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Published Tuesday, Nov. 23, 2010 | 10:14 p.m.
Updated Wednesday, Nov. 24, 2010 | 11:24 a.m.
Jolly Green Meds
Metro Police say they arrested six people Tuesday night after officers raided an alleged marijuana dispensary and found about five pounds of marijuana and more than 22 plants.
Two owners of Jolly Green Meds, Sean Kinshella, 29, and Daniel Kinshella, 50; and employees Christine Kinshella, 24, Kimberly Simons, 26, Jesse Moffett, 33, and Ryan Bondhus, 27, were arrested in connection with counts of felony sale of marijuana, conspiracy to sell marijuana, possession of a controlled substance with intent to sell and maintaining a place for sale of a controlled substance, Lt. Laz Chavez said.
Sean and Daniel Kinshella are being being held in the Clark County Detention Center on $58,000 bail. Christine Kinshella is being held on $32,000 bail, Simons is being held on $39,000 bail and Bondhus is being held on $3,000 bail.
Chavez said police began the raid at 6:30 p.m. at the business, 7710 W. Sahara Ave., and initially detained 11 people.
Chavez said the business allegedly sold food products laced with THC, including butter and peanut butter, and operated a delivery service.
Police said they found nearly a pound of hash oil, a potent Cannabis that's sometimes as high as 80 percent pure THC. The 351 grams recovered at the store are worth about $21,000, Chavez said.
“They’re very overt about this,” Chavez said. “They just sell to whoever; they’re just in it for the money.”
Chavez said police will work with Clark County business licensing on having the business’s license revoked.
Chavez said authorities are not targeting patients -- only those running the businesses.
Thank you for covering this story. Thousands of us are concerned about medical marijuana in Nevada. All I can say is Las Vegas Metro must hate the sick and dying. These paramilitary style raids are ridiculous.
It's a good thing they shut this down, it'll keep the money in the hands of the dealers! Metro is getting sick of non-confrontational people, they're trigger happy and they can only exercise their indiscretion when the public is unruly. They're implementing a system that is in their favor: those who need the compassion drug will turn to other ways to deal with the pain, probably alcohol & I'm sure Metro is hoping they get drunk and out of order so they can keep murdering us! Genius!!!
How do the unintelligent and uneducated seem to prevail???
I think its a non issue, a waste of police man power hours, police should go after real criminals and leave pot people alone!
yeah maybe they can find someone in a wheel chair to assassinate, hell they just got a guy with a cain, seems like the dispensaries are paying taxes and providing a service for people who choose to self medicate instead of getting hooked on pharmaceutical drugs, like I said its a non issue and eventually the cops are gonna have to man up and go after real bad people!!!
There goes my Thanksgiving.
By raiding and shutting down dispensaries they are hurting the patients. Some patients are too sick to grow on their own. This is beyond outrageous. NV obviously needs to make some changes in the law. And LT. Chavez is completely out of line for saying these people only care about making money! That is absolutely NOT the truth! These collectives are operating because they care about patients and patient's safety. If Lt. Chavez actually believes this about the dispensaries he needs to take a second to educated himself instead of making false comments and forcing ill and elderly people to the streets for their medicine! FIGHT BACK VEGAS PATIENTS DONT LET OUR DISPENSARIES CLOSE!!
You know whats funny about that, its actually LT chavez that is concerned about making money, its overtime for him and his buddy's, they are not doing it for free, its job security, they had to take a pay cut so watch them step up enforcement on pushovers like dispensaries because real bad guys might be a little too dangerous for them
Metro targets cancer victims. Every week there is another Metro miscreant in the news for a variety of crimes.
People that need medical marijuana will stay in California, further adding to Nevada's housing crisis.
Gillespie tells cancer victims to "grow their own." Right a bed ridden cancer patient is going to grow their own, what a heartless goon. Where can they legally get seeds.
Prescription drug & Medical error deaths: 225,000/year.
Marijuana deaths: 0
DRUGS
The JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000 article written by Dr Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH, of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health, shows that medical errors may be the third leading cause of death in the United States.
The report apparently shows there are 2,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery; 7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals; 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals; 80,000 deaths/year from infections in hospitals; 106,000 deaths/year from non-error, adverse effects of medications - these total up to 225,000 deaths per year in the US from iatrogenic causes which ranks these deaths as the # 3 killer.
MARIJUANA
(1999 - marijuana) "Indeed, epidemiological data indicate that in the general population marijuana use is not associated with increased mortality."
Source:
Janet E. Joy, Stanley J. Watson, Jr., and John A Benson, Jr., "Marijuana and Medicine: Assessing the Science Base," Division of Neuroscience and Behavioral Research, Institute of Medicine (Washington, DC: National Academy Press, 1999), p. 109.
LESSON: Never try to eliminate pain for find a cure without paying the drug companies and medical industry...there is a law out there waiting to get you.
great news...
now if they are convicted...
the taxpayers can spend $20,000 per person per year to keep these folks in jail...
atta baby...
$40,000 a year...
yee haa...
could buy an extra teacher or two to improve the schools with that kind of money...
yippie skippy...
wake the f up people...
This is one fuqed up world when cancer patients in the land of the free are subjected to abusive treatment for their suffering because some billionaire whiskey guys and beer folks get their way with their bought Senators, Congresspeople and lawyer armies.
Boftx nailed it in another post: shoot off your mouth and you're seen as an extremist - squeaky wheels everywhere and no grease gun in sight.
My aunt was a cancer patient with a prescription for medical pot. She couldnt get it anywhere. no pharmacy will carry it. So, thestate made it legal to sell at a dispensary right? WTF? is wrong with metro? we have home invasions, strip shootings and stabbings of tourists, illegals commiting crimes all over the valley and metro is taking on small business that is operating with a city license? Its outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your losing me Gillespe-Get your priorities straight and protect the people from the real criminals.
next they will be doing random business raids to find and ARREST illegal immigrants. Then again that will never happen- who else will work on Thanksgiving day? not American citizens-right? Jobs we wont do? its such a huge scam, and no one wants to get off facebook long enough to say- hey, thats wrong- dont molest my kid at the airport-dont give my job to a criminal immigrant. you're much too busy watching real housewives to care about losing your rights...
mred, airweare -- I'm on your side for this one.
jeezelouise -- "WTF" pretty much sums it up!
This article's "they're just in it for the money" very much describes the law enforcement side of it. Between the forfeitures and fines, raids like this are just more evidence of the organized greed driving our police state.
For enlightenment I recommend Radley Balko's "The Forfeiture Racket" and his more recent follow up "More on Indiana's Forfeiture Racket" @ http://reason.com/blog/2010/11/08/more-o...
Maybe the cops' slogan should be "Dare to keep your cops off drug forfeitures."
This is complete and total BS... I know these people and they follow the law on everything. They absolutly DO NOT sell to anyone that does not have a medical MJ card. They have done absolutly nothing wrong. They ran a very good and clean business that provided jobs and much needed tax dollars for the city. The police in this city are so anti american, it disgusts me. When will all you sheep out their wake the f up and educate yourselves on how our politicians are destroying this country? Turn off the tv and start protesting. Put up signs around the city to try to wake up the sheep. This country will be dead in the next 2 years unless everyone wakes up and takes the country back.
learn whats really happening to this country. most of you will say this info is bs because its not on fox or cnn or any of the other propaganda news agencies. Well they have all blatantly been lying to the american public for YEARS and YEARS. Its called operation mockingbird, a cia plan to take over all media in this country and only give you news they want you to hear. Its all propaganda, were just like nazi germany, we just perfected their propaganda machine. go educate yourselves...
www.nwofordummies.com
www.freepressinternational.com
www.infowars.com
www.prisonplanet.com
Incognito -- excellent posts!
"Tobacco, hemp, flax and cotton, are staple commodities." -- from Thomas Jefferson "The Works," vol. 3 (Notes on Virginia I, Correspondence 1780-1782), "A Notice Of The Mines And Other Subterraneous Riches; Its Trees, Plants, Fruits, &C."
sounds like a unanimous rebuke of "narco strike teams". now please stand by to observe absolutely no response from your sheriff. also, i am wondering if he is keeping his word about only allowing his SWAT officers conduct these raids as YANT showed us how his norco detail does business.
Ok, we have the highest rate of deaths for domestic violence victims, but we have time to bust marijuana dispensaries... thanks for wasting time and money metro.
The Jack Booted Thugs at LVMPD are Out of Control!! How much personal property and cash did they seize from them for their use and police auction?
I guess all you people have never had anyone close to you injured or killed by a person driving under the influence of this "medical miracle drug" marijuana.
There are nearly as many idiots driving around under the influence of drugs (prescription or otherwise) as drive while drinking alcohol. And they drive just as bad.
Way too many people are abusing the medical marijuana cards that can be obtained from any doctor from a chiropractor to a vet. At present it is a crime to sell marijuana to anyone. Not to mention, these folks were growing pot to sell...Hmmm can you say drug dealers and cultivators.
Good job, keep up the good work metro. These guys running dealer shops using "medical" as a front. The girls look like hooker meth heads anyways.
It's amazing how many ignorant comments there are on this issue.
Look, I'm all for legalization of Marijuana. However, dispenseries are ILLEGAL. All of these idiotic comments about "not letting cancer patients" get their medicine are just plain ignorant and wrong.
Anyone in the state of Nevada who has a Medical Marijuana card is allowed to GROW THEIR OWN. They MAY NOT get it from any other source. What's wrong with that?
This isn't an issue of moral correctness, or safer than alcohol, or Metro wanting to seize money/plant. It's about lawfulness.
The idiotic statement earlier about cancer patients being bedbound and unable to grow their own is, well, idiotic. Anyone THAT sick would be in a hospital or hospice. If a person is unable to care for themselves, they WON'T be doing that, unless they refuse excess treatment.
The bottom line is, I don't want a dispensery in my neighborhood is it's illegal. Get it legal, set up REAL shops where it can be monitored and taxed.
And all of you get off of your damn high horses about Metro being bad guys. They're following the law. Deal with it.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that none of the 6 pictured are "cancer victims". It's this simple: ITS ILLEGAL. If the business wants to operate outside of the law then it's fair game. If you all don't like the law as it is now, then change it.
Here is a ball Metro, go play with it. Now, please lets get some competent people in office to guide these people in the right direction.
Peanut butter laced with marijuana. Please!
I've said it elsewhere, just legalize it and treat it the same as alcohol. Make everyone's job easier.
If I understand the current law correctly, a patient can grow their own, or have someone come to the patient's residence to cultivate the plants for them. (But of course the law makes no provision for obtaining the seeds in the first place.)
If I am correct, then there should be a market for a "traveling consultant" who does nothing but take care of people's plants for them if the patient is not able to do it on their own.
It seems that the School Police arrested an individual for committing a series of burglaries and recovered $50K worth of stolen property from his residence along with....marijuana. Go figure, the jackweeds that are stealing everything from everybody else are the same ones sitting around smoking weed. The 'cancer patient' ruse is a red herring. Most users are in fact recreational and heavily involved in other crimes.
jon, I guess you forgot to count all of the deaths caused by drivers high on weed who are in fatal accidents. Or the deaths caused by dealers, users, etc. shooting each other, or worse, some innocent witness or bystander over weed. Not to mention the adults who neglect their children because their drug habit runs their life. You see it in the news all the time. Yes, indeed there are deaths caused by weed. By the way, in California, a legalization measure was just defeated at the ballot box. and raids on "dispenseries" are common in California, as well.
Ya, lets protect the dealers and the Mexican Drug Lord! They want it to be kept illegal, that's why it was defeated in CA. If it were to become legal what would the dealers do for a living? And the Mexican Drug Lords, what would they do, they would no longer be able to pay off the cops and politicians!
I wonder what the Metro gets for this protection and eliminating the competition?
Anyone have any links to news story about a fatal car crash caused by someone having smoked some bud?
Anyone with a brain knows that a driver who has smoked some pot is one of the most careful drivers on the road!
It's not like you can't get pot anytime you want it? Why not bring it out in the light and away from the criminals!
They are selling to anyone who walks in the door. If the true purpose is to help people with a specific medical need for marijuana...I could support it. This business and probably most of the others are selling this stuff like candy. Raid them and shut them down. It's a blight on the community.
Great job Metro keep up the good work. Who cares what you bunch of losers think!
tomfranklin
You mean the dancer chick Jessica Williams that ran off the road and killed the six kids after getting high on weed in 2001? Something like that?
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2001/feb...
Sun story link. Hope this helps tomfranklin as his computer/googlie thing apparently isn't operational.
We should get a ballot measure to defend Metro. They don't need additional sales tax money to go after pot peddlers. With decline in population, we need fewer police. Bad priorities.
Metro needs get a life.
my bad...
6 arrested...
not 2...
if convicted...
at $20,000 a year...
that is $120,000 a year...
tax payer dollars...
how many teachers could you hire for $120,000???
yee haa...
good times in vegas baby!!!
"jon, I guess you forgot to count all of the deaths caused by drivers high on weed who are in fatal accidents."
How many? Could you count them for me? Please, I'd love to see where "all the deaths" are proven. I'm sure it's not even 1/10th the fraction of alcohol! Let alone 1/1000th of the accidents caused by SOBER driving. Should driving as a whole be considered a crime? You stated deaths were caused by people being high, deaths are caused by people being sober as well, at a much higher rate. By your logic, it should.
" Or the deaths caused by dealers, users, etc. shooting each other, or worse, some innocent witness or bystander over weed."
That's a result of prohibition. If the drug wasn't illegal in the first place, we wouldn't have this violence or the illegal distribution issue.
"Not to mention the adults who neglect their children because their drug habit runs their life."
Again, this is illegal use and underage. Not to mention the drug does not "ruin their life". It's not addicting, it doesn't cause damage internally, and it certainly has not ruined ONE family I have ever known. Not one. I know literally thousands of teenagers and none of their "lives were ruined by marijuana" like you claimed. How many "lives were ruined" from alcohol? Do you think those numbers could ever compete with cannabis? NO. It never has and never will.
"You see it in the news all the time. Yes, indeed there are deaths caused by weed. By the way, in California, a legalization measure was just defeated at the ballot box. and raids on "dispenseries" are common in California, as well."
There are deaths? Find me them. Show me the actual studies done which link marijuana to the death of its users. You claim they are "all over the news", please, show me them. You seem way too confident in your uneducated opinion on the subject, when in reality your post was composed of our most commonly believed myths.
Let's see some stats on all those instances Bakersfield. Oh wait, you can't because all you just made up a bunch of stuff and typed it out. Even though there may have been people high in those instances you fabricated, they are probably a minute fraction of the total numbers of accidents. The only reason people shoot each other over drugs is because they are illegal.
HunterMG, don't make comments about ignorance of a subject when you display it yourself. It is legal for medical patients to cultivate their own plants, the question is, how do they do so when it is illegal to purchase seeds and it is illegal to transport plants. It's a farce.
The current law doesn't allow any way for patients to legally get their medicine.
You have two options:
1. Lobby your local and state representatives to fix the law.
2. Open an illegal dispensary under the guise of "consulting" and then cry "What about the patients?" when you get raided.
Metro is greedy for that easy drug war money, and dispensary owners are greedy for the patients money. Neither of you are helping, and you both make me sick.
Full legalization of this harmless plant is the answer.
-Chris Dyer, Executive Director, Las Vegas NORML
Mando
It seems that the Clark County School Police arrested an individual for committing a series of burglaries and recovered $50K worth of stolen property from his residence along with....marijuana. Go figure, the jackweeds that are stealing everything from everybody else are the same ones sitting around smoking weed. The 'cancer patient' ruse is a red herring. Most users are in fact recreational and heavily involved in other crimes.
Just because you want to feel better about your choices in lifestyle does not mean that the majority of the population agrees. This was most recently borne out in the ballot measure in California (of all places) that tanked a couple weeks ago.
The foot in the door for NORML and these other groups is the BS red herring of helping ease cancer patients pain. (Who would disagree with that?)
The reality is these little shops turn into de facto drug dealerships with phony baloney 'scripts' signed by a certain doctor or two in each community with low morals/ethics that are PAID for the script/authorization. Same for a great deal of the Oxycontin/Hydrocodone pain meds that flourish currently.
Rowdy,
I'm not sure if you are serious with using one kid who stole 50 thousand dollars in goods also possessing marijuana as an example for why it should be illegal. I sure hope not, but I will respond as if you were serious because I don't think someone could possibly base a belief off of that.
I am quite baffled by your quick judgement based off of one mere incident where someone just so happen to have marijuana. What about all the other things he had? Should those be illegal too Rowdy? Just because someone posses or uses a substance does not mean that the substance should be illegal. If one idiot abuses it, should all of us be punished? No. Look at alcohol, Rowdy. Alcohol causes the same issues in the sense you are referring to alcohol. Even more, alcohol causes dependence, marijuana does not. Alcoholics steal, yet we are still allowed to personally decide how much alcohol we intake legally. Why should it be different for marijuana? Marijuana is proven to be less harmful.
Marijuana smells horrible. It permeates everything and everyone around it. Kind of like cigarettes which we are doing everything in our power to eradicate if you hadn't noticed. Why would we now want to enable more people to smoke this stuff as we are slowly amping up the war on cigarettes? Wait till the lawsuits come for this against all the growers. The only winners will be the attorneys. We can't even put diet pills on the shelves without having them yanked off the market and the attorneys coming around ADVERTISING for clients that used the stuff (remember Fen-fen?)
Unfortunately due to the illegal nature of the stuff to begin with, there ARE no adequate studies that have been done on the chemicals that coexist with THC in marijuana and their long term effects on the body.
All we have so far that sort of makes sense is its use in easing the suffering of the terminally ill (and in my opinion they should get anything and everything they want to ease their suffering, heroin, morphine, oxy, you name it)
As far as this one incident? Hardly, this stuff is in the homes of many young criminals because they adopt it for the 'I'm different/rebel without a clue/hellbent for leather' and because of the 'skanky chicks dig it' factor. You will ALWAYS have some item like this for each successive generation of humans.
The sh*tbirds of the world always find a way to screw up royally and make themselves feel better about it in the process, be it alcohol, marijuana, meth, whatever.
The ideal House design is one with a nice large Atrium in the middle, where the doors on the sides of the Atrium lead only to the interior of the house.
I'm going to submit this idea to DR Horton and those house builder guys free of charge...if they want to sell homes and property and put people back to work, this is a great way.
Go RowdyYates!!
Very disappointed with the lack of intelligence among Nevada residents (especially police officers) with regards to Violence, Drugs, and Alcohol. Everything seems to be backwards! Put people in jail for marijuana, encourage the consumption of alcohol, and shoot unarmed citizens who are selling a hundred dollars worth of marijuana for a quote furtive move unquote while encouraging others to get drunk in public and gamble their money away in a lapse of good judgement! Not to mention the whole Costco shooting fiasco, as if that person needed to die.
I am resigned to the belief that good judgement and common sense just isn't in style here in Las Vegas. The trend seems to be that the laws need to encourage people to become victims of law enforcement and poor judgement associated with excessive alcohol consumption, and leniency with marijuana use is not congruent with that, I guess.
Reefer Madness!!
JerryWayne, I was responding to a previous post which a poster in your words "made up" a "fact" saying there are zero marijuana deaths. You know I didn't make up anything I said. I repeat, the other poster said ZERO. I did not make up any numbers, I merely corrected his post by saying there are instances which prove him wrong. Of course, I'm sober 24/7/365 and read the paper everyday where I find info to back up my comments..
Bakersfield: It's tough to argue with idiots. They're so convinced they are correct that they are unwilling to entertain the notion that they might, just might, be wrong.
Here is a little bit of thought for now just off the top of my brain housing group.
For the record, I helped Sean to receive his medical marijuana card and I can verify that he provided the necessary residential and medical documentation to show eligibility for the Nevada Medical Marijuana patient registry program and did properly apply for the Nevada program. As far as how the business they were running (jolly green) operates, I can not comment intelligently because I am not the proprietor nor have I ever been there; however, I will say this...(continued)
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Where does Nevada expect the 2200 plus active patients to go to get our constitutionally allowed medicine in Nevada? Its real simple = THE BLACK MARKET. That is why in a state with a population of 2.35 million people, we have less than 1% of the population as patients (2200 or so per the LV Sun Article on Nov 12)...BUT...if this is the case, WHY ARE WE DOING THESE THINGS:
1. Why are we focusing on raiding and arresting just 1 percent of our population with so much artillery and manpower and confusion to the constitutional rights of these patients?
2. Why is METRO acting as enforcers instead of protecting this vulnerable population? Why wont they protect and serve patients by working with the patient community to develop a SAFE PLACE FOR LEGITIMATE AND LEGAL CITIZENS AND NEVADA PATIENTS UNDER THE NEVADA CONSTITUTION TO GO?
Why not work with these Nevada charities and non-profits to develop and safe and condoned method of distribution so we wont have to rally thousands of patients and supporters on Sheriff Gillespie's lawn-(to include those persons that have been subjected to his illegal extortion of property owners to evict law abiding tenants without due process in Nevada)
3. Finally, WHY IS THE MEDIA NOT REPORTING THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THESE STORIES? Why are you not educating yourself on the constitutional and financial and budgetary implications this will have in the next 2 years??? When the federal lawsuits start, stand by taxpayers of Nevada! I hate to say it, but this is MCCNV and we have told you so and continued trying to tell you so...nobody is listening yet, but they are starting to. There will be no choice soon, national attention is coming, be patient. Until then, patients...remain vigilant, pray that we will have somebody with some nerve within the state to step up and enforce the Nevada constitution--(I apologize that I thought the police would be a part of protecting Nevada's sickest patients from the black market but I was naive...) Also, patients maintain your right to choose your NON-TOXIC and NON LETHAL alternative to harmful pharmaceuticals and be thankful this thanksgiving for what little protection and what ridiculous amount we pay the state to have it! To the black market....PLEASE continue to enjoy your lucrative market here in Vegas that appears to be supported by our law enforcement since they would rather harm access for patients than work to protect us.
In closing-- in order to spread the word about what is happening here in Las Vegas...
MCCNV-Garage TV will be live on UStream Friday to discuss all of the major ball-dropping going on around Nevada and Las Vegas...from county commissioners, to city hall, to the LV business licensing office, to clark county business licensing, to the Health and Human Services Division, etc...tune in on Black Friday at noon and we will discuss whatever the viewers want! See you there...Have a Happy Thanksgiving patients...it will get better soon...or am I being naive again?
RowdyYates et al.
There are many studies that have shown the mj does not cause lung cancer, it actually might prohibit cancer cells from growing.
See link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
The person you cited that killed people because they smoked mj.........in fact fell asleep at the wheel and killed people. FELL ASLEEP due to being tired...not because of pot.
Raids in California, sorry but I live in CA...not happening.
All the counties that make up the greater Bay Area (you know that place where the average IQ is much higher than Vegas/Nevada)voted to approve Prop. 19. Prop 19 only lost by about 10%, not a large majority as you would like to believe.
I would be willing to bet in the next 20 years or so, MJ will be legal across the board.
Pot smell does not linger as does cig. smell. My own mother will attest to that.
By the way, I have a BA plus some graduate work, I work full time and have been smoking on a regular basis since I was 16 years of age, I'm now 45. I don't steal, murder, rape etc.
I just want to be left alone to smoke my herb without the fear of law tossing me away.
Oh and by the way the last accident I was in...was when I left work midday to run an errand and had a fender bender, no weed involved whatsoever!!
So what is your lame point??
I guess that pot should be legalized...Just like cigarettes...Then all the outlets that sell it, like the smoke shops, can be burglarized to steal smokes because the price is too high after taxes. Again another victim (smoke shop owners).
BTW, Jessica Wiliams was convicted of FELONY DUI (CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE)w/DEATH, not felony "falling asleep at the wheel." She admitted to smoking marijuana two hours before driving.
Leagally, if you smoke marijuana, and drive you are DUI.Just as if you drink alcohol and drive.
two nays and the rest yays, I don't smoke at all but I see it as a non issue, leave pot people alone, licensed dispensaries pay lots of taxes in california, I am not sure they can here in nevada, for sure you got to start treating fellow americans more fairly, I know a ton of law abiding family people who just happen to smoke pot, they are not committing any crimes other then smoking pot and pot is not a crime its a hobby, they donot offend me by smoking it where I cannot get away from it like cigarette smokers do, they keep that part of there life's to themselves, so rowdy and tom you should mind your own business, to each his own!!!!!
Native
http://sq.4mg.com/stateIQ-income.htm
According to this?
Devildog covered the Jessica Wiliams conviction. Stripper after ingesting marijuana, kills 6. In prison.
Your mom can't smell the pot anymore than the crazy lady with the 100 cats can. You become accustomed to the smells and no longer notice them-but other people do.(kind of like if your son that you have no control over apparently takes up pot smoking at age 16 after awhile you don't notice because you have abdicated authority to the kid...great mom).
So with the educational achievements you have made that kind of makes you like a functioning alcoholic eh? Super. Your day to day life must really blow if you have had to escape from it from age 16 to age 45. Congrats.
WOW Rowdy. Sure am glad that I don't have your out look on other people just because they think differently than you. How high does your pedestal stand? I know people who got off of the codine products, that were literaly killing them not to mention the addicition, when they started medicating with pot. Much, Much better off. At least they can function and think clearly. Your comments show that you have not done any research in to the studies that have been done. Go to NORMAL, ASA or just google and you will find plenty and not just in the US, and do some reading before you condem anybody. And 1 of them CAN NOT grow for them selves due to disability so it does not allow everyone that they give a license to to be able to medicate without having to go out on some street corner or have someone bring it to you. By the way, I do not have a license nor do I smoke.
But how many prescription drugs do you take for your medical reasons or are you one of the "lucky" people to not have debilitating problems. Just wondering.....
Rowdy - Do a search on google for Jessica Williams and again read before posting. It says "They took ecstasy about 10 hours before, stayed up all night, then drove to Valley of Fire in the morning and smoked some pot about 2 hours before the accident. Doesn't sound like "pot" was the only factor. Agreed that she should not have been driving under any influence but wanted to set the story straight.
Wondering,
I agree, I WAS extremely harsh in the response to Native's post. In my defense, he pretty much asked for it with the snarky 'lame point' at the end though.
As for my outlook, too many people have accepted too much from the schmucks that subscribe to the lifestyle that NORML and other groups are trying to promote. All they have going for them is they are well funded and like the little organ grinding monkeys that they are, persistent.
NORML et al counts on the fact that the same radicals that are ballsy enough to spout off about their beliefs won't be countered by the polite middle class that has been raised not to be confrontational.
This is why they are so taken aback when someone posits a reasonable rebuttal to their crap. Most people just start swearing.
I think our society is overmedicated lately. Just take a look at the average TV show and see how many pharmaceutical commercials there are, most reading off the entire litany of side effects and considerations that a DOCTOR should be aware of before prescribing. However, nowadays people are encouraged to basically walk into the doctor and ask for what they think they need instead of what the doctor believes should be prescribed.
Do you remember ever seeing commercials like that in the mid 90's or prior?
Why do you think we have the problems with oxycontin/hydrocodone products just within the last 15 years or so. Pharmaceutical companies are only too happy to pump those things out to sell them.
As for Jessica Williams, yep ecstasy which comes with that entire lifestyle (along with the weed) contributed mightily to the tragedy that unfolded. Not to mention the County's idea to put kids in the center median of I-15.
As for myself, I have been fortunate that I have not had any long term pain to manage. No pills. No weed. No cigarettes.
I do have kids though. Kids watch what you do and don't do.
One more thing. Notwithstanding this little debate...
Happy Thanksgiving!
What ever happened to line (e)? Is this not The Nevada State Constitution voted by the PEOPLE?
Article 4, Nevada Constitution
Text of Section 38:
Use of Plant of Genus Cannabis for Medical Purposes
1. The legislature shall provide by law for:
(a) The use by a patient, upon the advice of his physician, of a plant of the genus Cannabis for the treatment or alleviation of cancer, glaucoma, acquired immunodeficiency syndrome; severe, persistent nausea of cachexia resulting from these or other chronic or debilitating medical conditions; epilepsy and other disorders characterized by seizure; multiple sclerosis and other disorders characterized by muscular spasticity; or other conditions approved pursuant to law for such treatment.
(b) Restriction of the medical use of the plant by a minor to require diagnosis and written authorization by a physician, parental consent, and parental control of the acquisition and use of the plant.
(c) Protection of the plant and property related to its use from forfeiture except upon conviction or plea of guilty or nolo contendere for possession or use not authorized by or pursuant to this section.
(d) A registry of patients, and their attendants, who are authorized to use the plant for a medical purpose, to which law enforcement officers may resort to verify a claim of authorization and which is otherwise confidential.
(e) Authorization of appropriate methods for supply of the plant to patients authorized to use it.
2. This section does not:
(a) Authorize the use or possession of the plant for a purpose other than medical or use for a medical purpose in public.
(b) Require reimbursement by an insurer for medical use of the plant or accommodation of medical use in a place of employment
Good post Rowdy. I agree fully with everything you said about the Pharmaceutical companies. They are driving up the cost of health. They control what the docs give because of kickbacks or perks might be the better word.
I whole heartedly understand about the kids. Most important. I said what I said about the several people that I know and I have seen first hand how much switching to medical marijuana away from other legal drugs improved their life AND their family's also. But yes, it can be abused just like prescription drugs, alcohol and cigs.
Appreciate the feed back and I enjoy a conversation on different ideas as long as I am not expected to change my thought to be involved with it.
Happy Thanksgiving to you also.
Also need to add that I do MOST definately have to disagree with the statement about weed, well medical not recreational, being part of that life style. And in most people I have known in 50 years there was no lifestyle of drugs when they were using it recreationaly. Most never did anything past the pot. If it is legimately needed because someone can not or chooses not to use the pharmicutical drugs is like someone choosing to not eat meat or being a vegan. And I prefer my friends not to have to go out some where undercover to get a bit of pot to help. Set it up and do it legimately. Arizona just did. Look at NORMAL for the 30 points about their law. Just a break down from their law. Nothing fabricated or made up and they put alot more thought into their version of the law.
Again though thanks for the reply and I will look for you to talk again. happy Thanksgiving and gnight.
Rowdy:
First I'm a FEMALE.
Lifestyle that NORML is trying to promote? Please elaborate.
I smoke pot (something my mother has known for the past 29 years). I know lawyers, accounts, computer programers, network administrators, chefs, musicans, Doctors, vets., who smoke pot or have smoked pot. What kind of "lifesytle" do you think we all have? We go to work, do our thing...as in pay rent/mortgage, take care of our kids (if we have any) go on vacation etc.
Do you seriously believe its a bunch of young kids, and "hippies" and so called "bad people" that are single handly keeping a multibillion dollar a year industry alive?
"I merely corrected his post by saying there are instances which prove him wrong."
The trouble is, Bakersfield, that you provided exactly as much evidence for your claims as the person you 'corrected' - none whatsoever. Your 'proof' was a bunch of hypotheticals with no information to back it up. Yes, illegal drugs cause such problems. How much are specifically marijuana-related? Do some real research and put it up. Without it you have no more credibility than someone claiming 0 deaths. Particularly suspect is your assertion regarding "the adults who neglect their children because their drug habit runs their life." *Addictive* drugs have this problem, including nicotine and to some extent alcohol. But marijuana is not physically addictive. There's no withdrawal in quitting, no physical imperative for it to run anyone's life. And if you want to include the potential for psychological addiction then you'd be banning half the things that people eat and do every day.
Native:
My apology in using he/him/son in the previous post(s).
I know people like that too...and they tend to have their personal lives implode due to their inability to cope without using, be it marijuana or alcohol or prescribed painkillers.
I know far more though that don't do much more than have a beer or two.
As for mom knowing you smoke pot since you were 16...where was your dad when all this was happening? I sincerely hope nothing tragic happened to him.
I don't know too many parents that would encourage that in their kids. Especially fathers for their daughters. Those that do tend to be the ones that get them taken away from them.
Regardless of your answer to the above (if you even choose to entertain them as I know they are prying), you are 45, well-educated and can certainly make your own choices.
Didn't mean to be overly curt, it's tough to cutely argue with meaningful humor to defuse things without seeing facial expressions, tone of voice, etc.
Happy Thanksgiving to you Native!
Marijuana is a natural medicine, it should be a persons RIGHT to choose that over lab pharmaceuticals that have more adverse effects. I don't use it, but I'm a staunch believer and user of natural medicine and remedies.
May, How about the 81 year old lady who was beaten to death by a 15 year old who broke into her house thinking nobody was home. He and his co-defendants said they were high on marijuana and broke in to steal things. You want facts, It happened in East Bakersfield this year. In a house on Camino Sierra, a block away from my parents' house. I just find it amazing that some think that pot has zero effects. How about the driver who was on pot that ran down the highway cleanup crew in I-15 a couple years back. I remember reading a lot that that individual was driving on pot. It's funny how someone can post "zero deaths from pot", but need "evidence" when one questions their errant comment. Why is it that those who say there are zero ill affects of pot do not need to offer you the same "proof" you demand of me? The only ones who seem to think it's totally healthy with ZERO ill affects are those using it. (based on posts on this site) And for the record, The Kern County California Sheriff has busted several "dispensaries" right here in good old California.
@adc702, thanks for posting the amendment. Really, that is at the heart of this entire issue. Ten years ago, Nevadans voted almost 2-1 in favor of this amendment, and polling shows the support has grown over the years.
I don't know about the rest of you internet patriots, but I don't get to pick and choose my amendments. I have to support the whole thing.
@ Rowdy - Let's look at the most relevant parts; from the text of Section 38:
1. The legislature shall provide by law for:
(e) Authorization of appropriate methods for supply of the plant to patients authorized to use it.
2. This section does not:
(a) Authorize the use or possession of the plant for a purpose other than medical or use for a medical purpose in public.
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The state has not fulfilled the Constitutional directive of providing appropriate methods of supply, and this is where the overambitious find themselves jammed between a statutory rock and a Constitutional hard place. The civilly disobedient, for what we perceive is the greater good, are enacting community based alternative health care reform.
Our various stages of medical usage are Constitutionally protected, and if our legislature would enact some sensible reform, protections could be put in place to prevent diversion, and generate sorely needed revenue to the state which is currently making its way to a mostly to a black or gray market.
We as a state need to address the realities of tough economic times, a new non-outsource-able industry, with all the ancillary benefits from electrical contractors to security companies. Monitored, maintained collective environments would bring the cost of patient health care down, while at the same time making Metro's job much easier, as it would put a lid on the burgeoning number of legal grows. It also removes temptation from many households and provides protection from families with kids in the house or those living in public housing.
Current reports indicate patient id# 5600 was recently issued. That's about 3600 legal grow opportunities in Clark County alone. We live in a specialized society. That's why we don't trade chickens much anymore. We use inspectors and shippers and butchers and sales checkout people, just so we don't have to do all the killing and dressing ourselves. That's the nature of a large economy. To expect people afflicted from a great number of legitimate ailment's (cancer, ms, lupus, fibromyalgia, arthritis, PTSD, Tourette's, epilepsy, and a host of others) to magically acquire the skill of horticulture is not realistic.
I agree that Americans are over medicated, with many commercials we see including the words "fatal" or "death". The fact is cannabis is one of the most non-toxic substances in use (remember, stupidity is often fatal on its own, or in conjunction with almost anything), and you may see that medpot is is seen as a lesser threat by many citizens.
420
This is what got me sick of these fkn pigs.
""Metro says it's not interested in going after legitimate medical marijuana storefronts but the line is often blurred."""
Read it here:
http://www.8newsnow.com/story/11941949/i...
"Marijuana is a natural medicine..."
myforte -- so natural it's been in the Chinese pharmacopoeia for thousands of years.
An excellent book if you can find it is "The Marihuana Papers" which includes the best bits of what's popularly know as "The LaGuardia Report."
To boil it down, marihuana/marijaua/hemp plants are nature's botanical gift to mankind. Its benefits far outweigh its minuses, if any. The proof is found in the history of how and why it became criminalized in this country, and proof of the idiocy behind its criminalization is found in the fact the hemp plant itself -- the kind that yields no usable amount of THC -- is illegal.
"The best hemp and the best tobacco grow on the same kind of soil." -- Thomas Jefferson
Rowdy:
My father passed away when I was 11. He underwent bypass surgery at the Mayo Clinic and did not make it.
Bakersfield:
The kids who broke into the ladys house...it was the kids actions that killed her. It had nothing to do with the "pot". Wouldn't be surprised if they had a drink or two or a line of crank before either.
People love to blame things on pot, alcohol etc, instead of blaming the individuals actions and lack of morals. People commit crimes when they are not high on anything. So where do you place the blame then?
It is similar to blaming the gun for killing someone, sorry but it took a human to pull the trigger.
Happy Turkey Day........
and I will give thanks.....in my special way.....
Native, The fact that defendants use marijuana influence as an "excuse" for their actions over and over is proof enough that while they are responsible for their own actions, It is their need for a "fix" that makes them commit a crime to get it. Onc again, I started out merely questioning another writer's comments on ZERO marijuana deaths. I NEVER said that it is the ONLY problem out there. I just questioned his ZERO number. If he had said "few" or "a small percentage", I NEVER would have bothered to comment, but he chose to say the obviously incorrect "zero". By the way, It is (for the moment) illegal. By the way, If the kid had used something else (crack, etc), I'm sure he would have mentioned that in his excuse to the cops, they mentioned "smoking marijuans joints", nothing else.
Sorry to hear about your dad,No 11 year old should have to go through that. Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy your "special way" of celebrating it.
why are people from California commenting on what happens in las Vegas, Nevada. haven't you folks done enough already. you came in during the housing boom bought all you could and them dumped our city into one of it's worse depressions. enough of Joe Stormont. Now if these people were selling to just anybody then good that they were busted. many distributors who are legal under NEVADA law pay for a licence and run there business by the book. Why punish them. and again California people keep you opinions to yourselves. thank you. Good Day!
Stupid laws (not based on fact or science or a real public health problem-alcohol and tobacco really kill people -pot does not)
stupid police (they don't have to enforce stupid laws),
stupid politicians (who will just lie to get elected)
stupid public (who believe the government propaganda such as refer madness)
stupid CIA (who use drug money to finance illegal wars to support US corporations
stupid drug companies( who are afraid they might loss drug sales)
stupid corporations (who don't want people to have any rights- only corporations have rights)
stupid country (the US is clearly not the best country in the world - it is run by stupid and greedy people)
People that use the excuse "I was messed up on something" are NOT anyway comparable to the people who actually take the time to get legal and take that step. And notice that it is called an EXCUSE. Sure some people abuse it but what don't people abuse?
Good points Bob but the stupid in front of everything throws out the focus on the points. But you are definately right on about the greedy of this world.
For both sides out there here is an article that tells you where things are at and where they are going.
http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,...
Interesting that some of them are actually taking into account if someone is on Medicade or low income, just like it should be with any medications which would really help the eledery and disabled that can no longer work.
And 1 more covering the pros and cons. If interested on either for it or against it, it is a good site to research. And for those contemplating quiting or lowering their "legal" pharmaceuticals by the use of medical marijuana there is alot of info.
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/
Again I don't care either way as long as it releives someones suffering. I have been addicted to oxycodone due to medical issues, no not recreational or abused, and I tell you what, I would definately look at getting a med marijuana card instead of going thru that again.
Bob635,
I don't know what planet you come from, but police enforce all the laws, not just ones that most folks believe are "smart."
And if you think that people don't die after smoking marijuana, do some research and see how many marijuana related DUI deaths there are each year. Sure not as many as alcohol, but even 1 is too many, especially if it is a member of your family that is killed but a DUI drug offender.
US Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, "In the Matter of Marijuana Rescheduling Petition" (Docket #86-22), September 6, 1988, p. 56-57.
http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30
Among sources cited for information contained in this link are: CDC, US DoJ, and the DEA.
Marijuanna attributed deaths ZERO, NONE, NIL, NADDA
Prove it wrong. Prove to me that any person has died as a DIRECT result from ingesting THC in any form.You will not, because you cant. If it were true it would be all over the media in a heartbeat.