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Friday, Oct. 15, 2010 | 2:01 a.m.
Let’s get the easy part out of the way first:
Sharron Angle won The Big Debate.
Angle won because she looked relatively credible, appearing not to be the Wicked Witch of the West (Christine O’Donnell is the good witch of the Tea Party) and scoring many more rhetorical points. And she won because Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid looked as if he could barely stay on a linear argument, abruptly switching gears and failing to effectively parry or thrust.
Whether the debate affects the outcome — I believe very few Nevadans are undecided — it also perfectly encapsulated the race: An aging senator who has mastered the inside political game but fundamentally does not seem to care about his public role (and is terrible at it) versus an ever-smiling political climber who can deliver message points but sometimes changes her message or denies a previous one even existed.
Look upon these works, ye mighty, and despair.
As I watched the debate, I felt all the years that Nevada has striven to surmount its seamy image fading away as the nation watched this sad spectacle. As Slate’s John Dickerson wryly put it on Twitter: “After watching the Nevada Senate debate I really wish that what happens in Vegas could stay in Vegas.”
I know we Nevadans get our backs up when the national media condescends. We are a proud bunch; we love our state. But as I surveyed the post-mortems in the 140-character world, where concision often yields brutal truth, you could almost sense the head-shaking as the national types opined:
NBC’s Chuck Todd: “Reid’s problem tonight is that while Angle wasn’t great, his performance made her look passable.”
Politico’s Dave Catanese: “Utterly subpar.”
Political Wire’s Taegan Goddard: “Reid didn’t knock out Angle but she had him on the ropes. Have to give the edge to Angle ...”
Political writer Taylor Marsh may have summed it up best: “Sharron Angle passed the ‘I’m not crazy test’ with flying colors. Focused too. This lady just might pull this off. Reid didn’t take her out.”
But did he take himself out, once and for all, with his dismissiveness, his sarcastic and loopy use of “my friend” and Senatese, his shifting of subjects in the middle of thoughts, beginning with his opening statements?
It is difficult to say beyond CSPAN watchers being appalled across the country — and probably sending checks to The $14 Million Woman as they watched — if the debate had any electoral effect. But Reid, as he did with a veterinarian named John Ensign 12 years ago, seemed almost in disbelief that he was on the same stage with Angle. If it was possible, I think he would have had a Bush 41 look-at-my-watch moment.
There was much revisionist history in the debate by both candidates, but, as usual, mostly from Angle. Reid called a man he once all but called a liar (Gen. David Petraeus) and a man he did call a liar and loser (Bush 43) his friends. But he also used that collegial term to refer to Angle, as if he were speaking to some senator he despises (they do that on the floor).
But Angle, as she often does, when confronted with previous positions from abolishing the Education Department to phasing out Social Security and Medicare, just plows ahead as if her reinvention project is perfectly believable. If she says she never said it, maybe she never did — unless, as has so often happens but could not Thursday, someone plays Warner Wolf and goes to the videotape.
The most striking example was when moderator Mitch Fox asked her about calling the unemployed “spoiled.” Angle claimed Reid “mischaracterized” what she had said. What? She has apologized for making the comment.
My guess, though, is no one noticed as Reid didn’t point that out (hello, debate prep) and didn’t effectively deconstruct many of her automaton-like message points. She just kept coming and coming — Obamacare, Obamacare, Obamacare — the Tea Party’s and Nevada’s Energizer Bunny who never, ever stops running.
I still find it incredible that more has not been made of Angle’s most egregious statement this campaign — and it didn’t even come up Thursday — which was her assertion in Mesquite this month that Sharia law had been imposed in two American cities, one of which doesn’t even exist. This Muslim-baiting, noxious construction has been ignored by all but a few news outlets (kudos to CNN), and her answer is almost more astounding: She read it somewhere so she repeated it.
That is crazy, folks. But that’s not how she came across Thursday, as Reid failed to call her on that and many other topics, making it more likely he has to make an unthinkable call to her on Election Night.
I felt very differently watching the debate. Rude Pundit summed up things quite well:
Reid: "Here's stuff I really did."
Angle: "Random Tea Party talking point."
Reid: "Here's more stuff I did."
Angle: "Obamacare."
That about says her entire plan as U.S. Senator.
Which, God help us all, might be just what Nevadans want.
Reid sealed his fate when we didn't answer a simple "yes" or "no" question not once, but twice. Mitch did him no favors by giving him a pass on those.
As if that wasn't bad enough, one of the nights only gaffes came when Reid said "English is the official language" instead of saying "yes" or "no".
Angle wins not because she was great, but because Reid was only so-so.
is it uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh or duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh sharon? was that opening statement you or a robot . Harry won with facts not retoric .
Folks, I'd prefer that the Republicans had nominated a stronger candidate than Sharon Angle too. But ANYONE would be better than another 6 years of Harry Reid!!!!
Reid displayed the senility that has driven his decision making for the last 2-4 years. Sharron has the ideas that will create the climate to recover Nevada's economy even if she lacks the polish to present them concisely. The scam of stealing the wealth of this Country by the progressive agenda comes to a halt November 2nd., but it will be 2012 before the repair can begin. The Federal midterm elections were decided last night and Joe Heck will benefit from this also.
It's now time to begin the search for intelligent, virtuous, candidates that will represent Nevada in 2012. Out with Washington business as usual. In with prosperity for America.
Keep the pedal to the floor, we need to set electoral records across this Country to restore our greatness.
November Is Coming !
Umm, that would be Warner Wolf.
Can we be honest here - Reed got his clock cleaned. It was embarrassing and I just couldn't get enough of it.
More debates is what we need - this time on paid-TV - money can be made with entertainment like this.
Honestly, anytime a debate revolves around logic and not touchy-feely socialist bilge the Dummycrat get his clock cleaned.
Ain't it great....:-)
I dont think Angle was any different than her wacko ads she puts out. all responses were canned and the same flip flop crap she has been peddeling all along. She was rude to Harry on several occasions. I can't imagine why anyone would vote for this wacko
Hey Jon;
witch debate were you watching?
No, Harry Reid is not a showman on stage.
In fact, he looked a little disorganized and doesn't play to the camera well. He's no great communicator.
That said, I sure liked the SUBSTANCE of Reid versus the shallow, callow, TeaSpeak of Angle.
Does Harry deserve anything less than rude? Of course he does. He's earned it.
PLEASE, NEVADA, don't give this country 6 more years of Harry Reid. This man is responsible for pushing through a devastating string of bad legislation including Obamacare. He won't get what he really deserves but at least you can send him to the back of the unemployment line!
btw... I'm a Kentuckian who will be in Las Vegas next week attending a conference. See you in front of the Bellagio fountains!
I think this is rather simple. If the people in Nevada like the policies of the current administration and would like them continued Harry Reid is your man. He is the majority leader of the Senate and is directly responsible for many of the current policies. If you do not like the current policies of the administration than by all means cast your vote for Ms Angle. It can not be more cut and dry.
I agree with UHave2laff wholeheartedly. No matter what the question was, Angle cited "Obamacare" as her answer. She never once stated what she would do if she were elected, relying only on her talking points. Mitch Fox tried to get her on track several times, in order to get a real answer from her, but she was unable or unwilling to address the lies and insinuations that have been the basis of her ads.
I'm left wondering what debate gmag39 watched!
And it's "Warner Wolf" rather than "Warren" who memorialized the "Let's go to the Tape" phrase.
And I've discovered a drawback to being an atheist - I have no one to pray to, begging some magical power in the sky to keep Harry Reid out of the Senate! I guess I'll just have to rely on the wisdom of the Nevada voters.
I missed the debate, but I've watched Senator Reid on the Senate floor through the years. Did anyone ask Reid if he STILL believes we've lost in Iraq?
Psst ..... Jon re "Warren Wolf": It's Warner Wolf. Having been born & raised in NYC I practically grew up listening to him say this. Thanks for the trip down memory lane :)
I have to agree with boftx (as much as it pains me) ... Reid should have completely eliminated any doubt about Angle & her rhetoric ..... but he didn't. He came across as the insider the right wing is claiming. Doesn't matter if Angle simply spouted Rovian Rhetoric (have they trademarked that phrase yet?); matters even less that she refuses her very own reality.
Look, I thought she looked & sounded about as loopy as one could be. She was oh-so-obviously reciting her GOP talking points from memory (you could tell by the stumbles in her speeches). *I* know that. *Ralston* knows that. *gmag* and everyone else on this thread who's HONEST knows that.
But Joe & Jane Public (who get their "news" and "facts" from AM radio blowhards, etc.) don't CARE about that.
It was up to Reid to deliver the knockout punch and he didn't do it.
I love these people who think Angle could somehow be more destructive than Reid, Obama, et al. Democrats always portray themselves as the smartest people in the room, yet they screw up all they touch. Address that statement first, libs, then you can launch into your attacks on Bush.
Let me add this (hopefully) before anyone jumps all over me.
Most people with an IQ over 100 go for substance over style (in this context I'm talking about Angle's and the rightwing's version "style" anyway). But her base (and the bulk of the rightwing base) doesn't care about substance. They're all about rhetoric and talking points.
You're talking about a group of people who STILL think Reagan's Reign was actually good for this country. They COMPLETELY (and quite intentionally in most cases) overlook the massive deficit, the rampant (and actual!) corruption, etc. This is a group of people who believe that Bush the Junior was a fabulous leader (hell, they believe he actually WAS a leader) and that Nixon was "unfairly targeted" (I swear I've seen this written somewhere, though I can't remember where).
These people don't care about actual facts; their version of facts and history (usually re-written history) is all that matters to them.
They know what they know, the facts be damned.
Reid had a (the?) prime opportunity to bury Angle, and he didn't. He's NOT a good "speechifier". Going back to those with an IQ over 100, we know that's not what's important. Hell, Angle reminded me in so many ways of Bush the Junior; stumbling over words and occasionally forgetting what she memorized.
But her base isn't going to see any of that. They refuse to see any of that just as they refuse reality.
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Jon. It's pretty hard to be proud of Harry Reid. For whatever positive he's done for the state of Nevada he has unleashed negative on the rest of the country and people are mad. Not everyone but a heck of a lot and for whatever Angle is or isn't she represents a chance to rid the COUNTRY of Reid. Simple stuff. Reid showed his elitist self and further proved why he needs to go. What's unreal is that Nevada could only produce a Sharon Angle to compete. Come on, out of the whole darn state??? That's the big story nationwide and why is it it so? Because of what professional politics has become I suspect. Who wants to have their name smeared, their integrity grilled and fried, their past dredged, their family defamed etc etc. Say what you want about Angle but she had the courage to stand up when 99.9999% of Nevadans sat on their hands. Whichever Nevada gets, it deserves but a guy like Reid has and continues to negatively impact ALL Americans and yes, Ye Mighty.... We despair
who is Warren Wolf? there's a Wolf named Warner that's been "going to the video tape"for about 50 years. Not sure about Warren though.
Hey "njgop", you might have wanted to read the thread before showing just what "njgop" produces (hint: it's not good).
IOW (because I know you need this spelled out for you), you might want to consider taking great care in calling anyone ELSE an "idiot".
Do ANY of you out-of-staters bother to read the thread BEFORE you post?????
Patricia
Here are some facts: We are spending ourselves into oblivion. THe government does not create jobs, the private sector creates job. As far as your IQ comment that is typical of the far left elitist attitude. THe way you talk down to people, you are either in the education field or in the government field. It is speak such as this that most of the this country can not take anymore. Like I said before if you believe we are heading in the right direction with Obama/Reid/Pelosi than vote for Senator Reid.
As far as the Reagan years his policies spurred an economic prosperity this country has rarely seen. The problem with our government is not the amount of money they take in it is all about the money they spend. This includes Republicans as well as Democrats.
The argument of, their stupid and we are of supeior intellect is very old and worn. For the last four years Reid and Pelosi have run the congress for the last two years the have had President Obama. I have stated for a long time, if your policies are so great and will do so much good for the American People (Single Payer Healthcare, Cap and Trade,Tax increases etc etc) pass them you have the votes and when they turn out so great you will be elected for enternity. Also stand behind your great accomplishments if they are so great. But to use the tired phrases.... their stupid, they hate the poor, they are going throw gradma out in the street. Those days are over. People can get information. So far the people are saying these policies are not working and in less than a month the unmeployment line in Nevada will include Senator Reid
This has become a 2 step process - Harry needs to go now, and we need to find someone better than Angle next time.
jpete66:
So where are you from? Two posts and they're both on this thread. Sigh.
Tell me, did the out-of-control spending of the Reagan or Bush the Junior years bother you this much?
As to "the private sector creates jobs", well where are they? Didn't Bush (and everyone in his administration) tell us that those tax cuts for the wealthy were going to CREATE jobs? So where are they? As to your comment about "most of the country", well, sorry if I'm a little suspect of your stats.
As to Reagan, that's the history rewrite I spoke of; no need to respond there because no matter what facts are actually put in front of you, you will refuse them.
That last paragraph is, sorry, nothing more than GOP talking points; the same "tired phrases" we've been hearing pretty much since Obama took office.
And yet not one of you has an actual plan of what you'd do differently. We NEVER hear any specifics from the rightwing; just more of those "tired phrases".
Sharron Angle did very well, dispelling the notion that she is too extreme for Nevada, Senator Reid lied once again, he said that English is the official language for the United States, There is no official legal Language for Nevada, Nevada is 1 on 23 states who have not declared English as it official language, Senator Reid help to make sure of that when he voted NO on making English the official language for the United States Government, Senator Reid said " English is the official Language". time out for his lies
Angle scored a knockover over the senile old fool.
[.]Let's get the easy part out of the way first: Sharron Angle won The Big Debate[.]
Jon, you finally got it right! The conservative calls for you to Man-UP were not made in vain.
What happened?
Ralston has finally ran an article that slams Reid a lot and somewhat supports Angle.
It must be really cold in hell.
I did not watch the debate.
But if Ralston thinks she won then she won big time.
The Reid camp and the pro-Democratic media (which is almost all of it) has been calling her the crazy lady for months now. There are two reasons why that was a dangerous thing to do.
The first reason is that one of the legs for her winning the debate is just be a plain-old person. That was a very advantage that the Reid camp and media including Ralston has been building up over the months. It helped her win the debate before the very few undecides out there.
The second reason is that some independents actually believe in some of her points that Reid and the media are calling crazy. So they have been insulting voters that they need to vote for Reid.
Good job media. Keep up the great work!!!!!
hey baldone, look around. Iranian influence has reached the Mediterranean. Why? Because we destroyed Iraq which had kept it bottled up. We did this in response to a terrorist attack to which it had NO connection at all. We did this because we fabricated an idea that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and it had NONE. Our "victory" consists of having spent somewhere between 3 and 5 TRILLION Dollars knocking apart one country with the unintended consequence that an aggressive, terrorist-supporting, on-the-way-to-being Nuclear weaponized Imperial State has been given free rein to work mischief.
(Oh, if we went to war in Iraq for the largest existing undeveloped reserves of cheap-to-produce oil, the development and production rights have been awarded by Iraq to Russian, Chinese, and French companies.)
But the expenses of the Iraq War were left unfunded. A "Republican" administration cut taxes temporarily to "stimulate the economy." That led to a capital crisis misreported as a Housing Bubble. The result was an economic meltdown which still hasn't completed its course.
Take a look around -- a good, hard, honest look. Our economy has been severely damaged, our strategic power has been and continues to be cannibalized, and our real enemies are starting to run amok. Are those the signs of victory? Or are they traditional markers of defeat?
And when our former adversary lends us money and builds factories here to create American jobs using technology we invented, is it anything but the "Marshall Plan" for the vanquished?
I don't like Reid -- never have. But I won't vote for a hypocrite or an idiot.
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Sorry; forgot to address that "superiority" thing.
I am neither in government nor education; I am self-employed in the PRIVATE SECTOR.
Perhaps I could have phrased that better than I did. But *in my experience*, all I've seen from this group of people is such gems of policy initiatives as:
1. An anti-flag-burning amendment. Yes, an actual AMENDMENT to the Bill of Rights that makes it illegal to burn a U.S. flag. Apparently, it didn't matter that the last time anyone saw a US flag being burned by a US citizen here in the US was probably the early 1970s.
2. A Defense of Marriage amendment. Yes, an actual AMENDMENT to the Bill of Rights that defines "marriage" as ONLY between a man and a woman. (Addendum to this: the "homosexual agenda". Do you happen to have a copy of that? I'd love to read it to see what that's all about.)
3. Talking points; tired old talking points. The current ones are "record spending" (I addressed that with you earlier); "record unemployment" (see previous aside); "record debt". And these are from the anti-Reid ads on this very page! Then, of course, there are the standard TPs of "liberal agenda" (again, would you have a copy of this?), "socialist agenda", "liberal media" (I addressed that yesterday to someone else) .....
Do you see a pattern here? Hot-button, NON-issues! Never any specifics! "HATE REID! HATE REID!" "DEMS = LIBS! DEMS BAD! SOCIALIST!" (As if any of them actually understood "socialist".)
So what is anyone supposed to believe -- that these are "deep thinkers"?
My point here is that the people who support (e.g.) a Sharron Angle, *for the most part*, do not delve very far into either specifics or actual issues. They listen to AM radio, they watch Fox, they get emails from their like-minded friends. This is the extent of their "knowledge" about ANYTHING.
The out of control spending of the Bush years drove me crazy he was not a good President. As for Reagan let me help you in your civics. The congress which was run by the democrats passes all spending. During the 8 years Reagan was in office revenues increased by 2 1/2 times but spending went up by 3 times. Like I have stated it is not about what comes in it is about what is being spent.
The Federal Government is way to big and out of control. One can put their head in the sand and hope everything works out but the numbers don't add up. For the long term survival of the next generation and and those that follow. We have to get off the govenrment teet.
You can argue all you want about government waste but until SS and medicare/medicaid is addressed nothing else matters.
The Social Security program was the 1st Ponzi Scheme. Heck Bernie Maddoff is in jail. These programs can not be sustained unless we want to go to 80%-90% tax situation. I have stated for years to phase out these government albatroses.
The generation of WWII stood up and laid down their lives in great sacrfice to protect and uphold the liberty of this country. It is now the turn of another generation to do the same. What I am getting at is the plan to phase out these programs will come at a high price for a generation that will have to continue to suppport and pay for these progams without the ability to reap any of the benefits.
We must go back to a self reiliance society and truly help those in need. Broad based saftey net policies are to broad to costly and create only existence and do very little to left those out of current circumstance yet seem to hold them in place.
We live in a captitalistic sociecty. That means we have people at the top bottom and middle. That will never change. But the abiltiy to move from the bottom to the top is available to everyone. The problem is our government is heaping more and more on each american in the way of taxes and regulation which means we have less and less ability to chart our own course. They claim it is for our own good. I say let the people decide what is for their own good.
Please remember the moneies the government derive is not their money it is the peoples money. I think to many in government look at the other way.
As far as jobs Patricia. Since the Reid/Pelosi team took office 4 years ago. You tell me what has happened?
Patrica,
I agree with you on those things. I think those are tremendous waste of time. I am not saying Sharon Angle is a great candidate. I am saying the Policies of Harry Reid are wrong for this country.
"What happened?
Ralston has finally ran an article that slams Reid a lot and somewhat supports Angle."
The establishment believes, that the opportunity presenting itself here is bigger than the danger.
Reid is proof that there needs to be mandatory retirement for congressional members say around 69 years old...
Angle is not the perfect choice but at least she will vote to stop the bleeding and for now that is the first priority.
This election (2012) is only the first step in taking back our government.
Yo Patricia. It's not too complicated. Harry has got to go and there's only one other option, that's the real problem
Isn't it time for you to go to work yet? Give it a rest
Would love to see a citation for those Reagan stats of revenue vs. spending. Because I seem to remember a pretty nasty recession that began 'round about the end of his term and lasting through to the beginning of Clinton's first term.
Not quite sure what WWII has to do with anything; another talking point, perhaps? I mean, wasn't WWII all about protecting US economic interests and protecting the US status of "superpower"? Oh it was SOLD to a more than willing nation coming off the Great Depression as "protect[ing] and uphold[ing] the liberty of this country". And before you go off on this, I have nothing but the utmost respect for those who fought and died in that war. But please at least try to be honest about what it was really about; not more talking points please.
IIRC, the last time we were "a self reiliance [sic]" society was ..... what? the mid-1800s? IMHO, when the industrial revolution happened, you could pretty well kiss "self-reliance" buh bye. Is that what you want to go back to?
The fact that you refer to SS as a "ponzi scheme" really doesn't make me want to discuss much with you. Really; can't you PLEASE write something OTHER THAN rightwing talking points???
Dear people of Nevada .... Please Please Please... Give us 6 mores years of Harry..
I'm from Louisiana and tired of the state being the Laughing stock
roflmao
jpete66: Just curious but can you tell me what prompted you to post here? Where did you find a link to this story?
If one were to rate drivel as being important in the debate then Angle won.
If content was important in the debate then Reid won.
All Angle did was to "pop the top" of her canned drivel.
That is an interesting observation Mr Ralston. Most of the polls that I have seen in Nevada this morning favored Senator Reid. Some polls as much as 30% other by 5% - 8%, but in all cases Senator Reid came out ahead. If you watched the debate Ms Angle seemed to trip over her own points of view. I guess when you change positions as much as she has it is hard to remember what to say. The one point I have to agree on is that that she did not come off as being crazy, which is quite a shock, so her handlers have done quite well with her in that respect. Still she must have been a great disappointment to her handlers. I imagine Karl Roves and his cronies ares crying in their coffee this morning.
OK Patricia you have just taken a big dive into way out their water. Lets just say Hitler/Pearl Harbor??? Anything ring a bell?
You tell me how SS works? Is not a pyramid? If it is not you tell me how this works?
I highly doubt you work or even understand how the private sector works?
[...]Enjoy the subsequent freak show in the Senate chamber, as she uses "senatorial courtesy" (her only real "juice") to throw sand in the gears at every turn, basking in the revulsion she foments[...]
HUH?
The Top Freak in the Senate arguably might belong to Babs Boxer.
Remember the liberal from CA chastising an Officer and a Gentleman and further admonished him by relating "How hard she worked for her title"
In an attempt to avoid unnecessary shuffle, the outgoing Harry should offer his office space to the incoming freshman Senator.
I think you did a good job on this one Jon. I don't like either one of them, but I'll grudgingly vote for Angle, and only because she will be a much needed No vote - just like she was in our State Senate.
That being said, I was very offended by her comment that Harry is only wealthy because of his terms in the Senate. He was wealthy before he went into politics, period. She attacked lawyers. They have a right to profit from their work just like the industrialists, the small business owners, etc. Sounds to be she wants to use her "hammer" to put lawyers out of business instead of the bankers and industrialists the Dems want to crack down on. Same old BS.
What will happen if Angle wins is there will be a new Democrat as Senate majority leader. The Republicans will not win enough Senate seats to be the majority party in the Senate. Then Nevada will have traded the Senate majority leader for a freshman Senator. Considering John Ensign's diminished stature in the Senate, Nevada will have two weak Senators. Will voting Angle in stop foreclosures in Nevada, will the Nevada economy suddenly improve, will the federal budget be balanced, will Social Security be privatized, and will the Departments of Energy, Education and the EPA be abolished? The answer to all those questions is No! What is most likely to occur is the Republicans win the House and not the Senate. Then we will have two years of gridlock with no major bills passed and remember, any bill the Republicans can get passed can be vetoed by President Obama and the Republicans won't have the votes to override. So if Angle wins, congratulations to her supporters and she will be able to do nothing she promised during her campaign. Angle will be relegated to some minor committee assignment, will be locked away by the Republican leadership like some crazy relative you keep locked up in the attic, less she say some embarrassing and false statement like she has done all during her campaign. Also, she will vote, No, on everything, regardless of whether it is a Republican sponsored bill or not. If Angle is such an effective legislator or leader, then why when she was in the Nevada Assembly she never rose to a leadership position? Because, she is an extremist, out of touch with even her own adopted party and nothing will change if she is in the Senate. Remember the term, 41 to Angle or as it could be, 99 to Angle. I would bet if Angle does anything she will be sponsoring bills on such important topics as making the federal government Christian and stopping Sharia law in the United States. In six years, she will lose in the primary just like Jim Gibson when the voters of Nevada realize just what a right wing extremist she really is.
Reid has caused enough destruction in the US Senate. "The War is Lost," Bush is a liar, probably did not read the "ObamaCare" Bill, just a few of the negatives on his resume. Angle deserves a chance to make Nevada a great state again.
Was that last statement a question?
You can "just say Hitler/Pearl Harbor" all you want; doesn't change the FACTS. We weren't even going to bother with that war UNTIL our government realized that Hitler did have the power to create a "superpower". It wasn't for "freedom and democracy"; it was purely economic self-interests.
Yes, one can make the argument that SS is set up as a "pyramid" but the rhetoric presumes that no one else is going to work and contribute going forward! And therein lies the talking point.
jpete, please please PLEASE present an actual argument that DOES NOT include talking points. You are simply proving the point I made in the post to which you first replied.
Surely you can see this.
Now I actually do have work to do. Yes, my work has dwindled with the economy, but I'm still plugging along best I can as are most people. Continuing tax breaks for the upper echelon of income has done and will continue to do nothing more than add to the deficit. (And yes, I do believe the deficit is too high. But there is a price to be paid to fix the mess that took more than six years to create; and it is NOT going to be done in two years. If you can't see that, it's because you refuse to see that and sorry, that makes you dishonest.)
Sharron Angle is a Nevadan figure whose time has come. To put it very kindly, she happened to articulate the anger of her fellow Nevadans and rheir desire to punish their Senator who couhld not prevent Barack Hussein Obama from making damning, tactless asides involving Las Vegas when he could have done so because he's the Senate President Your Excellency Harry Reid.
It's not the fault really of Harry Reid. Blame it on age and the vagaries of time and space. Harry Reid looks bizarre and antiquated like those zombie chararacters that populate our yFriday fright night movies. Fellow Mormon Glenn Beck should respectfully advice elderly bro Harry Reid to give up the race and retire altogether from politics. He needs a perpetual vacation from politics away from Obama the Fake Messiah and Nancy the Botox Queen. The party's over.
The Cheshire cat only repeated her Karl Rove talking points with an angry attitude. Reid was reserved (probably too much so), made some good stabs, and kept his cool even when she was insulting.
All polls in LV media outlets show that the people believe that Reid won the debate.
The biggest loser last night was Brian Sandoval. If Angle wins the election, Nevada will have two useless senators both of whom believe that Washington shouldn't spend any money. There will be no money to fill the 3 billion dollar state budget gap, and he will have to raise taxes a lot more than he is avoiding to mention. The guise that the legislature raised taxed not him is dumb. It didn't even work for what's -his-name.
How any liberal has the audacity to even speak in terms of "shallow talking points" is the epitome of hypocrisy. To say that shallow talking points is 99% of everything that comes out of the Democrats mouths is being way overly gracious. The fact is they flat LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE...even when their lips are not moving. They just can't stop.
Nevada should be proud! This is democracy. Two candidates with opposing viewpoints getting in a dust up. I'm so tired of those thinking everything in political debate should be like a spelling bee with tea and crumpets. I want fire and passion in my candidates. Not only that but Nevada has a chance to decapitate the beast.
PatricaLV, the boot licking wingnut stooges have been so conditioned by lies from their miserable failure leadership, Fox Fraudcasting, hate radio, and other un-news sources that they will not accept any truths.
The suicide wingnut supporters of Fascism/republicans mentally live in that world of Unreality created for them. Their despicable masters have effectively segmented then from "We the People" and have so propagandized them that they do not have the capacity to resist lies.
They have no analytical hardware any more to even contemplate the evaluation of a lie.
These wingnut stooges have become unconsciously pathological. That is what their despicable masters want and that is what they have--living robots to do their bidding.
I have to comment. Sharron Angle has a hard time expressing herself, but her stance on many issues are right for this country. She will vote for the people. If she doesn't we will vote her out. That said, Reid was so out of touch that most of the time he didn't know how to answer the questions. Talking about dead people as if they were alive. His good friend George Bush? Refused to say he was sorry for saying the war was lost? He is so out of touch with the American people. Maybe he was good for this country 30 years ago, but he needs to go. As far as who won the debate, Jon is kind in his words about Reid, he lost big time. Angles lead will go up many point by Monday.
Re the Sharia law statement, only a fool would read something and, without any other evidence, just repeat it as though it were fact.
You know. Like when Obama picked up the unsupported and untrue blog suggestion that the Chamber of Commerce was illegally using foreign money in campaign spending.
Btw, isn't it libel to falsely accuse someone of criminal acts without any support? Or does Obama have immunity from such liability?
Patricia,
Talking Points what the heck are you talking about?I can say the same thing about you. I am sure your work has dwindled with reasoning like yours. So your of the belief that raising taxes is good. And who is it good for the American People? You want another talking point well her goes "You talk about the upper echelon as if they don't deserve to keep the money they earn. How much more should they pay of the bill? It is easy for you to say that is reason for the debt. What a joke. Here is a simple fact you wanted an argument right. Take all their money you will be able to run the government for about a year. It is amazing how many things can paid for by just keeping the over 250K crowd from getting their taxes lowered. Lets see we can pay for health care, fix our social programs, reduce the debt on and on and on. You are just another liberal who thinks you know whats right for everyone like Reid, Pelosi and Obama. Come this November the likes of you will be reduced in numbers. Take your agenda elsewhere.
Hands down Angle wins!
This debate presented an interesting contrast between the candidates.
Harry Reid proclaimed, as all democrats do, that he is "for the middle class", yet he lives at the top-o-the-Ritz, like a traveling Arab Sheik on vacation.
Sharron Angle is clearly "middle class", living in a modest Reno neighborhood, but Harry sure ain't for her! She's too extreme, oooohhh! Save it for Halloween Harry!
When she called for the repeal of obamacare she pointed out the generous health insurance Harry Reid receives as a Senator.
Harry apparently missed her point that the Senate exempted themselves from obamacare for a much better health plan. The "Ritz" plan for US Senators, obamacare for us.
Instead Harry attacks Sharron by pointing out she, personally, has good insurance through her husband. Huh? What a chauvinist!
One thing that also jumped out was Harry's sincere belief that our money belongs to the government. If we want to keep more of it we have to show the government how we are going to pay for it. Damn the rich!
Sharron Angle made it clear that she believes our money belongs to us, and she will be on the side of us keeping more of it by cutting government spending.
I will give Harry this: he is the ONLY democrat who stood up for obamacare in this election! He could not comprehend why Sharron Angle opposses the government telling us what kind of insurance coverage we must buy.
Harry, in case you did not notice, most Nevadan's think obamacare is a national disaster.
Congratulations Sharron, you kicked Harry's a ss!
"bootlicking wingnut stooges"
Really Vidi? Can you possibly post some sort of informed opinion without constantly resorting to this sort of thing?
I know there are some well educated and intelligent liberals that do post on this board, and Vidi isn't about to listen to me. But perhaps one of you might mention that these sort of histrionics don't do anything to further the liberal side of things.
As for the debate, I think Angle did gain some credibility for herself, although she clearly has some shortcomings.
Reid on the other hand simply hasn't reacted swiftly or strongly enough to jump start Nevada, much less Clark County. We are dropping into a deep abyss and something clearly needs to change.
It is interesting that Angle supporters always talk about out of control spending and the deficit but I bet their all for extending the Bush tax cuts that will add at least one Trillion to the deficit. If in power, the Republicans will cut spending to social programs and eliminate any spending on green or renewable energy but they will not be able to control themselves and will increase spending on defense and other pet programs. One example is Republican Senate Committee members already talking about restoring NASA funding cut by the Obama administration.
Vivi,
Where do you get your news from MSNBC, Bill Maher, John Stewart and Huffington? Nice name calling your very muture !!!
FIrst of all, Jon I can't believe your headline (or the time is was posted, 2:01am?). I thought for sure you would spin the debate in Senator (cough)Reid's direction as the clear winner.
Reid has his chance, the democrats and republicans had their chance to send this country in a different direction. If you treat government spending like your own household budget, you would not make the decisions that have been made for us.
My mom who was a teacher for 30 plus years hated the department of Education, because they did not fight to give students the education they deserved, kept sub par teachers and did not back teachers who wanted fail students in 6th grade who were reading at a 2nd grade level.
I am a beneficiary (cough) Tricare. This is a government run institution and I am a veteran. Neither the Department of Veterans Affairs or Tricare look out for me or my son. I paid out of pocket last year over $2,000 because the Tricare didn't think that testing for a reoccurance of my cancer or follow up treatment for son's Psuedo Tumor Cebri.
Sharon Angles ideas can be called extreme or may she is thinking outside the box.
I am and always will be a registered democract but Reid lost my vote a long time ago, as well as his son.
We're doomed either way.
@PatriciaLV
Reading your posts is like watching the conversation between Vizzini and Inigo Montoya in The Princes Bride.
But to your points on the last grade-A troll post you wrote....
The US entered WWII to maintain/create its superpower status. Really? So Roosevelt decided it was not an economic issue in his 09/01/1939 speech. Nah. Tripartite Treaty? Not relevant. Pearl Harbor, oh, yeah, Roosevelt then decided to use that so we could become a superpower (he had super powers to see into the future)! Weeee!
For Social Security. Hmmm...not a pyramid scheme? Sure, why not. You bring up the point that as long as people are working, there's money in it. Just like if people keep going to Amway....We'll still have workers though. Down to 5.1 employee to retiree in 1960, 3.3 in 2007, and expected to be 2.1 in 2035. These must be GOP numbers...oops, it came from a 2010 SSA report (http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TR/2010/tr10.pdf...). It's OK, those 2.1 to 1 employees will be super rich and will gladly, and quite easily, be able to pay SS along with all the other taxes in the US. God bless those 2.1'ers.
My apologies to the rest of the readers on this forum, I am aware it is off topic. Hey PatriciaLV, to keep this off topic-ness at a minimum, I'll post your reply for you to save you the trouble:
Secret_Asian_Man, you are a doo-doo head and a shill for the GOP.
There, all done :)
Sometimes it is a good thing to see the country as it really is,a land full of nuts, smart guys, a smattering of needy and some down right crooks, the system is designed to enhance the country but we have managed to somehow allow the inmates to take over the asylum and the nuts and crooks have got the wheel right now. We are working on getting the sane and smart back behind the wheel because we screwed up and got lazy and thought we could relax, we still have a lot to learn.
People like Reid are opportunistic crooks, they convince you that the plan they have will benefit the majority and especially the needy and helpless, they make it sound so altuistic, the cost to all will be born equally they say, then the class warfare syndrome sets in, partisanship, bias and the worst of our nature is used to advance a program that becomes destructive. Time to get back to working on getting it right and realizing that earned income is not stolen and that small controlled government is more useful than a big expensive one that eats all the profit.
I'd like to thank Ms. Angle forpointing that out to Hairy Reed and friends.....
Bye-Bye Harry. I'm glad Harry has a great Senate pension plan because I would hate to have him defend me in a court of law. Kept thinking he was going to cough up a lung when Angle was speaking.
What were you watching Jon? Angle was once again exposed as a fraud.
Reid didn't even look interested, as if he is resolved to lose. Angle did win the debate quite convincingly especially when she drew blood about how Reid got rich in office. Reid's response was he lives on a fixed income! No wonder they call him "Dingy Harry". And Harry calls an unemployed grandmother a tool of special interest groups? Bye bye Harry Reid.
Another predictable outcome: Reid IS a loser. As a result of Reid's tenure in the Senate, he's helped make all Americans losers, though not quite a big as he.
I will never visit Las Vegas ever again if Reid wins. You fools should just get rid of the corrupt politician. Only the unions are supporting him, you idiots. A box of rocks would be better than the "War is Lost" Loser. Traitor!
How can so many of you people be so stupid? Don't you care about stuff? How DID Harry Reid get to be so RICH? Could it be because of 30 YEARS of CROOKED DEALS? 30 YEARS of getting INSIDE INFORMATION. Getting a HEADS UP, every time some MONEY was there for the taking? How did Harry Reid receive $3 MILLION for a piece of property that he didn't even own? How come he likes to go after all those Filthy Rotten, No Good, CROOKED LOBBYISTS, when he's got 4 KIDS that are LOBBYISTS? And what kind of a CUT did he get for STEERING MILLION$ to the Companies that Employ his Filthy Rotten, No Good, CROOKED LOBBYIST Kids?
You've got the HIGHEST Unemployment Numbers. The HIGHEST Foreclosure Numbers. The HIGHEST Bankruptcy Numbers. And yet, Harry Reid is still in the race.
Are you people RETARDED?
To Cili - you say Harry Reid was wealthy BEFORE he got to the Senate. Do tell us, how it was he made his money then. I'm sure you haven't a clue, because neither does anyone else. It's Harry's BIG SECRET!! I'm interested in one HUGE thing in this election, and that's getting rid of a government official who doesn't give a damn about the people in his State. The reality is, Harry Reid finds Nevadans despicable lowlifes that are too stupid to care or follow his antics in the Senate! VOTE OUT HARRY REID AND SHOW HIM JUST HOW SMART NEVADANS REALLY ARE!
Enough said on who to vote for. Reid may not be the best, but it's better than losing more to Wall Street and the super wealthy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-cre...
Patricia,
Per your last question on where the gentleman from Louisiana got this article from...it has gone viral throughout the country.
FNC will have it on Sheperd Smith @ noon listing the most liberal journalist in Nevada also agreeing with what we in Nevada witnessed last night.
Sorry Channel 3 and Jim Rogers, looks like you're going to have MORE layoffs in November. Even though Mr. Rogers loves to have his enormous ego boosted on camera now he may have to replace it with a few anchor spots. In November it will be wake up with R&R. (Ralston and Rogers)
How's that Change working out for ya?
Pretty soon Reid won't have to suffer from the smelly tourists (his fellow Americans) in the Capitol anymore. Goodbye you senile old traitor.
As we send Jon our comments about the debate, Ben Bernanke is considering how much more "Quantitative Easing" (a/k/a monetizing debt or printing Federal Reserve Notes backed by nothing) he will have to do to keep this economy rolling. Harry Reid has supported The Fed and Bernanke and Greenspan before him in their money printing follies. Our dollar is becoming no more than confetti and Reid just doesn't seem to care that those of us who have avoided becoming wards of the government are paying the biggest tax of all, the inflation tax. When Barack became POTUS, gold was $870 an oz. 21 months later it's $1375 an oz. The dollar index is down 15% since this June. We need to do something different or soon we'll all be on soup lines. Angle can't possibly be any worse than Reid has been and she has the potential to do a lot better. Angle is a much safer bet!
Las VEgas was a town of fun...Now the City is a place to vent about factors such as the huge increase in crime a Senator that has ripped of the State and the whole United States and Lord, what else is there to vent about...how about the clowns that ripped off the logos of the hotels and convince the locals that this is OK because this is providing jobs and education for the future of the children and new health care facilities, etc.
Is this article written by a political journalist or is this written from the opinion section. This is why the old news is failing.
Reid's entire career as an attorney was two years as Henderson city attorney. So Harry Reid is lying how he got wealthy unless you could be a simple city attorney for two years and retire rich.
gmag and the rest of you are comedy to watch. "What debate were you watching?" Come on, Ralston has favored Reid non-stop in this entire campaign. Everything Ralston has written has slammed Angle and supported Reid. And now he writes this and you take issue with it? I have rarely if ever agreed with Mr. Ralston but I must say he nailed it. I said it earlier and I'll say it again. Reid didn't have a knock out punch so by default Angle wins. She just had to stay standing and prove that she's not a nutcase and she would win. Reid looked stressed, harried, nervous and couldn't seem to think straight at times. Granted, he has a stressed life and is 70 years old but that's not what we want to see as our senator. Angle had more energy, more passion and nailed Harry on a few things. I think her comment about the Ritz really hit him hard and hit home with a number of Harry's constituents. Harry had a lot to lose here and he lost it. I still don't like Angle but there's no way I'm voting for Harry.
A large majority of Nevadans disagree with Reid on Health Care, the Stimulus, Immigration, and Bailouts. All Angle had to do is show she wasn't crazy. Instead, she won. Good Bye Harry.
well well well...the majority leader of the Senate will probably lose the election to a grandma from Northern Nevada...who apparently has read the constitution and understands it...I guess democracy isn't dead in America...of course she will be ignored in Washington if she wins..but what if a hundred more average Americans like her get elected....oh oh...I think the old saying is appropriate here and is basically what Sharon Angle is saying..."I'm mad as hell and not going to take it anymore"....she's got my vote..
how silly... NO ONE CARES WHAT ANY OF YOU ( OR ME SAY HERE) just go vote, watch the results then celebrate or cry..... i have to go clean my rugs now, you know, real life, important stuff.
ps who is this ralston guy???
This was just a debate, look what Reid has supported and will continue to support: Obamacare, free ride for ILLEGAL immigrants, wastefull bailouts. Harry needs to be sent out to pasture. He is not representing the people of Nevada, he is only representing Obama and Pelosi.
Too bad Patricia, still can't admit that Angle is not the "crazy" person you and 'ole Harry made her out to be. Tch, tch, tch. Who came off as an aging politician that wants the status quo - or, whether "extreme" or not, who came off as one who wants change? Hey Patricia, status quo working? I prefer one that will stand up to anyone, delve into matters, ASK QUESTIONS when not ready to do what Obama's Congress wants to do to us. Come off as extreme? Outspoken? Ya, extreme if that means if not "bowing" to Obama's agenda - which of course means Reid's agenda. YOU WANTED CHANGE BUT SUPPORT REID? Give me a break! And by the way, since you're in the private sector - ask your CEO how all the regulations, healthcare, SS contributions, workman's comp and threat of raising taxes (think your CEO and your company are one of the nasty rich?) affects future hiring. Think that may be why jobs are being held back? Or, do you think the nasty rich are just hoarding the money to become richer? Hey, I think businesses succede more if they can hire more employees and produce more product - which will produce the revenue to hire - and not hoard to become rich... Wow, you must think private enterprise isn't interested in improving the economy. And, that's too bad...
Did we watch the same debate, Jon? Senator Reid clearly won on presentation of facts and data and focused on the questions, one of which Ms. Angle forgot during the session and had to be reminded of by the moderator. That alone would make me not vote for her - I'd be afraid she would forget the topic of debate in the Senate. Huh? Do What? Could you repeat the question, please? Woman up, Sharron - you just don't have what it takes to be MY Senator.
here's the scary. people are willing to vote for Angle because she will vote NO on everything. i'm sorry but American used to be a place where we wanted to do things, go to the moon, build dams to put people to work, build interstate highways. i've asked this one before, repubs, what are YOU FOR? is it NO to everything? how do you progress by simply doing nothing? no to taxes, no to new buildings, no to insurance, no to raises for teachers, no to public schools, no to arenas, no, no, no. please, move away and go NO some place else. i'd like to build a great country and state by saying YES to progress, even if it requires paying higher taxes on my $100,000 a year plus income. yes to American Progress, no on Angle.
You all keep bringing old Harry back over and over to the Senate
Harry is one of the overseers of the Democrat Plantation. He lives in the Mansion you in the dirt floor Cabin.
Keep them on Welfare,Food stamps And the Slave Master Union folks will dole out a little to keep you all
happy. In the meantime you are losing more of your freedom every day. Health Care was nothing more to keep you licking the masters boots. Wait till the costs kick in you will pay. Oh yes you old folks past 50 nothing for you if you get sick you die see the Health Care Bill its in there.
Old Harry says you slaves shut up and return me to office. And you will get better crumbs on the floor when I sweep the table. You are moving to a Democrat Controlled Marxist State and your lack of knowledge of this appears in the polls with your support of the Overseer Harry Reid.
I don't agree, Jon, regarding who "won" the debate. Did Sen. Reid score the knockout punch that his supporters had hoped for? On substance, facts, and accomplishments, the answer is a resounding "yes!" On style and delivery, "NO," and it will always be a no for him in that category. Ms. Angle is more polished now, her suits and hairstyle are definitely improved, but she is still a hypocritical liar, and a cold-hearted person who, I suspect, may have some issues with mental instability. Also, the people you cite from various sources across the country who say Reid lost do not vote in this state---we do, and I believe we will re-elect Sen. Reid. Go look at that sign again on Pecos and Patrick that reads "Four years of Angle is better than a lifetime of Reid." Angle supporters do not even know that the length of a senatorial term is SIX years? Hey, maybe they do, and they just want to try her out for only four years. Whatever---am hoping that your column today motivates even MORE voters to come out and vote for Sen. Reid!
To Jon Ralston
I'm not sure if we seen the same "Debate " last night??? But the debate I seen was that Sharon Angle was trying not to answer some questions. And some of the question Angle answered was off track from the question...
Before this debate I was going to vote for Sharon Angle but now I change my mind.. I don't want a any Senator who " Flip-Flop !!! Also Who in their right mind will vote for someone to be their Senator,, and be will be number 101???? The last one under the pole !!!!!! I want someone who is number 1 in the Senate the " Top Dog "...
Harry really blew his facts on Social Security. More than once he said Social Security is solid for 35 - 40 years.
From the SS Trustees report: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html...
"...redeeming trust fund assets until reserves are exhausted in 2037, at which point tax income would be sufficient to pay about 75 percent of scheduled benefits ..."
That looks like a max of only 27 years to me that people can expect full benefits if nothing is done.
I watched the debate and thought Sharon bopped Harry. He seemed his smug, smarmy self looking at her as if she were the alien when actually, it is his, San Fran Nan's and Bama's ideology and LEGISLATION that is alien to NV and American values and economic sense. It is time also to look down ticket because Dems seem to follow Harry et al and even try to cover their D decal on the ballot. This means wiping out Dem reps, state Leg. and guv candidates. When state socialism is the fervor of one of our national party and their clones push taxes,spending, Care, cap and trade, regs and a horrid foreign policy all based on an alien philosophy,it is time for citizens to purge them from the Body Politic.
Wow - interesting comments. Angle did not have a knockout, but she only had to show she was not as extreme as portrayed by Reid and the Media - including Jon Ralston. She accomplished that no matter how hard Mitch Fox kept propping up Reid. Independent and moderate viewers and listeners that were worried about extremism should have become more comfortable with her views.
Reid kept calling Petreaus and Bush "my friend," and tried to change history. We all heard him all but call the General a liar on the war. Also, if he was a "successful lawyer" in private practice to earn his money, the question is when. He has been on the public payroll since 1968, except a brief 2 year stint between the Gaming Control Board and Congress from 1981-1983.
And as far as previous comments on "where were the jobs created by Bush?" From January 2001 through December 2006, the Labor Department showed an increase of 4.3 million jobs and the deficit was $206 Billion.
From January 2007 (when Reid became majority leader),through last month, the economy had lost 6.8 million jobs and the deficit is a projected 1.4 Trillion.
I don't know about you, but i am really enjoying watching the Democrats and Obama idolatry and lock-step liberal "i don't want to listen to anyone that doesn't share my opinions" Whoopi Goldberg/Joy Behar e.g. supporters come apart at the seams.
Here's a suggestion to all current politicians along with Harry Reid: it's time to put the American People first for a change, and this includes your own constituents here in Nevada, mr. Senator. Not the union organizers or Mexican consulates you seem to favor. And no, the garbage put out by the MSM didn't fool us. Obama's presidency can be summed up by one very popular (albeit "old school") hip-hop phrase with apologies to Chuck D and Public Enemy: "Don't believe the hype". He is not living up to the lofty, god-like celebrity the MSM created, far from it.
See ya, Harry.
Bill Raggio, you're next up...
To TxBigDog: No resident of Texas has a right to an opinion of who should represent Nevada in Washington, especially considering where the leader of the last administration came from. You may, however, have succeeded in revealing the identical intellects of Bush and Angle. Trust me. We won't miss your presence here as a tourist, either.
I felt Harry Reid won the debate. He's answers were coherent while Sharron Angle's were incoherent. She kept "beating around the bush". Although both candidates didn't directly answer some of the questions presented to them. I still feel Reid was able to show Nevada's voters that he has the experience to fight for Nevada. Reid has done so much for our state these past 23 years. This is just a guess but I'm sure most of the Nevadans that want to vote him out have only lived in Nevada for less than 5 years.
Funny that every poll I've seen and you can look for yourself on KLAS, Fox 5, KVBC and KTNV and even on this very site say that Reid won the debate and some of them aren't even close. I didn't thnk he did all that well personally but he trumped her with facts she could only spout Obamacare, Obamacare, Obamaccare. We get it Sharron you and your followers don't like Obamacare but what do you intend to do to fix things? We never got that out of her. I'm not voting for either of them but Reid got another big endorsement and you can call it minor but when the newspaper in Elko turns it's back on the republican candidate that's a sign that she is insane. Too insane to elect.
Reid won the debate by a landslide. Angle could not directly answer questions and skirted around all of them. True, Reid may not be the "best" person from our state, however he is much better than Angle. I'll vote Reid just to be sure Angle doesn't win.
Every news station,CNN,MSNBC,Fox has expressed the fact that in their view Sharon won the debate. They could not believe the way Harry has been lying about Sharons statements that he has produced with his editing wizard.
Harry has set himself in his ways. All for Harry, and who else is there to worry about? How can we trust him any more when he is more worried about his campaign to get re-elected and is still putting the Nevada citizen on the back burner?
He has shown us that he only cares about himself. Not a good thing for our citizens
-"her answer is almost more astounding: She read it somewhere so she repeated it."
Isn't that precisely what the President said last week while stumping against the USCC and campaign donations?
Reid knocked himself out. Athletes wearing pink shoes and helmets precisely demonstrates the need for legal coverage mandates on insurance companies? I am no logician but that correlation reeked of incoherency. Is that really the best answer the top Senator in charge of "Health Care Reform" could conjure up? Angle may (should?) win by default.
It was cringe worthy. Mr Reid seems like my old pastor. He didn't want to offend anyone. I cannot understand why he didn't put Mrs Angle in her place when she made direct assertions. He could have called her out and made her answer but he let it go. If it was my job on the line I would not hesitate in putting the nice old lady away with coherent and direct answers. But Mr Reid seemed too busy writing and not paying attention to Mrs Angle to care. Face it Harry, you got to assert some gumption and have her own up to her words. It seems as Nevada will suffer from whomever it chooses. Lord help us.
Reid started the debate with an attempt at sympathy (I grew up in Searchlight, my dad was a big man, etc.); he couldn't answer a simple "yes or no" question without trying to interject long-winded political speak; and, on several occasions, he drifted away from the question being ask. However, Reid totally lost the debate when he stated that the Obama administration has zero responsibility for the current conditions in the country.
Angle will likely not be a great legislator. However, her election will cause the Democrates to select a new Majority leader. Rather than alienating the Republicans and making suspect behind-closed door deals (Obamacare) as Reid has done, a new majority leader would work with all of the Senate to improve conditions in this country.
I don't understand the debate. I have never seen a person more unqualified to hold office then Sharon Angle. All she did was tell lies and distortions. Reed clearly won the debate...I don't know who will win the election, but it seems clear that voting for Angle would be devastating to Nevada and The U.S.
We all know that Dirty Harry is a "Pathological Liar" along with Nasty Nancy Pelosi and Barack Hussein Obama. Harry Reid demonstrated the "Transparency" promised by this amdinistration when he, and special interest groups, drafted the Senate version of the Health Care Reform disaster "BEHIND CLOSED DOORS". Not to mention that very few members of Congress even read the bill before passing it.
Not mentioned, was the FACT that Dirty Harry voted in favor of funding for the "Sanctuary Cities" that are being allowed to break our immigration laws.
Also, not mentioned was the FACT that Nevada ranks 50th in money received from the federal government under the so-called stimulus passed in February.
Also, I believe that Channel 3 TV (Las Vegas) acted in a "partisan" manner inviting the Republican member of the Nevada Legislature that has personnel issues with Sharron Angle on the "after debate show". Supposedly, no Democrat would appear, obviously channel 3 supports Reid. The show was hosted by Jon Ralston, Las Vegas Sun writer. And, we all know that the Sun leans so far to the left that if it could walk it would fall over on the first step. I think the Sun's mascot is a "JACKASS", like the publisher and many of it's writers. Although I must say, Jon Ralston seems in most cases to be the exception.
Harry Reid needs to go, once and for all. He does absolutely nothing for the residents of the state of Nevada.
Angle deserves the chance and ANYONE would be better than Reid.
Funny how the Sun buries this way below the "fold" on their website. Usually they put Ralston's articles up top in the sidebar or even with the main photo. They must be hating that Ralston wrote this.
I guarantee you Reid is digging through Angle's history now. He needs something big on her. He needs a Swift Boat or a Donna Rice bad...
Yes. Harry Lost. And he will now lose the election. Good.
I just moved here from NM. The first thing I did was register to vote. The question Ms. Angle asked to the Senator. How did you make all that money? This begs the question. Why do old, very old men keep running for the job? If I were asking the questions I would ask "wouldn't you like to spend your remaining years with your grand kids or in some cases great grand kids? Why do they stay and put up with all the election cycles? Retire, get out, go home. Become a mentor. Oh wait? No money in that? How much do you need? Frank Lautenberg 86, net worth $90,733,015 , Daniel Inouye 86, net worth $4,695,999, Daniel Akaka 86, net worth $1,113,000 , Arlen Specter 80 net worth $27,000,00. Harry Reid 71 net worth $4,766,998 , My God! The list goes on. GET OUT! RETIRE! I do not care who is in office. I am voting against them. Republican or Democrat and I do not care how crazy the person is running against them. I am voting for them. How can it get any worse?
Harry Reid definitely won this debate. Let's face it, he is older that Sharron Angle and wiser She showed her true colors when she asked Reid, where he got his wealth from, and mentioned where he lived compared to where she lives.She went off course and this had nothing to do with the debate.
She continued to lie about her attack ad that Reid was going to give social security to illegals. Even though it was proved untrue by factcheck she continued to say that it was true. There was not enough time to question her on another lie. She has said the the unemployed are just too lazy to go out and get work.Many of us saw that in an interview.
Obama's Health Plan gives free screening for mammograms, colonoscopies,and vaccinations. She is against that.She is against autistic children being covered on a health plan. Those of you who are against Obama's Plan, the Republicans have said they are going to include the same coverage in their plan, after they repeal Obama's . Makes as much sense as the Tea Party Ideas!!
So many dislike Reid but don't seem to know the good he has done for Nevada.Please google: harryreid.com/
content/pages/a . You will see what he has done.
The Recovery Act ,which Reid led the Senate to pass will put more than $500 million back in the pockets of nearly 1 million Nevada families.He was responsible
for extending tax credits for middle class Nevada families, including child care tax credit and marriage penalty relief.He has led the effort to make the sales tax deduction permanent,allowing us to deduct states sales taxes when doing federal income tax. It was set to expire in 2009.The Recovery Act gave a tax cut to almost a million working Nevadans,brought relief for middle class families hit by the Alternative Minimum Tax, and tax breaks and other relief for small businesses hit hard by the recession. The Recovery Act also helped Nevada families by extending and expanding unemployment insurance benefits, giving the state additional funding for Medicaid & the food stamp program and subsidizing almost two thirds of COBRA premiums for workers who've lost their jobs. The Republicans who are presently in congress have refused to pass a bill that would give unemployment benefits to those known as the 99ers who have been out of work the longest.
How is that for caring about the middle and poor class? Jobs are coming back but slowly. However according to Erin Burnett, she has said that this has been the fastest job creation in the recovery than in any other recession in 25 years.So we are heading in the right direction.
There you go again, Jon, with your and the Sun's blind support of the Dems and Harry Re... . Wait a sec! You're saying the Obtuse One WON the debate? HOLY COW!
I'm a Republican conservative who apparently comes down on the more liberal side of the party; believing we should legalize marijuana, prostitution and many other civil liberties the government has no place deciding for us. I think it's ridiculous an 18 year old cannot vote but can go to war, that a woman can't rent her body out but can kill her unborn child with impunity and many other positions that may not fit the mainstream republican hardline.
I do however find it equally ridiculous when I read comments from people who have elected Reid time after time supporting him while their state crumbles financially. The Democrats find it appropriate to call Meg Whitman a "whore" in a derogatory tone while they have control of the only state in the Union where it's legal! Let alone support a platform that's lead to 15% unemployment in a state that produces billions upon billions of dollars through legalized gambling.
The heat's not affecting those in Arizona where it's even hotter, but seems to be baking the brains of those in the deserts of Nevada.
Give Angle a chance and Reid the sole of your shoes on the way out the door. It's a better risk than you offer the rest of the country while we're there on vacation.
Oops, that should have read "...an 18 year old cannot DRINK...." note "vote". Sorry.
Reid should have pointed out that the Angles fed at the Federal Government teat for their whole lives and consume BLM Federal Government medicalcare now.
Ralston should man-up and find out whoes paying for Angle's friend Jim "the garage" Gibbons Medical care? I thought he didn't like government medical care and that's why he's sueing the Feds.
How come he needed to travel all over the world as governor and now doesn't have to?
And who owns this mysterious ranch? Do they sell horses to meat packers in Canada and Mexico?
Important information about Jay Brown, Senator Reid, and Judge Dawson, and a possible hint why Kirk Henry and the IRS remain unpaid, while Rick Rizzolo parties
By Former LV Councilman Steve Miller
Tuesday, June 9, 2009
CANADA FREE PRESS
According to the following USA Today story, Jay Brown was responsible for making Harry Reid a multi-millionaire. Brown was formerly the Corporate Agent for Rick Rizzolo, and in 2006 represented Rizzolo's Crazy Horse Too in actions before the Las Vegas City Council. Kent Dawson was a humble Henderson Justice of the Peace until 1999 when Senator Reid appointed him to the Federal Bench for life. In 2005, Judge Dawson's brother, attorney John Dawson, hid Rick and Lisa Rizzolo's assets in the Cook Islands. John Dawson's law firm Lionel Sawyer & Collins received $1.4 million dollars in legal fees for John's "asset protection' services. Harry Reid's two sons are also attorneys with this firm.
FULL STORY: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php......
In 2007, democrats took over congress and a deficit of 8.9 trillion dollars. A ridiculous sum to be sure. However, under their watch, it's now climbed to 13.6 trillion.
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In 2007, when democrats took over congress, unemployment was at a very reasonable 4.6%. Under their watch, it's climbed to 9.6. Worse, it's nearly 15% here in Nevada.
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Re-elect Reid again? No thank you.
Harry just cannot understand that HE and his supporters are the "useful idiots" that this former KBG agent talks about.
This is a must see video for any American that love freedom! America WAKE UP! >>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iz3VjoHX...
Reid said he got wealthy from a lucrative lawyer profession but his record shows no such practice have we caught him in another lie?
Did anyone notice the tele-a-prompters? I did. Did any one notice that Crazy Sharron's body language? I did. She placed her hands on either side of her podium and swayed back in forth, just as her opinions do.
@luvnmaggie- "this has been the fastest job creation in the recovery than in any other recession in 25 years.So we are heading in the right direction."
Quite the opposite. By this time in the Reagan recession UE had dropped from near 12 to under 8, others were similar. Based on UE this is the worse "recovery" in American history. We have been over 9.4% for all 14 months since the recession ended. No other recovery has accomplished this.
It will be very close but this last debate may have moved the undecided to Angle. Winner of this race could win by less then a 1000 votes.
Harry's time has run out. Like an old horse that has been rode hard for years, they get stiff,crippled, and cranky.
Harry needs to be sent out to pasture, because after all........his performance last night showed just how tired he really is.
I don't agree that Angle won this debate. She didn't blow Reid away no matter how he presented himself. Angle just kept repeating the same talking points that she constantly flip-flops on. As an Independent what troubles me about Angle is how this person who hates government so much wants a government job so badly. She's a total hypocrate.
Ralston, do I ever loath the article you wrote, HOWEVER, I think you are fair and un-biased. It doesn't mean I have to like it. Keep up the good work. Maybe you should be working with CNN.
I disagree with Jon Ralston. In order for the demonstrable willfully ignorant, Sharron Angle, to have won this debate would require the vast majority of viewers to be equally willfully ignorant.
The slant to Mr. Reid in this article is to be expected...even in saying he lost the debate the writers can't give any credit to Angle. She won in spite of herself...well as some say, a win is a win. Have you all forgotten the slap in the face to our military that Reid administered by declaring defeat...and he wants to take credit for a VA hospital. Do you not see the problem there? The inane and mindless remarks he makes, his absolute disconnect with anything outside the beltway? Has your proximity to California driven you all over the left cliff? What you decide in this election will affect the entire country. Thanks but no thanks on Reid...been there, had that done to me!
Jon, your article almost seemed to go back to the days when you actually were a respected journalist. But you had to blow it with your last political hack comment. Pity!
Yes, Angle clearly won the debate. Angle did so much better than Reid! She was solid. She was no nonsense. She wasn't afraid of Reid. She knew the issues and was right on with them. These politicians who talk about "green jobs," the great work of the department of education, how health care is going to be less expensive are living in fairy land. What's wrong with having others more effectively run the VA? Everything she said is mainstream. It is what people in the real world say to one another.
Angle looked like a Stepford Wife. Step and repeat. Step and repeat. Her responses went around in circles. Did you notice when the moderator caught her off guard with a question, she got very nervous. She is not ready for the senate just like Palin wasn't ready for vice president.
The people who were really watching disagree with you Jon. Look at the polls of the viewers. Angle came across as ignorant and nasty as she really is. She was a disgrace to Nevada. You must like that stupid grin and that empty head. Harry Reid had the facts on his side. Angle is still lying. The facts are what matter, not the delivery.
What a strange headline!
Before the debate, I couldn't wait to vote against Reid - not for Angle - but against Reid.
After watching them both, I am now seriously considering voting for Reid, just to keep a true psycho from using our state to pursue a ridiculous/extremist agenda, at our expense.
To make me re-think my vote at this late date is hardly a "Reid loss".
Looks like the people do not agree with you, Jon:
LV Fox instant poll=Reid 51/Angle 43;
KLAS Reid 70.5 (no typo)/Angle 27.3
and the Sun, Reid 50/Angle 45.
Harry Reid had the facts on his side? Would that be when he said English is our official language? Or that Social Security is sound for 35 - 40 years? Or maybe when he denied that HCR would place an extra $100M burden on Nevada's Medicaid? (It was the moderator who repeated the claim in a question, and even his Rory admits it.)
I might be inclined to grant some leeway for Reid referring to Hoover Dam as "Boulder Dam", if only because at his age he might have forgotten that it was made official in 1947, and prior to that it sorta depended on what party you belonged as to what you called it.
Yeah, Harry has his facts.
If Nevada is dumb enough to reelect Harry Reid to the Senate I wll be cancelling any future trips to Las Vegas and Reno. Like Obama says "We shouldn't be wasting our money flying off to Vegas". Maybe he's right.
Reid lied through his teeth when he said he was a successful lawyer prior to being in Congress. Dingy Harry had his law license for TWO YEARS before he was elected. Hardly enough time to become a millionaire.
Angle won hands down. If Nevandans like 14% unemployment and an entrenched Obama Bot who will twists, lies and tucks it to us, by all means, vote for Harry Reid.
If you want a new direction for the country, Sharron Angle is the answer.
This state is starting to look like Massachusetts, who voted for Ted Kennedy. We have become a national joke.
If you pundits believe Sharron Angle won because she didn't make a complete ass of herself, you are possibly right. If you think she won because she made more sense than Harry Reid, you are wrong. My husband and I thought that Senator Reid had far more substance than Ms. Angle did. Ms. Angle didn't explain what she would do for Nevada, and she didn't answer all of the questions; so, on a technical basis she lost. Senator Reid made points on what he has done for Nevada and the country. He spoke many times from deep acquaintance with the facts (and copious notes to keep the facts straight). Were they nervous? Yes, both were. They were hit with some very hard questions right from the start -- our compliments to the moderator. It is easy to criticize what someone else has done. It is much harder to give specifics of what you would do instead. Ms. Angle had very few specifics, just a bunch of ramblings on things we don't want her doing. It is the undecided voters that they had to sway, and if I was undecided this debate would probably have convinced me that the majority leader's seniority can do much more for our state than having two ineffective junior senators.
Barbara Gramenos and Stuart Webster, Las Vegas
At the end of a life cycle I remember a locust in Pennsylvania on a tree and during it's life during the summer it would make noise and feed, when the summer was over it was nothing but a dead shell fixed to the bark of the tree. It was an empty shell with no movement but it still looked like a locust. It probably fed good all it's life but when it died there wasn't anything there but a shell. It's time to see politicians who have fed on people all their lives to go and feel comfortable with the accomplishments they made if they love America! If they think they love America but want to change the Constitution to fit an agenda that the American people don't want then go to the shell of the locust!
Harry Reid, as an educated, US senator took the high road in the debate and used actual facts instead of trying to wow the crowd with cooky grins, wild remarks and insults. She reminded me of Palin, with the "say it aint so, Joe" remark. Woman of the GOP make me cringe (Odonnel, Palin..)?
Obviously, Angle was well rehearsed, she denied things everyone has heard her say and made foolish remarks that people know arent true. Not classy, factual or intelligent. If thats winning then I guess Im a loser.
LOL, hope theres real lemon juice in the lemonade and you spoiled illegals get a job at Walmart before your house gets forclosured, you lose your health insurance and social security and are sitting in the middle of the desert with Angle and Ensign the laughing stock of Congress and the country.
Not if the country as a whole goes bankrupt because of reid and Obama. People run out of money to spend in nevada what else is nevada left with?
You ignorant people are hidden by the shadow of deceit but you Don't know it and your first mistake is that you LISTEN to what he wants you to hear!Do you think your unemployment in Vegas is going down like they said it would? Are you going to jail if you don't buy Government Health care? If you Don't pay your College Loans is the IRS coming to cease all you own? Don't be ignorant because Harry Reid is behind all these and many more to come if He's elected! How do you Like your Social Security increases because while the Elites in Washington are eating $100.00 Steaks and Spending money on everything and looking down on you because you have become a burden to them with your pittance needs. They only need you when it's Voting time! I'm afraid the greatest Generation is about to be ABORTED BY OBAMA and REID! GOD bless you because someday soon I will probably go to jail for saying God Bless you and the ACLU and Reid and the rest of the Progressives who want the seniors and babies who did nothing to die will keep leading the charge! The charge to ignorance!!
My vision of the future if Obama and Reid and Po lose rule: Vegas is gone because their is no middle class and I see a lot of Camels and watering holes!The Muslims have found a new home! Detroit is Muslim free! The money they need is now a tariff to cross Thu! Prayer rugs are sold and you will buy them even if you don't need one!Obama is no longer President of the United States because their is no United States! World treaties have been negotiated by Hillary Clinton to dissolve the United States which became the World Organisation and the new ruler is Barack Obama
Reid lost me when he touted Harrah's for creating and employing so many. The new hires are taking the place of long term employees they are running out the door. They undoubtedly are the worst company in Nevada to work for. They target employees with FMLA's-change their shifts- constantly put them on surveillance and write them up for the most minor of infractions that other employees are not written up for similar mistakes. Their management teams are hostile, vindictive and just plain nasty! bye bye Reid
The Muslim amd illegal remarks are out of line for a US senate candidate, is NV really that racist? If Angle wins dont expect sympathy trips from me to stimulate your economy. Las Vegas is in for a rough time no matter who wins but if Angle wins Im NV will get what it deserves.
If the Senator Reid vs Sharron Angle were judged by college standard then Senator Reid won easily.
Senator Reid gave the people of Nevada valuable information in their determining who to vote for.
Angle just popped the top on her can of drivel and poured it out to the audience and the Nevada citizens.
We have all heard her "helter skelter" misinformation time and time again. Angle really has no idea how insurancece works. By her illogic one should have a pre-existing condition before getting insurance. Where has she bee, almost everyone knows that if you had a pre-existing condition in the pas then the private health insurers would not insure.
Under the health reform plan the health insurance cannot deny you insurance if you have a pre-existing condition.
She stated that entitlement programs were a violation of the first commandment. She is covered by her husband's federal retiree health insurance. According to her she is in violation of the first commandment.
According to Angle you are violating the first commandment if you have an annuity plan, a defined benefit pension plan, a 401(k) plan, a stock and/or bond portfolio, a mutual fund, a CD, a savings plan, money under the mattress, and even a piggy bank.
Angle has repeated the John Birch Society lie that putting fluoride in public water systems is a communist conspiracy. Does that mean that all the major cities, towns, and rural water systems in the US are all run by Communists. Call the SNWA and find out if they are Communist.
Cleatus---even for this forum, you seem to be foaming at the mouth. Sir or madam: beg, borrow, or steal a Valium or Xanax! ". . .want the seniors and babies to die. . ." Umm. . ."World Organization?" Yikes! That rant was better than Beck and Hannity combined could have done! (oh, wait, you probably consider that statement a compliment, huh?) Chill, babe, chill!
Looks like Harry had already accepted that he's a loser even before the debate started.
He didn't even try to be interested...it was embarrassing for him.
Harry Reid has already retired.
Harry Reid won, hands down.
At this point, anyone who thinks that Sharron
Angle would be good for Nevada would have to be
completely out of their mind.
It's hard to believe that some people could be
this stupid.
That being said, the republicans who post here
and the republicans in Nevada ARE THE MINORITY.
WE DEMOCRATS WILL OUT VOTE YOU CRAZY REPUBLICANS,
Sharon Angle is a nut. She wants to join the party of NO, who could careless about the average citizen. She got her head out of a box of fruit loops. Nothing she says is intellectual.
The hard working people of Nev. will surfer greatly if she is elected. She will walk lock and step with the party of NO!
They want to do away with Social Security and anything else that will help the average citizen.
Sharon Angle should seek employment at Circus Circus where she can join all the other clowns.
I hope you Nevadians realize that if you elect birther Angle to the senate you will destroy the country. If she and her teepartiers get in, they will force Obama to resign over his ineligibility to be president and that will tear our great country apart. Please just say no to all birthers and teepartiers on Nov 2nd!
This Saturday, all of my freinds and family will
be voting for HARRY REID.
LET'S GET THIS DONE.
@teamster - thanks for saying no to the birther
Some of you have forgotten which President and party got us into this mess. Remember bush, chenney and Karl rove?
It was bush who invaded Iraq, not President Obama. It was the majority party who went along with everything bush wanted.
That includes tax cuts for the rich, on the backs of the middle and lowere classes.
The foreclosure problem was brought on by the sub-prime mortgage loans, so bush could tout the age of ownership. Until all went bust!
This all started before President Obama was elected. The stimulus has helped many people, but we may need another one. Most of the national debt was made during the bush administration. So stop blaming Harry Reid and President Obama. Get out and encourage everyone you know to vote!
The party of NO, is hoping everyone will stay home. Get out on the streets and encourage every to vote.
Bob G,...Looks like you'll be moving outta Dodge by sundown because it's SUNDOWN for Reid. Back to the "SHADY REST" FOR HIM! For you Bob, it's back to "Gilligan's Island" where you can continue to fantasize about life after death!
Since he's already retired lets not pay him for six more years....
What is unthinkable is that Harry Reid could be returned to the Senate. Given what he has done to the United States and what he has done to Nevada, it would be better to send Mike Calloway's dear departed dog to be Nevada's Senator than Dirty Harry. Vote the pooch out again in six years if he performs worse than Dirty Harry. (Not that there is much chance of that...)
One thing is for certain - when Harry Reid is voted out, he will not return to Nevada. Sorry, you bunch of ignorant hicks - there is big money to be made in DC as a lobbyist. And Dirty Harry will certainly stay for the bucks. He is no longer a Nevadan by any standard, he is a resident of Maryland.
You ignorant hicks in Idaho know nothing about
Nevada or our great Harry Reid.
What do you have, a fifth grade education?
Unless you're rich, you would be a idiot to vote
for a greedy republican who wants to kill
Social Security and steal your health care.
HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE?
@vidiveritas: "If the Senator Reid vs Sharron Angle were judged by college standard then Senator Reid won easily."
Out of curiosity, what kind of college debate scoring are you using? He seemed weak to me in construction (didn't get rah-rah on stimulus), cross ex(the pink shoes and helmets answer), and affirmation (the rest of the start and go).
I understand differentiation in scoring but I'm unfamiliar with the one you are using to claim Reid a winner. Please explain.
Harry Reid is the only choice.
Sharron Angle is just another greedy republican
con-artist.
Only fools follow her.
Miss Sharon:
Even if you and all the other republicans win in November: Latinos will still be the majority in the USA by 2050. We are just talking about the ones who are already legally here. What are you tea people supposed to be "taking back?"
The Great Debate wasn't Harry Reid's to lose it was Sharron Angle's to win. Harry already has the job. There were no winners or losers only two individual's with opposing views as to the future corrective vision for the great state of Nevada. As for Jon Ralston, well he's just trying to stir up the S--T! You know what they say...the more your stir the S--T the more it stink's.
So Mr Ralston ? Your point is that Reid is just great as a Senator and no good at debate ? And that's reason enough to re-elect him ?
Let's just give him a pass on all his lie's !
He is as you say "...(the)senator who has mastered the inside political game"
Mr Ralston you are nothing more than one member of the Media Bunko Players selling Flim Flam as truth.
ASK HARRY ABOUT HOW SAM BOYD GOT TO OWN THE STARDUST, WHEN HARRY WAS IN THE GAMING COMMISSION, i KNOW DO U
On Nov 2,hours after the polls close, Rory and his Pops will tap out.
Who cares about debates... I'd prefer to see some action(s)... :)
"Looks like Harry had already accepted that he's a loser even before the debate started ..."
Looks like The Koch brothers have decided, that they've wasted their money:
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/10/14...
I saw an ant on the ground and I wondered where IT was going. Peaceperson, I have been here on Earth over 8 decades and I've learned to survive and know that everybody has to serve something or someone. Our Country is split in half with the intentional hate that is interjected starting with the School systems. Thank you Nikita for saying " We will bury you from within" and so goes the Divided States of America! Ten Spy families caught in the Divided States and nobody cared because Obama and his right arm man who controls the Senate and most news media made it disappear! Who did we get in return from Russia? That ant has to serve something also! It could be a teacher, union person, Priest, politician, dog, cat or rat and even a Tennis player has to serve someone! I'm Foaming Baby!!!!
"I saw an ant on the ground and I wondered where IT was going. Peaceperson, I have been here on Earth over 8 decades and I've learned to survive and know that everybody has to serve something or someone."
Rupert Murdoch has to serve the establishment:
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/20...
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/20...
Harry Reid and jane fonda are symbols that represent the Hate America and steal as much as you can club! They both demoralized and had OUR TROOPS KILLED in war time! I'm going back to see if Harry Reid ever visited Walter Reed Hospital to pay respect to the solders and sailors who have graciously given life or limb for their Country.
"I'm going back to see if Harry Reid ever visited Walter Reed Hospital to pay respect to the solders and sailors who have graciously given life or limb for their Country."
They've graciously given life or limb to the idolatry called USA.
He waved as he drove by Walter Reed Hospital but he did visit one at home under construction and he was looking for the envelope(if you know what I mean)! Have you ever noticed, I mean have you ever noticed these Senators and Congressmen come into government basically not poor but not rich and as the years of service continue their Money grows faster than the speed of a bum on a ham sandwich! The funny thing about kickbacks and I know the Government takes care of their own, you would think the people working for the Government IRS might get greased by the Government Senators and Congressman as to you know "look the other way". I'm naive and I don't think it really happens! Case and Point: Charlie and Maxine didn't do anything the rest are doing!
The Winner of a Debate is THE BEST DEBATER!
Or should we say, the Master Debater?
Facts, history, truth (what is that?) have nothing to do with winning a debate, because a debate is theatrical and the audience can be mostly partisan.
A debate is a theatrical performance.
It's American Idol in the political spectrum.
Read ONLINE reviews and a thoughtful perspective becomes very apparent.
The LV Sun and Jon Ralston on Sunday, July 18, 2010 | 2 a.m.
Declared "Sharron Angle is dead"
An ebullient Jon Ralston wants Harry Reid to "unfurling a "Mission Accomplished" banner in their headquarters"
The LV Sun and Jon Ralston on Sunday, August 8, 2010 | 2 a.m.
Jon laments "It's almost preposterous, right? Sharron Angle defeating Harry Reid? Come on". But here's the rub: People hate Reid". But it is profoundly irrational, too, much of the time,".[the problem is] the Reid-haters will not listen."
Jon clearly is not listening if he truly does not know why Nevadans need a change
Jon has repeatedly bragged "His [Harry Reid's] strategy of driving people away from Angle and into either a "none of the above" posture or a oh-how-it-pains-me-to-vote-for-him stance has worked to perfection.
Jon crows that "Reid will apply a tourniquet to Angle's fundraising"
Jon last line is 100 day ahead of the election "The [Angle] race is lost."
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So Jon Ralston is PROUD of the way he and the LV SUN have campaigned for and willing Harry Reid to win by ducking the issues and trashing, trashing, trashing his opponent with a $25 million scorched-earth attack.
There has never been a question in Jon Ralston mind that anything goes in re-election of his BFF Too Big Too Fail Harry Reid.
It's deeper than idolizing the USA, it's more like a deep seeded feeling filled with good and sometime bad memories of a life that everyone in different countries heard about, a rainbow of opportunities where other countries put their people on a chain and see how far they can run to they bark! The Democrat Party has showed me what they want me to be and that is a Government Slave. Tax everything even when I die! The RINO'S are no different! It's TIME TO BREAK THE CHAIN! NOW! TEA TIME!!
Anyone with 1/2 of a brain Knowes H. Reid lost this debate big time , H R Lost all his drive and has become complacent in Wash.Not to mention He is very slow these days . Who do you vote for this time around? Hard one for sure Neither one is worth there SALT,but HR has to go
Harry Reid's political war is lost!
What would you expect from Harry Reid in this debate? He is a loser and the entire country knows it.
Here are some interesting highlights that occurred during the Reid/Angle debate:
1. Reid looked tired and frail. His opening statement touted ramblings of his father (with only a very limited time, one would have to wonder his strategy at this point).
2. Reid was vague on a lot of issues, including the first one about illegal aliens stating that "We have to stop talking and do something" (lots of details there)
3. Reid continued to state that the social security program was well funded for a long term, when it is clearly stated that this will be the first year that it will pay out more than it is taking in! Clearly Reid is out of touch on this issue OR he is just flat our LIEING!
4. Reid could not answer a simple YES or NO question with a, well, YES or NO!
5. Reid actually had the nerve to state that Obama Care would REDUCE the deficit! Yikes!
6. Reid touted some legislation that was a drop in the bucket with the money dedicated to helping foreclosure victims, and continued the BLAME BUSH rhetoric for all of our current problems! Pretty arrogant, especially coming from a Senate Majority Leader who was in command at the time the housing collapse was happening! Angle even had to ask Reid to MAN UP in admitting the problem with social security at one point!
7. Angle stated Reid should apologize for stating that the war in Iraq was lost, which demoralized our troops.
8. Reid confused the Department of Education with the Department of Energy at one point in the debate. Well, it was probably past his bed time!
9. Reid skirted the issue of continuing the Bush tax cuts, touting how we would need more money to be incorporated into the federal deficit (probably because they keep spending money)! Yikes! Talk about out of touch!
10. Reid claimed to make all of his money via being a successful lawyer and investing, but he only practiced in the late 60s for a few years, plus put his kids through school. How in the world could he have made his millions then and not while in the Senate?
All in all, Reid looked tired, confused, and showed just how out of touch he is with the problems that face our nation and state. This probably explains why he has done nothing to help us! I mean, if you don't know a problem exists, how can you fix it?
Bad Reid...Bad Senator http://aBadReid.com
I did not say the "war is lost..."
I said...
"Now I believe, myself, that the secretary of state, the secretary of defense and you have to make your own decision as to what the president knows: that this war is lost, that the surge is not accomplishing anything."
And, if I can find my notes, I will...
"It's deeper than idolizing the USA, it's more like a deep seeded feeling filled with good and sometime bad memories of a life that everyone in different countries heard about, a rainbow of opportunities where other countries put their people on a chain and see how far they can run to they bark ..."
The real issue here is how to turn around the occultists in charge, because everything else is a foolishness.
Senator Reid stayed calm despite Angle's smug, self-satisfied, dishonest attacks on him. It's too bad that the American people want entertainment, not substance. Reid offered plenty of substance, while Angle tried to provide the entertainment because she has no substance.
Let's keep our eye on the ball. Since winning the Republican nomination, Angle has pretended to moderate her way-out-there agenda: eliminating Social Security; using Yucca for the country's nuclear waste; letting insurance companies off the hook when it comes to responsibility for paying claims.
It's only because the media are tiptoeing around the elephant in the living room that America is declining. "Smaller government" and "less regulation" are code words for letting profit-driven corporations exploit the American people. ONE FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT IS TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD BETWEEN THE RICH/POWERFUL AND THE REST OF US. Of course the energy, financial, and insurance industries are contributing heavily to get Republicans back in power. Guess why?
Really now...
"ONE FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT IS TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD BETWEEN THE RICH/POWERFUL AND THE REST OF US."
I guess I must have missed that section in the Constitution.
Both candidates lost this debate when they agreed to this format. You have to have the ability to follow up in a debate.
Reid lost no time in confirming the sleazy impression he gave during the debate by announcing his intentions to buy seniors votes with taxpayer's money.
I read a news item in http://www.robbingamerica.com
that nearly drop me out of my chair. The item was titled "Harry Reid Scandal - Using Taxpayer's money to buy Votes".
Sharron Angle answered all questions, she didn't shy away, she didn't use political sounding words to satisfy a vote, she didn't seem to be crazy, used common sense, and defeated the Political Junky Senator Reid, Senator Reid has an ego bigger then Texas, to him; his supporters are just toys. Senator Reid outright lied, he said that English is the official Language for the U.S, is that why he voted against the bill that would have made English the Official Language for the United States Government.
If Sharon Angle becomes the next US Senator from Nevada, all Nevadans should hang their heads! What a travesty!!!!!!!!!
I am planning to visit Vegas again for vacation, that is if Harry doesn't get re-elected. I like many other Americans will hold Navadans responseable for returning this old idiot back to power. Remember the war is LOST. He will also lose for Navada. Unemployment will be alot higher than 14.4 if he returns. Take that to the bank!
So the bar is SO low that looking "reasonably credible" is enough? As a Dem, Reid has not been a great leader and yes, he's been in the Senate a long time, but consider Angle, as the alternative. She thinks we'll get out of economic difficulties, "with God's help." I would think that if "God" were in a helpful mood on economics, we'd never have gotten in trouble in the first place. Angle is against unemployment insurance. Anyone unemployed in NV should think about that when voting. She'll end your benefits. Angle is a moralist. That's all fine and good, except the main economic driver in NV is vice. Also, she's ignorant on the issues. Hopefully there are enough sane people in Vegas and Reno to knock her out.
Relax, folks, relax, all of you unemployment check receivers, ...all you suckers... :)
...give it up, give it up, Angle, give it up... :)
http://vodpod.com/watch/1476634-kc-and-t...
Just stick it, where the sun never shines, that psychopatic-pathetic, Angle bs.
Regards from Banana-Republic
Chuck-Norris
(no way replacing my name's 1st capital letter by an "F", no way, suckers :):)
Reid misrepresented the Health Care Reform Bill, as it has already caused many to see their premiums rise based on the Bills new mandates on Health Insurance Companies and Small and Corporate Businesses. Why?, because once again they failed to cap the percentage premiums can increase in one year and provide regulation of increases requiring they be based on rising costs and not on arbitrary attempts to raise revenue before the entire Bill takes effect. They made the same mistake when passing Credit Card Legislation, they gave Card issuers close to 6 months to raise our interest rates, cut our credit limits and cancel our credit before that legislation took effect.
The Health Reform Legislation should have started first with Health Insurance Regulations on cancelling coverage for pre-existing conditions once the policy was enforce for 60 days, requiring no life-time limit, allowing individuals to keep their coverage at the same premium their employer was paying upon leaving their employment, requiring no pre-existing on group policies(most don't anyway), requiring full coverage and no pre-existing on newborns whose parents have family coverage and requiring them to be covered, of course at an increased rate for adding them.
You cannot use Health Insurance as a "membership". It is insurance. If you want coverage for screenings, free colonoscopies, free mamograms, and the like, you will pay for those services.
To require Insurance Companies to cover such things as preventative care, no pre-existing on indiviual family coverage and the like must cost you more. These services are not free.
Insurance is not meant to provide coverage of all services available it is suppose to cover those costs that you cannot afford out-of-pocket. Relying on insurance to cover everything will cost someone. Whether you, your employer or the taxpayer.
I personally only turn in to my Insurance Company what I personally can't afford to pay.
Just as I don't make claims to my Homeowner or Auto Insurance for amounts I can pay, why?, to avoid seeing my premiums increase.
If you want free health care, move to England or Canada, but; I guarantee you will still be paying for it one way or another. Nothing is free!
Reid also lied about Cap and Trade. Regardless what the sheeple believe, we could cut Carbon to zero, world wide, and it would do nothing to change the current "warming" of the Planet. The Scientific community agrees only on one thing, we are still in a preglacial cycle.
We should be spending money on preparing for the impending changes in our climate.
Climate change is a platform to promote "world governence", huge income for the elite promoting "global warming", now called "climate change". It will only cost us more financially.
Wake up people.
Msnbc Tv recently had a poll on the sound of Palins voice. Well I for one am sick of Reids voice. The man can't even defend his positions against Pelosi, he is a suck-up.
barack's comments are accurate and underappreciated:
"When more things are made in America, more families make it in America; more jobs are created in America; more businesses thrive in America. But Republicans in Washington have consistently fought to keep these corporate loopholes open. Over the last four years alone, Republicans in the House voted 11 times to continue rewarding corporations that create jobs and profits overseas"
--while the right exploits concerns of unemployment. that's always been the right's MO, create a fear, and exploit it, the american people can go to hell
the right's strategy has been create unemployment and blaime obama...the right is using money they took from ya, in the form of unchecked corruption, raised gas prices and through unnecessary wars, to tell ya they have your interests in mind. they also placed young american soldiers, usually middle class, to help them become wealthy...if they regain power we'll hear nothing but jingoistic rhetoric again, for years
In her discussion of immigrants, Sharron Angle kept referring to "illegal aliens." Mitch, the moderator, should have corrected her. Moreover, I'm surprised nobody else said anything about it.
As a moderator, Mitch didn't do very well, and he could have suggested to Sharron Angle to stay on message. While Harry Reid wasn't at his best, Sharron Angle stood by her untruthful assertions. Two years ago, I had nightmares about Sarah Palin becoming the Vice President, and now I'm experiencing the same with Sharron Angle assuming Navada's senatorial seat. What a shame if that were to happen...
Sharron Angle referred to illegal immigrants as illegal aliens. Same, same, my friend.
Harry Reid referred to illegal immigrants as immigrants.
Too bad poor old Senator Harry Magoo does not know the difference between a (legal) immigrant and an illegal immigrant...
Today, all of my family and friends voted for
HARRY REID, RORY REID AND DINA TITUS.
These great Democrats work for the little guy in
this country.
GREEDY REPUBLICANS, LIKE SHARRON ANGLE WORK FOR
THE RICH.
These greedy republicans are STILL SENDING
AMERICAN JOBS TO COMMUNIST CHINA.
Sharron Angle said that we SHOULD PHASE OUT
SOCIAL SECURITY.
Sharron Angle said she will REPEAL HEALTH CARE
REFORM.
You would have to be a lunatic to vote for this
lunatic.
Start thinking, people, greedy republicans
destroyed our economy.
Don't let these greedy thieves, crooks and liars
back in.
VOTE GREEDY REPUBLICANS OUT.
And Senator Harry Magoo can't remember what he said...
The election is lost. Poor Harry...
Lost to a greedy, ignorant fool?
I don't think so.
Amen.
I'm not so much interested in tactical debates shortly before an election. I'd prefer to see some action(s) after the election.
Being the Master Debater in a debate about "Illegal Aliens", you know guys like E.T. and his family, does not implicitly make Angle the better politician for Nevada and therefore Las Vegas.
So, don't chuck-up, folks, since it ain't over 'til it's over :).
Regards Chuck
After the ads Reid has been running against Angle, his indignation at her
asking about his wealth was priceless.
The bottom line in this race is that
Sharron Angle will have no power to do
us harm while we know Reid does.
Unless Obama's agenda is radically
altered, jobs and the economy will
continue to suffer. Government has
resorted to printing money again after
having spent $5-7 trillion in 2 years.
As much as Paul Krugman and his
clueless followers might protest, jobs
come from private industry NOT government larggese. Obamacare, financial reform and stimulus have all
fallen shamefully short of their intended
purposes. Surgical editing of Obama's agenda is mandatory for growth.
Of course Closed Door Harry lost the debate. All these tax and spend liberals don't have an argument.
Please Check out song called teapartiers I can't hear you at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJfboOind...
Here's a verse
Doctors are retiring earlier but we're getting 17000 new IRS
This is how Obama creates health care jobs I guess
For 234 years this country's been God's blessing.
Now he's following Cloward and Piven's to bankrupt the country I'm guessing
If Obamacare gives Grandma and Grandpa a scare
Think how when their rationed and die earlier we'll save on healthcare
Hey guys if you fought at Iwo or the Chosen
when they stop giving your wife her meds and her last breath comes over her face
you'll find comfort knowing Nancy'd gladly take her place.
If you pundits believe Sharron Angle won because she didn't make a complete ass of herself, you are possibly right. If you think she won because she made more sense than Harry Reid, you are wrong. My husband and I thought that Senator Reid had far more substance than Ms. Angle did. Ms. Angle didn't explain what she would do for Nevada, and she didn't answer all of the questions; so, on a technical basis she lost. Senator Reid made points on what he has done for Nevada and the country. He spoke many times from deep acquaintance with the facts (and copious notes to keep the facts straight). Were they nervous? Yes, both were. They were hit with some very hard questions right from the start -- our compliments to the moderator. It is easy to criticize what someone else has done. It is much harder to give specifics of what you would do instead. Ms. Angle had very few specifics, just a bunch of ramblings on things we don't want her doing. It is the undecided voters that they had to sway, and if I was undecided this debate would probably have convinced me that the majority leader's seniority can do much more for our state than having two ineffective junior senators.
Barbara Gramenos and Stuart Webster, Las Vegas