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Letter to the editor:

Survival of the fittest is GOP ideal

In his April 10 letter to the editor, Craig Hutzler says, “I’m sorry, but if a person cannot afford good housing, medical care and enjoyable pastimes, then that person should just not have them.” That is an ingenious way of expressing Darwin’s survival of the fittest theory. (By the way, the religious Republicans won’t find the Darwinian theory in the Bible — only the opposite.)

I doubt that most Americans want our country to become a Third World-type country with a few fabulously rich people in control and everyone else starving and dying in the streets without health care.

As long as we are promoting our economic theories, let me provide a little sound bite: If some of the people cannot afford a place to live and health care, then none of the people (that includes the rich) should have them. I believe that would pass muster with the Bible, too.

Some Republicans are so determined to prevent freeloading by a few, who are always there, they want to shut off from the necessities of life to everybody else who cannot afford them — the vast majority of the needy — on the theory that these unfortunates are “just not trying hard enough.”

I am sure that if some Republicans had their way, the survival of the fittest rule would even apply to age and old people, who would be left to die in the streets even if they were unable to work.

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  1. The letter writer needs to join the real world!

  2. Letters like Daniel's and others by Conservatives calling all Liberals Communists just work to make it less likely that we will ever solve our problems. There are Conservatives that ascribe to 'survival of the fittest' and Liberals who would suscribe to the 'Communist Manafesto', but they are a tiny number in each group.

    The rest of us, no matter what our political persuasion, need to find a way to compromise and work together.


  3. Enjoyed the letter. To add validity to it, in the current warped political environment we're in right now, has anyone noticed that when a poll is conducted about how people feel on an issue, and that poll has an agreement of over 70 percent of the American people on a course of action, it is GUARANTEED the Tea/Republican Party will be against it? Not just once in awhile, but every single damn time?

    Two of the most glaring examples of this are taxing millionaires and making them pay their fair share just like everyone else and also jobs and infrastructure bills. BAM! They get voted down. And what gets me is the brain dead Tea/Republicans in power all exclaim in unison, "We're doing the will of the American people..." Huh? You gotta be kidding me!!!

    The tendency nowadays is that Tea/Republicans all around this planet are heartless, ruthless bastards. You ain't rich, you ain't horse fecal matter. That's the bottom line. And how dare you poor people gang up on us helpless rich people all the time? You need to pay more and more and more and most and most and most. So that we can enjoy life even more than you ever will.

    On top of that, all the constant attacks on Hispanics, women, you name it continue without let up.

    I make a prediction.

    On November 6, 2012, there will be a bloodbath. On all levels, we are going to see this "my way or the highway" mentality and the Tea/Republicans who try to sell it all ending up thrown out of office so far and so fast their keesters will bounce no less than three times on pavement all throughout this great country.

    Enough. Tea/Republicans simply don't understand the conservatism they have always been known to be proud of anymore. It's been replaced by a warped righty way of thinking that's beyond the pale for even them to get ahold of. To the rest of us, it's all malarkey and only agenda driven.

    Tea/Republicans simply don't know how to lead and govern anymore. They just want tyranny where they rule and dictate and tell us what they want and we ain't got no say in the matter, and damnit, how dare you argue with my warped conservative agenda, I'm right, you're wrong, listen to the rhetoric, but don't pay attention to the facts crap.

    It's getting old, folks. I'm doing my part and voting in President Obama for another four years. AND I'm giving President Obama the tools to get things done to fix America by voting in Democrats to get a majority in both the House and the Senate. To Heck with Heller and to Heller with Heck.

  4. I feel it's somewhat unfair to attribute survival of the fittest to ALL Republicans, but it seems to be a theme of the LOUDEST ones. We seem to now require a natural catastrophe such as a tornado, hurricane, or flood to spark the caring for our fellow humans that should characterize a nation that views itself as being Christian.

    It is no more American to succede than it is to care.

  5. It is when times are most tough, tragic, incomprehensible, that Americans lay down their swords and roll up their sleeves and take up their plows. Our country has its politics, but when a crisis happens, our people lay aside their personal politics and help one another. THAT has been proven over and over, time and time again!

    So when we talk about TRUE survival, one thing you can bet on: an American never turns his or her back upon a neighbor in distress. They insinctively help in whatever way they can. Just look at recent disasters within the last 15 years or so. America survives because while we rescue ourselves, we reach out in compassion to a fellow struggler.

    We are ALL in this together.

    Blessings and Peace,

  6. Post WWII our economy boomed. Poor people were able to move out from under poverty including some minority groups. Why was that? It was because the gov't. created jobs, union membership was high and the GI Bill made higher education available. Economically things rolled along fairly well until the 80's when the economy began to shift from manufacturing to banking and finance. Unions were busted, wages stagnated, and the elites grabbed most of the cash in ridiculous "golden parachute" contracts. As of now Citigroup shareholders are sueing over exorbitant salaries.

    It was six but now five banks--JPMorgan Chase (JPM), Bank of America (BAC), Citigroup (C), Wells Fargo (WFC), and Goldman Sachs (GS)--held more than $8.5 trillion in assets at the end of 2011, equal to 56 percent of the U.S. economy, according to the Federal Reserve. That's up from 43 percent five years earlier. We are ripe for another "too big too fail" bailout people and many of you don't seem to give a damn, as long as some senior, working class slob or hungry child pays "their fair share of taxes." The GOP/Tea Party is attempting to undo the progress this great nation accomplished over the last 40 years.

    The American Dream is being re-directed by those at the top to include only those of similar ranks. It's almost impossible to work your way out of the lower classes or poverty because funds to healthcare, education and food are being stripped away.

  7. "Personal accountability is a scary thing to liberals."

    Is that why the GOP is going to pick the ultimate flip flopper for a candidate, good ole Mr. Etch a Sketch?

  8. RefNV - "Imagine spending $867 billion on a stimulus in 2010 like Obama did and not see any gain in employment."

    You and others like you disregard the facts, as usual. As of late when Romney sat down with hand picked Republicans in Pennsylvania (now called cookie gate) they brought up the fact that the stimulus worked and they were willing to pay higher taxes to save education. Spin as much as you want but the facts are still the facts, unless of course if you represent Fox where distortion, innuendos and false rage are the norm.

    "The economy would have been in much worse shape without the 2009 stimulus -- which increased employment in the third quarter of this year by as many as 3.3 million full-time jobs, according to a report by the Congressional Budget Office."

  9. acejoker - "Since liberals cannot point to any success by the current administration all the have left is to try and denigrate the opposition."

    You too can continue lieing and ignore what success the president has had, but that will not change the facts. I've posted this before, have you tried reading it, or is that too much of an effort?

    By the way, there have been 25 straight months of economic growth, granted slow, but in the right direction. Many of the nay sayers still don't understand just how deep this recession was and it usually takes several years to work out of one.

    The above is a 100 year labor perspective. The participation rate is about the same as it has been for 60 years. Check....table 4....It is currently dipping a bit due to early retirement and disability retirements.
    In terms of the economy we put 15 trillion in GDP on the books last year and S&P put nearly 89 bucks in earnings on the books.
    If the economy were as bad as the GOP makes it out to be you couldn't have record GDP and near record earnings.
    Employment will drop when the 7 million man construction industry comes back. This has been a housing and construction driven collapse.

    When early retirements are factored in the labor participation rates have dropped one point in six years. WOW

  12. enough with the survival of the fittest crap. There are as many broke republicans looking for hand outs as broke democrats. There are about 50 million republicans and 50 million dems. There are 150 million getting assistance. People getting govt. assistance are the largest voting block in the country. The biggest MOOCHER state is Mississippi. Not exactly a bastion of liberalism.
    Everyone loves social welfare. People just don't want to pay for it.

    My mistake Mississippi has dropped to number 2.

  14. Ref...your BLS report doesn't even come close to matching other reports put by THEM. Nor does it match the CBS news report above. Every report I have seen show rates at about 64%.
    My 1032 post reflects 67% participation. My 1037 post reflects 63.9% participation.

    I learned something knew today!!!!How exciting. Read page 2. The BLS differentiates between Labor force participation rates and your employment-population ratio. I have no idea why but it accounts for the 5 point spread.

  16. Zippert...

    When I skim past those, which appear daily with the word "occupier" nearby, I laugh and think, 'more lies, damnable lies, and statistics.'

    But, since we're playing that game (AH-gain)...

    It's too bad 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' TeaNuts don't practice what they preach...

  17. Thanks for the explanation. I don't remember THAT number from my UCLA econ days in the 70s. Now, if you can provide me with a chart going back a few decades we can see if the current number is outside the normal range from a historical perspective. I haven't been able to find it prior to 1994.
    You can find civilian labor force participation data going back to 1950 easily. Not so much with the employment-population ratio.

  18. Historically, churches, extended family, neighbors and strangers provided NEEDED assistance. Survival of the fittest is a law of nature. Sure man can be more compassionate but we have no constitutional requirement to be as compassionate as each dependent or lazy or non-productive (for any reason) individual wants us to be.

  19. gmag39 - "It's too bad 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' TeaNuts don't practice what they preach..."

    How many of them sit in Congress collecting gov't. welfare checks for their family businesses? Damn hypocrites, to the max.

    Here is a man I don't always agree with, but at least he's honest:

    U.S. Senator Tom Coburn, M.D. (R-OK) today released a new oversight report, "Wastebook 2011" that highlights over $6.5 billion in examples of some of the most egregious ways your taxpayer dollars were wasted. This report details 100 of the countless unnecessary, duplicative and low-priority projects spread throughout the federal government.

    "Video games, robot dragons, Christmas trees, and magic museums. This is not a Christmas wish list, these are just some of the ways the federal government spent your tax dollars. Over the past 12 months, politicians argued, debated and lamented about how to reign in the federal government's out of control spending. All the while, Washington was on a shopping binge, spending money we do not have on things we do not absolutely need. Instead of cutting wasteful spending, nearly $2.5 billion was added each day in 2011 to our national debt, which now exceeds $15 trillion," Dr. Coburn said.

    "Congress cannot even agree on a plan to pay for the costs of extending jobless benefits to the millions of Americans who are still out of work. Yet, thousands of millionaires are receiving unemployment benefits and billions of dollars of improper payments of unemployment insurance are being made to individuals with jobs and others who do not qualify. And remember those infamous bridges to nowhere in Alaska that became symbols of government waste years ago? The bridges were never built, yet the federal government still spent more than a million dollars just this year to pay for staff to promote one of the bridges."

  20. Tea Party Hypocrisy? Some Lawmakers With Tea Party Ties Are on the Government Dole

    While the majority of American farmers receive no government money at all, at least 23 current members of congress or their families have received government money for their farms -- combining for more than $12 million since 1995 according to a new report from the Environmental Working Group.

  21. The guy from Crook County, IL is at it again. Savoring his bonanza of an extra 100 bucks a month to waste on such necessities as the IL Lottery, he wants you to pay for the luxuries he sees himself entitled to. Luckily, we still have some rights that have not be threatened by Osama Obama & his motley crew of Marxists and Socialists. Give the jerk another 4 years and we can kiss those goodbye, as well. That's why, come this November, we must throw the cretin out of the Oval Office. Vote Mitt!

  22. With a world population of about 7 billion humans on Earth, supply and demand would indicate that the value of any single human is not as much as it was when we went through the bottleneck with as few as 10,000 humans.

    I've come to the conclusion that intelligence, by itself, is an evolutionary dead end. What we need is an advance in wisdom. Though we have made astonishing strides in what we know, our civilizations today are essentially no different than those of 5,000 years ago. All we have truly accomplished is become the best killers on the planet, including killing our own species.

    Rational people can debate and argue an issue, and even come to agreement, but the overwhelming majority of the people lack the wisdom to act on the solutions arrived at.

  23. Enjoy the comments here, but there are things left unsaid and blatantly ignored.

    You can spout statistics out the ying yang, but it don't amount to a hill of beans.

    The truth overlooked is the simple fact that, all across the board, 72 percent of the American people want those people who earn over one million dollars to have their tax raised. And to have them pay per capita the same percentage rate that they pay for taxes.

    Right now, both Romney and Obama have been verified and down on record they both do not pay their fair share of taxes. At least compared to the average American. Don't matter what financial income they make. It is simply unfair and the American people are sick and tired of being victimized.

    Secondly, it seems statistics are thrown out there about this stuff by Tea/Republicans all throughout this planet, but they really don't seem to be looking at what is happening in America.

    As of today, in both Wisconsin and Ohio, the Tea/Republican controlled legislatures are CONTINUING an all out assault on womens' rights regarding Planned Parenthood defunding, making abortions by pill illegal, destroying equal pay for women and various other things.

    Let me tell you right here and now, you can fly statistics past me from here to kingdom come, but I guarandamntee you that you are totally making women mad.

    Women in this great nation comprise just about 52 percent of the votes (ages between 18-49).

    It is now a FACT they will crush you on November 6, 2012. They INTEND to take all of you out for taking away basic health care rights away from them.

    And I do not blame them. As a matter of fact, I encourage them.

    Tea/Republicans, I believe, are incredibly stupid. You simply do not make women mad. Why? Because they simply don't forget this stuff. You'll be ordering a pizza and they will bring up something that pee'd them off two years ago.

    You screwed up badly, Tea/Republicans. They are going medieval on you, serious jihad, you name it whatever you want, but we're talking total blotto disintegration. Not only now, but for at least a few generations.

    So, have your fun now, Tea/Republicans. And you better enjoy it while you can. Because the women of this great nation are going to shove all this stuff right up your keester on November 6, 2012.

  24. Americans may feel that taxes are too high but they are unwilling to give up Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare. As a matter of fact 10,000 to 20,000 people a day are signing up for those programs. The government is currently $53 trillion short of where it needs to be to cover those programs over the next few decades.

    How people feel about taxes is irrelevant. The demands that people place on government and the cost are the factors that should come into play when you determine taxation.

    Medicare and Medicaid are looking at close to $50 trillion in expenditures over the next 40 years. Try to pay for that with low taxes and deficits.

  25. half the families in the country are getting some kind of government assistance and these people cry that taxes are too high. They are the reason we have deficits to begin with.

  26. "Irrelevant".

    Definition: not applicable or pertinent; having no probative value.

    Example: Employment-Population Ratio.

    If the population consists of myself, my partner, and our child, and my partner and I are both employed, the employment-population ratio is 67%. If we have another child, the employment-population ratio is 50%. Clearly, the President's policies are not working.

  27. "If the President did in fact have any success it would be the centerpiece of his campaign. As it is all he has left is to attack the opposition and play class warfare. It sad that liberals point to silly web sites they are so desperate."

    Mr. Reid, you seem to be under the delusion that the President has actually started campaigning. We're not even to the appetizer course. All you've seen so far is the little plate of olives they put out while you wait for your table.

    I assure you that liberals won't have to point to silly web sites after the billion dollars of actual campaign spending happens.

    Iceland and Switzerland have the highest employment-population ratios. Rotten socialist bastards! Let's get em!

  29. Actually, Ace, Nevada is beginning to enjoy the results of national growth. We see increased meetings business and increasing tourism -- which is leading to slight hiring in our one (and now only) "industry".

  30. The GOPs ideal is Survival of those born with the most connections, the most advantages and inside connections. Inside connections are what determine success in the world of finance.

    This is short term success philosophy, attributed to thoughts taken from the bible of aristocrats. In short order, aristocratic domains are taken down because the dull, dense and incompetent offspring are given advantages that they are too stupid to understand, and suddenly, along comes Napoleon.

    Survival of the Fittest is NOT Darwin's theory. Correctly stately, Darwin himself said the Evolution is "Survival of the most adaptable". The wealthy rarely like to adapt and the post-short term result coincides with that of the Roman Empire. In it's last Century, the population of Rome the City had only two classifications: the wealthy and the non-nondescript who lived in Insulae.

    The GOP are so incredibly messed up that rationality and consistency completely evades them. They don't have a philosophy, only the noise that comes out of rambling minds thrashing about for victory while trying to scale a hill of manure.

  31. No matter how many times you post the same irrelevant statistic, it is still irrelevant.

    The last time this irrelevant statistic was lower than it is now was during the Almighty Ronald Reagan's first term. Still think it's relevant?

    I don't.

  32. Becker: Ever hear of Solyndra? "Crony capitalism" at its worst and provided by whom? Not a Republicrat, buddy! Osama Obama holds $32,000 a plate fund raisers. Who do you think attends those? The homeless? Wake up, Becker! Both sides play games with our tax dollars in order to curry favor with the "rich." "Money talks; BS walks," Becker!

  33. Such a shame when you can get a better lifestyle by not working, by staying home claiming pain or by having a few children--who then must suffer your poor logic for a lifetime. Nevada DOES NOTHING ABOUT BENEFIT FRAUD. Welfare fraud has been rampant for generations--numerous convictions in other states for mothers claiming ADC/now TANF while they were employed..... Fathers claiming tax exemptions when their kids are supported by various welfare un-entitlement programs. NEVADA DOES NOTHING. No verification of identity, no verification of citizenship. Sure nowadays a few computer programs cross check SSN's of those on assistance versus payrolls but is that the limit on creativity? Get real. Beneficiaries are defrauding us and stealing benefits. Clinton era said 2 year limit and then a 5 year lifetime limit but that only applies to TANF. We still give away everything else forever and ever to anyone who shows up as long as they claim to have young children.

  34. First___IF not everyone can afford a house then no one gets one????? We all are doomed to live the life choosen by the lowest common denominator???

    Second---There is a difference between helping someone and being FORCED to help someone. Most Amercians help others whenever they can. The liberals/progressives/statists think that we should be FORCED to help others to the extent that THEY think the need exists.
    Many of us make bad decisions but why in God's name should someone else be FORCED to cover our losses?? Asking for help from friends and demanding help from complete strangers are worlds apart!
    Why is the need of someone a legal demand on the lives of others????

    What is my fair share of what you have earned and accomplished in your life????

    Third---Those with the most generally help the most IF they happen to be Republican. Do you ever wonder WHY there are so many RICH DEMOCRATS???? Why are the Clintons and Kerry so rich? Why have they not given it away to the poor?? Elizabeth Warren of TAX THE RICH fame refused to pay higher taxes as allowed by MA tax law, why? Because she likes to be rich and wants to be as rich as she can!!!! But she wants you to pay more!!!

    AS Lincoln is supposed to have said:
    You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
    You cannot strengthen the wek by weakening the strong.
    You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
    You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
    You cannot build character adn courage by taking away man's independence.
    You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
    You cannot lift the wage earner by tearing down the wage payer.
    You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they will not do for themselves.
    The weak NEED the stong. The strong do not need the weak! So before you do away with the strong/the intelligent/the worker who strives, for the crime of having too much, think 'what will you do without them to keep you afloat'!!!???