Sunday, March 6, 2011 | 2 a.m.
Sun archives
- Firefighters' quest for a new perk was short-lived (3-4-2011)
- Under scrutiny, firefighter sick leave falls (2-27-2011)
- County considers seeking reimbursement over firefighter sick leave abuse (2-15-2011)
- County OKs contract with firefighters that saves $7.4 million (2-1-2010)
- Arbitrator backs county over firefighters’ union in contract negotiations (1-19-2011)
- County firefighters union preaches frugality, to others (11-2-2010)
- Sisolak offers proof of firefighters ‘gaming’ sick leave system (9-11-2010)
- County, firefighters’ union spar over contract negotiations (8-3-2010)
- Is a wave of county firefighter retirements on the horizon? (6-25-2010)
- Rory Reid says firefighters union resorting to ‘scare tactic’ with ad (6-15-2010)
- County considers plan to privatize airport firefighting force (6-11-2010)
- New plan to curtail Clark County firefighter overtime (6-5-2010)
- Staffing shuffle would cut county Fire Department overtime (5-20-2010)
- Las Vegas, Clark County collaborate to limit firefighter overtime (4-27-2010)
- Fire union resists move to increase its ranks, reduce overtime costs (4-16-2010)
- Has fire union support become a campaign curse? (4-15-2010)
During the public comment portion of last week’s Clark County Commission meeting, firefighter Eddie Beaman spoke. He said he wanted to explain that the sick leave he took in 2009, which county negotiators cited during contract negotiations as an example of how firefighters might be abusing the sick-leave system, was legitimate.
Without identifying the person, he said he took that time to care for family members, one of whom had cancer, and that his wife had shoulder surgery.
What were his exact words?
“I think that once that list” — of firefighters who used a month of sick leave in 2009 — “was put out there by the county with the 231 people that was put on it. I mean, it kind of put a little shadow on some of the people ... out there such as myself ... I had never had any overuse of sick leave up until ’09. I think that this has got to come out, because I had never really wanted to say anything about my family or anything that happens to me, I think that’s personal with my own life ... I think that the way that the news media is portraying me as being one of these guys who uses excessive sick leave has got to be explained. In ’09, my wife, she had shoulder surgery. Along with that, we had a member of our family who was diagnosed with cancer ... ”
Sounds like a good explanation. What’s the county say?
Last week, county management said they will wait until an investigation is complete before deciding who, if anyone, deserves to be punished for abusing the benefit. Earlier, the county had outlined possible punishment for proven abusers: forfeit of 144 hours of sick time and possible demotion or firing.
Is there a way to check Beaman’s story — that he never overused sick leave until 2009?
The Sun wrote about Beaman’s sick leave a few weeks ago. Beaman is not only a member of various firefighter union committees, he is the father of Ryan Beaman, the union’s president.
County Commissioner Steve Sisolak cited Eddie Beaman’s connections to the union and his 2009 sick-leave use to dismiss the union’s contention that it had little knowledge of sick-leave overuse.
As to the question of Eddie Beaman’s use of sick leave in previous years, here’s a breakdown:
2009: 427 hours, or 18 shifts (firefighters’ shifts are 24 hours).
2008: 205 hours, or 8.5 shifts.
2007: 275 hours, or 11.5 shifts.
2006: 355 hours, or 15 shifts.
Indeed, it looks as if Beaman never reached the 18 shifts that he took off in 2009. But he did take considerable sick leave.
Is 15 shifts overuse? Perhaps that’s in the eye of the sick-leave beholder.
Sisolak has scoffed at all the sick leave used by some firefighters. Even though they call in sick often, they manage to collect a ton of overtime, he notes. Additionally, sick leave isn’t their only time off. Union members get time off for union duties. Then there’s vacation time.
In 2009, Beaman’s total time off reached 1,047 hours, or 36 percent of his total work time. That included 212 hours for union duties.
So how do Beaman’s year-to-year overtime and callback earnings stack up? (Callback is overtime plus contributions to pension funds; by contract, firefighters earn callback if they are called in to work within 12 hours of their previous shift.)
Steve Sisolak
In 2009, Eddie Beaman earned $67,383 in callback and overtime; in 2008, he earned $61,428; in 2007, he earned $61,377; and in 2006, $65,422.
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Rumors are circulating in the Clark County Government Center about Sisolak possibly making a run for U.S. Senate in 2012.
Any truth to it?
Sisolak, a Democrat, admitted he has been asked by more than one person to run for embattled Republican Sen. John Ensign’s seat. He added, however, that he is “happy being a county commissioner.”
“I’m flattered people are asking,” he also said. “But I like what I’m doing right now.”







steve sisolak is...
THE FRICKIN MAN!!!
hey stevie...
one favor buddy...
and as i have stated many times before...
i am ready, willing and able to enlist in your army el capitan...
but one favor pal...
please don't leave until you clean up this mess...
other commissioners are still way too soft...
only larry brown has shown promise...
tom collins is a clown...
chris giunchliani is a clown...
and those clowns helped cause this...
http://transparentnevada.com/salaries/20...
but like i said...
steve sisolak is...
THE FRICKIN MAN!!!
oh geeeeze, my wife had surgery so that is why I stole $10,000. that month, booo hooo
this screams lies, theft and time for PRISON
The Fire Fighters who obviously abused the sick leave policy and the Fire Union who are supporting the abusers have lost the confidence of Clark Country communities and hard working tax payers.
The Fire Fighters who have abused the system are engaging in a conspiratorial denial and now have fashioned well crafted stories to divert attention from their actions that could lead to criminal charges after the investigation by outside authorities.
His wife had surgery and another family members had cancer . So when was he sick ? Sick leave is for when he is sick . 60,000 average that he made ever year for not working . It is time to put a cap on government employee salaries .
I say we should disband the fire department and go back to a volunteer force. How hard can it be to aim the hose at the flame? They whole lot of them are thugs. You will never see me putting spare change in a fireman's boot at the intersection again. They probably stole that too.
This man is definitely entitled to take time off work to care for sick family members but you must complete the FMLA paperwork and obviously it wasn't done in his case. Whats his excuse for the abuses for 06, 07, and 08? Im sorry but to earn over $60K in overtime when you are taking over 200 hours of sick time is abuse. Period. I respect firemen for their service but this is obviously out of hand.
Likely that he needed to "game" the system to pump up his highest 2-3 years salary so he can "pump" his retirement up. The taxpayer will get put on the hook for the rest of his life. Sweet!
of course they're defending it, isn't that a given? but their defense holds water about as well as lake mead.
vc... Who's to say he didn't use FMLA there is a lot of people on this list that had approved FMLA. That's why this investigation is going slowly. If I were one of those people I'd be looking at my legal options for publicly being branded a sick leave abuser. Even Jane Ann Morrison said the Department is only looking at 15-20 people. Also for as big a story as this has been, FD overtime only constitutes 6/10th of 1% of the entire county budget. I'm not defending any abuser so please don't take it that way.
The firefighter union is just like any other union, worthless.
Just like life the system was designed to help worker with protections now there are no protections for the taxpayers who pay into the system. They've sucked us dry.
I for one am not sure which is worse, liberals or the unions, American workers who pay into the system has been sucked us dry. This just doesn't stop with this topic, every politician who works for us has sucked us dry. Career public servants who are worth millions should speak for itself, the salaries made doesn't equate to their net worth, the money came from somewhere and it was sucked out of us by a system we allowed. Harry Reid, Charlie Wrangle, etc"etc"etc" the list goes on and on"
Go back in history and see what has occurred, public servants are no longer public servants, they are judge, juror, and executioners living well beyond what the working class Americans strive to make. Go into any public office and watch the minions, they're lazy people who whine and complain and pass the buck off to somebody else. They won't make a decision and they look at you like a deer in headlights and we pay for this level of service and we pay a lot. One lazy one, they don't fire, they hire another to help the lazy one catch up, they're both lazy, and they hire two more and so on and so on. The vicious cycle enabled by us the taxpayer that the unions supply. Lazy pathetic people making too much money and we allow them to get away with it. We're done.
To put simply, public servants have no accountability and can't think outside the policy book. If the rule book doesn't tell them what to do, they're dazed and confused. Now comes the rule makers, they're just as stupid, they sit and vote on policy and rules with only one thing on their mind, how can they personally benefit from the rules they create and how much money will they make once they're voted out of office or retire from the system.
Unions and public servants are both equally responsible for creating a human cesspool running our public servant system and you all complain and now you all wonder why we're broke. Goes to show how stupid most are today.
I would beleive that he was taking care of a sick family member if he didn;t have all that overtime.
How can you say that you NEED all of this sick time and then have time to work the OVERTIME.
FF are great at gaming the system and covering their tracks. They have been doing this for years.
BTW, it's not just the County that is bad. We need an audit of NLV, HEN, and the City. NOW!
I'll ask again, how many of our elected officials have known about the sick day abuses and overtime abuses and haven't done anything about it?
Our elected officials that have had knowledge about these abuses and have not corrected them seem to have been aparty to what was going on.
I believe every politician that has been aparty to the abuses that the firemen have been gaming, they should have their day in court also.
Thanks Joe for keeping the heat on these taxpayer thieves! I can't wait for the FBI and Nevada AG to start prosecuting them. A little jail time with OJ is too good for what they have done to Clark County taxpayers!
Give me a break. These so called public servants have abused the overtime system big time. They got caught and are now are resentful that this fraud on the taxpayers may cause their retirement funds to be reduced. I suggest that we replace most of them with a private company.
How would you like to live next door to this scumbag?
Joe, I asked you the other day and you still have not responded. As a Las Vegas Sun (National Enquirer) reporter and gossip columnist... WHY do you have an office in the County building when you are a reporter for a privately owned media outlet? Why are taxpayers covering the bill for your office and it's associated use/cost? How much time do you spend in that office? It seems you placed your typewriter under Sisolak's dest where your spending most of your time. Were you absent the day they taught ethics in the media? To report an unbiased opinion or facts? Your in bed with your boyfriend Sisolak and it shows with every "breaking news" story about firefighters. Both you and Sissy irresponsibly manipulate information to sway public opinion. It will be a treat to see that no charges are filed and in fact NO LAWS were broken.
To BornandRaised
I've explained this many many times. Governments provide space to journalists in government buildings, because newspapers have long been recognized as members of the "Fourth Estate," whose work often conflicts with government officials in charge and their employees. I have no idea if you are a firefighter, because you are writing under the cloak of anonymity. But your post and obvious defense of firefighters and their taxpayer-funded salaries and perks is the perfect example of that potential conflict. But if you check in the city building, in the statehouse in Carson City, in the court building--if you check in government buildings in Washington, D.C., in California, in any state across the country, you find office space provided for reporters. The minuscule expense of providing of space to provide a modicum of assurance that someone is watching the government on behalf of the public hearkens back to the founders' belief that the Fourth Estate was an invaluable cog, a tool to be used to help keep government honest. If no laws were broken, if no charges are filed, we will also report that story.
To gaskin- In NLV the ff were taking money from the burn foundation. The thieves are not just limited to county fd, its all fd in southern nevada. By the way nothing happened to the thieves.
Does this clown beaman expect us to take him seriously? He had to use a months worth of sick time yet was able to find the time to work all those OT shifts??
Its time the taxpayers demand some accountability!
The sick leave abuse is just one aspect....their entire contract needs to be fixed.
Put them on 8 hour shifts and straight salary.
There is no reason any of these guys should be making six figures.
What, do we expect to have sick leave abusers come-out and say, "Yep, I did it...I abused sick time in a tantrum of protest"? Uh, I don't think we'll ever hear that.
Joe, who do you think you're kidding? In order for you (as the Press) to have true and genuine independence. You would need to report without serving the agenda of politicians like Sisolak. You do NOT report in a manner consistent with the independence that you reference. Instead you behave like Sisolak's lapdog. A true "Fourth Estate" would be great, but you are not it. Facts are facts, but you slant every story with your biased BS.
If during my career in the Marines I had tried to take time off claiming sick days when I wasn't seriously ill, I would have kissed my career goodbye. Sick time is for real illness, not for use as a personal convenience. That's what vacation is for and when you run out of vacation you take time off without pay.
You don't schedule your time off so that you make overtime pay.
In light of his track record of abusing sick time every year, I don't believe his excuses. I do believe he is just another scammer milking the tax payer for freebees and bennies. They need to cut this guy and others like him off at the knees. Cull the ranks and get rid of the scammers and slackers.
unsilent, there is a reason. It's the same reason that we've been telling you for years... The FD is understaffed. Understaffed = Overtime. FF salaries will drop into 5 figures when the County hires more bodies.
The scrutiny of the FD has been going on in the media for a couple years now. In that entire time do you know how many new FFs have been hired? NONE. There have been many retirements in the same time frame, but not one new FF in the last couple of years.
Unions set the bar for fair treatment of ALL workers in the country. Those who claim otherwise or state that they are "useless" clearly have no sense of history.
Cloak of anonymity... Your absolutely right. Just like the vast 95 % of the firefighter bashers who troll the media blogs and write anti-firefighter comments and rhetoric . The same trolls who use several different pen names and emails to make it appear that there are hundreds of people who hate firefighters. Guaranteed on this story alone, out of the 25 or so people who commented, there is only 5 to 7 people tops. They flood the blogs, copy, and paste the same old stuff. Firefrauder, union thugs, worthless firefighters, the list goes on. Its easy on these websites to be dishonest and create a negative perception. The Las Vegas Sun cant even keep it's own "journalist" to write anything honest and of value so how can they control the blogs.
Thanks for answering my question regarding your office. I however like how you wrote, The minuscule expense of providing of space to provide a modicum of assurance that someone is watching the government on behalf of the public...." Exactly how much is "minuscule" to you? If your duty as a "journalist" is "to watch the government ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC..." then why have you never reported to the PUBLIC about the 23.5 million dollars that your boyfriend Sisolak sued for and won. Pocketed 23.5 million dollars of the taxpayer's money and hundreds of thousands of dollars spend for the county to defend themselves? Why have you never buddied up with any of the other commissioners? It's only Sisolak you answer to. Your his little
bi--hboy puppet. All Sissy has to do is roll over in bed and say, "Hey Joe, want to do me a favor? Not that (yet) Joe! Get your head back up here. Want to be a good little boy and write me a story?"
Joe, you got the good ol' firefighters upset with you! Don't you dare insinuate that they are anything but as honest as good ol' Abe Lincoln! Oh My! To be continued!
Joe, I'm sure you will report the story if no firefighters are charged. But it will pain you to do so. At this point you have so much skin invested the other way thers's no way you can appear objective. As a member of the "Fourth Estate" that is sad. We'll be waiting for those dozens of stories. But not holding our breath.
Joe Schoenmann, how long have you know that this abuse has been going on? How come you didn't report this any sooner? Is Sissylak going to use this as campaign propaganda? If any FF gets prosecuted so should all the politicians and reporters for aiding and abetting.
my buddy, a fireman, used to tell me all the scams
the fire dept. pulls.
talk about making big money for nothing.
what a laugh!
2dollars, I'll bet he's not a buddy anymore...
Better make that 6-8 people rather than 5-7. I haven't commented on this, and I'm in agreement with those who want 'firefighters' to lose their jobs and be sent to prison for cheating...cheating that has been going on for years.
Seems that the firefighter buddies keeping telling each other that its ony a few people who realized their scheme.
Well, you may want to take a straw poll. Everyone knows about your little firefighter cartel.
WOW! did anyone watch the Clark County Commission meting? I thought the truth came out, when they said they might have 18 firefighters who abused their sick time. Why do keep reading about the 231 who took off a month. What does the 231 firefighters who took a month off have to do with the potential 18 sick time abusers?
Do you really think we want guys abusing sick leave to make more money on their retirement. That retirement is my future. If I have firefighters abusing sick time to boost up their retirement, that takes away from PERS, which is my future retirement. If everyone abuses it, there will be no money left for me to retire. I am upset this has been allowed to go on. Who is in charge of making sure Clark County, City, State Employees don't abuse the system? I don't care if it's a firefighter, teacher, janitor, or cook. No one should be allowed to abuse their sick time to boost up their retirement. I hope everyone under PERS has someone making sure people are not abusing the system!
Maybe the County can hire an individual to monitor sick time abusers, or do they already have one. Did someone drop the ball?
Teamster, where are you to defend this group of dues paying members? Surely you have some comical if not cynical response to all those questioning this upstanding group of union members.
Tell me again how unions made this country - then explain how they are screwing the taxpayers with no remorse...
This is chump change when you look at he big picture.
Question: Which of the items on this list would you say are the two largest areas of spending by the federal government? "Defense and military spending, food stamps, foreign aid, Medicare, Social Security
Defense and military spending 73
Food stamps 10
Foreign aid 49
Medicare 20
Social Security 26
Don't know 2
Im tired of my tax dollars being given to other Countries! I hope everyone is speaking out on that issue as well is this one.
The number is 231 in CC alone. That's why sick leave use has plummeted 60%+ since the ruse was uncovered.
@bornandraised
You are an uneducated idiot and I truly can see you were "born and raised" here. You are a good example of why we need more education in the valley.
William - William - William, back in the days that was the case. Today the unions are worthless and produce workers who are pathetic mindless liberal trolls that have no sense of pride or workmanship. Sure they show up to work, they just don't know how to work or what they're supposed to accomplish...
I speak from years of experience and I fire them daily. I've been told I need to go to sensitivity class and I can't speak to them that way. I've been threatened and told everything in the book one could imagine, I still sign their checks and I fire them daily and do it with a smile. I actually enjoy it these days, it's a game for me and I just sit back and watch them cry or tear up as they go away. You see, I pay that person the agreed upon wage we've agreed to pay when we signed the union agreements, they're supposed to be a journeyman and that person is supposed to know how to work the trade they've chosen.
I agreed to their rule book, the rule book is clear. The rule book the unions wrote is the terms of the employment contract and the unions haven't lived up to their end of the deal. The unions have allowed enrolment of all types, from the dopers to the obvious stupidity and they expect me to pay them to show up for two hours just so I can weed through their list. Twenty years ago, this never would've occurred and the unions would've weeded them out for us. In today's unions, if they're under 45 years of age, they're usually mindless liberal minion trolls that cost you the taxpayer a crap load of money. We built this wasted direct cost into the cost estimates bid knowing what the unions have allowed to occur, they allow any tom, dick, or harry to pay their initiation fee and then suck the monthly dues from the worker and expect us hire their mindless trolls. WE do hire them; I just fire them quickly just as most others do as well. If you doubt it, call the local union halls and see how long their list are, if you still doubt it, go join any union which you have no knowledge in whatsoever, lie like most others do and tell them how good you are. Sit back you'd be surprised, you're a journeyman.
LasVeagas... yes they do have people to monitor sick time "abuse" and disciplinary problems. It's called the FIRE CHIEF and COUNTY MANAGER.
After what I wrote about Steve Sisolak, the self proclaimed hero of the taxpayers virtually robbing the Clark County citizens of 23.5 million dollars you all refuse to question the legitimacy of the case. You get pissed that a guy took 10,15, even 20 days of sick time over a year but refuse to ask the question... How can Sissylak criticize someone who used the system to pad their retirement when Sissy himself has taken MILLIONS OF DOLLARS from the same taxpayers (his constituents, he loves using that word) that he says he is protecting. No one here has asked that question and his boyfriend Joe refuses to report on it. County Commissioner Tom Collins asked the very same question on KNPR radio interview. When he asked Steve Sisolak to return the 23.5 million to the taxpayers you can very clearly hear Steve in the background snicker and chuckle. If 100 more employees loose their jobs, social services shuts down, or the community hospital shuts down do you think Superman Steve would don his red cape and give back ANY of that money? F-that! Steve has a million dollar home and a Telemarketing business to run. And Steve, I'm sure your Telemarketing business is a very ethical, moral, and fraudulent free one just like all the rest. That money is pure profit for him. Just in case you were wondering what the check looked like that was written to Superman Hero Steve...It looks like this
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Check payable to: Steve Sisolak
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Twenty three million, five hundred thousand dollars 00/10____$23,500,000
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For: Lawsuit______Singed: Citizens of Clark County, Nevada
THANK YOU RONSTER!!!
I don't know about the rest of you, but 400 hours for me is ten weeks of work. Trying to water it down by listing it as a number of shifts (when a shift is 24 hours) is nothing more than a sleight of hand. Barring major surgery, there is also no way anyone can justify planning large blocks of sick leave in advance - then tipping off his/her buddies so they can cash in on the overtime, hoping that person returns the favor.
There is no way to defend this. It's fraud, plain and simple.
http://www.knpr.org/son/archive/detail2....
Bornandraised
The County Manager and, or Chief allowed this to happened? Maybe that's why they County waited into the Chief retired, and former County manger resigned before coming out with this information. Maybe the new management is doing their job, and discovered the abuse. Is the former Chief, and County Manager also in trouble for allowing this to happen?
Above link is an interesting debate between sissylack and Collins. Collins raises some very good points. No answer from Sissylack on the last question? Hmm
buddy,
Who determines staffing requirements?
Also,if we went to straight salary of say 65k, with contributions to insurance and retirement, how many more people could be hired?
I am ok with the idea of not wanting to cut public safety, which is what all the biased polls say.
So if we got the personnel costs at reasonable levels, we could afford to hire more.
ronster hit the nail on the head in regards to bornandraised.
Firefighters caught caught red handed and now the excuses will fly. If a family member had cancer you don't schedule sick time and come back to work overtime, they don't get it. I worked public service for 32 years, maybe I took 5 days of sick time in 32 years. When you work an schedule such as firefighters do, you should never take sick time, you tough it out. I sorry but the firefighters and its union are death wrong, you do not take the taxpayers for a ride and expect to get a good pension. Sick time in public service counts toward retirement, so it makes no sense to abuse sick time. The biggest crime of the sick leave abuse is the fact that firefighters came back the next day or during he pay period to work overtime. Clark County should hire part-time firefighter to cover sick leave and vacation, that way full-time firefighter will never work overtime.
express,
Simple fix! Don't pay anyone OT in till their hours. I think you have lost you mind to think firefighters don't ever need to use sick time. You must be one of the reasons people think we are heros, and have no weaknesses. I have to inform you we are only human. You must also be retired with your 32 years of service. I am sure you are an "old timer" and your wife stayed home with the kids when they were sick. This is 2011 and most of our wives, or husbands work. Their are days I have called in sick to stay home with a sick child, and so has my wife.
I agree with you on one matter. If the 18 firefighters are found guilty of sick time abuse than punish them. I can see you are "old school" like my grandfather who took much pride in the fact he never called in sick one time in 34 years of service. He would have called you an abuser for your 5 days you took off. lol
What is going with so many former County Commissioners getting in trouble.
Did anyone watch Face to Face with Rory Reid defending himself from allegation of campaign finance violation? Im not saying he is guilty. I will wait in till someone is found guilty in the court of law, before accusing them.
lasvegas... no the last county manager retired cause she was sick of the BS and is now making double to do a quarter of the work. That is why she left. Its also funny to note that prior to her leaving she re-classified some of the upper management. In my view it was a way to say she cut a position but unknown to the common folk created another. It was well within her power to do so to save a friends job. Why would she also hire a new fire chief the split second before she left. RUMOR has it... Her days at the city she had a friend named David Washington. He was the fire chief of the Las Vegas fire department. Betral Washington (current Clark County Fire Chief) was a friend of David Washington. Said county manager counseled with her friend David about who to hire. Bert, a current county deputy chief, or an Oakland fire chief. Wouldnt you know that a week before she left Bert had a new job. Anyone... Anyone??? Bueller....? Talk about a good ol boy system. I believe that during the discussion and vote on whether to approve Bert was questioned by some commissioners as to why they are rushing so quickly to approve him to be the new fire chief. Furthermore, She stated there was a hiring freeze county wide. Why did she approve the promotion then of 3-5 new chiefs in the department along with re-classifications??? LETS BLAME THE UNION AND FIREFIGHTERS FOR THAT ONE TOO. Those EVIL thugs!!!
Hey! has the county started working on a new "Professional Firefighter" license plate yet?
It can say:
PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTER
CORRUPT, CRIMINAL, DISHONORABLE.
Man wouldn't that look great on those Escalades and Lexuses and $60k custom F350's??!!!
$60,000 a YEAR in overtime should be equal to about 6 YEARS of prison time. (for each of them)
The fact remains, if the economy was FLYING as it had before the BUST....this wouldn't be news at all. It would be business as usual. So what's different? NOTHING!! The lid is off the trash can and it smells.
The collective bargaining agreement guidelines for these county firefighters goes like this :
Pimp my paycheck....
Pimp my sick leave....
Pimp my overtime....
Pimp my pension....
Pimp my vacation hours....
The taxpayers continue to get pandered and porked on ... one thing is pimpin the pay but another thing is pandering while overpimpin the system.
Maybe this is what Harry Greed was referring to on his prostitution speech, NOT.
Cognastics,
Your crazy for thinking firefighters should go to prison for working OT, when sometimes they were even forced to! The County wanted to save money and have them work OT, vs hiring more of them. If the 18 are found guilty, then I agree, lets punish them.
Question
How did you come up with $60k =6 years in prison?
It cost almost $50k a year to house an inmate.
$50K x 6 years= $300K
You complainers need a life, no elected official for years called the FF for years on what was happening. Sissylak knew about this for years. Are they going to be charged for being aparty to what was happening?
lasvegas and born and raised
do you both work on the same shift or for the air force? what do they call that stuff that comes out the back of a fighter jet when trying to divert an in coming missile? oh yeah chaff, thats all you are doing, trying to divert the in coming missile. good luck on your mission to divert the truth.