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Sunday, Aug. 5, 2012 | 2:01 a.m.
War is commonly defined as victory at all costs and no compromise. Governing should be defined as the art of compromise. Our two parties, if viewed honestly, are conducting a war instead of governing, and we are all suffering as a result.
Regardless of how we each feel about certain issues, we should all demand that the war stops and compromise begins. When it doesn’t, and it most likely won’t, we should start punishing both parties at the polls.
We are going to need more revenue, and tax increases on everyone are going to have to be part of any solution. Democrats have part of that correct but are unwilling to raise taxes on everyone. Defense and entitlements are each a large part of the budget. Both Democrats and Republicans are reluctant to find real cuts in the defense budget, and Democrats won’t budge on doing something about entitlement spending, even for new participants.
I have to vote for one of our two main parties or support a third party — even though I know that due to our two main parties, third parties are effectively locked out of any real chance to compete.
It stuns me that here, in my country, all of the above is now the reality.
Michael,
The only reason third parties don't become a substantial factor is because too many people (including you) don't support them because of the perception that there can only be two major parties.
Yes, it might take time, but if enough people broke away from the mindset that there can *only* be two parties then the changes you desire could take place.
I don't mean to be harsh, especially since we know each other personally, but it is time for independents to "put up or shut up" and start supporting whatever party, "third" or not, that represents how they feel and change the current political environment.
"The pot calling the kettle black." That's what this BS about Non-partisanship is all about. Dumbocrats, when holding the reins of power, can't help but whine about things the Republicrats do to stop them from their merry spend & tax ways, yet, when the shoe is on the other foot, I never hear a word about "working" together from them and that's not a bad thing. It's the way the framers of our Constitution planned it. They knew, more than most of us today, that too much government was not the answer, it was the problem, and they intentionally worked to limit it in size & scope. But, over the years, the political parties, all of them, with the help of a squeamish and compliant "Supreme" Court, eroded the limits on their ability to control us. Would any of the Founders have thought some jackass of a politican would act so dictatorial as to limit the size of a soft drink we could buy? It's simply mind-boggling the things elected & unelected bureaucratic drones think they can mandate. Maybe it's too late to reverse course, but we'd better try or we can kiss our freedoms goodby with creepy-crawlers like Michael Bloomberg (and his clones) being selected to run over us.
Why so stuned
We have a working class and we have an entitlement class
As the working class gets smaller they must provide more to a growing entitlement class
We are at the tipping point
Conservative are fight to grow the working class
Liberals are fighting to grow the entitlement class
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Look at the emerging polices in Obama's campaign
Hope and Change 2.0 FORWARD for America
- Teenage girls and single moms - Free Abortions, free tanning bed passes, and free child care
- Gays - Eliminate enforcing of the Clinton Marriage Act and more parades; and shut down Chick-Fil-A
- Blacks - Eliminate voter IDs, increase food stamps, and increase disparate impacts
- Union workers - Special organizing rights, preferential project awards
- Hispanics - Open up Borders and eliminate picking up illegal immigrants
- Muslims - Adopt Sharia law and replace Judo-Christian values
Christian Middle Class - Raise tax rates, increase regulation and rules, higher energy cost. Mandate activities for small businesses and -- stifle success, and you did not build that Business.
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Mr. Casler:
You knew when this letter was published I would write back and say this to you. And I won't disappoint you. I am not as much a proponent of compromise as you. The rule in politics is this: If it's a matter of fad, go along. If it's a matter of principle, stand firm.
CarmineD
Isn't it great to live in Absurdistan?
IT'S ALL JUST A WAR GAME OF CHESS
Michael, you recently said in one of your commentaries addressed to me that in order for me to be taken seriously in these discussion rooms, I must temper my commentaries. That is not going to happen. As an Independent voter, I'm still a chess player. As the election draws near, I have done what "Boftx" said in his commentary above. I have made a choice of what party I will ultimately support. I agree the third party is for the most part, a wasted vote.
Michael, make a choice between the two parties, and go for it. This middle of the ground whimpering for compromise is going nowhere. In my opinion, you need to lighten up, and do yourself a favor and learn the political war strategies of the chess matches. Bringing a checker game mentality to the chess fight, is only going to get you, in a sense, disappointed and crushed.
No matter what you say in this public forum, most every commentator wants to win the debate that they get into the midst of. We each have our own game plan to attain victory.
For example, Carmine and I just had a marathon debate that was heated, and at times insulting to the other. But, you know what Michael? What everyone else didn't know is that privately, Carmine and I had exchanged e-mails. We assured each other our friendship, no matter what was intact. The political chess match raged on. In these discussion rooms, Carmine is my friend. It may not seem like it at times. However, he is a good man with honorable intents. Carmine can also withstand a massive assault of opposing commentators, and still stand tall. That deserves respect!!!
"KillerB" brings to the table a quite diversified chess game strategy. In his commentaries on Constitutional law, he will attack the whole discussion room in one short commentary. He withstands massive return assaults and returns himself, a barrage of legal statements that put an entire group of commentators on the defensive. That is to be respected too.
I even like Jerry Fink. His aggressive no nonsense style of "in your face" chess playing makes me laugh, but also I respect his "no fear" approach to the game.
Don't take this discussion room talk too seriously. It's just politics. For those of us who have faced real "life and death situations", these discussion rooms are just fun. It's a chess match of strategies that are each personally designed to win a debate.
In closing Michael, I'm certainly not saying that that the politics in our lives are not of importance. My point is, the country will run no matter who wins the election. Maybe in high gear. Maybe in low gear. But it will run. Enjoy life, Michael. Chess is a great game no matter how it is played!!!
"For example, Carmine and I just had a marathon debate that was heated, and at times insulting to the other"
Mr. Chapline:
I believe it was President Reagan who said: You don't see the light until you feel the heat.
CarmineD
Michael; this is not to say that there are not serious moments of discussion in these rooms. However, we should all move quickly past these type subjects. And then, put a smile on our faces and plot our next strategies on less solemn subjects.
Come on Michael, you know many times we employ our greatest strategies when insulting our opponents and not being bounced by the room moderator. Have a good day Michael. You too, Carmine. <Laughing> And you did lose our last debate!!!
Carmine says; "I believe it was President Reagan who said: You don't see the light until you feel the heat."
In reply: Boy, is that why we see some lights that periodically make our eyeballs squint???
I will say this in response to my fellow commenters:
The Roman empire ceased to 'run' at some point, even though it seemed like that could never happen.
Government has become gigantic and is involved in everything. Congress is the most powerful entity in America and to be a member is one of the most powerful positions in America. We pay 10 times more attention to the Presidential election than we do any Congressional election.
Anyone or any entity that wants to be and stay rich and powerful lobbies Congress. The parties and the people in Congress know that without money the employers of the lobbyists provide, they cannot gain and keep power, so they pass legislation the wealthy and powerful want (both Liberal and Conservative legislation). To keep the voters (us) at bay, the parties and those in Congress continually do 3 things, regardless of party: 1) enlarge government. 2) pander to groups, factions, etc with rheteroic and legislation and 3) pit voters (us) against each other, so we don't open our eyes and see what's going on.
Again, it's not a conspiracy. It's just people trying to get what they can get, then get more, and working as they can in a corrupted system.
Even that system worked, to a degree, until one more element was added: Congress and both parties, by trial and error really, discovered that the American public would allow them to spend money without raising taxes to pay for what was spent! Once they knew this, we turned onto the road of financial ruin.
We can 'stick to our positions', 'enjoy life', 'stand by our party', 'not compromise', 'stand on principal', 'just ignore everything' etc. all we want, and while we do, Congress will just keep dividing, borrowing, printing, and deficit spending... as long as we 'meekly' and or 'blindly' go along.
This will continue and our way of life will slowly decline until we reach a tipping point, a point at which enough people will be living a life they never thought they'd live in America, that our social fabric will come apart. I hope I am dead before then.
Ladies and Gentlemen, that is my view. Agree or disagree as you like. I could be wrong and hope I am, but I think I am right.
The MOST IMPORTANT thing we need to do to change course is to start insisting, that whoever we place in office, at any level, return to matching tax revenue to government expenditures. The genie is out of the bottle and if we don't force the genie back in, we ....... insert any negative word you like.
Michael
Actually insulting each other does not accomplish much. The fact that you brag about being insulting is sick
The idea that you try to win a principled point over for example larger or smaller government by being a bully, by intimidation, or by faux lies is wrong.
We need to get the discussion back to substance not have ads that are bad faith ressentiment character assassination and vilification.
In this society we should reject bullies and intimidators.
Regardless of your position you should reject Harry Reid going the the sacred well of the Senate and lying to America about a candidate not paying taxes for ten years. To force discourse with a lie using bully tactics is wrong. Reid is the second most powerfully political leader in America and has never released a tax return? Speaking in the well gives Reid immunity from a lawsuit
Without compromise, imbalances in government and problems they create will continue to persist. The 'PERFECT SOLUTION" will not be found which is probably best since no one really knows what it is. The only way to improvement is through compromise where no one is completely satisfied but progress is made.
Unless you're an adherent of voodoo arithmetic, you'll realize two facts. Government spending must be reduced and taxes must be increased. Period! End of story.
In reply to "Future"; How many times have you insulted my personal opinions "Future" when I have never even addressed you personally? Be careful as to your reply. It's all in the Sun records that we have access to. I guess that makes you a bully, doesn't it?
This is typical Republican thinking. You can dish it out, but when you get what you got coming in return, you cry foul. Grow up!!! Face the real world. Venture out from your "fractured glass house" and experience the real world, and then maybe I'll listen to what you have to say.
Compromise can easily be done if the scope of the issue is limited
A two page bill requiring per-existing condition coverage would have easily passed. But wrapping it with unacceptable stuff to others killed the compromise.
Law makers constantly add riders that bring down widely accepted bills.
Stop the linkage of issues and a lot more will be accomplished
If any of you are interested in seeing our possible future, read Generation Squeezed by Robert Samuelson and Toward a More Dependent Nation by Byron York in todays Opinion section of the RJ. Both write much more eloquently than I do.
Mr. York's commentary points our how much more dependent Americans are on government than ever before, blaming Obama when the real blame belongs to Bush, Obama and Congress. I'd be fine with more dependence, if it was all paid for in higher taxes... because I know those higher taxes would make Americans 'reconsider' what all the dependency is costing.
Mr. York's commentary is part of why I worry about the country and my grandchildren. We spend more every year and have fewer people to fund the spending. That can mean only one thing... more borrowing and printing of money, since Congress seems to have forgotten how to raise taxes on all Americans to pay for what government spends. It cannot continue forever.
Michael
Michael says "Mr. York's commentary is part of why I worry about the country and my grandchildren. We spend more every year and have fewer people to fund the spending. That can mean only one thing... more borrowing and printing of money, since Congress seems to have forgotten how to raise taxes on all Americans to pay for what government spends. It cannot continue forever.
As I said before:
We have a working class and we have an entitlement class
As the working class gets smaller they must provide more to a growing entitlement class
That was a very emotional commentary Michael Casler! So, you have registered yourself in these discussion rooms as a "Doomsdayer" if the country does not do what you think it should.
Same with you Casler; as I said to "Future" about your "fractured glass houses". When have you seen true human suffering? And, I'm not talking about the absence of your BMW's, and all the other so-called treasures that "glass house" Republican "doomsday" freaks prefer to immerse themselves in?
You haven't, is the truth. I have a proven record and history of protecting those who cannot protect themselves, even at my personal expense. All you Republicans can do is cry for more profits, more greed, and more power. Well, you all can cry and complain, moan and groan all you want. But, the reality is, the herd has taken over. We may have our faults, but human rights and the dignity of the downtrodden are important for us "so-called liberals" to overcome in the name of humanity.
And, if you think this particular commentary was just written to win a debate, you're wrong. This is one of my serious commentaries. This one comes from my heart. I could less about the "yuppies" of our society. You were the entire problem during the Bush / Cheney years, and you're the problem now. But, guess what? Your power is diminishing. Your influence is diminishing. Your greed is being forcefully diminished. Your days are numbered. Every one of you will come out of your pathetic "glass houses" whether you want to or not. There is only one type of human suffering I like to watch; and that is to see the rich, greedy and powerful be reduced to that of which the herd has lived an entire life by. In reality, this is not human suffering, it is just a pitiful human being knocked down to rational standards of living.
Stop "fighting" for us and get something done. Let's compromise on the welfare programs by retaining programs for disabled and ending programs for able-bodied, including parents of young kids. We can keep basic support such as food stamps until they learn to live on their own means.
You're right in your commentary above Roslenda. However, the needy have no chance unless the Republicans are given something in return. The Republicans have no clue what it is like in doing something just for the purposes of it being the right thing to do.
I knew what these putrid Republicans were about years ago. I knew they would try to take my Social Security away. This is why I opted out when the opportunity was there for me to do so. I've bolstered my medical care coverage, because I knew these putrid Republicans would try to take Medicare away from me when I got older. You know what? I was right. Look at what these scumbag Republicans are trying to do? Vote'em out!!! Vote all these forms of Republican human trash out of office!!!
So, go ahead Casler, continue to make your comments of compromise, when at the same time you sit in your office paper pushing peoples bankruptcies through the system charging poor people an arm and a leg for monies they don't even have. You've been EXPOSED for who you really are!!!
Michael: you do know that Mitt Romney wants to increase the Defense budget by an additional $1 trillion over what it is now but can't say where the money will come from.
He says we have a 'moral obligation' to support Israel in a war on Iran while implying a second moral and religious obligation to end planned parenthood, Dept of Education, Urban Development etc. Now that the terrorist threat has been lowered, he says it's time to 'stand up' to China and Russia. Where is the money coming from to stand up?
What brought the Roman Empire down was that could not pay for it's military so the Legions that remained were recalled to defend the homeland.
At the end of the Empire, there was no middle class. Only the super wealthy in their villas who did not fight and the masses struggling to feed themselves. Such a struggling person could make more money dismantling and sacking their own cities then fighting for the Roman elite in their armies.
Removing stones from existing buildings was outlawed but it had no effect. Governing and library structures were taken apart, brick by brick and the documents burned for heat. What remained in the darkness and grew strong was religion. Rationality was defeated and myths were used to govern.
You have two choices: continued preparation for massive world wars or building the quality of life in America.
In reply to Jon Becker; great post!!!
To "Casler" and "Future"; well where are you? Both of you wanted a no-frills debate. Are you hiding? Are you thinking of how you can possibly respond to my previous comments?
It doesn't make any difference. People of good morals and standards had you two pegged a long time ago!!!
Boy oh boy, Bradley, do you have an inaccurate opinion of me. An attorney charges between $ 1300 and $ 2500 to prepare and file a Chapter 7 bankruptcy for people who need one... and often cannot afford that fee. My office charges $ 199 plus the client has to pay the court $ 306.00 to file. We also help them get a waiver of the filing fee and or go on a payment plan. We have helped thousands of people and are one of the only offices in Las Vegas to offer these services as well as other low cost legal services. Oh yeah, I am really a 'low life' guy.
Sun Jon,
Of course I know Romney wants to increase the defense budget. I don't agree with that. And you're correct to criticize him and the R's for not saying where the money to do that will come from. I see the issues.
President Obama and the D's also want to spend more money in many areas and except for taxing the wealthy more and raising business and investment taxes, also don't say where the money will come from. Each party wants to do more but different things and each has NO plan, except to borrow and print more money to pay for most of it.
I don't want us to be the world's policeman nor a dependent society, but if we are to be either one or a combination of both, I want our government to pay for what it spends.
Unless we start demanding that they do, they won't and we will go broke like the Roman Empire.
I am not what you and Bradley think I am. We have differing views about what America should be but I am flexible as to what that should be, as long as it is all paid for with fair taxes on everyone.
Let's face it Sun Jon, if all Americans were made to paid a fair share of all taxes required to provide payment for what government spends, neither of what Conservative R's or Liberal D's want would be possible. That's what I want to see. Then we can really decide how militaristic we want to be and how much we really want to spend for a safety net that covers many people who simply really don't need or deserve the assistance.
Michael
In reply to Casler; "yeah, and if, and that's a big word, is what you say is true, who subsidizes the remaining fees charged by your firm? I wonder who that could be? Of course, the taxpayers. Either way, it's unethical monies in your pocket.
BChap says "And, if you think this particular commentary was just written to win a debate, you're wrong. This is one of my serious commentaries."...."I have a proven record and history of protecting those who cannot protect themselves, even at my personal expense."
I have to admit that I missed the point of your rant. All I hear you saying is you spend 100% of your time doing what you love to do and now you want the government to take over and do what you love to do. Still do not know what that is.
What I love to do is create jobs and grow the economy so everybody can work and support themselves so only the unable need to supported by friends and family and church, and yes the government. I also have a proven record and history of protecting those who cannot protect themselves, even at my personal expense. But I do not brag about.
PART I
ARE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS YOUR OPINION OR FACT?
TO ALL READERS: I have asked FUTURE to cite his source(s) for statements that appear to be presented as fact. To date, he has not responded to my requests. To the best of my knowledge, FUTURE has never provided a citation to support any statement of fact and, therefore, it is my opinion that his comments are without merit or simply just his opinion. We are all entitled to state our opinion, which is what I am doing right now with my comments. It is not a necessary to cite a source when presenting your personal opinions because they are opinions; not facts.
However, it is customary to cite your source when presenting a fact. A citation just proves what you are saying to be a fact; you have proven your point. Providing a citation enables the reader to read the citation, form his or her own opinion, and come to his or her own conclusion.
Your total disregard toward my repeated requests to cite your source simply proves my point that the reader should not take your comments seriously unless you can: 1) provide a legitimate site from which you obtained this information or 2) state that the information as an opinion. I realize that it takes time to cite every comment that you make, but until you cite your source(s) your comments shall be viewed as baseless nonsensical gibberish. I am sorry, but this is my opinion and unless we can see a source to validate your statements; they are baseless.
The following is an example why, in my opinion, these statements require a citation:
Future, August 5, 2012 @3:44 a.m. stated:
Look at the emerging polices in Obama's campaign
Hope and Change 2.0 FORWARD for America
- Teenage girls and single moms - Free Abortions, free tanning bed passes, and free child care
- Gays - Eliminate enforcing of the Clinton Marriage Act and more parades; and shut down Chick-Fil-A
- Blacks - Eliminate voter IDs, increase food stamps, and increase disparate impacts
- Union workers - Special organizing rights, preferential project awards
- Hispanics - Open up Borders and eliminate picking up illegal immigrants
- Muslims - Adopt Sharia law and replace Judo-Christian values
Christian Middle Class - Raise tax rates, increase regulation and rules, higher energy cost. Mandate activities for small businesses and -- stifle success, and you did not build that Business.
PART II
ARE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENTS YOUR OPINION OR FACT?
If they are facts (Part I), please take each line item above and provide a legitimate citation; in other words, please cite your source.
To the readers, everyone knows that if you make a comment or statement of fact, you must be able to prove what you are saying or one could easily conclude that the comments/statements are only the beliefs of the writer.
I am stating that the comments made in Part I and Part II are simply my opinions; nothing more; nothing less.
To readers, please verify everything you read that may be of concern to you personally. For example, if you are interested in Voter Suppression or Middle Class Taxes, you make want to try using the following words and begin your search:
Voter suppression ~ Search:
1) Voter suppression and political polls;
2) Voter suppression 2012;
3) Voting Rights Act of 1965 (here is a link, but there are more ~ search): http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/vot/int...
Middle Class Taxes ~ Search:
1) Romney on Middle Class Taxes
2) Romney Middle Class Tax hike
3) http://www.barackobama.com/romney
4) http://www.barackobama.com/romney/mitt-r...
5) http://www.barackobama.com/truth-team/ro... ~ Check out the tax plans and you
The above are just examples, but think of issues that are important to you and search on them. Another example, there is a lot of discussion about the Ryan Plan ~ search on the Ryan Plan. Whatever you decide, make your choices based on your fact-finding mission. It is your choice as a voter; please make it your own.
Future, I am not stating a fact; I am expressing my opinion only.
Bradley,
You've already stepped in it. Stop, before you sink in further. I run a private business. I don't get government assistance. There are NO fees other than what I stated. The client doesn't pay more and I don't receive more. My wife and I are not rich because you don't get that way offering Bankruptcies for $ 199 and Divorces for $ 350. I am proud of what my wife and I do.
It's fine to disagree with me but stop using backward logic by deciding you want to criticize me and then just deciding that whatever I do has to be 'bad' and somehow 'nefarious'. This is just the kind of twisted logic that prevents people from moving off their position.
Michael
Kepi you really should read the government Web sites - try the HHS SITE FOR ABORTIONS, TRY THE NLRB FOR THE UNION CARVEOUTS, TRY THE DOJ TO SEE WHERE OBAMA AND HOLDER REFUSE TO ENFORCE THE LAW, TRY THE WH WHERE THEY WANT TO RAISE TAXES. Other source include the Washington Post, New York Times, las Vegas Sun, etc. - get the picture. I refuse to cite self serving sites like Moveon.org.
What is wrong with doing your own homework. I have yet to hear your disagreement that the new health and Human Service rule does require insurance plan to cover abortion as they are renew this year. Why do you think religious groups are in court to overturn the rules.
Don't have much time today, but Bradley WONDERFUL posts!!!!!!!!! You are so right, I absolutely love the way you articulate yourself in such a real and honest way. I AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS 100%. I have not read everything, don't have a lot of time, but I loved your heartfelt comments you posted at 7:18 a.m. and also on 7:34 a.m.
Thank you for what you do every day!
Michael,
You are correct about the two parties not seeing eye to eye, but you must admit, the far right is completely unwilling to negotiate. We've all heard some of them say their idea of compromise is having Democrats agree with them without them budging an inch. Record setting filibusters and the infighting amongst the GOP indicates just how serious a problem its become.
When John Boehner negotiated a deal with Obama about the debt ceiling, he was back stabbed by Eric Cantor and the tea nut caucus. It resulted in the wealthiest country in the world to be downgraded, losing our triple A rating.
Republicans have done everything possible to fulfill, "My main objective is to have him be a one term president" and "I hope he fails!" regardless of the damage done to our country. That Republican mantra "Country First" has turned to "Kiss my arse!"
Voters will remember how the radical right has damaged the credibilty of the GOP come this November.
No so fast on your points, Casler. It makes no difference whether or not one is proud of what they do for a living. It matters if the people in need who come to a business are treated fairly, honestly and expeditiously in those same needs. For those business owners who have clean backyards and no legitimate consumer complains, I applaud them.
However, here in Vegas there are way too many companies and firms that take advantage of the poor and people in great need. Their situations go from bad to worse with really few remedies available to them. This infuriates me. Many of these "fly by night" operations that advertise bankruptcies, foreclosures, divorce services are scams. Whether or not yours is one, in my eyes, and my opinion, is yet to be clearly seen. But, make no mistake about it, I am suspect of every one of these businesses in Las Vegas.
In response to Future August 5, 2012 @ 9:56 a.m.
Future, it is not my responsibility to validate and cite sources for your comments. That would not only be out of line, but totally inappropriate. As the writer, that is your responsibility; not mine.
I don't want to do this with you every day, I really don't, but I will; unless you provide a legitimate citation. Let us know:
1) Are your comments your opinion?; or
2) Are your comments based on fact? Fact-based comments require a citation. Enough said about this. Please provide legitimate sources for the comments that you post as factual.
I just changed my closing comments when I noticed the "Get the picture" comment. Do not go there with me! I have NEVER been disrespectful with you. If you can show me when when I have; then I will apologize. So please do not be disrespectful with me.
Bradley, August 5, 2012 4:49 a.m.
Don't take this discussion room talk too seriously. It's just politics. For those of us who have faced real "life and death situations", these discussion rooms are just fun. It's a chess match of strategies that are each personally designed to win a debate.
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You are exactly right! I have had several discussions with my better half on this in the last couple of weeks.
I think someone made a comment that you should not say anything in this discussion room that you would not share with your children and grandchildren.
Gotta go.
Have a nice day Bradley :)
TEA - ""Compromise" is what got this country into this mess."
What a load of nonsensical crap! When the GOP controlled the White House and Congress they had little trouble pushing their agenda through that added to the mess we now face. This economy didn't happen over night or with the election of Obama, it started long before that. It's time to pull your head out of that dark place and join the rest of us in reality, Bizarro World is hazardous to your mental health.
Mark and Vernos,
If I had to bet today, my bet is that President Obama is re-elected, R's keep the House and D's keep the Senate. And worst of all is that America will keep spending money we don't raise in taxes.
Mark... I agree that Liberals will spend, but so do Conservatives, just on different priorities. The problem we have today is that both parties want to spend to stay in power and Don't want to tax everyone to pay for the spending. You can argue which is worse, but both will lead to financial ruin if allowed to continue. You have to admit, Bush and the R's ran up big debts when they should not have.
Vernos... yes the R's want Obama out and want power back but D's wanted Bush out and their power back too. Both parties obstruct but that not the biggest problem we have. To be honest, when Bush and R's were spending and not raising taxes to cover that expense, D's should have obstructed. When Obama and D's spend and don't cover the expense with higher taxes on everyone that bring in enough revenue to cover the expense, I want R's to obstruct.
We need to demand that D's compromise on cutting spending and R's compromise on additional taxes on everyone.
Michael
Bradley,
I understand your skepticism, for Las Vegas businesses and frankly businesses everywhere. I've been told by successful business people that I'll never be real successful because I am too honest and give away too much information. I know they are right, but I just can't do business by ripping people off and look myself in the mirror, so I will be what I am. There are fly by night businesses here but I've been here 11 years, doing the same thing. Don't believe me? OK, I have to live with that.
Have a nice Sunday and keep contributing...
Michael
wtplv - "Vernos... yes the R's want Obama out and want power back but D's wanted Bush out and their power back too."
Michael,
How many filibusters did the Dems use to stall Bush policies? That question puts to rest the arguement that Dems treated Repubs as unfairly as being treated now. It is also true under the Clinton administration Repubs froze the government, closed down operations costing billions of dollars. You aren't being fair trying to distribute equal blame.
I truly believe that the Tea Party will be the demise of the GOP because they've chased the moderates from the party. In other words, the loonies have taken control of the asylum.
Michael,"War is commonly defined as victory at all costs and no compromise.Governing should be defined as the art of compromise".
We haven't won a war since world war two,the last couple of wars we just picked up and left.
We are currently in a war with each other Democrats against the Republicans.Once the presidential election is over, who ever wins the losing side will just pick up and leave,until the next war,(with each other).
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Regarding bankruptcy: It's a right. (We don't have debtor prisons....) And as long as we keep encouraging those who can't or won't pay their bills to use credit, excessive credit, we're going to collectively pay for their bankruptcies, receiverships, judgements.... Few people have the stamina to ALWAYS pay their bills when it means going without, perhaps going without a house, a car, new clothes..... Therefore, of those who usually pay their bills, many get in over their heads. And WE LET THEM. Credit worthiness needs to be realistic.
Future: August 5, 2012 @ 3:10 p.m. stated:
LOL AT KEPI -KEPI SAYS it is not my responsibility [ to read the newspiapers] ..... That would not only be out of line, but totally inappropriate....I don't want to do this with you every day, I really don't, but I will; unless you provide a legitimate citation. Let us know:
Clearly Kepi is incapable of reading the Newspaper. And Kepi you are not obliged to do anything with me everyday
The unemployment rate is 8.3 and you don't know it because you refuse to read a newspaper or go to the BLS
Every body knows that everything you say is Opinion so we understand you
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This is exactly what I said at 10:44 a.m.
"Future, it is not my responsibility to validate and cite sources for your comments. That would not only be out of line, but totally inappropriate. As the writer, that is your responsibility; not mine." You spun my comments like a top. Do you know what a top is?
Additionally, I do not need to go to the BLS website to validate the information that you post; as I have stated time and time again:
1) If you state a fact, please cite a source;
2) If you state your opinion, a source is NOT required.
This is so easy, why are you making it so difficult? All I ask is that you cite your source; easy stuff; not hard; I promise.
I receive daily email messages from BLS, BEA, GAO, and CBO just to name a few. You are barking up the wrong tree.
So, let me repeat myself. I will not site your sources for you; that is your job; not mine.
I do not understand why you think it is okay to misrepresent my name and make belittling comments and personal attacks toward me. As mentioned previously, I have never done that to you, I have only asked you to cite your source.
Since I have lots of time on my hands; every day until November, I will ask you the same question.
WOW EVERYBODY; that is a whole lot of people.
EVERYBODY REALLY. Too bad, don't care.
See ya tomorrow.
In reply to "Kepi"; As an Independent, it wasn't too long ago when I supported a fair amount of political issues supported by the Republican base. However, this was not because I liked or even supported Republican ideologies: Here are some examples:
PART ONE
In Opposition To The Affordable Health Care Act -- I still don't believe the government should be involved in the business of healthcare. However, I understand the passage of this bill into law. Why? Most Republican business owners do not provide their employees with healthcare benefits. Or, they do not provide any type of proper healthcare coverage. I've been through this in past years and more than I care to write about in this forum. Case-in-point; Even though I am covered by a group medical plan that is "free market "based; in order for my premiums to be lowered I must comply with Republican based rules on how I live my life. It is riddled with disgraceful acts of intrusion into my privacy to ensure I remain in compliance with their rules. I will not live that way. Bottom-line is I'll pay the higher premiums because I will not submit to Republican tactics of, "You will live, my way, or else." So, for me personally, I understand why the Affordable Healthcare Act was passed.
In Opposition To the Existence of Social Security - I do not believe the government should be providing support in a person's retirement years. I believe it is every person's responsibility to plan their superannuation's. However, with the extreme corruption of Republican's on Wall Street, and associated besmirched financial and corporate businesses, a person who responsibly saves and invests stands the probability of losing everything and winding up on the streets during their golden years. So, I understand the government program of Social Security. The downside is there is no question Republicans has raided Social Security to support unnecessary wars and tax breaks for millionaires. People pay into Social Security their whole working lives, and now Republicans want to end Social Security and the entitlements that these same people have earned. What a quandary innocent Americans face!!!
PART TWO
In Opposition to the Existence of Medicare -- Again, I do not believe the government should be involved in providing and or paying for a senior's medical care. Why? It's simple; there is thirty billion dollars a year of Medicare fraud committed against the government. Most of this horrendous amount of deception is committed by Republican based private practice physicians. In specific, the overbilling of time, services performed, medical products, and prescriptions issued that are documented by these same physicians fraudulently for payment to the government. People have paid into government in the form of taxes for many years to be assured that each will have appropriate medical care in their most vulnerable years. What do the Republicans do? Condemn those seniors who have earned these entitlements and attempt to strip them of this medical care.
In Opposition To Public Employee Unions -- Yes, I am in firm resistance to government employee unions. Firefighters, police and corrections officers outright stealing tax payer monies to support huge salaries, while at the same time abusing sick leave privileges that cost taxpayers millions in additional funds. Secondly, police officers, such as Metro committing heinous and felonious acts of both deadly and excessive use of force on its citizens. Meanwhile their unions protect these criminals with badges, with a blanket of defense from being held accountable for their actions. However, at the same time, I do strongly support private sector unions, simply because, Republican based businesses are not responsible in providing their employees with an adequate wage and benefits on their own. This means, these employers must be forced, by the presence of employee unions to pay their people a wage that is equal to their assigned position, and commensurate to inflation / and or the cost of living.
To Michael Casler; the list goes on and in relation to Republican economic atrocities committed against the American people and our government. So, you go ahead Casler, and attempt to convince the Las Vegas Sun reader base that you, sacrifice to help the poor in your occupation, while at the same time, you endorse Republican ideologies. As a famous Judge has been quoted as saying, "If it doesn't make sense, it is more than likely not true." This in essence, gives me reasonable cause to suspect anyone who endorses Republican ideologies.
Future,
Oops, I forgot a couple of the most important sites that send me daily email messages, which I absolutely love.
Gosh darn it; they are my all time favorite websites, too. I would recommend that all readers take a moment and check out these sites:
www.hhs.gov ~ Look at the NEWS
www.healthcare.gov
I have a pretty sizable database :)
Still stuck on the EVERYBODY part.
EVERYBODY REALLY BOY THAT IS A LOT OF PEOPLE. EVERYBODY???????????????????????WOW EVERYBODY HUH???
With pleasure again, in reply to "Kepi". Relax, go out into your garden and forget these radical Republicans. While you are in your garden, should you come across a rotted piece of fruit, place it in the trash in keeping your garden pure. This is the same practice we should keep in dealing with Republicans in working towards eliminating the Republican infestations of our garden. And, this garden is called, the United States of America.
Bradley,
What did I post that you are you replying to? I agree with you.
It wasn't that long ago for me either. As you know, I am not a Democrat and was raised in a Republican household. My family what is left of them are all Republicans. In fact, in 2008 I liked a Republican candidate, but I voted the entire D ticket in 2008. That was a first for me. I will vote the entire D ticket in 2012. I understand Republicans, I do not understand the TEAbagger Party, who really scares me.
Bradley,
You have a good memory! I love my garden. Nice post 6:40 p.m. You have been at it all day; keep up the good work.
I was confused about your 6:05 p.m. post to me. That wasn't something I said was it? Because I agreed with you and posted how much I enjoyed and agreed with your comments.
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In reply to "Kepi"; as well, the family I grew up with are all Republicans, and I'm sure nowadays, "Teabaggers". Long ago I have disowned them and vice versa. I know what they are really about. The analogy that I used of what to do with rotten fruit in the garden, I truly know what I'm talking about firsthand when it comes to radical and or extremist Republicans.
In reply to "Kepi"; I began my post at 6:06PM letting you know that although it appeared my opposition to the social programs listed were in support of Republicans; this was not the case. I understand why Democrats do what they do and this is because of Republican greed and the ultimate power over the American people, which is in fact, a conspiracy against America.
Bradley, Thank you so much!!! I understand.
Have a wonderful evening and thank you! I really do appreciate you and everything you do everyday. Thank you for your support as well.
Always remember that there are people who sincerely appreciate what you do day in and day out! They may not tell you, but please know that you are appreciated and respected.
In reply to "Kepi"; thank you young lady. You are certainly a class act and a truly dedicated and loyal American!!!
Mr. Casler:
WRT your comments on being too honest to be in business, I suggest you read, if you haven't and it sounds like you didn't, Jon M. Huntsman's book, "Winners Never Cheat." Recognize the name? He's a self-made billionaire, business man, and father of the unlikely GOP presidential candidate.
CarmineD
In my opinion: In lieu of spewing insulting, belittling, disparaging comments at someone because they do not agree with an opposing point of view simply reflects poor upbringing, lack of manners, lack of understanding of professional decorum and a lack of respect for anyone who does not agree with his/her opinion.
It is not surprising that more people choose not to engage in this type of venue because of the level of attacks that they may face from the tyrants who will in unison go into attack mode in an effort to break you down.
I find it interesting that many people who cannot articulate themselves in a professional and respectful manner resort to insulting remarks; instead of engaging in a civil and respectful debate regarding opposing views. To me, it shows a lack of knowledge on how to debate an issue, lack of negotiation skills, and most importantly a lack of knowledge on how to persuade. So you are wasting your time if in fact your goal is to persuade.
I prefer to express my appreciation to those who fight for what they believe in a professional, civil and respectful manner. I have watched and elected not to participate in the daylong marathons because I do not like the mannerisms from some that one must tolerate during the marathons.
So, if I choose to take up the entire space to thank someone that is what I will do. We all have the same rights in this discussion room.
*****These are my opinions and I am sticking to them*****
By Kepi,Well said, and you are a fine person.Most of us do appreciate what you write and say.Have a good day.
Kepi says she always wants links in our posts so as to see for herself the factuals.
Well my question to Kepi who states she will be voting all Democrat this November is what do you think of Reids announcement in the Senate that Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years. Funny how Dems will hold us to these standards and facts when the very people she votes for are, in this case it seems, to be liars. Hypocritical?
kepi: Do those who insult think they're convincing anyone with their wit and wisdom? Or maybe they're just doing something macho and condescending to even speak to us?
Sam,
Thank you very much for your kind words.
Have a wonderful evening!
Roslenda,
I do not know. I cannot answer your questions. As I recall, you are very respectful in your comments regarding others and in your debate(s).
In fact, I agree with many of your positions. I do not read everyone's comments, but I do read yours. Without going back and reading your comments right now, it is my opinion, they are respectful and invite a positive debate.
What do you think about those who insult? Do you think they are convincing anyone with their wit? Do you think they are just doing something macho and condescending?
Can you win with insults? Or do you just give in or go away? We are all in this together and we will all be affected by the outcome.
Personally, I don't like it and I will not respond to insults. I believe that I am respectful and shame on me for expecting someone to respond in kind.
I know that you understand my RFI relative to a citation and I will continue to request citations.
If you respond, while I am still on the computer, I would be happy to answer your questions. Roslenda, if not, have a wonderful evening.
Michael Casler......
After all of the mistakes you have made voting
for one heartless republican after another, do
the right thing this time.
Help our middle class and the poor.
VOTE FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA!
Greedy republicans have done enough damage to our
middle class and economy.
Enough is enough.
Teamster:
As I told you during thr Superbowl, Clint Eastwood endorsed Mitt Romney. It's half time and we're coming back.
CarmineD