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Wednesday, March 2, 2011 | 2:05 a.m.
Sun archives
- Sex club owner feels violated, says county wrong to deny license (5-25-2010)
- Lawsuit challenges county’s ordinance on sex clubs (4-6-2010)
- Swinging Vegas entrepreneur to get his day in court (9-3-2008)
- This swinger feels persecuted (8-21-2008)
- County shops for sin sites (3-22-2008)
Clark County has tightened its code regarding “sex clubs” after a District Court judge found last summer that the county’s existing ordinance was unconstitutionally vague.
The county commission, acting as the zoning board, approved an updated ordinance from the district attorney’s office earlier this month.
Clark County spokesman Dan Kulin said the new language would allow the district attorney’s office and Metro Police to more effectively prosecute cases against alleged sex clubs, which are illegal in Clark County.
The rephrased ordinance “will make it easier for businesses and law enforcement going forward,” he said.
The new ordinance eliminates unnecessary language and provides a more detailed definition for “live sex act,” among other terms — all at the suggestion of Clark County District Court Judge Kathleen Delaney, who in August decided the Clark County Code was “unconstitutionally vague.”
Delaney was ruling in a lawsuit between the county and Borchers Family Trust, the owners of the Red Rooster, 6405 Greyhound Lane. The county declared the operation a chronic public nuisance in December 2008, and its owners sued in response in January.
Mike and Chris Borcher have run the Red Rooster, a self-proclaimed swingers club where they throw “parties” with couples or singles looking for a sexual encounter with a stranger, out of their home since 1982, the club’s website said.
According to documents filed with the district court, Clark County had received anonymous complaints dating back to at least 2006 about the club and its activities, one of which said it was “particularly busy Friday and Saturday evenings” with 200 to 300 people attending the parties.
The Borchers alleged the county’s code left an open door for selective and inconsistent enforcement. Chris Borcher told the Sun she “wasn’t even aware” that the county was changing its code as a result of their lawsuit.
“They just can’t stand us. They have to change the law,” she said, adding that the Red Rooster has continued hosting parties. “They worry about one person having a party in their own house.”
Delaney found in favor of the Borchers, saying the Clark County Code failed to define “party,” “group,” “parlor for swingers,” “live consensual sexual activity” and a number of other terms in the county’s old ordinance regarding sex clubs.
The former wording “did not limit, much less define, the persons and/or activities that may fall under the definition of ‘Sex Club,’” she said in her ruling, “and opened the door for arbitrary or discriminatory enforcement.”
In response to Delaney’s ruling, the district attorney’s office drafted the new ordinance, Kulin said.
CORRECTION: This story was updated to reflect that Kathleen Delaney is a judge in Clark County District Court, not U.S. District Court. | (March 3, 2011)
Live and let live, do people complain about 200 people going to a church? nope, so why complain about people having consensual sex, after all how did we all arrive on earth? a stork maybe?
"Clark County spokesman Dan Kulin said the new language would allow the district attorney's office and Metro Police to more effectively prosecute cases against alleged sex clubs, which are illegal in Clark County."
Again and again -- what consenting adults do with each other, especially behind closed doors, is not a lawful government concern. It's just the police and DA crying for relevance.
"Public nuisance" is a different kind of thing -- if I were in the neighborhood of someone regularly hosting 200-300 partygoers, that's a lawful government concern. This article should have been more clear on that aspect.
"I heartily accept the motto, 'That government is best which governs least'; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically." -- Henry David Thoreau 1849 "On the Duty of Civil Disobedience"
Just keep taking all the Sin out of Sin City and see how many tourists keep coming here. People come here because they can do what they cannot do at home. As long as it is not harming others, let them do it. These are the people that enable us to have all your overpaid public servants when we only have a state population of 2.8 million. Make this "boring" town and see how many public servants only the residents can pay for. We need tourists, leave them ALONE!!!
Idiots.
"Just keep taking all the Sin out of Sin City..."
BrianJ -- some years ago Sir Ian McKellen (Magneto in X-Men and many other fine performances) was on Bill Maher's show. After a representative from the Moral Majority made her rant about sin in our society, he quietly made his point -- "Doesn't one have to be christian to sin?" The applause was deafening.
"The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion." -- Arthur C. Clarke, 1999, from "God, Science, and Delusion: A Chat With Arthur C. Clarke" in Free Inquiry magazine
Ban brothels, ban sex clubs, ban sexy dancing in night clubs, ban tolessness & micro-bikini's at pools, ban alcohol, ban gambling, ban butter and saturated fats, require women to wear head scarves in public. Come on, if we all pull together we can turn this into a fantastic Utah-meets-Orlando-meets-Dubai!
Kasidie -- actually Dubai is quite liberal. Women can even walk around with their faces and ankles nude.
". . .With morality the individual is led into being a function of the herd and to ascribing value to himself only as a function. . .Morality is the herd instinct in the individual." -- Frederich Nietzsche 1882 "The Gay Science"
Vegas will turn into Bradford England soon..
a point on the 'rooster is that they were there long before that area was sub-divided.there were no "neighbors" back-in-the-day.of course,these days,suburbia has reached them.
If this is taking place in a commecially zoned area then I could care less what goes on behind closed doors. If this is, however, a residential area, then there's room for concern. Most churches, if I recall, are not built next door to residential homes - or are they these days? In any case I would be upset simply by the amount of traffic the home is generating rather than what they're doing inside. It's not the kind of peaceful residential area I would aspire to live in. Why is it that people are now so selfish and greedy (and in this case lustful?) that they have no regard for their neighbors anymore?
Government over reaching. Thats what I think about this.
I guess I am unclear on why consensual sex behind closed doors is illegal now. The neighbors complained? Get real - the damn dogs in my neighborhood bark all night long, which is illegal according to noise ordinances and no one does anything about it when I complain. But I guess noisy dogs don't upset the religious nuts. How about the county focus more time and energy on more harmful problems here -- drug activity, robberies, burglaries, enforcing traffic laws, gang activity, muggings, shootings, etc?? Nope. Guess that's too hard - so let's prosecute people doing no harm. Ban everything - this is going too far.
"We are a nation that has a government -- not the other way around. And this makes us special among the nations of the Earth. Our government has no power except that granted it by the people. It is time to check and reverse the growth of government which shows signs of having grown beyond the consent of the governed." --Ronald Reagan
That's right...go after the pot people, the escorts, the swingers clubs, the brothels, the night clubs, the pool parties, the pole dancers, etc....Metro and the County are digging their own grave, who's going to come here that have money to spend? The tax base will go down the drain.
Remember the "family Vegas" flopped. Why spend $5 a gallon gas money to drive here fom California?
There are all kinds of sex clubs, brothels, and gambling the World over. What does Vegas have to offer? A puppet show? Gee, that will bring in the high rollers.
I feel so much better knowing that consenting adults cannot perform sexual acts in front of other consenting adults.
Wooo.. Thank you CC Commissioners, we really needed you to step up and take care of this CRITICAL need for us.
SaveLasVegas -- any chance of a link or source for that Reagan quote? It's a good one.
These sex clubs are not moral. They need to go.
"A man without morals is not a man at all" --George Washington
mred, didn't you hear? They're bringing out a Ferris Wheel as a backup to bring in extra money. It will be in the flight path of Las Vegas International Airport. What a hoot...
"These sex clubs are not moral. They need to go."
infinity44 -- why exactly? Then kindly explain whose "morals" should be enforced. Yours?
KillerB - Reagan said that on his first inaugural address, Jan 20, 1981. A historical speech the commission has obviously lost sight of.
SaveLasVegas -- thanx
More gutting of Las Vegas and the USA folks. They have the stores stocked full of GMO food, 25% of folks on food stamps and unemployment, the Community Peacemaker as Prez, and the teevee full of fell-good fictional news and reality dance shows, they got things covered.
Here in Vegas they are outlawing our heritage and bringing in Lollipops and Ferris Wheels.
You cannot make this stuff up.
The new ordinance eliminates unnecessary language and provides a more detailed definition for "live sex act," among other terms -- all at the suggestion of Clark County District Court Judge Kathleen Delaney, who in August decided the Clark County Code was "unconstitutionally vague."
Was Judge Kathleen Delany worried that they were doing dead people?
mred, didn't you hear? They're bringing out a Ferris Wheel as a backup to bring in extra money. It will be in the flight path of Las Vegas International Airport.
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Maybe the sex club could hold its meetings at the amusement park and use the new farris wheel. Instead of the mile high club, it could be the 500 foot club. Unless the new ordinance includes the 500 foot club.
What a strange story. What changes were made in the ordinance? A very murky tale if I've ever heard one. The reporter seems to have left out some details.
"KillerB - Reagan said that on his first inaugural address, Jan 20, 1981"
SaveLasVegas -- sourced with some other choice quotes @ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3638320/ns/u...
"When people tell me I became president on January 20, 1981, I feel I have to correct them. You don't become president of the United States. You are given temporary custody of an institution called the presidency, which belongs to our people." -- Address to the Republican national convention. Aug. 15, 1988
"Infinity44 -- why exactly? Then kindly explain whose "morals" should be enforced. Yours?"
The morals of common sense, of decency. And the morals of the conscience. This nation or I will never be the slave of the political correct. I will not allow pseudo intellectuals to europeanize America, nor will I hide behind quotes from people who clearly do not or will not understand just how exceptional our nation is.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
--Herbert Spencer
Why can't consenting adults be free to have fun behind closed doors? No one is forcing anyone to go inside. There are no laws being broken and no is getting hurt.
So can anyone tell me why there should there be a new law written, when there are so many other urgent matters that the government need to take care of?
Is there any expression in the bible that says "Live and Let Live"? Or maybe Let he who has no sin cast the first stone.
"The morals of common sense, of decency. And the morals of the conscience."
infinity44 -- thanx.
This tells me morality is entirely subjective, like what Nietzsche said. Your morality is not mine, nor may it control what I can and can't do, nor may any lawmaker lawfully erode my freedoms by turning your concept of "common decency" and "conscience" into any kind of law whatsoever.
If I wish to patronize a sex club such as this it's none of your business.
"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82
"This tells me morality is entirely subjective, like what Nietzsche said. Your morality is not mine, nor may it control what I can and can't do, nor may any lawmaker lawfully erode my freedoms by turning your concept of "common decency" and "conscience" into any kind of law whatsoever.
If I wish to patronize a sex club such as this it's none of your business."
You quote a man who describes himself as the most terrible opponent of Christianity. Sigh
Sorry, it's way to easy to take your view points seriously. It's a easy stand to take, and too PC. I can train my 8 year old to do what you do in here. Political correctness doesn't change us, it shuts us up. Vote them out if you don't like em,
or go live in France
infinity44 -- at least you recognize Jefferson's true colors. My final word to you here:
"After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands." -- Friedrich Nietzsche, 1888 "Ecce Homo - Why I Am a Destiny"
Nevada is no longer a Libertarian free state. Due to the hypocrisy of our "morality Nazi" local, county and state officials, the only way to maintain a billion dollar economy in "Sin City" is to compete with Disneyland, Six Flags and the such.
There is NO reason why this country, state, county, or local government cannot entertain the ideals of an adult "Disney Land". This town was built by adults, for adults and gained both fame and FORTUNE entertaining the wants, needs, fantasies, and desires of ADULTS. Adults made this city what it is long before video arcades and playgrounds.
There are 50 states and I don't know how many counties. Can WE not have ONE city or area we can call ours. After all this is "sin" city. The CONSENTING ADULTS OVER 21 do not bring their children with them.Wearenformed, intellegent, mature, free citizens of the United States of America ( which the last time I checked was a democracy) that have a lifestyle that is not understood by the rest of the public. This does not make us any more criminal than various religous people, goths, gays,athiests, or demigod politicians that want us to do as THEY say and not as THEY DO!!
I think I'll run for mayor. We will make Sin City come alive and put Vegas back on the map as THE PLACE FOR ADULTS. The casinos won't have to worry about paying all the taxes and supporting us. Who says you need normal business to support a city or county?
All joking aside. If the county commissioners are telling the truth about social clubs and "sex" clubs, WHY did they give them a license to operate in the first place????????? Crime is rampant, drugs out of control and EVERYBODY forgot how to drive. But our sherrif has decided ALL the porblems of our city is stemming from sex. Take the police out of the strip clubs, movie houses, gay bars, and "social clubs" that have been LEGALLY licensed to operate and put them in cars BACK ON THE STREET, the city would be a safer place to live. A little kinky perhaps, but SAFE.
As far as sex clubs are concerned, I have a simple comment.
I do not have the power or want to dictate how you live your life, and you do not have the power to dictate how I live mine. Criminal or harmful acts are not being commited against society. These are designated areas for consenting adults to enjoy. If you do not condone such acts or clubs -DO NOT ATTEND!!!! I am a christian, not a jew. I DO NOT denounce the jewis faith. I DO NOT wish all synagogs be closed. I believe in peacefull coexistance. We all have to live in this world. We do not have to be a part of anything - but we should be willing to accept.
What is wrong with sex clubs. Since the county comission has decided to intensly define the new ordinance let me help. We all have a sex club, it's in our homes called a bedroom. There are sex clubs throughout our community. Casinos, bars ,churches, funerals, weddings, amusement parks, retail stores. What I am getting at is any place a man can meet a women(man- man, woman-woman, whatever) and conjole, entertain, and persuade the person their are interested in to have a mutaully consenting act of animalist copulation is a sex club. We need to stop telling people how to live their lives unless it DIRECTLY ADVERSELY IS DETRIMENTAL TO OURS. Don't like books? stay out of bookstores, don't shut them down.
Quick, call metro, someone is having fun in a house off the strip, where thy have been having fun for 30 years. Better stop it now before it becomes a trend and more poeople will want to have fun here in las Vegas, off the strip.
Close em down
"After coming into contact with a nonreligious man I always feel I must wash my hands." -- Friedrich Nietzsche, 1888 "Ecce Homo - Why I Am a Destiny"