The Obumma budget was voted down 414-0.
Question: What could you possibly say to a grown woman that might convince her to vote for a Republican?
How about: "Slavery isn't all that bad, really."
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So along with putting black people back in chains as Biden claims, the Republicans are also going to enslave women now. This is all these hateful, fearmongering Democreeps have because they certainly can't tout Oblamers economic achievements.
Michael Casler; I guess the next thing you will say is that "Mormonism" is not connected to the "John Birch Society". On your part, Michael, oops again.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/jbs/jb...
Awesome letter by Bill Berliner.
As we all know republican GW Bush was a horrible failure as president. But as bad as he was this GOP nominee, Willard Romney, would make W seem like Abe Lincoln by comparison.
It was rightwing republican policies that got us in this ditch so why would anyone think we can use the same flawed nonsense to get us out?
In this country, Michael Casler, every American has the right to question and or investigate any political candidate's philosophies, religious beliefs, personal associations, etc.
For political power grants a politician the capability to end any Americans quality of life and pursuit of happiness.
Therefore, as you say, putting this right in the garbage can certainly never be put there.
Correction to my 7:12 AM post.
Therefore, as you say, Michael Casler, this right belongs in the garbage can.
No it doesn't, Michael. To the contrary. This right can never be put in the waste basket.
Michael -
What I'm going to say just might surprise you. If you are keen to elect a third (not R or D)choice President, you should join me in advocating for election of the President by popular vote rather than through the Electoral College. Let me explain why. In a three-way race for President, one candidate must win 270 electoral votes. If no candidate wins that many votes, the House of Representatives, consisting of Rs and Ds, elects the President with each state having one vote. Chances are, even if your favorite wins the popular vote, he or she is unlikely to be elcted President by the House of Representatives.
Unless we amend the Constitution, an alternative to R and D has a steep hill to climb.
BChap says I am "providing facts of Romney's "Mormonism" traits and his utter distaste for the American political principal of "separation of church-and-state".... the real threat to America and the rights of its people lay in the hands of Mitt Romney and his "Mormonism" beliefs."
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Religion bashing is a favorite past time of Liberals. Even Harry Reid would be offended or not.
Another attempt to distract from the failed Obama-Biden Policies
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Bradley,
As long as you stick to facts, I won't have a problem. Romney is Mormon. He is a right to life supporter. He doesn't believe Planned Parenthood should be supplied with taxpayer dollars. That all should be factored in by anyone that is going to vote in this election.
Nobody can know how much of Mormon beliefs Romney would try to invoke... maybe all... maybe some... maybe none....or how successful he would be. To make that an issue is fine. To state it as fact... that's wrong.
Look at 2008. Many people looked at Obama's associations and his possible beliefs and stated as fact what he would do as President. To question was fine. To say they knew what he would do? Crazy and wrong then. Crazy and wrong now.
Stick to the issues.
Michael
Jim,
I could support that change but there are issues with it that have been brought up before. As I have said previously, no matter who wins in Nov, our speeding train toward financial disaster will continue down the tracks. In my opinion, with Obama as President, we attach a Saturn 5 rocket to the train and ignite it. With Romney, we only add an Atlas rocket and ignite it. Either way we arrive at financial ruin.. and relatively soon.
Since I'd prefer to get there as slow as possible, given our choices, I'll take Romney.
The R's want to stimulate with lower taxes, which adds to the debt. The D's want to stimulate with 'stimulus' (aka government spending), which adds to the debt. While I think both methods can stimulate the economy to some extent, I think if we do not re-write the income tax code, take away what's used to avoid taxes and make everyone pay income taxes, we are sunk....either way.
I don't think we will take the caster oil, until financial circumstances force us, unless we get a third party going that has the guts to tell the truth.
Michael
"Future" says, "Religion bashing is a favorite past time of Liberals. Another attempt to distract from the failed Obama-Biden policies."
In reply to "Future"; Really??? That statement of yours above is absolutely absurd.
And, the Muslim Americans, who are preyed upon, as an example, by Republican Christian conservatives and "Tea Partyists", are not slandered, discriminated against, and ultimately treated like third class citizens. You want to explain that "Future"?
How is it, "Future" that in America, the land of freedom of religion, that many Muslim Americans live in fear?
Here again, Republican bigotry and their "tunnel vision" politics cannot be denied by any rationally minded American.
There is no deflection here. Americans have rights. This is another one of the many reasons Romney is "bad news", and cannot be elected to the Oval Office.
Finding rational thinkers and problem-solvers in today's GOP is about as likely as the Curiosity rover bumping into little green men on Mars. But former Florida governor Charlie Crist is that kind of rare republican, or rather he was, until he left the GOP insane asylum and registered as an independent.
On Sunday, Crist officially endorsed President Obama in the Tampa Bay Times. Read his outstanding column here:
http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/...
With Paul Ryan's views on women's rights,he could run against Iran's current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and win.Iran also does not view that a woman has any rights,or that they are entitled to have them.
In reply to Michael Casler; President Obama is a Christian. However, his principals remain intact to people's rights and the separation of church-and-state.
In questioning Romney's mixture of his religious and political beliefs as one, this is certainly an avenue of discussion that should be taken to the point of detail.
I don't know where, for sure, Romney's beliefs in denying people rights and pursuit of happiness really originates from. However, I do know, he does not belong in the White House representing all Americans of race, gender, religious beliefs, and or of sexual orientation.
Romney is a disgrace. If anything belongs in the trashcan, it is Romney / Ryan!!!
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BChap once again plays the religious bigot red card saying "the Muslim Americans, who are preyed upon, as an example, by Republican Christian conservatives".
No evidence to make this baseless claim.
Really BChap you need to have some respect for others and not lie by bad faith ressentiment character assassination and vilification of honest people of faith.
In reply to "Future"; how about living by what Casler said, the facts. Here it is;
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/Dec...
And by the way Michael Casler, I could care less whether you have a problem with what I write, when I write, or how I write it.
The person I answer to is the room moderator.
And most likely the moderator will allow me to say that, in my opinion, Romney / Ryan are religious filled bigots who could care less about the entire diversified population of America.
Ryan is Santorum with a calculator.
Even the Catholic Bishops pronounced the Ryan/Romney budget "immoral."
In reply to "Future"; just to finish putting you in your place. I do not bash religions.
Harry Reid is Mormon. I have great respect for him as Senate Majority Leader. Harry knows how to practice, as a politician, separation of church-and-state.
With regard to Romney's Mormonism:
It his right to join the church of his choice.
I will also tell you that in Evangelical and Spirit filled congregations which I have attended for years that the Mormons were treated as a joke and ridiculed as a cult with well dressed members.
Since it became apparent that a Mormon was going to be running against "The Anti-Christ, Barack Hussein Obama" it is now acceptable in the faith based community to vote for a man whose faith was roundly mocked and belittled as having no merit as recently as 2011.
If Romney would renounce his Mormonism I could consider him as a viable world leader, folks who believe in the Joseph Smith version of the "bible" or "Book Of Mormon" do not deserve to be the most powerful man (arguably) on the planet.
Just my opinion, but it will make me vote for none of the above unless Obama shows me a moral need for the drone strikes we are seeing and hearing about.
BChap cite a extreme liberal source to claim that "Muslim Americans, who are preyed upon, as an example, by Republican Christian conservatives .."
Here is what his student newspaper source said shortly after a 9/11 survey
Researchers found that opinions on restricting civil liberties for Muslim Americans vary by political self-identification.
-About 40 percent of Republican respondents agreed that Muslim Americans should be required to register their whereabouts,
- compared with 24 percent of Democratic respondents and 17 percent of independents respondents agreed that Muslim Americans should be required to register their whereabouts,
Therefore 60% a vast majority of Republicans do not agreed that Muslim Americans should be required to register their whereabouts,
And 24% of DEMOCRATS thought the same as 40% of Republicans
The student newspaper NEVER mentions Romney
So BChap once again is making it up
In reply to "Future", you spent all this time in a desperate mode trying to find something on the Internet that would save Republican face? Is that the best you could do? You make me laugh.
And Romney, well, was he not a leader in the Mormon Church, that became what was known to be, "A Master Of Many Keys In The Church"? I can't wait to hear your desperate reply to this one.
Sure, come on "Future", take the next few hours desperately searching for something that at best will be nothing more than a futile attempt in convincing voters that Romney doesn't have a problem in separating his "Mormonism" from his politics.
I'd like to respond to Mike's comment on the differing impact of the two candidates on the deficit.
First, one has to remember that the budget is a 10 year program and when a President takes office, his starting point is the programs he inherits. With Obama, other than the stimulus bill, which added $787B in new programs and a few other smaller programs, all with no offsets, the deficits over the last 4 years are predominantly the effects of the programs in place on 1/20/2008. (Actually with the medicare cuts inherent in "Obamacare", the CBO suggests that future deficits will be lower than forecast at the close of the Bush years.) Bush on the other hand inherited a budget program which was in surplus and added, without revenue offsets, trillions in new programs like the wars, the tax cuts and Medicare Drug benefit that continue under Obama (and will Romney if he is elected).
The question now is which of the two will be more likely to adjust the budget so that the deficit at least starts to goes away. I don't think anyone's crystal ball is sufficiently clear to make such a prediction. The only detailed proposal to date by the GOP is the Ryan budget. Certainly it won't make meaningful dents compared to Obama's plan to allow the Bush tax cuts to laps on earnings above $250k. And if Romney could repeal Obamacare, that would cost Medicare $715B unless some other program replaced those savings.
As an avid fan of politics as spectator sport (way better than NFL and year round to boot), I wonder how they will all deal with the fiscal cliff, will the lame duck session address it, will the new congress be stuck with the politics of addressing it, or will we drive off it and see GDP drop by .5% as forecast by CBO?
If anyone believes what "Future" writes, then those same people believe Mitt Romney paid the full amount of taxes to the U.S. government that he hides in offshore accounts.
And anyone who believes all this, should come and see me so I can sell them a block of the bridge that goes from the Hawaiian Islands to Los Angeles, California. But, don't fret, I've received word that Republicans Carmine DiFazio and Michael Casler are interested in making a purchase.
Sorry Jeff voting "none of the above" is no longer an option.
In reply to "JeffFromVegas"; at least President Obama is fighting Al-Qaeda in these drone attacks. That's a heck of a lot more honorable than Romney / Ryan fighting the American people to take their rights and their benefits away that they have paid into for their entire adult lives.
Come on Jeff, I know you'll do the right thing and vote to reelect President Obama.
BChap says"In reply to "Future", you spent all this time in a desperate mode trying to find something on the Internet that would save Republican face? Is that the best you could do? You make me laugh."
Gee BChap you don't even recognize the material in YOUR OWN SOURCE
Gee BChap you are laughing at YOUR OWN SOURCE. You make me laugh.
LOL
BChap says "You make me laugh."....Romney / Ryan fighting the American people to take their rights and their benefits away that they have paid into for their entire adult lives.
That would be Obama who robbed Medicare of $716 billion. No votes of support from Republicans. Romney is not in office Romney did not support robbing $716 billion from Medicare.
That would be Obama who took $14,300 from each of 50 million retirees out of the Medicare trust fund that they paid into
"If" it were at all possible for Ryan to be in a woman's shoes when situations arise for a woman to make her own decisions and clearly those in case of rape....I wonder what his thinking would be...for sure it would NOT BE along the lines he's thinking now. How fast he would change his tune. I agree with several women who said it should be left up to a woman to make decisions about women.
Why did Democrats allow a former KKK member, Robert Byrd, (D) West Virginia to win so many re-elections as a U.S. Senator?
Can you believe the Crap Sandwich these left wing radicals are trying to feed America!
Steven and BChap:
I am working like crazy to deny Romney votes. I am AGAINST him. Still need to complete research that will show we have done due diligence on the drone attacks and have compensated people for our mistakes with justice.
GWB was a giggling murderer, thought it was all a joke, we don't need another guy who thinks we can kill em all -- young and old if we stick to our guns. We have seen leaders practice on the sick and the poor for too long.
When I have time, I have faith I will stand alongside both of you.
Dark Gable asks:
"Why did Democrats allow a former KKK member, Robert Byrd, (D) West Virginia to win so many re-elections as a U.S. Senator?"
I say:
Because he repented and apologized, and apologized and repented. Till the day he died.
Bradley,
You've said several times that you don't care about what I think about you, or what you say. You don't need to keep repeating it. You've made that and the fact that you disagree with me very clear. You're quite personal in your remarks and I am not, but unless the moderator intervenes and I'd never ask him to, you can be as caustic as you like.
You are a 'true believer' in the D party and Progressives, which is unfortunate. I feel that way about any American who is a 'true believer' in the D or R party. I understand supporting one or the other, but when people find it difficult to impossible not to totally vilify the other party and those in it and those that support it and find equal difficulty in finding fault with their own party, it means they are closed. I'm sure you'll disagree, but that's how you appear to me.
Michael
You'll never hear Bradley or any Obama supporter mention it or believe what Romney said, but he did address the offshore issue. As with most people running for office, Romney's assets are invested by a blind trust, which Romney does not control. He said if the trust invested in off shore accounts or any other type of investment, it would be because the trustee thought it a wise financial investment. As Romney pointed out, many Americans invest in all sorts of vehicles. He went on to say that full taxes would have been paid on any money in offshore accounts.
Now of course Romney could be lying and Bradley is sure he is. However, there could not possibly be anything in Obama's University transcripts that could be embarrassing.
I take it as most probable that there is nothing embarrassing in those transcripts so I don't want to see them, plus we so need to keep our attention on the economy that threatens us all. I also take Romney at his word for exactly the same reasons.
Michael
Uh oh. God sent a hurricane named Isaac (clearly African-American) to the Gulf Coast just as the republican convention was scheduled to get under way.
What does it mean? Who knows. But using the supernatural witch doctor anti-science logic employed by former GOP presidential candidate and raving evangelical lunatic, Pat Robertson, big storms are simply God's way of saying some person, place or political party is on the devine shhh ... unhappy list.
Which brings up the obvious question: Why does God hate republicans? Is it because they're greedy lowlife worms who twist the teachings of Jesus into unrecognizable BS?
It is equally true that Obama's blind trust maybe investing oversea. Obama will not tell us. Because get this mits blind and he does not have to.
It's extremely arrogant of the author to claim the republican controlled house is only acting in opposition to Obama to get him out of office. They are acting according to republican beliefs, which they believe are for the good of America.
As far as government spending is concerned, the deficit is at an amount that is hurting America's credit rating. It's something that doesn't go away and MUST be payed back by someone. Increasing government spending without raising taxes only INCREASES the deficit (or American Liabilities).
As for teachers, firefighters, etc; it isn't the federal governments job to pay for those things, its the states (as said in the constitution). If the state can't sustain those things, it needs to change its budget in a way it can, and if it still can't, it will have to chose what's more important in their budget. This whole mix up of state and federal jurisdiction of finances has really crippled Nevada and should be a great cause of concern for this state (Like when Obama forced the state to lengthen the period of paying unemployment checks).
Whether the right of the mother is greater than that of a child is up to opinion but the fiscal claims of the author are extremely arrogant.
Jeff,
When you talk about looking into drone attacks I hope you are talking about the ones authorized by Obama against at least one US citizen without benefit of a trial first. That action is right up there with water-boarding in my book.
Blah, Blah, Blah. Here's to you Carmine; you are, once again, WRONG. Mittens is no more an "expert" in business than YOU ARE. RyAYN is no more an "expert" in economics than YOU ARE. You have your knee jerk teabag rhetoric, and you spew it over and over, ad nausea. Vote for this pair of anti American rich bitches if you want too. How about generating some factual posits as to what they would actually DO if elected? YOU CAN'T! Keep posting your BS, and I'll keep refuting it.
Mr. Lind:
Being worth $210 MILLION is a sign of a business expert by most if not all. Of course, you would deny that but offer no tangible proof with facts for your reasoning. Just your opinions.
CarmineD
Paul Ryan is a budget expert and considered by many as the foremost authority in the US on the federal budget. He is a 14 year member of the House of Representatives, and as such, is galactically more qualified as a legislator to be president than Obama was in 2008.
CarmineD
Obama made his money selling a tell all book about his drug use and from the Nobel Preace prize follow by directing 100s of murders by drones
Does that make him an expert on the economy? No
Re Carmine. "Being worth $210 million is a sign of a business expert by most if not all." Really? Your lack of knowledge of business acumen is once again on display for all to see. There are people worth far more than Mittens who have NO BUSINESS EXPERIENCE. Angelina Jolie is worth FAR MORE THAN MITTENS WILL EVER BE WORTH. What is her job description?...Movie actress. Mittens worth, to me, MEANS NOTHING other than he made a whole bunch of money. It could have been made selling dope. Quit equating "BUSINESS EXPERTISE", with dollars earned. If that is your basis for business experience, then you are a fool....but I've already put that equation together.
Re Dark_Gable70. The "Democrats", other than those in his own state, had NOTHING TO DO with his continued reelection to the Senate. KKK affiliation?..Let's not forget the "paragon of virtue", Strom Thurmond...One of the most racist and vitriolic people to ever serve in the Senate. They had to drag his corpse out of there, just like Byrd. Both were anachronistic A..hats, who outlived their usefulness.
Michael,
Blind trusts:
"The blind trust is an age-old ruse, if you will," Romney said. "Which is to say, you can always tell a blind trust what it can and cannot do." Mitt Romney, 1994
For more easy to understand information:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/07/2...
In reply to all Republicans in this discussion forum; there are a lot of people who read these Las Vegas Sun discussion rooms from not only the United States, but also from different parts of the world. There are many readers tonight, many of which are laughing at the Republican foolishness written in this discussion room. Like me, they are also shaking their heads in absolute disgust concerning these same Republicans.
In reply to "Future"; yes, I was laughing at you, specifically. The only defense you could mount for Republicans after all your research time was to use the information provided by me, in the subject link. And what did you say, in essence, concerning Muslim Americans, and the fear they live in? "Well, there are only twice as many Republican bigots as there are Democrat bigots."
What's next "Future", are you going to defend the actions of the former U.S. soldiers who were mounting domestic terrorism plots against the President of the United States? Here is another link that you Republicans can politically hang yourselves from:
http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutor-ga-murd...
What is your lame defense going to be that these "home grown" domestic terrorists are not a part of the extreme Republican militia network? Again, I can't wait to read this response!!!
In reply to Michael Casler; in copying your post yesterday addressed to me in particular;
By wtplv (Michael Casler) Aug. 26, 20121 2:14 p.m.
Thank you for the example Bradley. I stand corrected. Can you also name something good that R's have done or stand for? It would be great if you could. Michael"
Now, here today, here you go "flip-flopping" around like Mitt "The Unfit" Romney and totally reversing your writings from yesterday. And you wonder why you have lost all political credibility in these Las Vegas Sun discussion rooms.
Over an hour, and I haven't seen a reply from the fabulous Carmine about Mitten's business acumen. Why?, because Mittens is just another BS multimillionaire, and an image of the true GOP base: a rich old white guy trying to "relate" to people who actually work for a living. It will never happen. He is, as he said, what he is. Screw Mittens/RyAYN. A GOP ticket of flip flopping A**hats; "trust me" and I'll make your miserable lives better. A more stinking crock, I've never seen.
Bymtplv Michael Casler,With all due respect,Mitt Romney's money may be in a blind trust and he may not know of all his daily investment moves. But he knows his money is in off shore investments and tax shelters.He can at anytime direct a change in where his money is invested, just as he is able to take some out at anytime as he wishes.Beleive me if his investments started losing large amounts of money he would order the needed changes.People with that kind of money watch it very close,with updates.
Both Mittens and RyAYN should give every logical voter a crystal clear choice. A return to the Bush era limitless credit card, or a sober solution to what this country really needs to get rolling again. There cannot be progress without revenue. Norquist's simplistic "policy" cannot move the country forward. As I write this, Hurricane Issac is headed toward the gulf coast states, with the possibility of blasting New Orleans AGAIN. Does anyone with a modicum of common sense think that the scrawny looking A**hat of a Governor of Louisiana will not be BEGGING ON HIS HANDS AND KNEES for Federal disaster relief, if the Hurricane hits the city of New Orleans? Hardly. These same "independent" GOP clowns profess that their citizens, on their own, will somehow group together and fix their devastated areas without any outside help. Bu*ls**t. The government of Louisiana will be the first with their hand out for Federal aid. I am using Louisiana as an example only. I have been around long enough to know that there ain't no such thing as ANY STATES CITIZENS fixing up the aftermath of a natural disaster, without Federal Government aid. Period. Droughts, tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, and on and on. ALL REQUIRE FEDERAL AID. Anyone who doesn't comprehend that, should turn down any economic assistance, and ask his equally devastated neighbors, to "pitch in" and rebuild the neighborhood. What a crock. The GOP hasn't a clue what real citizens of this country go through after a disaster. How many disasters have Mittens and RyAYN had to go through? Answer: none. They float in the atmosphere of riches, with no regard or empathy for the rest of us.
Outstanding letter...
Pretty much sums-up what Willard Romney is all about...
I cheered when Romeny announced his pick of a running mate. The guy with two first names is an extreme right-winger who has not a clue about what this country is all about.
His nomination as VP is a major plus for the Democrats.
Anyone with any common sense at all recognizes that his budget plan would be a disaster for this country...
His proposed cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid would be the death sentence for many middle class Americans and a sure death sentence for the poor....
Of course, the GOP is again depending upon the uneducated; the ill informed and the "nuts" to carry their extreme right-wing ideology forward at the ballot box......
NOTHING NEW THERE!
Bill.......GREAT LETTER, SPOT ON!
YES, Willard drove the old Nash Rambler straight
off the cliff by picking the most extreme, right
wing teabagger in Congress for V.P.
And Carmine calls this Eddie Munster a budget
expert. HA. HA, HA, HA, HA.
This budget expert already voted for all of the
bush policies that destroyed our economy.
And now, these GOP clowns want to double-down on
the same bush policies.
TOTAL AND COMPLETE INSANITY!!!
Romney's bad first decision is bad for us and
just as bad for him.
This crazy, little Eddie Munster would be just
one heart-beat from being president.
WOW!!!
The republican party is soooooo screwed.
FOUR MORE YEARS FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!
AND in a recent interview......
Romney said,"I am what I am and that's all what
I am."
Then he said,"Remember that Popeye line?"
POPEYE????
OMG!!!!
This guy is sooooooo out of it.
UNBELIEVABLE!
"He can at anytime direct a change in where his money is invested, just as he is able to take some out at anytime as he wishes."
Mr. Pizzo:
The problem with your logic is that Romney uses/pays for the blind trust so he doesn't have to spend the time and effort to do so himself.
CarmineD
Mr. Lind:
Let's stick to President Obama and Gov Romney for business comparisons. Romney's are worth $250 Million. My estimate above was too low. Obama's are worth $12 Million. Now, of the two, who is the best business man? Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question.
If Angelina Jolie were running for office, I opine Brad's mother would not vote for her but for her opponent.
CarmineD
Popeye is an American classic and icon. Quoting him is likewise.
Now eat your spinach Mr. Teamster. Just like your mother always told you, because Popeye said so.
CarmineD
The problem with people like you Mr. Lind is that you believe the Obama-Dem hype that a successful business man should be disqualified from the presidency. I don't. I think $250 Million in net worth and personal wealth is a badge of honor and merits a presidential run. More so than a community activist and half term junior Senator from Illinois who after 4 years still can't lead.
CarmineD
Carmine,"the problem with your logic is that Romney uses/pays for the blind trust so he dosen't have to spend the time and effort to do so himself"
If I might add the problem with your logic, is that you imply that because Gov.Romney has a blind trust, he is not in any way responsible to where his money is invested. Let me repeat myself if Gov.Romney's inveatments were losing large amounts of money he would order a change. I beg to differ with your logic.
Ryan the budget expert requested stimulus funds for Wisconsin even as he lambasted President Obama's 787 billion initiative as a waste of money. Voted for the Bush tax cuts 2001,2003, for TARP (the $700 billion bank bailout), for two wars,Medicare part D,for the auto bailout. He voted to extend the unemployment benefits 2002,2008,and 2009 but has been against extensions since.Voted against the Bowles-Simpson deficit reduction plan. Budget expert?Bush and the Republicans took us from a surplus to the deficit we have now and the choose to blame this administration. President Obama needs a huge shovel to dig us out of this hole the previous administration has dug for us. What makes it even harder to dig our way out is all that manure the Republicans keeps shoveling into the hole.
Mr. Pizzo:
Romney pays a blind trust manager[s] so he doesn't have to spend his time and effort managing his money. He's designated a blind trust to do so and pays them to do it. That's my point. If he intercedes and directs the blind trust, he is paying them to do a job he is doing for them. Then he may as well not pay them to do it and do it himself.
It's like hiring a contractor to do your landscaping all year around and then doing it all yourself. What's the point? Wasting time and money.
CarmineD
carmine,"Romney pays blind trust managers" I don't beleive I said any different,what I did say is he gets briefs on what his investments are doing. You on the other hand try to imply that he knows nothing of where is money is invested.Like all blind trusts updates are provided to all who participate in them,Gov.Romney included.
"Of course, the GOP is again depending upon the uneducated; the ill informed and the "nuts" to carry their extreme right-wing ideology forward at the ballot box......"
So the GOP is striving to get your vote. How is that going?
and once these useless feeders (Sgt Rock cites) do their job, the Right will toss them into the ovens just like most.
bout Eugenics folks. Once you place this over the rhetoric it all makes sense.
Private Pebble.....Nice try but NO cigar!
The GOP figured out a long, long time ago that they were wasting their time trying to get my vote...
Of course, I'm sure they can ALWAYS count on yours, right?
Hmmmmm.....tell me again. How many times did you vote for George junior?
Carmine.....
Voters already know that Romney and all other
republicans worship money above all else.
Republican greed will lose again, in November.
Jesus said that we will be judged by how we treat
the poor.
That lets republicans out, real quick.
Maybe when the Maker explains that to you, you
will finally believe it.
PRESIDENT OBAMA WILL SAIL TO RE-ELECTION!
"You on the other hand try to imply that he knows nothing of where is money is invested."
I didn't imply YOU INFERRED. Mr. Pizzo, Romney doesn't care where it is invested as long as it is legal for I.R.S. He pays others to worry about it, so he doesn't have to. That's my point.
CarmineD
Mr. Teamster:
When people say its not about the money, it's about the money. Take your wallet out and look at it. Put it down. And look at it again. Everything you've done in your life is about what's in that wallet [and elsewhere where you can keep it because it won't fit in the wallet]. If you don't believe me, throw it away and start over. Let me know when you do.
CarmineD
Carmine,"I didn't IMPLY you inferred",He knows where his money is invested, with briefs,and that's my point.
He knows where his money is invested, with briefs,and that's my point.
So he knows. Your point is no point.
CarmineD
Carmine,"so he knows,your point is no point'.I beleive I made my point days ago,but you have not.
I missed it. Could not have been very important.
CarmineD
Carmine, you don't miss anything,your wise cracks are a reflection of who you really are.
Dark Gable asks:
"Why did Democrats allow a former KKK member, Robert Byrd, (D) West Virginia to win so many re-elections as a U.S. Senator?"
JeffFromVegas asks:
Because he repented and apologized, and apologized and repented. Till the day he died.
So Jeff, are you saying it's OK to be in the KKK, as long as you apologize for it in order to run for public office?
Wise cracks to you are merely telling the truth for me.
CarmineD
Mr. Pizzo:
My wife and I have annuities with a reputable organization. I have no idea whatsoever, none, I repeat none, what the origanization invests in. None. Notta. Did I say NONE. We get one statement at the end of the year that tells us the beginning balance, ending balance, increase during the year and rate of return on the monies invested. We've had these annuities for years. I never ask what is being invested and where. Why? For one reason, it changes on a regular basis. Another reason, we trust the organization, which we pay, to invest wisely for us.
I fully understand and support Romney's stance on his personal investments.
CarmineD
Its too bad the writer is so ignorant to the facts. That if we knew about Obama, what we know about Romney, this paper would be out f business because nobody with half a brain cell would dare to admit they voted for Obama.
But with the media bias against Romney and the blackout on Obama facts, you are making a critical choice that will impact the lives of your grandchildren, with only knowing one side... A shame and a waste of a precious vote.