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Why a vote for Sharron Angle could steer Senate to the left

Conservatives’ effort to oust Reid might result in more liberal action on weighty Nevada issues

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Senate Majority Whip Richard Durbin, D-Ill., left, and Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., right, listen as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., speaking at a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, April 22, 2010.

2010 General Election

Zip Code
Party Affilliation
Democrat — 60.9%
Republican — 19.1%
Independent — 15.2%
Other — 2.3%
Tea Party of Nevada — 0.8%
Green — 0.7%
Libertarian — 0.7%
Independent American Party — 0.3%
Who are you voting for in the U.S. Senate race?
Harry Reid — 70.7%
Sharron Angle — 26.9%
Scott Ashjian — 1.1%
Wil Stand — 0.5%
Tim Fasano — 0.3%
Jesse Holland — 0.3%
Jeffrey C. Reeves — 0.3%
Michael L. Haines — 0%
Who are you voting for in the Nevada gubernatorial race?
Rory Reid — 61.6%
Brian Sandoval — 32.3%
David Scott Curtis — 2.9%
Eugene "Gino" Disimone — 1.1%
Aaron Y. Honig — 0.8%
Floyd Fitzgibbons — 0.7%
Arthur Forest Lampitt Jr. — 0.6%
Who are you voting for in the U.S. House District 3 race?
Dina Titus — 66.2%
Joe Heck — 29.4%
Barry Michaels — 2.1%
Joseph P. Silvestri — 1.9%
Scott David Narter — 0.5%

This poll is closed, see Full Results »

Note: This is not a scientific poll. The results reflect only the opinions of those who chose to participate.

While Republican Sharron Angle has called Harry Reid a liberal voice for special interests, it is Angle who may become the best friend of liberals in Washington should she defeat the majority leader.

As the Senate’s top-ranking Democrat, Reid serves a dual role in Washington: representative of Nevada and chief driver of the Senate agenda.

Take Reid away and there will be a new man at the wheel. And any way you slice it, that man is going to have a history of bending further to the left than Reid, which could have implications for national policy that would play out in Nevada.

As poorly as Democrats are expected to do on Election Day, it’s highly unlikely the party will lose control of the U.S. Senate. So if Angle deposes Reid — which no one in official Democratic circles is yet willing to publicly acknowledge could happen — that sets off almost immediately a firestorm over who should ascend to the caucus leadership: Illinois’ Dick Durbin, who ranks No. 2, or New York’s Chuck Schumer, who is No. 3.

Neither Schumer nor Durbin is a lock for the job should Reid lose, but their left-leaning reputations alone have been enough for some Nevada Republicans to take a stand against Angle.

State Sen. Dean Rhoads, a Republican who pitched his support to Reid last week, did so in large part because he said he didn’t want to see the reins of the U.S. Senate handed over to a “liberal from New York City.”

“You may not like everything Harry Reid stands for, but I can guarantee you that Chuck Schumer cannot find Elko or Ely on a map,” Rhoads wrote in his endorsement of Reid.

Nor does either man seem inclined to watch out for Nevada’s interests the way Reid has.

For that reason, the Angle effect of turning the Senate leadership more liberal doesn’t just concern matters of lofty ideology. It also hits home on several niche issues that affect Nevada.

On issues like mining, and especially Yucca Mountain, Reid actually broke from his party, and as leader, prevented initiatives widely supported by Democrats from moving forward.

Of particular note is the ongoing debate over what to do with the byproducts of nuclear energy — an increasingly important energy investment area for senators representing large metropolises like Chicago and New York City. While Obama promised during his campaign to keep Yucca Mountain nuclear-free, many lawmakers who support the project have speculated that he’s done so mostly as a favor to Reid.

“Obama is seeking to kill Yucca Mountain before it opens not because it is good for the American people, but because it is good for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid,” wrote Wisconsin Republican Jim Sensenbrenner, who is the ranking member on the House’s Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, in an op-ed piece that ran in the Capitol Hill publication Roll Call last year.

With Reid gone, it’s possible that Obama could bend on his position as a favor to another, closer senator — especially if that senator pushes the point.

Perhaps nobody is closer to Obama than Durbin, the senior half of the Illinois Senate delegation during Obama’s years in the Senate.

While Durbin shares Nevadans’ concerns about nuclear transport — Chicago is, after all, one of the most congested rail transportation hubs in the country — he has testified in the past that he does support Yucca Mountain as a final nuclear repository, once secure transportation routes are in place.

“Everyone agrees that we need to find a safe and permanent way to store this material,” he said in an op-ed piece that ran in the Chicago Tribune in 2002. “We should move forward with making Yucca Mountain the central repository for our nation’s nuclear waste.”

Illinois has 11 active nuclear reactors, five of which are near Chicago, and New York has six — all of which produce waste that needs to be transported .

That’s why Durbin “if anything, would be for Yucca,” said Eric Herzik, a UNR professor. And, “I don’t think Schumer would say, ‘We have to remember Harry’s legacy and stop this thing,’ ” he added.

Durbin has also pushed back against Reid when it comes to hard-rock mining, an area where Reid’s pro-industry position is more regularly in line with Republicans. In 1999, Durbin joined fellow Democrats John Kerry of Massachusetts and Patty Murray of Washington to attempt to block an extension of the 1872 Mining Law that had been proposed by Republicans. Eventually it was Reid, along with Alaskan Republican Ted Stevens, who circumvented the motion.

And in 2009, legislation was proposed, and backed by the Obama administration, to force mining companies to pay more royalties to the government. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said at the time, “There is a new administration in town, and we want to see the 1872 mining law reformed.”

But Reid has prevented any such bill from coming to a vote under his watch.

Democrats by and large support updating and stiffening regulations of the hard-rock mining industry, widely accepted to be one of the most environmentally unfriendly areas of the mining industry. But of the states where hard-rock mining takes place — mostly in the Intermountain West and Alaska — there are few Democratic representatives. In fact, aside from senators from Montana, Reid is the only Democrat to represent the Intermountain West, and Mark Begich — a first-termer — is from Alaska.

Even with similar voting records, there are differences. Durbin is the more experienced choice: as majority whip — a position Reid also held in the party before graduating to its top Senate spot — he’s had experience managing the floor and working with complex and oftentimes arcane procedure.

“He’s like Reid in that he’s cautious and careful ... and kind of an easygoing guy with a sense of humor,” said Steven Smith, a political science professor at Washington University in St. Louis. “Schumer’s more the type likely to get a brilliant idea in the shower and walk into the office in the morning and try to exercise a bold stroke. He’s going to be a little more unpredictable.”

Durbin also would fall more in line, personality-wise, with the march of past majority leaders, a list that is more or less devoid of dominating dynamos. Preceding Reid, they were: Tom Daschle, George Mitchell, Robert Byrd.

“A lot of it has to do with sharing spotlight. Senators love to be in the limelight … and Reid gives other senators the opportunity to be out in front,” Baker said. “That’s something I think Dick Durbin is better at than Schumer.”

But Schumer has the power of success, having served as Democratic Senatorial Committee chairman when the party took over the majority, a process that has made him close to many newer lawmakers in the caucus.

As close as they are to Reid, neither Durbin nor Schumer has shown himself willing to undercut him while his seat is still in play.

Durbin, who told reporters this week that “I feel good” about Reid’s chances of winning, has in fact rolled up his sleeves and aided his beleaguered senator, holding fundraisers in Chicago and Washington, D.C., campaigning for Reid in Nevada — he was here Friday — and donating $10,000 from his own political action committee to Reid’s campaign, as well as $5,000 to the Nevada Democratic Party.

Schumer's donations to the Nevada Democratic Party have come directly from his personal campaign account, which so far have amounted to more than $250,000, an impressive figure. He's expected to match that with a similarly sized contribution in the remaining days before the election.

In the case of a Reid loss, however, it may not take long for whatever angling has been going on behind the scenes to reveal itself, or at least for the heirs apparent to make their pitches for support. Reid, after all, did the same when Daschle lost in 2004.

Some speculate that either Durbin or Schumer would be a better choice to lead than the un-electric Reid, especially if the senior senator barely ekes out a victory. But absent a revolt by voters in Nevada, it’s unlikely that Reid will face a reckoning.

“Harry Reid hasn’t been a drag on other Democratic senators the way Nancy Pelosi has been on Democratic House members,” said Ross Baker, an expert on Congress and professor at Rutgers University. “And whatever Sharron Angle may say about him, you don’t find Republican challengers in other states making a big deal about Harry Reid.”

CORRECTION: This story originally reported Schumer had not contributed directly to Reid’s campaign from his fund, but had donated to national Democratic organizations helping to fund Reid’s campaign. It was changed to note that Schumer has made donations of more than $250,000 to the Nevada Democratic Party from his personal campaign account. | (October 29, 2010)

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  1. Karoun Demirjian must have taken some pretty deep drags on the good stuff before committing the pen to this piece. But of course he also believes that Searchlight Harry saved the world from depression. Liberals do live in a different world than the real world.

  2. For Nevada to give up the Senate Majority leader (considering the current & projected state of the economy) would be the equivalence of mass political suicide.

    With Republican control (and Nevada with a fledgling senator with various psychiatric problems), the end will likely come quickly...Nevada's, then National bankruptcy.

    At least with the birdbrain Democrats, it buys time for a great leader to appear with a great advisory staff and a really big flashlight to show us the way out of this Bushfire.

    Yeah, yeah, I know...I'm dreaming.

    Go away...leave me alone.

  3. Schumer was on the "GE Colege Bowl" as a kid...very smart

    he went on ultra right winger radio talker Michael Savage's radio show to successfully oppose the "Dubai Ports Deal" ..so he is capable of making any type of coalition needed to deal with an issue

    he is far more anti-gun than Reid..

    And he will direct the pork and the earmarks to NY while Angle stands like a deer cuaght in the headlights....

  4. mred...very good.

  5. Enjoyed the article.

    But what amazes me is the nutball ultra-conservative right wingnut commentators that have to leave something here. Not just here, but on all these articles that mention Senator Reid.

    It's just a constant barrage. And usually from the same sources. Attack, attack, attack.

    The way you idiots paint Senator Reid, you must think he's the anti-Christ, Michael Myers from the Halloween movie series, Godzilla and Jason Voorhees from Friday the 13th all rolled into one.

    Not sure if people understand, but this constant groping for something to hate Reid on is getting ridiculous.

    And all Senator Reid is guilty of is that he is associated with a President that is trying to fix this economy. An economy that it is guaranteed is not going to get fixed overnight. Senator Reid has nothing but the best interests of Nevada at heart, as well as the nation. And he is a powerful voice. One that all of us are proud to have represent Nevada.

    But you ultra right wingers all try to paint a false picture of him.

    And the funny thing is that none of the commenters have even the slightest bit of praise for the certifiable whackball Sharron Angle!

    And I'd be willing to bet a lot of these commenters aren't going to vote. And I'd also say they are not from Nevada. But they sure are Republican butt kissers that have an agenda to seek out the destruction of Senator Reid.

    It's true. Because the slightest mention of Senator Reid and there's this veritable flood of rhetoric. Senator Reid would go into a restaurant and you knuckleheads would be screaming that Senator Reid didn't wipe his feet when he went in and how could he be like that and have no care and no feeling for the owners of that establishment.

    Anyways... I'm just pointing all this stupidity out. And I'm pretty sure every one else sees this too. Not going to stop, but I just think it's hilarious to see some of these one sided neo-conservative comments.

    Of course, my vote goes for sanity. Senator Reid. And not tea.

  6. So much more frightening, is that 20 years ago, a 'Sharron Angle' would not be on the ballot in all probability. If such a person did make it, they might get 5% of the vote.

    The fact that she is above 5% demonstrates that Nevada has a large, suicidal and irrational population and this will be noticed by TECHNOLOGY and TECHNOLOGISTS who will stay away by the DROVES. Those already living here will be considering a move to other states where sanity prevails and take their industries with them.

    Nevada will be stuck with the scrappers, recyclers, rock crushers and the Barnaby Rats that show up when ever the air stagnates.

    Nevada Real Estate will not recover for another 10 to 20 years. Time to give the house back to the bank and move on.

  7. Of course the Right has not figured this out yet. Not the unintellectual, tea bagging right. They only know how to regurgatate sound bites fed to them by Fox News, Newt and Cheney. If they truely studied the issues we would not even have Angle in the radar.

    Voted the dumbest state recently, the wingnuts that would vote for Angle are proving it right.

  8. "Voted the dumbest state recently, the wingnuts that would vote for Angle are proving it right."

    Ding, ding, ding!!!!

  9. The VA Hospital, Bypass Bridge, City Halls, Mob Museum, I15 upgrade....you'll see fewer projects like this if Angle gets in...Ensign and Heller are not against earmarked pork like the Monorail or the Hoover Dam Visitors Center, etc. Angle will really be isolated...

  10. Something that some need to understand is that even the GOP does not want Ms. Angle. They are throwing millions behind her because they want Mr. Reid OUT!

    It is not for the good of Nevada or even the country, it is all partisan politics's being played here.

    Most of the MAJOR GOP players have stayed as far away from Ms. Angle as possible and they are going to do the same thing once she is elected. She will have no power to get anything done.

    I don't agree with everything Mr. Reid has done the last couple of years but I fear more what is going to happen to Nevada if Ms. Angle is there.

  11. I'll be upfront, I'm from Michigan. I do spend a lot of time and money in Nevada and probably know N
    evada better than my home state.
    As for Mr. Reid, I think he's done as Leader of the Senate win or lose. The other Democratic Senators are fed up with his leadership, they want a stronger presence. There will be rules changes in the Senate this term, such as eliminating the 60 vote super-majority. Harry Reid is good for Nevada based on his seniority alone. Sharon Angle will bring nothing home for the next six years.

    Nevadan's need to look at their best interests and research the right and left and make an informed decision, not a sound bite decision.

    One thing for sure Nevada needs Harry and the U.S. needs Harry.

    Good Luck Nevada

  12. Sorry Karoun, I think the calculus is completely different. While the leadership could change, the general demeanor of the Senate will shift radically to the right.

    Why? Because tea party zealots threw solid conservative candidates out the window in favor of extremists who checked all the boxes on their ideological purity tests.

    Of course republicans will win seats next Tuesday. No matter what, the argument will be that the tea party has arrived. The problem with that is that this new party-within-a-party will have a stranglehold on the primary process.

    To their credit, the tea party zealots are motivated and involved, and will turn out in primaries. The incumbents on the right and in the middle who will be running in 2012 will shift to the right in an attempt to save their seats and to stave off potential Christine O'Donnells.

  13. Interesting that all of the ad spots surrounding this article are covered bt anti Angle ads. I'm no big fan of Schumer, but I do respect the man for going on air with right wing Michael Savage a couple years ago to oppose the Dubai Port takeover, He (and Savage) did put what was best for the country ahead of personal differences. Anyone who honestly believes that ANY politician, right or left is going to take away their Social Security (as stated on the anti Angle ads on these pages) is not thinking clearly.

  14. A good article about Sharron in the Phila. Inquirer today.
    http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/...

    I hope their not going to sue me. Oh, that's only the Review-Journal doing that.

  15. If Democrats go further to the left they won't win in 2012.

    Paul, Righthaven doesn't sue if you put up a link, they sue if you post the text of entire articles.

    Kevin, those so called solid conservatives you now praise you once railed against for their stance on the war in Iraq and bailouts and subsidies for big corporate welfare schemes...

    America is moving libertarian - ie small government fiscally and small government socially. The first party to figure that out wins.

  16. "Paul, Righthaven doesn't sue if you put up a link, they sue if you post the text of entire articles."

    Not true, actually. Might want to read up on the actual lawsuits. I believe they're suing Democratic Underground for posting 4 paragraphs out of a 30-paragraph article.

    "Kevin, those so called solid conservatives you now praise you once railed against for their stance on the war in Iraq and bailouts and subsidies for big corporate welfare schemes..."

    Spin it all you want, Patrick. I never praised them for BEING solid conservatives, I just noted that they voted for historically conservative principles. Check your spin at the door and don't put words into my mouth.

    Paul Ryan voted for TARP. Does one vote disqualify you as being a conservative? It seems you, too, have an rigidly ideological purity test.

    "America is moving libertarian - ie small government fiscally and small government socially. The first party to figure that out wins."

    Poll after poll shows the general public sees and supports government's role in regulation and oversight. Poll after poll shows the general public approves of things like Social Security, Medicare, SCHIP, and numerous other programs you would gladly sacrifice.

    This is what every election is about: what are the small percentage of Americans involved in the political process feeling at the moment. When you look at the United States at large, it's a different picture, with different priorities.

    Get out of the echo chamber and into the real world.

  17. Reid this time, Durbin and Schumer next. The target may shift, the match goal remains the same: A government of the people, by the people and for the people.

    The goal of progressives also remains the same: A government of itself, by itself and for itself. One that would force it's desires down Americans throat regardless of Americans desires.

    Progressives believe as Bill Maher so succinctly admonished when he said, (I paraphrase) - most Americans are too stupid to understand and we have to drag them to it.

    The next two elections can't come too soon.

  18. Check your polls and spin again Kevin... Poll after poll shows Americans increasingly disprove of Congress. Poll after poll continues to show that ObamaCare isn't popular - and never was. poll after poll shows young people don't believe social security will be around to benefit them when they retire..

  19. America is going libertarian? I hear America cry for government like a bunch of stuck pigs after the Gulf Oil Spill...and after the California wildfires, etc.

    My eggs have salmonella! government do something..

    My family was incinerated by a gas pipe line! Government do something!

    My Toyota accelerated by itself! Government do something!

    My kid just died in his stroller! Government do something!

    My mortgage is fraudulently written! Government do something!

    Bernie Madoff stole my money! Government do something!

    The country wants government, they are just too hypocritical to admit it.

    Oh and Angle? The anti-alcohol, government in your bedroom, anti-right to chose Angle, who gets her government retirement check and her government medical care.

    She's a libertarian?

    Looks like some "libertarian" stink tankers are in the "libertarian loco weed" again.

  20. "Poll after poll shows Americans increasingly disprove of Congress. Poll after poll continues to show that ObamaCare isn't popular - and never was. poll after poll shows young people don't believe social security will be around to benefit them when they retire.."

    None of which disproves or disputes what I wrote, Patrick. I argued that Social Security, Medicare, SCHIP and other social/interventionist programs are increasingly popular, and there is no opinion mandate to limit or eliminate any of them, contrary to your declaration that the U.S. is on a path toward libertarianism.

    In fact, in regard to SCHIP, public sentiment thinks the evil, interventionist program which provides insurance to kids should be expanded, not limited.

    http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?do...

    Disapproval of Congress has nothing to do with libertarianism, nor is it proof of some sort of path to libertarianism. Health Care reform's popularity has remained pretty steady... funny that over $100 million has been spent against it AFTER it has passed.

    And this poll, in particular, is proof you're still listening to the echo chamber, rather than actual public opinion:

    "A new AP poll finds that Americans who think the [health care reform] law should have done more outnumber those who think the government should stay out of health care by 2-to-1."

    That poll was taken last month and shows public interest in GREATER government intervention, not less. That path to libertarianism sure looks strange to me.

    The potential of Social Security to exist when "young people" retire does not refute, nor refuidate, the program's popularity. In fact, the refusal of so-called libertarians like Sharron Angle to declare their true intentions on Social Security is evidence that a path to libertarianism is very, very unpopular.

    Do you think Paul Ryan is conservative?

  21. Colin: You seem to prove your own point so effectively one would wonder that if Harry Reid suddenly came to a stop from a fast gait we'd probably next hear the sound of your face scrunching between a pair of cheeks. And we're not "seeking out the destruction of Senator Reid" we're seeking a way to save our Republic from becoming a cesspool welfare state where cigarette smoking, pinkie pointing, expresso drinking malcontents spend their evenings torching cars because the government wants to raise the retirment age to....62.

  22. Kevin,

    First of all, ObamaCare was supposed to be popular by now - Congress thought we were stupid. Its also had a slight downward trend http://reason.com/blog/2010/10/27/obamac...

    Second, I don't know a single libertarian who opposes reforming health care. We have a statist semi government system now. We need a free market health care system. Government intervening to stop its own stupid policies - sounds like libertarianism to me...

    Manipulating or lying about SCHIP is how the Democrats gained any support for it at all. They couldn't even get eligible people to sign up for it so they pushed for an expansion - besides, who would be against free or reduced price health care even if you can afford your own? Come on.

    This wasn't about helping the poor it was the Democrats evil plan (yes, pure evil) to move people off private insurance into government plans to force private rates up further. That is what the ObamaCare is for - push private health insurance rates up so people want government care. Its an wicked plan...

  23. Btw, libertarian in this sense does not mean the party - I'm using it generically to refer to a general body of people who think

    1) The government regulates to much of our economic life
    2) Taxes and spends too much
    and
    3) Regulates too much of our private and personal life

    I also note the irony that you attack some people for their ideological purity tests and you turn around and do the same ideological test to claim there aren't a lot of these people around... Give me a break guys.

  24. Mred,

    Again, you're a dogmatic nut who should probably tone it down.

    "America is going libertarian? I hear America cry for government like a bunch of stuck pigs after the Gulf Oil Spill...and after the California wildfires, etc."

    Right because the government regulations that we already had didn't work...so obviously we need more.

    "My eggs have salmonella! government do something.."

    Right because the government regulations that we already had didn't work...so obviously we need more.

    "My family was incinerated by a gas pipe line! Government do something!"

    Right because the government regulations that we already had didn't work...so obviously we need more.

    "My Toyota accelerated by itself! Government do something!"

    Right because the government regulations that we already had didn't work...so obviously we need more.

    "My kid just died in his stroller! Government do something!"

    Right because the government regulations that we already had didn't work...so obviously we need more.

    My mortgage is fraudulently written! Government do something!

    "Bernie Madoff stole my money! Government do something"

    Right because the government regulations that we already had didn't work...so obviously we need more.

    The country wants government, they are just too hypocritical to admit it.

    "Oh and Angle? The anti-alcohol, government in your bedroom, anti-right to chose Angle, who gets her government retirement check and her government medical care."

    Oh back to the ideolgical purity tests....well I believe Angle isn't going to outlaw alcohol as for rest, privatizing social security is the smart move, the VA is a joke (yes, military personal poke fun of it), and the US Department of Education is a waste of $65 billion a year. Economic freedom, low taxes and capitalism work to produce wealth so at least she's going in the right direction there too.

    Economic freedom is a requisite and a necessary condition of political freedom.

    "Looks like some "libertarian" stink tankers are in the "libertarian loco weed" again."

    Legalizing weed would save us $40 billion a year on incarceration and taxing it would raise $45 billion in revenue. We'd also see fewer lives destroyed since the drug war disproportionately impacts the poor and minorities - but maybe you don't care about them?

  25. Boy, that is hilarious. Why even print any news, why not just wallpaper the entire Las Vegas Sin with anti-Sharron Angle ads?

    I'm doing belly rolls. I see all of you liberals are SCARED. So SCARED you can't even think straight. That's good.

    Reid is HISTORY! Filthy Harry is going to get a foot up his back pew just like his snot nose son.

    Liberalism in America is DEAD!

    Buh-bye!

  26. Wonder why we have so much bullying in America by the kids? Just listen to all the hostile remarks, hatred, name calling and lies by the cesspool of liberals who dominate the government offices, schools, news media and arts (and the gay bars and abortion mills.) They teach America's kids to bully because they are angry with a few fried brain cells of their own.

    Sick pups calling others retard because they fear they won't get their "rights".

    Rights to be abnormal.

    Buh-bye!

  27. "First of all, ObamaCare was supposed to be popular by now"

    No it wasn't. This was the plan all along. Demonize tepid reform as if it's going to kill Grandma and run against it in 2010. That's why $108 million has been spent trying to convince people reform is bad... $108 million being spent AFTER it was signed into law.

    "Opponents of the legislation, including independent groups, have spent $108 million since March to advertise against it, according to Evan L. Tracey, president of the Campaign Media Analysis Group, which tracks advertising. "
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/27/us/pol...

    Again, facts don't support your assertions. See: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...

    "Congress thought we were stupid."

    More spin, rather than facts. I'd say that people who post patently untrue scare tactics like, "McDonald's is going to take away health care because of big bad health care reform!" are the idiots.

    "Government intervening to stop its own stupid policies - sounds like libertarianism to me..."

    Unfortunately, you keep wandering away from your original point. Your original point was that the country is headed toward libertarianism. Contrary to your fact-free assertion, we have actual poll numbers that prove you wrong.

    "A new AP poll finds that Americans who think the [health care reform] law should have done more outnumber those who think the government should stay out of health care by 2-to-1."

    "This wasn't about helping the poor it was the Democrats evil plan (yes, pure evil) to move people off private insurance into government plans to force private rates up further. That is what the ObamaCare is for - push private health insurance rates up so people want government care. Its an wicked plan..."

    More spin, devoid of facts. I note you cited no evidence to support this claim, and I know why. It's pure spin and dogma.

    Come back to Earth, Patrick.

  28. "1) The government regulates to [sic] much of our economic life"

    Again, polls don't seem to agree with you.

    "Two-thirds of Americans support stricter federal regulation of banks and other financial institutions, and by a double-digit margin the public trusts President Obama more than the Republicans in Congress to handle financial reform, which could be a caution flag for the GOP in an election year." That's from ABC News.

    "2) Taxes and spends too much"

    Which I'll tie back to your criticism of SCHIP. The majority of people support it and do not want to see it cut and support its expansion. The majority of people support Social Security. The majority of people support Medicare.

    "3) Regulates too much of our private and personal life"

    Which is why the so-called libertarian candidate supports laws banning gay and lesbian Americans from serving in the military? The so-called libertarian candidate wants to force rape victims to give birth to their attacker's baby? Which is why the so-called libertarian candidate wants to force a national language on us?

    That's some funny definition of libertarian, Pat.

    Your original post claimed that the future was libertarianism. You've yet to show a single piece of evidence to back that up. You've yet to refute a single poll I've presented which shows the general public is in favor of INCREASED intervention by the government, not less.

    As for your claim I'm instituting purity tests, I'm not sure that's true, and patently ridiculous considering I'm the one asking YOU if you think Paul Ryan is conservative.

    But you've been unable to answer that question. We all know why.

  29. 4 major donors for American Crossroads have been exposed...who they are, what they are doing, what they said and what it means to nevadans and americans when democracy is for sale.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgyzalpAk...

  30. Oh my gosh, tigereon. Unbelieveable. Thanks for the link.

    Finally. A whistle blower that reveals the truth about major corporations trying to steal a Senate race in Nevada.

    I've always thought this was about the Yucca Mountain Project (YMP) and a national effort by corporations to throw out Senator Reid.

    This confirms it.

    Get out there and vote, people. Don't let corporations and their Republican lackies do what they want here in Nevada. We got too much to lose if you don't do your thing on November 2nd to stop these bums.

    You gotta understand right now, RIGHT NOW, is the only time we have the power. Corporations can throw money left and right. They can pay off the Republicans to talk for them. But one thing they CANNOT do is...tell us how to vote. It is our right. It is what makes this democracy work.

    We gotta do this. We need to flex our muscle and not let them have their way.

    My vote goes for (and always has been for) Senator Reid. Because I saw this from the beginning how outside forces were trying to steal this election and turn southern Nevada into a nuclear waste toilet receptacle.

    Vote, people. Vote. Stop these pond scum from doing what they want whenever they want.

  31. The Dems barely got their destructive agenda passed with 59 Senators, it's not happening with 51 or 52. And please, please let the Senate try to move further left and 2012 will be a bloodbath similar to the one we are going to see on Tuesday.

  32. Mark my word - if we have a split congress we will go on a spending binge bigger than anything known to mankind. We need the Democrats to help get out of the muck. Elect a bunch of Republicans and we will get in deeper than ever. Ok, this isn't a long post with lots of facts - it is a simple post pleaing for you all to give rationality a chance. Don't vote for this wingnut. I voted for both Reids - give Nevada a chance.

  33. Oh, I hold Angle responsible for the deaths of some senior citizens who she has tried to convince that Obama care will cause them to lose their medicare. A few have had massive coronaries and died. Way to go you morons!