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Sam Morris / Las Vegas Sun
Attendees listen to remarks from Sharron Angle during a Senate candidate forum with Sen. Harry Reid on Thursday at Faith Lutheran High School.
Thursday, Sept. 23, 2010 | 10:17 p.m.
Sun Coverage
If Sharron Angle thought a forum hosted by Christian groups would provide her with a friendly audience, she was wrong.
The Republican U.S. Senate candidate got booed, heckled, mocked and interrupted during an hour-long question-and-answer session at Faith Lutheran Jr./Sr. High School in Las Vegas.
So did Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. But he wasn’t there to hear it.
Reid was in Washington, D.C., because Congress is in session. He taped answers to questions asked by moderator Mitch Fox weeks ago and appeared in video on two jumbo screens hanging above the stage.
A fight among audience members broke out toward the end of the forum as Reid supporters tried to leave while Angle was still speaking.
Kelly Tanaka said an unidentified man pushed her over and punched her friend Thursday after the forum. The man was detained by school officials.
The 27-year-old Tanaka said the fight occurred because she walked past the man, not because she supports Reid and he backs Angle.
On the issues, neither Reid nor Angle’s answers to the six questions about the economy and small business were surprising.
Reid touted his record of saving jobs and promised to create more. He highlighted his efforts to make Nevada a renewable energy leader and stressed the importance of tourism. Angle vowed to cut taxes, blasted what she called a government blinded by “the fog of taxation and regulation” and promised to “reclaim education for Nevada.”
Both candidates easily controlled their individual conversations with Fox in what was not a true debate format. Each relied heavily on campaign talking points and told personal stories of the hardships they’ve witnessed and the people they’ve helped.
What was far more surprising was the passion Reid and Angle stirred in the crowd of about 800 gathered to listen.
The audience, seemingly split in their loyalties, drowned out both candidates with competing jeers and applause. Pleas for decorum by organizers were ignored.
The video-version of Reid remained unfazed as audience members hissed at him and mocked his claim that “in three years, everyone will have health insurance like I do.”
But Angle looked nervous and flustered by the rowdy crowd. She stumbled on her words and looked down at the stage. Still, she smiled through the awkwardness.
Among the comments that garnered Angle the biggest response — mostly negative — were advocating building two coal-fired plants in Ely, encouraging more lithium mining in Nevada and promoting the state’s potential for nuclear energy.
Angle earned the biggest cheers when she said there’s nothing wrong with the health care system.
“We have the finest health care system in the world,” Angle said, noting that the problem is the cost, which “Obamacare” doesn’t address.
Security at the school was high. Guards checked women’s purses and turned people with campaign signs away.
Posters on nearly every door stated that cameras and video equipment were not permitted. Giant screens warned, “NO questions from the audience or the media allowed.”
“Wow, it’s a debate. That’s a lot of security,” said former Republican Gov. Robert List, who attended the event.
As the forum ended and Angle turned to leave the stage, a woman approached her to ask why she wants to limit help for people with autism. The Reid campaign this week released video of Angle in which she appears to criticize a Nevada mandate that requires insurance companies to cover treatment for autism.
Angle ignored the question. Her handlers had warned that she would not be speaking with anyone after the event. They had to whisk her away to catch a flight to Reno for a morning fundraiser.
Angle looked past the woman, waved to the crowd one last time and walked away.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Wow! This is awesome. I wish I'd known about it, I live right near the school.
Harry phoned it in and Angle got to just regurgitate her talking points. Sounds like each candidates ideal setting.
Wow what a one sided New paper,Delen Goldberg what a one side crock, Mrs Angle does not need handlers, she's not a dog... Jon Ralston got hammered so bad, and it was obvious that he was against Sharron Angle no matter what she says, now I guess you journalist at the Sun are taking turns. Open borders Reid had no intention of showing up anyway.
Can you believe how Senator Reid Voted on Illegal Immigration: doe's this sound like a Man who cares about his country?
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted NO on protecting middle-income taxpayers from a national energy tax. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on eliminating the "Y" nonimmigrant guestworker program. (May 2007)
Voted NO on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on tax incentives for energy production and conservation. (Jun 2008)
Voted NO on requiring full Senate debate and vote on cap-and-trade. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on $2 billion more for Cash for Clunkers program. (Aug 2009)
Voted YES on enlarging NATO to include Eastern Europe. (May 2002)
Voted YES on Congressional pay raise. (Jul 2009)
Voted NO on requiring photo ID to vote in federal elections. (Jul 2007)
Voted YES on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on banning more types of Congressional gifts. (Jul 1995)
Reject photo ID requirements for voting. (Sep 2005)
Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on allowing tribal Indians to opt out of federal healthcare. (Feb 2008)
Voted YES on blocking medical savings acounts. (Apr 1996)
Voted YES on comprehensive immigration reform. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship. (May 2006)
Voted YES on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)
Rated 0% by USBC, indicating an open-border stance. (Dec 2006
It's a shame that those who were supposed to control the crowd could not do their job. It's even more sad that Reid supporters turned this into a donnybrook. They showed how rude they are by walking out while she was talking and shouting "Liar" at her when they'd been told repeatedly not to. This sure seems like the way supporters would act when they are truly void of good ideas. Demonize and intimidate. Sharron came through it with God's grace and dignity. She is going to win!
Senator recent AD say that he NEVER supported any measure to give Social Security to illegal aliens, his voting record says otherwise. He has an ongoing TV AD attacking Sharron Angle for lying on him about this issue, but it's right there in his voting record. He even said that he supported border security, and even sponcered the bill, that's; however in 2006 He voted NO on building the border fence.
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
pmontg53: "Angle does not need handlers"
Then why does she have so many?
The threat of violence and lack of respect for personal opinion are exactly why I no longer post comments to any newspaper in my real name. I am a retired professional, a small business owner, an atheist, a fiscal conservative, a straight supporter of gay marriage and service in our military, a taxpayer and a believer in our Consitution as a living, breathing concept. There is no place for me in either of the two major political parties. This is not the all-encompassing America I grew up in. This is not the country I love with all my heart. What has happened to us?
In God's own House...
With His hand-picked candidate, awaiting her coronation; The stage was set, the curtain rose, and...then she had to SPEAK! Oh, the horror!!!
Between the Autism remarks, the "let's get rid of Maternity Leave, because I ain't havin' no more kids" rhetoric, and this UNMITIGATED DISASTER up at the church tonight, it has been another WILD & WACKY DAY in the campaign of Audacious Angle!
"Among the comments that garnered Angle the biggest response -- mostly negative -- were advocating building two coal-fired plants in Ely, encouraging more lithium mining in Nevada and promoting the state's potential for nuclear energy."
Will someone please give me a rational argument why we should not promote those activities?!?
Even if I grant that coal fired power plants will contribute to climate change in a negative way, how can anyone possibly be opposed the mining of lithium when that is the key component in almost every "green" car battery? (Not to mention the meds that some other commenters might be on. Okay, I kid because I love, as Bill Maher would say.)
By thw Way, LVLady1, I think you have an extremely rational view. I wish I had an answer to your question.
Sharron Angle wants to steal our health care.
She said she will repeal it.
NEVER TRUST A GREEDY REPUBLICAN.
darenodawg....You say, "Reid supporters turned this into a donnybrook." A man attacks and punches two young ladies who are Reid supporters because they were walking out on Sharron Angle's speech, but it's not him who started a donnybrook? The last time I checked, it was still legal to walk out, and still illegal to hit people. Or is this just a small precursor to the "Second Amendment Remedies" that Angle mentioned if the Tea Party can't achieve their goals electorally?
One thing is certain - Harry REID didn't show up and could have - IF - he had wanted to. How many Union Members were there heckling? <b>Get Rid of Harry Reid - He's done nothing for Nevada in 24 years.</b>
Sharron Angle craves bringing nuclear waste to an area 90 miles out of Las Vegas. Another example of a Northerner tried to "dump" on the south. She won't have to live near it, and her insular N. Nevada economy won't be affected by the drop of tourism because of it. Overall, its part of Sharron's plan to get rid of gambling in Nevada because its against her religion. Then the whole state can go down the tubes, but she will feel better that she stood by her so-called principals. She's anti-gaming, anti-drinking, anti-everything that makes Nevada special and will allows us to come back around. Getting jobs isn't her job, she says. No, her job is doing her perception of her Lord's work which is making Nevada her church and then ascending to Heaven! This woman is a menace to the hard working, true Nevadans who realize we have something to be proud of in our State... and that is true Freedom. How in the world can any Freedom lover support a candidate who wants to make us accede to her lifestyle. Down with Angle.
When extemporaneous thoughts are fused with bluster and purposely packed into a near capacity crowd venue of sided enthusiastic political followers then get ready for a hot box of tempers to explode, the likes of which the best HVAC sys. would fail to control.
"Intelligent minds discuss ideas, smart minds discuss events, and juvenile minds discuss people" - paraphrased.
Wouldn't a discussion of ideas or ways to improve our social conditions be more productive for our society, instead of the one-upmanship by fanatics bent on forcing their candidate as the one that should represent our democracy?
This event is one of the reasons I continue to choose to be anonymous, because I understand how some folks hold grudges, and will steal you in a New York minute.
@LASVEGASROCKS
pmontg53: "Angle does not need handlers"
Then why does she have so many?
SPOT ON!
@LVLADY1 You sound hella normal to me. I have a feeling the Teabaggers wouldn't have you. I hope you vote Democratic this time around and help to make our party a place that you can feel comfortable in and proud of.
HARRY REID 2010!
I'm only sorry I wasn't at that debate when this scuffle occurred. If that old man laid a hand on me, I would have smashed his face in and bashed his false teeth out to the point he would have swallowed all his false teeth. If I ever find out his name, I will post it and his ugly mug on every liberal blog I find.
I was at the forum---Sen. Reid was barely into his remarks when the Angle supporters began laughing and doing catcalls during his remarks. No security silenced them. Do not expect people to continue to be bullied---We're not taking it anymore! As for Ms. Angle---I ALMOST feel a bit sorry for her---not enough to let her win, but almost. . .no one home in that little belfry!
You should all consider yourselves very lucky. AT least you have a choice... Nevada has a true two-party system. In Hawaii, we have 95 percent Democratic everything... and no-one cares!
Our state is a political joke, except for all the 'bacon' that our esteemed Senator Inoye brings to town! We do like that part of the political system.
On the other side, I'm a republican, but she scares me! How the H... did she become your candidate?
js
psycho sharron is a maggot...
a hyper religious nut job...
who wants to force her religion down your throat...
this nut job wants to end the bedrock principle of separation of church and state...
she wants innocent rape victims who get pregnant to die during child birth...
and make no mistake boys and girls...
she hates las vegas...
her hyper religion does not permit her to like sin city...
that's why she wants to open yucca...
and make our kids glow in the dark...
maggot, maggot, maggot!!!
I can't believe this Angle woman claims to be a Christian! LOL
The picture of a guy old enough to know better punching out a woman who wanted to get past where he was seated tells it all: some of us are out of control. In the name of civilization and Traditional American Values, civility is ended and traditional american values trashed. What's next? Political assassination for real? Civil War?
Once again, because they have nothing positive to contribute to the discussion, leftists spew venom, name call and threaten violence. They are disgusting to say the least. As for lvlady1: it's not hard to figure out what has happened. First, a certain segment of our society has figured out how to get "something for nothing" in the form of government handouts and, second, politicians have found out those people will mindlessly vote to keep the gravy train rolling by reelecting them. Many of the rest have been brain-washed into believing that unless we support the indolent parasites we are racists or heartless. Helping the truly needy had always been a hallmark of the American ethos but the newly emeging parasitic class has taken it to a new level and it's well past the time to shut the spigot. There are many in the U.S., and we see them represented in this forum, too lazy, weak or afraid to take responsibility for themselves. So they are happy allowing government bureaucrats to dictate their lives just as long as they get their stipends.
Gunslinger & lericgoodman...
Well said!
We need to get back to the basics. Just wait until the 'entitled' (and those now growing up who are learning to expect it as it's what they are being taught) stop receiving their freebies and watch what happens. There will be a massive revolt...
It is great that people care to attend a forum and care enough to get worked up about the candidates and the issues. Nothing wrong with a little spirited discussion and debates, but fights are not the what we ought to be about. We have to work on maintaining civility.
As for Harry good to see he take time to video in. He is in DC working hard for his masters: the banks, the lobbyists and other special interests.
Here is a list of the 4 largest categories of donors to Harry's campaign.
Harry is the Party of Yes! (Independent as Nevada)
Sector/Total Contribution
Communications/Electronics $1,050,001
Finance, Insurance & Real Estate $2,949,438
Health $1,561,075
Lawyers & Lobbyists $3,670,080
Misc Business $2,185,012
Labor $417,950
Ideological/Single-Issue $1,017,064
Other $855,860
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/i......
Well said LVLady1.
What's interesting to me, is that in the hottest contested campaigns, more and more media coverage revolves around the circus spectacle. I find out more about the candidates from reading the comments posted, than the actual articles. This is where the real debates play out and give something besides tv ads and the sensationalism of the campaign spectacle reports to research. Many of you make good points... or at least points to be considered and verified.
Are all Mangle supporters old and fat?
Seems like it.
@ boftx - This is why we should NOT promote coal burning plants: http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6...
I suppose you'll just say it's propoganda from the "lamestream" media.
@ darenodawg - I agree we need civlity and anyone yelling out and/or hissing is rude. I certainly hope you spoke up when Rep Joe Wilson yelled out during President Obama's speech... or perhaps it's different when you agree with the person who is doing the yelling?
@ LVLady1 - I'm there with you and I'm sure there's more of us than there are of them. It's very disheartening. I lived in Germany for 10 years while serving in our military and it's so different there to listen to the average German citizen speak about politics. There, not everyone agrees, but you can have spirited and passionate discussion on the issues. In the U.S., there is very few discussion on policy - the discussion in the U.S. is: who is more American, the President is a Muslim, the President is Kenyan, government wants to pull the plug on grandma. I believe that this is the result of years of a failed education system and years of watching Jerry Springer television... where people think it's ok to yell out in an audience and hiss and speak out of turn, etc. Very sad. We have a political party that demonizes education and the media, where they think it's a bad thing to attend Harvard, Yale, and any ivy league school. I feel like I live in Bizzaro land.
I guess old fat republicans can beat up women; that guy ought to be in jail. Paris and the rest of us have to pay the piper; that old fool should too !
It is sad that we can't have honest disagreement and discuss the issues without name calling and violence - on both sides.
Reid's thugs try to make conservatives look bad. Won't work. He is clearly the worst candidate in the race and will be defeated.
why does religion play such an important part of american life, when there is no solid proof a god has ever existed and there is clear evidence of how we evolved from single cell organisms
mandated free coverage for autistic children is one of the reasons why health insurance in Nevada is so expensive.
If you want to help autistic children, give them your own money. Don't force other Nevadans who have their own problems to pay more for health insurance when it is already too high.
Other than that, there are a lot of rude and inconsiderate people. I think that as we march toward larger and larger government the fist fights will only get bigger.
At least none of the Mangle supporters resorted to her 2nd Amendment remedy. That will have to wait until after the election I suppose.
Republican Bush Started 8years Digging A BIG Hole of Economy Depression that It takes 20 years to FIX If angina If REPUBLICANS ALLOW IT, with Clinton (SURPLUS) and start giving up STIMULUS EVER SINCE 2001
Just to Republican Bush's review of deficits only for six years
For Year 2001-2002: $157.800,000,000 billion (1.5% of GDP)
For Year 2003: $377.600,000,000 billion (3.5% of GDP)
For Year 2004: $412.700,000,000 billion (3.6% of GDP)
For Year 2005: $318.300,000,000 billion (2.6% of GDP)
For Year 2006: $248.200,000,000 billion (1.9% of GDP)
For Year 2007: $161.000,000,000 billion (est.) (1.2% of GDP)
Bush Feb 2008 Stimulus Legislation to Prevent Modern Depression Is (NOT COUNTED).
Iraq war estimate March 9, 2008 (est.) $3,000,000,000,000 Trillion of American Tax payer
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
Republican Bush Started 8years Digging A BIG Hole of Economy Depression that It takes 20 years to FIX If REPUBLICANS ALLOW IT, with Clinton (SURPLUS) and start giving up STIMULUS EVER SINCE 2001
Just to Republican Bush's review of deficits only for six years
For Year 2001-2002: $157.800,000,000 billion (1.5% of GDP)
For Year 2003: $377.600,000,000 billion (3.5% of GDP)
For Year 2004: $412.700,000,000 billion (3.6% of GDP)
For Year 2005: $318.300,000,000 billion (2.6% of GDP)
For Year 2006: $248.200,000,000 billion (1.9% of GDP)
For Year 2007: $161.000,000,000 billion (est.) (1.2% of GDP)
Bush Feb 2008 Stimulus Legislation to Prevent Modern Depression Is (NOT COUNTED).
Iraq war estimate March 9, 2008 (est.) $3,000,000,000,000 Trillion of American Tax payer
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
Republican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Sharron Angle" Christine O'Donnell "Ron Paul" Ask Where are the JOBS???????????
Republican JOHN McCAIN on American JOB DESTRUCTION Outsourcing Offshore, Helped Outsource 2.3 Million American Jobs To China
Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/20...
Republican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Sharron Angle" Christine O'Donnell "Ron Paul" Ask Where are the JOBS???????????
Republican Bush on American JOB DESTRUCTION $37,000,000,000 billion in tax breaks for U.S. firms' offshore companies and Replace the DOMESTIC TAX
break to OFFSHORE Companies (Senate legislation S. 1637)
Source: http://www.aflcio.org/issues/jobseconomy...
There are strong feelings on both sides about our choice for US Senator. But for me, the choice is quite clear. I can vote for someone who wants to rescue my beloved country from those who are destroying it, or I can be an ACCOMPLICE to the destruction and vote for the candidate who is at the throttle of the destruction train. If Reid gets re-elected, those who voted for him will be complicit in his malfeasance of his office and his destruction of our Constitution.
epublican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Sharron Angle" Christine O'Donnell "Ron Paul" Ask Where are the JOBS???????????
Republican JOHN McCain on American JOB DESTRUCTION Helped
Outsource "" 2,300,000. Million "" American Jobs To China
Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/20...
epublican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Sharron Angle" Christine O'Donnell "Ron Paul" Ask Where are the JOBS???????????
Carly Fiorina Master of American Jobs Out Sourcing OFFSHORE to other countries check the followings.
Our outsourcing business is growing at four times the market rate today. A year ago, our outsourced business was growing about 15%. In the quarter we just announced, it's growing at 36%, so we are seeing accelerating momentum in our outsourcing.
At the Same Time Republican DESTRUCTIVE Carly Fiorina Turned Around ( Hired) by Importing Foreign Workers with H1-B program from China, India Ext"
Source: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speech...
Let me remind the memory-challenged MarketYou on how the economy cratered:
* Bush takes oath of office Jan 20 2001, the S&P500 closed at 1343.
* Bush's last day in office (Jan 20 2009), the S&P500 closed at 805. That represents a 40 PERCENT LOSS in the market that Sharron Angle would use as the basis for a privatized Social Security.
* Q1 2008 GDP: NEGATIVE 0.7% (i.e., the US economy SHRANK 0.7% in the first quarter of 2008).
* Q2 2008 GDP: up 0.6% (that would mark the last miniscule quarter of GDP growth of Bush's tenure).
* Q3 2008 GDP: NEGATIVE 4%.
* Q4 2008 GDP: NEGATIVE 6.8%
* Q1 2009 GDP: NEGATIVE 4.9%
http://useconomy.about.com/od/economicin...
Here's a chart that graphically illustrates the Bush Administration driving the economy off a cliff and subsequent improvement with Obama's leadership:
http://www.bsu.edu/ibb/us/gdp00.htm
But, hey, go ahead, ignore the FACTS, listen to bogus Tea Party SHILLS like MarketYou, and vote for Sharron Angle. When the fragile economy collapses again with more inept Republican "leadership", I wish us all lots of luck, because we're going to need it!!
Republican Bush seem to think American jobs outsourcing, it actually sustains American jobs
Americans were better off importing it than producing product. Feb-23-2004
Source: http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/3012081
Republican & George Bush Promoted enforced The Outsourcing Of U.S. Jobs
Source: http://fixco1.com/bushoutsourcing.html
A. Republican Bush on American JOB DESTRUCTION $37,000,000,000 billion in tax breaks for U.S. firms' offshore companies and Replace the DOMESTIC TAX
break to OFFSHORE Companies (Senate legislation S. 1637)
Source: http://www.aflcio.org/issues/jobseconomy...
Sara Palin quitter, quit her Governor JOB.
Sara is only Empty Republican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Power Media Air Inflated Balloon, Palin her past is nothing more than quitter.So she is Empty Balloon hero for nothing.
Were Sara and O'Donnell part of the same EVIL CULT UNION?
Shame on Republican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION
Glenn Beck To Fat People: 'I Say Let Them Die'
Republican Glenn Beck To Fat People: 'I Say Let Them Die'
Do We Have to put up with "Sharron Angle" And Glenn Beck to Degrade, Put Down and Laugh at them from now on?
Republicans mostly are in bed Banks or Oil Firms And ext.........
Republicans ONLY AND ONLY SEE GREEN DOLLARS and speak only the green dollars Language and NOT THE LANGUAGE OF Most Ordinary Hard Working Americans.And those Hard working Americans and families, Deserve Way Way Better than thisShame on Tea party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION
Source: http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/15/beck.....
http://wonkette.com/421662/glenn-beck-do...
Republicans never been Good for Ordinary Americans
These Are their American Way? Hell with That Cult
Welcome to Circus Angle....
"We have the finest health care system in the world," Angle said.
Sincere ignorance is bliss.. You betcha..
Sara Palin quitter, quit her Governor JOB.
Sara is only Empty Republican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Power Media Air Inflated Balloon, Palin her past is nothing more than quitter.So she is Empty Balloon hero for nothing.
Were Sara and O'Donnell part of the same EVIL CULT UNION?
I wish we could hear liberals contribute something constructive and relevant to the debate. Unfortunately, being absent of solutions to the mess they have created and, being unable to stand on the results of their own agenda, they can only engage in lies, distortions, personal attacks, name-calling, mud-slinging, and stupid, sub-intellectual, moronic blabber.
Put down that next glass of Kool-Aid, Sagehopper.
You've been over-served.
Glen Beck Barbaric and primitive savagery and this Is Considered the Best of Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION " Let Fat People Die " Glen Beck Republican Tea-party Leader to Americans Says "" Let Fat People Die ""
Fat People Kick & Boot out Republican Tea-party, American Freedom Killers and people like
"Sharron Angle" Christine O'Donnell "Ron Paul" they are Cult Yes CULT
Source: http://thinkprogress.org/2010/09/15/beck.....
Source: http://wonkette.com/421662/glenn-beck-do...
Stop ""Republican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION""" TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX GAME GAME GAME GAME GAME.
TAx From The Source Same For All All All All 100% of Americans Across the line Same Amount, All Food Materials Everything from Source Once Like All Europe Does ANd they do not have Game of the TAX Every Election
Negative Negative Negative. Just like the fight in the crowd. A football game between donkeys and elephants. Which one will win outright you ask? Good question....The day that one party gains complete control of our government functions, there is no more democracy. Just a thought.
We are Mad At Obama For Not Calling Every Minute the Destructions That Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Bush Destroyed United State Economy But
World Wide Recession, Remember Bush On GGG8888
He Said If World Follow Us the Whole World in Future Will be Successful,
Today Is Future and The Whole World Is In Recession
Republicans Tea-partyWITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Ask " Where are the JOBS?????????????????????
Republican Bush on American JOB DESTRUCTION $37,000,000,000 billion in tax breaks for U.S. firms' offshore companies and Replace the DOMESTIC TAX
break to OFFSHORE Companies (Senate legislation S. 1637)
Source: http://www.aflcio.org/issues/jobseconomy...
Republican Tea-partyWITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Carly Fiorina Out Sourced American Jobs when in HP to other countries ( Call it Offshore).
Republican Tea- Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Carly Fiorina Sold Out The American JOBS and American Workers.
Republican Tea Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Carly Fiorina Look at HP quarterly Reports that will SHow me and who ever wants to see Where are the American JOBS.
At the Same Time Republican WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Carly Fiorina Turned Around ( Hired) by Importing Foreign Workers with H1-B program from China, India Ext"".
Republican there you Shipped the Jobs, Offshore Offshore Offshore Offshore Offshore Offshore Offshore
Republican Bush and his Fat Cat friends Destroyed American Market and you think it will be fixed in MONTHS, 5 YEARS, 10 YEARS??? NO WILL NOT HELL NO WILL NOT.
Source:http://www.h1bvisasuckns.com/H1BDiscussions_issue_job.htm
Republicans Tea-partyWITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Ask " Where are the JOBS?????????????????????
Republican JOHN McCain on American JOB DESTRUCTION Helped Outsource 2,300,000. Million American Jobs To China
Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/20...
Republican Bush and his Fat Cat friends Destroyed American Market and you think it will be fixed in MONTHS, 5 YEARS, 10 YEARS???
NO WILL NOT HELL NO WILL NOT.
Can we create a third party for the majority of Americans who sit in the middle of all this nonsense? This whole right and left debacle will not change. People listen to what validates what they already think, not to what will actually stimulate critical thinking.
Richard Hopkins aka Sagehopper, the same can be said about both parties.
To Bobby G
Ronald Reagan worst example Republican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Jolts The GOP Much As Ronald Reagan Did
Reagan was your worst choice of example names to use, Reagan Declared "CATSUP" "CATSUP" isFruit Because Earlier Claimed TOMATO IS fruit
and CATSUP IS FROM TOMATO ..... Then After Reagan Cut SCHOOLS FRUIT
Money and REPLACED IT with "CATSUP" then Reagan ClAIMED WE REPUBLICANS are giving schools FRUIT.Because reagan early Declared "CATSUP" =====Equals====FRUIT.
To Bobby G
Ronald Reagan worst example Republican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Jolts The GOP Much As Ronald Reagan Did
Reagan was your worst choice of example names to use, Reagan Declared "CATSUP" "CATSUP" isFruit Because Earlier Claimed TOMATO IS fruit
and CATSUP IS FROM TOMATO ..... Then After Reagan Cut SCHOOLS FRUIT
Money and REPLACED IT with "CATSUP" then Reagan ClAIMED WE REPUBLICANS are giving schools FRUIT.Because reagan early Declared "CATSUP" =====Equals====FRUIT.
Source: http://www.prorev.com/reagan.htm earlier
Here are rational arguments for and against nuclear power:
FOR: It produces cheap power and does not add to carbon pollution-global warming/climate change.
AGAINST: It produces waste which takes about one million years to decay to background levels. If one adds in the real costs of safeguarding the radioactive materials and waste, it is not as cheap as it looks when those costs are ignored.
Republicans are not the problem.
Democrats are not the problem.
A two party system, is the problem. It fosters us against them, me and you, black and white, right and wrong.
A two party system will likely be the downfall of this country.
Any debate that doesn't provide for questions from a live and not cherry picked audience is useless. Our citizens are charged with voting and our elected representatives are charged with representing the citizens of their state or district.
As such the media is not an appropriate genesis for intellectual query. It all comes down to the voters. The media is charged with accurate reporting of what transpires and analysis only if it is labeled as opinion, as any analysis from them only represents the writer and editor and not the voters.
In the end the only question for voters is which senatorial candidate will best represent the citizens of that state and in our case because Sen. Reid is the Senate Majority Leader, a peer elected position of significant power whose actions affect all Americans; who will be best for America?
To predict what the candidates will do assuming their election we have only to look principally at past actions and statements of intent where there is no pertinent record.
Accordingly, we can assume Sen. Reid will continue as a virtual rubber stamp for the Obama Administration and a willing partner with the Liberal members of the House in most instances. There is no reason to think he won't continue his record of closed door meetings, subterfuge, unaccountability in support of the big government, nanny state, big spending socialist agenda as evidenced by their legislative record and the bills signed into law. As previously mentioned, as majority leader his actions have great weight and thus can be either great help or do great harm to the nation.
Candidate Angle on the other hand, should she be successful, will be a freshman senator with no chairs and very limited influence in or out or her party. Her ability to hurt the nation should she not serve well, will be nil compared to Sen. Reid. The worst outcome from her election would be an opportunity for better leadership by a new majority leader.
Nevadans should take note of their additional responsibility this election as they will determine if Sen. Reid remains as majority leader or is replaced by another from whichever party wins the majority, whom likely will be held to a higher standard of conduct and integrity than can be expected from the old guard.
In the end it comes down to more of the same versus an opportunity for progress, even if Democrats remain in the majority.
I can think of few Senators Democrat, Republican or Independent whom I wouldn't choose over Reid.
Hopefully we will have the integrity and conscience to vote in Americas best interests and not just in favor of our individual perspective.
We Always had 3 party Like Ross Perot or Nader or Liberals or Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION at End they showed up as a Republicans Poppets
FYI, that guy who punched the woman, along with the woman (Kay Metha) should both be in trouble. The moment she laid a hand on him, and tried to restrain him in his seat, she was guilty of assault as well.
@Sun:
There is a comment on the article page saying "Well said LVLady1". Yet there is no comment on that same page from LVLady1. She explains very well why she will not use her real name. You may want to read her comment and post it on the article page, as not to fragment the comments for your readers.
With all due respect, I'm wondering when this experiment will end. It was a bad idea from the start. Your business is content, and you are displacing much of the content that many folks come here for. How did this pass your quality check?
There was never A Senate Leader As Harry Reid In the history Of United State
History, That Accomplished For the People As they Requested from Him.
Rei has been one of The Best Quality Senators in U.S History
Yes there some Republicans Shouting shows are put together in town meetings as
Republican did In Gore and Bush Florida.
Republicans Always Make Mud in river in order to Catch Fishes
I'm so glad your family is happy and healthy Patrick - I do assume when you pay for your health insurance you expect it to cover your health issues, correct?
I certainly hope you never encounter a potentially bankrupting health situation that your health insurance won't cover even though you pay for it.
I guess your friend Sharron can help you make lemondade out of those lemons!!
How can you be such a self centered jerk??? Seriously, please explain that to me-
"Angle earned the biggest cheers when she said there's nothing wrong with the health care system. "We have the finest health care system in the world," Angle said, noting that the problem is the cost, which "Obamacare" doesn't address."
We do have a great healthcare system, but only if you are in it! But you can't be in it if you've got pre-existing conditions or if you get dropped from coverage when you try to use your insurance. If you're not in it, you use it anyway and then don't pay for your use whether you're poor or declare bankruptcy because you get wiped out. Remember, insurance also cuts the cost. I know someone who got an $82,000 bill for a heart attack that insurance cut to $15,000. You can get some discounts by negotiating but not that much of a discount.
So, I disagree with candidate Angle. There are things wrong with our healthcare system. Is the ACA the best answer? Probably not but it's a start. It's more than we got when the Republicans controlled the federal government. Maybe all of our elected representatives will work together (that's what we pay them handsomely for) and make positive changes going forward. I'm sure Republicans have some good ideas but they have to WORK WITH the Democrats not just vote against them. I'm not holding my breath.
Great picture. His fist is saying I hate you....but his pants are saying I love you!
Patrick:
It looks like he was coming forward at her. Its a natural reaction to put a hand out to stop someone in that instance.
Sure she was probably verbally provoking him and is probably morally responsible for getting attacked. But I think he will be the one that legally is responsible for assault.
Liar "Republican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION" Insisted that they Are not REPUBLICAN But look at them, they are the ones that are Electing Republicans Poppets
that are Extreme Agains most Americans.
Liar "Tee Party POPPETS" Have Strings Attached to Their "Head", Hands, "Feet", "Mouth", witch is CONTROLLED BEHIND CURTAINS By Republican and their Media, news papers, Pollsters OWNED
'"""" Exactly JUST LIKE CUBA Does IT """"
Liar "Tee Party" POPPETS with strings, Witch Have Republicans Behind Curtains Strings Attached to Them " Do Not Want to Debate Democrats" Because POPPETS wants REPUBLICAN MEDIA, Republican NEWS Papers, and Pollsters to "Win" Congress and Senate Seats For them,
''"""" Exactly JUST LIKE CUBA Does IT """"
Liar "Tee Party POPPETS with string" , they Filed Application For Senate & Congress Of The American People Houses, But "POPPETS with Strings" Have Rejecting """JOB INTERVIEW"" Or Debate, Because Republican owned Media,Republican Owned NewsPapers And REpublican Pollsters SHOULD WIN JOBS FOR THEM
'"""" Exactly JUST LIKE CUBA Does IT """"
I cannot believe that this guy actually punched a lady. What a loser.
I could have voted for Tark or other Repub, but I cannot vote for Angle. The sheer fact she cannot openly support the positions she did right after the primary tells me that she is weak. She should stand up for what she originally said.
The sheer fact she would not even answer the ladies question tells me she is weak and her handlers worry about anything that comes out of her mouth spontaneously. People forget she was voted the worst Rep in the state legislature long before she eyed the senate.
Why oh why could we not have a better Repub candidate that I could believe in.
People ask me why I haven't gone to some of these "political events" lately. This is wgy. They seem to draw out the disrespectful idiots (on both sides) who ruin it for the rest of us. It's one thing to have a "friendly" heated discussion with someone on the other side, but "fighting" isn't the answer.
if Republican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Sarah & Christine Could Run For Senate of U.S.A, then High School Drop Outs Could do It Too.
Sara Palin quitter,
quit her Governor JOB. RepublicanRepublican Tea-Party WITCH_CRAFTER Evil UNION Sara is only Empty Republican Tea Party Power Media Full of Air Inflated Balloon, Palin her past is nothing more than quitter.
So she & Gingrich's and their "Contract on America is Only Air Filed Balloon hero for Nothing
It's never a good idea to fight a guy who's sporting a pup tent.
Dollars to donuts Shameless Harry becomes a high-priced DC lobbyst after he loses the (not his!!!) Senate seat.
@Sun:
There is a comment on the article page saying "Well said LVLady1". Yet there is no comment on that same page from LVLady1.
****
westvegas:
LVLady's comment was posted about 11:24pm on Sept. 23.
Sad to see a fight, but glad to see people involve in politics to the point of picking a fight because of different ideas.
I wish I could've gone.
Now, people complaining about Angle because she looks scare, or nervous I'd love to see you on stage answering questions to a crowd which disagrees with you, easey peasy, right? Stage scare? Now, Reid didn't show up because he was in session in Washington, so he sent a tape, how convenient and worhtless.
Republicans with All that Jumping Up and Down Created in 8 years Around
1.5 Millions JOBS, did you get it 1.5 million?
Democrats Clinton Around 24,000,000 Million JOBS in 8 Years
That is Why Are Called Destructive of Middles Class.
Middle Class If NO money NO Casino
I just have to post to inform others that I was right behind the brawl last night. The two women involved were loud and obnoxious during Sharron Angle's time on the stage and what seemed so planned and organized was the act of the 20 to 30 individuals that rose"at the very same time"to walk out. The space from someone's knees to the back of the seat in front is very limited and the women were anything but petite.
FACT: One of the women started the ruckus by slapping the older man as she attempted to leave. He may have tried to help her as he was not the violent type. Now your story has brought out the bloggers that are blaming the man for hitting a woman. The man was respectful of both Reid and Angle.
I am so sure that I would bet dollars to donuts that there was some type of organized plan to start a fight for the media and in this case the man minding his own business happened to be the target due to his close proximity. The outcome would have been much different if that person would have been me"they picked someone easy to confront and put a show on for the cameras"I saw it"all of it.
To towerman10
Take it Easy, Republicans Always Have Theaters Like That, Just remember year 2000 Gore vs Bush Republicans Theaters Always Make Mud in river in order to Catch Fishes in other word Voters.
Sure, towerman. Who are we supposed to believe? You, or our lying eyes?
sevenhills...
That was a "joke", right???
If not, dude, you better get some help.
No joke.
The belly laughs will all be on Harry and his whelp when the flame out in November. Harry's staff must not be getting anything done given that they spend all their time posting comments on this board. Ha!
At least they both like the same shirt. (Just trying to find a "little" common ground here . . . .)
Thanks to people like Anglo, the world is laughing at Vegas right now. We're now a real-life version of "The Jerry Springer Show".
Want to see how the national debt grows since 1945? Seems the biggest raises come when the president has an "R" next to his name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_de...
Just the facts please. Everyone has opinions. ;-)
When Harry Reid completes his concession speech, I presume @ the MGM, his supporters will return to civility and their mannerly ways.
Looks like a 5th grade classroom.
@LVLady1: "What has happened to us?": 1. The emergence of social (invariably religion-based) issues as key political factors; mostly abortion and gay rights. 2. The success of politicians in using wedge-issue tactics to divide us. 3. Outrageous gerrymandering, predominantly by the Republicans under Tom DeLay. 4. The transformation of media "news" departments into P&L centers. 5. The 24-hour news cycle.
Everyone just calm down. They Both represent the Billionaires and Wall Street Corporate Class.
Reid gets his money directly from them - Angle gets her money through the back door from the same people via fake advocacy groups. Neither represents the Poor, Seniors nor the Middle Class.
We in Nevada are responsible for the poor choice of candidates by not getting informed and involved in the early selection process. We prefer to wait for the 30 second mud slinging commercials to make a choice of the lesser of two evils.
The main difference in the two parties is - Do you think Social Security, Medicare and the VA should be privatized and turned over to Wall Street and the Insurance companies -or not?
Billionaires making millions per year(and in a few cases over 1 Billion dollars) in the Stock Market and Hedge Funds pay just 15% in Taxes - while a Middle Class worker pays 35%, and Neither party will talk about the true Tax inequalities.
Only when the Money is totally taken out of Politics will we get change. Until then the Banks, Wall Street, Insurance Companies, Pharma, Oil Companies and Telecommunications will rule our country.
Vote Away - and hopefully in six years we select candidates representing the Middle Class.
I say we take away the old dude's Medicare, Social Security and clean air. After all, he hates everything the Democrats have done for Americans, right?
I had to laugh as I listened to Ms. Angle talk about the things that would resurrect Nevada: development of nuclear energy, mining for lithium, implementation of two coal-fired plants in Ely, and a doing away with the regulations on smelting gold and copper. No wonder she wants to do away with the EPA - she objects to any logic, scientific or otherwise, that doesn't agree with her. In this case, Ms. Angle is willing to risk human lives for the sake of the almighty buck. Isn't that exactly why we HAVE regulations on business? Because people like Angle can't be trusted to do the right thing.
For Angle to say that the US has "the best healthcare system in the world" shows how far off she is in her facts. It is actually the 37th best healthcare system in the world. Apparently, 59 to Angle has not been a patient anytime recently. I am kinda surprised she hasn't sought mental health care, at least.
When Clinton left office 34% of Americans owned 95% of the wealth in the country. When Bush left office 23% owned that 95%. I call that "redistribution of wealth"--away from middle class, obviously.
I would have punched her too. Sticking her finger in your face, then pushing you down. Oh yea...stay out of my face. Reid supports are nothing but parasites.
Feeding off the taxpayers money. Enjoy now because your Mecca is not going to last once the conservatives take control
I was there, too, and Reid was allowed to go first in deference to his incumbent status. The moment he began speaking, the Angle people started in with their jeering, whistles, and guffaws. They were asked more than once to please be respectful and not make any comments or applaud until the end of his talk but they wouldn't shut up.
The row behind me was full of Angle supporters. One couple began yelling at Harry from the get go and the woman kept making shrieking chicken noises (I guess she doesn't realize the chicken lady and Angle are not one and the same.) A veteran sitting in my row asked them to be quiet multiple times and they told him they could say whatever they wanted, you know, right to free speech and all, and if he didn't like it, he should move. Then the chicken lady started crowing and cackling again. Then I and someone in the row in front of us both turned to her and asked her to please be quiet and before she had a chance to say anything else, the Pastor took the microphone and reminded everyone to behave.
When Angle's turn to speak came, the moderator had to remind the audience twice to please refrain from commenting and applauding - reminding her supporters that even positive outbursts, such as applauding and cheering, would take away from Angle's allotted 30 minutes. But that didn't stop them either. They just kept it up and kept it up, like rude, ill-mannered, spoiled brat children.
Before the event started, I saw an Angle insider wannabe pacing up and down the line of people waiting to enter the building, talking and laughing loudly on his phone about how he'd skilled Sharron on how to "stick it to Harry" and "kick his "ass" in preparation for this event. Now, he IS involved with her campaign, but the big insider he's not, so I take what he said with a grain of salt. But when I heard another Angle spokesperson say much of the same thing, I figured their strategy hasn't changed much: rag on Harry.
Personally, I want to hear a candidate talk about why we should elect him/her - not why we shouldn't elect their opponent. Angle's a loser and so are any of her crazy, angry, lunatic supporters who just can't manage to calm down.
Hey, you, the excitable Angle supporters: voting with your emotions will soothe your sweet tooth for a fair bit of time. But when you start longing for real, nutritious food, you'll find that there's nothing else on the menu. I'm voting Harry.
Looks like the crazy old dude isn't the only one who gets aroused by thoughts of beating on women. Way to stay classy, teabaggers.
Wow, something I agree with Sharron Angle on - Lithium mining is Nevada's growth segment in the mining industry.
We have enough Lithium in Nevada for over one BILLION Chevy Volts. A 2005 PNNL study shows the current grid can handle 73% of current light-duty vehicles converting to something like the Chevy Volt (or equivalent PHEVs in all car/SUV classes), and, in my opinion, its likely we can get to 100% with a "smart" grid. We could nearly eliminate oil imports if we got to this level by 2030.
Obama's goal is to have the US to manufacture 40% of the world's advanced automotive and grid-storage batteries. We need the raw supplies like Lithium to make it happen.
I hope children were not witnessing this "Adult Romper Room". They would have probably been better behaved.
I hope that the people who wanted exposure from this are happy, its now on CNN's Situation Room.
Comment removed by moderator. Language
Wife beaters always blame the victim, as in,
You happy now?
You see what you made me do?
You made me punch you!
Well, well, well. the goose stepping, boot licking supporters of the radical extremist republicans were there to disrupt the Democratic proceedings just like they did at the Democratic town hall meetings.
These people are paid disrupters trying to stop the propagation of truth.
Do you remember the Florida recount process? Protesters were flown in and drove in to stop the legal process of the vote counting.
Some of those protestors were also outside the NY Times bldg. in New to loudly protest NYT articles that were against the invasion of Iraq.
The radical extremist republicans and their sycophant supporters are stooping lower than the low.
I find it hard to believe that some Americans would let themselves be used for such undemocratic acts.
Are they, by their actions the most Un-American of our people?
Why would we put in coal fired plants in Nevada where it is windy and sunny almost every day? We need to keep developing wind and solar. Mining is, next to gaming Nevada's backbone. Unfortunately, mining has historically left behind devastating ecological consequences, most notably to our valuable water resources. Now that we know better we need to ensure that mining does not leave behind toxic refuse to endanger future generations.
To Sagehopper:
"Pledge to America drafted by lobbyist in bed with AIG, Exxon Mobil, drug makers":
"The GOP's Pledge to America is yet another disguise for throwing out everything America is supposed to stand for and replacing it with an undisguised scheme to sellout the public to corporate lobbyists. The GOP favor the big business agenda is exactly what got America into the mess it is in now and selling this plan as anything but a lobbyists dream is nothing but pure rhetoric.
"The Pledge to America should have been called the Scam on America because it does nothing to help Americans -- unless of course they are CEO's of big oil companies, drug companies, or Wall Street bankers."
Maryann Tobin, Political Spin Examiner
Examiner.com September 23rd, 2010 4:11 pm ET
Read the full aritcle at:
http://www.examiner.com/political-spin-i......
"With 'Pledge to America,' Republicans are new Foundering Fathers"
"It took the Republicans just three minutes to violate their 'Pledge to America.'"
By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 23, 2010; 11:08 PM
read full article at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con......
An article on Mike Huckabee's speech at the Values Voters Summit last week regarding health insurance:
"Sick Bastards"
Wednesday 22 September 2010
by: William Rivers Pitt, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
http://www.truth-out.org/sick-bastards63......
Comment removed by moderator. Language.
When Harry Reid talks about health care keep in mind all the money he has accepted from pharmaceutical company lobbyists. According to opensecrets.org he has accepted over $231,000 from the pharma/health industry in 2009/2010.
Sharron Angle and the so-called "Pro-Life" Republicans don't care if people die for lack of money to buy their right-to-life from the medical establishment and insurance companies. The true "elite" in this country are the ones who can afford the best medical care whether it's covered by insurance or not.
Bluejeans, hospital cannot turn away anyone with a life threatening condition currently. There is a need to improve access to our medical system but to have the government control and ration the health care is not the solution.
Bluejeans,
This is going to be off topic, but I want you to defend your statement: "Sharron Angle and the so-called "Pro-Life" Republicans don't care if people die for lack of money to buy their right-to-life from the medical establishment and insurance companies."
Let's put this in the simplest of terms.
Suppose that you are dying and the only thing that could save you would be for me to donate a kidney. If I do donate a kidney, you will live for another 20 years, minimum, barring an accident.
Do you have a right to one of my kidneys? Does the government have the right to force me to give you a kidney if I do not volunteer it?
When I hear some one on this page say that liberals offer no solutions I am surprised and saddened by how many blind fools there are in this state. All I hear is hate from the right, that and lies. I am a Navy vet, 55 years old, well read and educated and have lived in this state since 57'. I know Reid is a crook and I don't always agree with him but the alternative to him is a very foolish religious wackjob. So let's be sensible.
tim g:
The insurance companies are already rationing health care by denying claims, limiting and capping coverage, and refusing pre-existing conditions. If people have no health insurance or money to pay doctors, they neglect their health problems, and then when it gets life-threatening, their treatment costs much more.
The solution is not allowing profit-greedy insurance companies to be in charge, making the rules. I'd rather have my money (whether insurance premiums or taxes) in the system for good, affordable medical care for every American, than buying more yachts, mansions, caviar and luxury goods for insurance company executives.
Bluejeans,
If hospitals didn't charge over $100 for an Advil then maybe insurance premiums wouldn't be so high. We have to address the real cause of the problem.
Regulating the insurance companies won't do a damn thing to lower the price of going to the doctor.
The bottom line is this--
RICH, GREEDY REPUBLICANS DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY
AND BROKE OUR MIDDLE CLASS.
In November, keep the greedy republican thieves
and crooks out of power.
VOTE DEMOCRATIC.
boftx:
My comments were about health insurance and medical care, not forcing people to donate kidneys.
Nobody but you has a right to your kidneys. The government does not have the right to force you to give you a kidney if you do not volunteer it. And, if I were such a patient, no, I would not want or accept a kidney from a forced donor.
What an odd question. I think you've been watching too many sci-fi movies.
Does the teamster want us to give Obamanure a second term?
tdk......
You will be out voted again in 2012.
The republican party is broken.
We poor people out number rich people.
Bluejeans,
The forced subsidization of medical care for any person who says they have a right to it is based on the exact same scenario that I just described. I just boiled it down to the basics.
A man hitting a woman is obviously deplorable. Unless a woman is assaulting a man with a weapon, a man should never hit a woman.
But, what is even more deplorable is the economic condition the state of Nevada is in. That, combined with other polorizing social issues, is the root cause to the level of frustration that Nevadans are experiencing.
Humans, just like animals, can only take so much anger before they start to lose their composure and resort to violence. Vegas use to be a happy place, but now it's a nightmare!
teamsper: we are not Republicans. We are the new America.
boftx:
Sorry, I don't get how the kidney scenario relates to the health insurance issue. I don't know why you would propose that the government has such a right or is seeking such a right.
Bluejeans,
By mandating that everyone have insurance, and by subsidizing those who can not buy their own, the government is effectively saying that anyone who needs treatment has a right to demand it at the expense of everyone else. That is also saying that those who have the means to buy insurance are also obligated to provide it for those who do not through taxation.
That is congruent to the scenario I outlined earlier. I have the means to not only keep myself alive, but also one other person since in theory I only need one of my kidneys. Under the philosophy stated in the preceding paragraph, I would be obligated to donate my kidney to someone who needed it, whether I wanted to or not.
tdk.....
There's nothing new about greed.
You right-wingers will still lose.
SAVE OUR COUNTRY, VOTE DEMOCRATIC.
boftx......
Do you have a good health care plan?
teamster,
I have what many would call an average health care plan. I've had much better in the past, and have also had worse or none at all. I'll say this much, I pay $4/month each for three of the four prescriptions I need to control my blood pressure and heart disease, I pay $207/month for the fourth, Plavix.
I'm sure my employer pays a LOT for my coverage since I have had three major heart attack since 2004. I don't know know what they pay since I negotiated a contract based upon net pay, not gross (but I suspect they pay about $2000/month for mine.) I did this because at a prior job I had to pay about $1000/month for myself and my family, before my heart attacks.
Why do you ask?
I'm a 56 year old male. I grew up in the sex, drugs and rock-n-roll era. During this time it seems everything was permissible - except hitting a woman. That was one of the few forbidden things in this world. Many men have been slapped or pushed by a woman without striking back - especially with a fist. I don't mean to sound sexist - but hitting a woman is something you just do not do - period.
This guy ought to be the poster child for the Tea-Party.
What no news picked up is the person in the white pick-up truck that damn near ran over Reid supporters on the curb outside the church before the event. Reid supporters had to drop their signs and jump two feet back to avoid being hit by her as she drove up on the curb at the entrance to the parking lot.
Standing in line we tried to engage an Angle supporter in friendly conversation -- found out you can't engage unfriendly people in friendly conversation. The guy was a total jerk.
If this is indicative of the kind of people that support Sharon Angle -- thank God I'm a Reid supporter!
Teamster - Hey Teamster, how do you find the time to spew garbage from your mouth, when you and your union brothers are busy drinking beer and smoking pot during work?
Here's the video of your Detroit/Chrysler union brothers getting loaded during their lunch break. BUSTED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmKyJXHX...
Gotta love those teamsters!!!
This is just the beginning of those "Second Amendmend" type remedies that ANgle & her supporters favor! Imagine if she actually becomes a US Senator, the power she would have! Pretty scary stuff!
Harry looks worried. He should be. He did the right thing by not showing up. Obama/Reid/Pelosi...never forget these three losers.
I wish we could all get away from talking about Bush vs. Obama. This is state level politics, where it really matters. So many of us fail to show up to vote for Senators, Justices of the Peace, Judges, Clark County Commission, and City Council.
I don't really want a big government or a small government. Whatever. I just want them to do their jobs properly, but they don't. They don't have a party for me, so I have to go with the lesser of the evils. In this case, It's Reid.
As far as healthcare goes: The for-profit insurance agengies are full of administrators and useless, non-medical people. In this Valley, we'd be able to reduce our costs by a bunch if we ridded ourselves of the monopoly that calls itself Sierra / United Healthcare. They own forty percent of the market.
They make nice profits, even with all their inefficient BS, because thay can raise their rates any time they want to. You cannot be a contracted provider with them unless you use them for your health insurance as well.
The cost to cover a whole family at my job is $800 per month for me, and triple that for my employer. I have a $500 deductible if I choose to receive any benefits.
Go ahead and feel sorry for the insurance companies. Every market is different, but LV has it's head in a noose. Why do you think Dipak was ordering reuse? Best healthcare in the world? I don't think so.
boftx:
I don't think so. Your logic is convoluted, not "congruent".
Maybe somebody can help me with this....
I'm not so sure I follow Angle's thinking here, she thinks human life is so precious that women who are raped should have their children yet once these children are born she wants to stop caring about them. So an unborn child is more important then 1 that already is. Just like women don't choose to be raped children don't choose to be born with autism. As a parent of a healthy child I am appaled that any parent or grandparent would support a women that takes issue with insurers being forced to provide coverage for autistic children. The numbers don't lie, any of us can have children that are born with or develop autism and yet this women wants to prevent underprivelaged families from receiving treatment for their children. Unreal....
boftx,
My understanding of employer sponsored health insurance is that every employee pays basically the same amount for premiums, regardless of their health status. When you sign up for company insurance, I don't believe there are any questions about health history. So in all employer sponsored insurance plans, the young and healthy are absolutely helping to balance out the higher costs of those with greater health care needs. The bigger the company you work for, the more cost efficient and reliable the insurance can be. That is how the American health care system works. The majority of people are on company insurance plans that divide the risks amongst a the larger group. So be grateful you work for a company that offers insurance, because if you were to try to buy insurance on your own, it sounds like private insurance would probably turn you down completely. BUT...starting in 2014, with HCR people who want to buy individual insurance plans will have similar tax subsidies and protections as those who get insurance from big employers.
Oh...and BTW, boftx,
Because you get insurance from your employer, you pay with pre-tax dollars. That saves you about $4000 a year in taxes. Basically, the government is paying about 1/3 of your premiums. Multiply that by everyone else with employer sponsored insurance...it is about $200 BILLION a year in lost tax revenue.
For those who don't get insurance from their employer, they get diddly squat...IF, that is, they can manage to get through the intense medical scrutiny to even qualify.
HCR basically levels the playing field so the individual buyers can be let into the same health care system that already exists for almost everyone else.
I agree with vegaslee. Let's look at the facts. Of those years with an "R" president that the national debt rose, Congress was under "D" control for 12 of those years while just 4 were under "R" control. The other years were split.
If you bother looking further into your "facts", you will see that beginning with the 2008 budget (which was written by the "D" controlled Congress), the deficit has gone from under $200 billion in 2007 to more than 1.4 trillion!! Thanks for reminding us of the facts!
"The picture of a guy old enough to know better punching out a woman who wanted to get past where he was seated tells it all: some of us are out of control. In the name of civilization and Traditional American Values, civility is ended and traditional american values trashed. What's next? Political assassination for real? Civil War?"
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Lara,
Now you know why I negotiated "net" pay and not gross.
Obamacare (HCR if you prefer) is a joke. It will do nothing except raise premiums overall. It was a gift to the insurance companies.
If you want REAL reform find out why hospitals can charge $100 for an Advil pill. Don't say they have to make up for the uninsured, the math doesn't work.
Every doctor I have gone to will give a discount, usually about 50%, to those who are self-pay. That says everything. Bottom line is that doctors and hospitals jack up the prices simply because it is the deep-pocket insurance companies paying for it, NOT the individual patient.
Insurance companies don't provide health care, doctors and hospitals do. THEY are the real crooks.
I was the guy in the blue shirt sitting behind the elderly heavy set guy who ended up trying to calm him down after he instigated the confrontation by not letting the women past him when they got up to leave. He shoved the first woman when she forced her way past him and the situation escalated from there. The Angle supporters exercised their right to be rude during Senator Reid's time and many Democrat's reciprocated in kind during this canned questions and canned answer session.
Overall this forum was tailor made for a candidate, Ms. Angle, who can't think on her feet or actually debate if she is forced off her talking points. But this is exactly what she needs to demonstrate as THIS WOULD BE HER JOB on a daily basis in the senate. She was completely ineffective in the state legislature in persuading even those on her side of the aisle to support her positions which should have, if she were a reflective person which she obviously is not, caused her to wonder if those positions were fundamentally wrong, as I think they were.
Mr. Schaffer--Thank you very much for speaking up. I saw you in the pictures and wondered what you were thinking as this ensued. You were right behind him and saw that "he shoved the first woman when she forced her way past him."
Botox--you say the Health Care Act will "do nothing except raise premiums." On March 18 the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office "released its long awaited score on a health care reform bill that is in front of Congress. The score ended up being a boost for supporters of the bill, as the CBO predicted the effort would cut $1.3 trillion from the deficit over 20 years and cover 95 percent of Americans. Over 10 years, the bill would save $138 billion."
jw456,
It pays to look around at other people's analysis of the bill. For example, look at the Christian Science Monitor (say what you want, they have good news): http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0322/N...
The telling sentence is this: "President Obama and congressional Democrats planned their package to be 'deficit neutral,' with additional federal spending on health care offset by either tax hikes or the Medicare curbs."
boftx,
You make a very good point about the $100 asprin. My insurance plan requires me to pay cash almost 100% of the time. But since I do have this insurance plan, I bill the doctors first which allowed me to pay the "negotiated rate." I have learned a lot about how medical billing works. Insurance negotiates "reasonable" rates with medical providers and then basically gives them a gag order to keep them from discussing costs with patients. But since I get billed after the rates are changed (insurance pays nothing until a very high deductible is met) I get to know what the insurance typically pays the doctor for whatever the service is.
Doctors get about 1/3 of what they bill from the insurance company. A bill for $100 gets reduced to about $30. Lab work is absolutely insane. I had $800 worth of blood work reduced to $28 recently. $28 was all the lab ultimately got paid and they where fine to get it. I asked what would happen if I didn't have any insurance, they said I would be responsible for the entire amount!! Cash patients pay $800 for what insurance pays $28. That was one example of how the billing worked for a "$30,000" overnight hospital stay I had. The bills are inflated and the insurance ends up paying only a small percentage of what it looks like they are paying. I doubt that asprin comes anything close to costing the insurance company $100.
The system is messed up because 85% of the people are on plans like yours with co-pays that keep you from being an informed consumer. Free market is dead. Paying cash is not a reasonable option.
We needed a complete overhaul of the system but the majority of the people didn't want to give up employer sponsored insurance. And I absolutely don't blame them!! In the American health care system, employer insurance plans are the only decent way to get health care. So without doing a complete overhaul, all HCR really could do was bring similar tax subsidies and protections to those that buy insurance as individuals.
tdkarabatsos.... You post here and trumpet, "We are not Republicans. We are the new America." Get it other people? If you are not with them you are not part of America anymore. You are not an American anymore. If you do not say what they say and do what they say you are not an American anymore. These are words from a would-be dictatorship.
Lara,
Employer provided health insurance is possibly the major problem with the system. Auto insurance is not an employee benefit, why should health insurance be one?
That said, I would also say that several other issues would need to be addressed to make it possible to divorce health insurance from having a job.
boftx, Thank you for continuing to discuss this with me.
There is an important distinction between auto or home insurance and health insurance. A car accident or house fire, etc is a one time event that happens quickly and then it's over. Even if you have multiple car accidents to increase your rates for bad driving, each event is a one time thing and the worst that could happen to you is you would not be able to afford insurance and (hopefully) stop driving.
Health problems can start at any time from birth till death and they often require long term, ongoing costly care. Just like you can't buy fire insurance while your house is burning down, you can't reasonably expect to buy private health insurance when you are already sick. If you do manage to get into an individual policy before you have preexisting conditions, you pretty much are stuck with it forever, because you certainly won't be able to change once you develop health problems.
If we eliminated employer sponsored health insurance completely, without the provisions in the new health care reform, I am sorry, but I am 95% sure that you would not be able to buy individual insurance with your previous heart attack. My guess is that probably half of the people over 40 might have a hard time getting insurance, plus all the young people with preexisting conditions...that is a whole lot of people without access to health care in this country.
Buying health insurance as an individual in the private for-profit system just doesn't work without strict regulations and, unfortunately, the dreaded mandates. You can't "force" insurance companies to cover people with preexisting conditions without some assurance that they won't intentionally wait until they get sick before signing up.
Employer sponsored health insurance is still the best deal around. But I think we also have a responsibility to make decent and affordable insurance available to people who do not happen to work in the big companies that offer insurance. HCR may mean slightly more government intervention to get it going, but the result is every American citizen will be able to start their own business, work for small, growing companies, reduce hours or (if they are financially able) retire early knowing they can still have decent access to health care.
The way to stop paying for autism is to stop putting poisons inside the vaccines. Also, Congress no longer makes vaccine makers pay for injuries to children-taxpayers get the bill, now.