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Sam Morris / Las Vegas Sun
Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio speaks to Las Vegas-area journalists and bloggers on Friday.
Friday, May 7, 2010 | 6:59 p.m.
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- Arizona immigration law sparks conversation in Nevada (4-30-10)
- Protesters in Las Vegas rally against new Arizona immigration law (4-28-10)
- Harry Reid calls for border security before legalization (4-28-10)
- Gibbons sends letter to Obama on immigration reform (4-27-10)
- Group plans Arizona boycott, criticizes new immigration law (4-26-10)
- Gibbons demands Obama take action on immigration (4-26-10)
- Arizona governor signs immigration enforcement bill (4-23-10)
Joe Arpaio, the freewheeling sheriff of Arizona’s Maricopa County, visited Las Vegas on Friday, defending his state’s tough new immigration law, saying that it will not, as critics have charged, lead to widespread racial profiling.
In fact, he said the law, which makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they’re illegal immigrants, adds little more than a small degree of cover for the aggressive immigration programs that have earned him the label of “America’s toughest sheriff.”
“We’ve been doing almost the same as that new law,” he told reporters at a roundtable discussion organized by the Nevada News Bureau. “Now, law enforcement won’t have any problems.”
The issue is relevant here because Republican Assemblyman Chad Christensen, a long-shot candidate for U.S. Senate, is drafting a ballot initiative that would replicate the Arizona law in Nevada. Immigration is also a flashpoint in the governor’s race, with former federal Judge Brian Sandoval supporting the Arizona law and Gov. Jim Gibbons opposing it.
As a result of the law, Arpaio said, officers have more flexibility to ask people about their immigration status during workplace raids.
“Everything else, we’ve been doing it anyway, and we’ve been doing a good job without much controversy, outside of the demonstrators,” he said. “Let’s give the new law a chance.”
Arpaio has taken heat for turning the sheriff’s office into a sort of freelance immigration-enforcement agency. He has he set up a hot line for the public to report immigration violations, conducts crime and immigration sweeps in heavily Latino neighborhoods and frequently raids workplaces for people in the U.S. illegally.
Many in the Latino community consider him and his policies to be racist, a charge he denied with vigor.
“I’m not a racist, like people say I am,” he said. “I have never gone on the street corner and grabbed someone because they look like they’re from another country. We don’t do that.”
Officers ask about immigration status only if people have been detained for a crime, such as speeding, he said.
Arpaio portrayed himself as a victim, lamenting activists who have pictured him alongside Adolph Hitler and smashed pinatas with his image. He said Arizona’s immigration law is widely misunderstood, even as many groups have organized a business boycott of the state.
Addressing another criticism, he said the law protects victims and witnesses who are here illegally from deportation, noting that most of his office’s crime tips come from illegal immigrants.
“I think the panic and the hype and the misinformation is causing people to feel it’s worse that it is,” he said.
Arpaio said President Barack Obama has misunderstood the new law, saying perhaps the controversy called for a “beer summit” similar to when the president met with Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. and Cambridge, Mass., police Sgt. James Crowley to calm tensions after a racially-tinged arrest.
“Why doesn’t he invite me to the White House so I can have some wine?” Arpaio asked.
Still, the Obama administration has had its sights on Arpaio. He’s the target of a Justice Department investigation into discriminatory conduct. A federal grand jury met this week to explore allegations of abuses of power and prosecutorial authority, according to the Arizona Republic.
On Friday, Arpaio taunted federal investigators. “They’ve been at it for a year and a half,” he said. “I feel very comfortable they are not going to find anything on racial profiling.”
He also said controversy helps his poll numbers.
Arpaio said that his aggressive immigration enforcement has contributed to a reduction in the crime rate.
“Everybody is moving out of town. That’s a good thing,” he said. “Let them move to Nevada and California. I think our program is working as a deterrent.”
He said that 18 percent of inmates who go through the county jail system are found to be undocumented. Stepped-up enforcement is needed because of escalating violence on the border, he said.
“The violence has increased,” he said. “It’s volatile and it’s getting worse. It seems like the president can’t get a hold on it. I presume he’s doing the best he can. But people feel this violence is going to cross our borders. ... We have a 2,000-mile border that doesn’t seem secure, and there’s always that chance a terrorist could come across.”
For all his detractors, Arpaio had no apologies or regrets. “I’m not really sorry about anything I did in my life,” he said, before adding, “Maybe I should have run for governor — not now — years ago. Maybe that would have given me a chance to run for president.”
After an hour of jousting, he was off to speak to a group of conservatives at Stoney’s Rockin’ Country bar in Las Vegas, where pro-immigration groups planned to protest his appearance.
“The more the merrier,” Arpaio said. “They follow me everywhere. I hope they spend some money in your casinos.”
He should be U.S. Attorney General. Every County needs a Sheriff Joe.
I love this guy!! He is the only sheriff that has complete control of his county.
If every Sheriff and Chief of Police was like him crime in this country would drop by 90%
You have to love Sheriff Joe......He has always had zero tolerance for Crime and zero sympathy for Criminals.....The Law is the Law is the Law........Nevada needs him!!!!!!!
Sheriff JOE FOR U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL...BETTER YET FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!
this guy rocks,i wish we had him here or in the white house.
Yes Joe...you are doing the right thing!!! Many of my co-workers can not even visit Mexico. The criminals there are killing inocent people, murdering police, kidnapping women, blocading highways, burning building, and ruining lives. This is only a short car ride from inocent U.S. citizens. What are all these U.S. people doing protesting? I will gladly show you my passport any day. They are not welcome and need to go back to Mexico homeland to fix their nation. They are not welcome if they are not a citizen. Watch out illegals ...police should be at every McDonald's, Burger King, Target, Kohls, Safeway, Smiths, and Taco Bell next week....so have your papers ready!!!! or your suitcase! Praise Jesus for having borders....now mind your border! You are breaking our laws just being here....criminals
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Please use immigration laws, criminals, paperless people, welfare abusers, non-taxpayers, illegal public school kids, non-licensed drivers, and others illegally using our infrastructures/public services.....use these topics as your political agenda! We need these important topic at the top of discussions. Illegals need to leave and let U.S. citizens get the quality in public services that they pay. Illegals are over burdening our public service providers and leaving us with nothing. They are stealing our public services!!! Garbage collection, police, fire fighters, clerks, teachers, public defenders, Citizens....demand that the illegals go home!!!! Protest that all illegals are illegally here and stealing our services!!!!! stealing what we pay for. Stealing our water, highways, education, and more.
chediski...
What you said.
Very well, I might add.
chediski it seems you are just as much of the problem as the illegals. If you are a legal resident of the United States yet are unhappy because you at least have politicians who are wanting to correct a problem that our federal government has shown we the people they have little concern for, you my friend for all intense and purposes should think about moving out. From what you are saying you have no concern for the problems that undocumented immigrants are causing in our country. Bringing in deseases that aren't caught at their border crossings, forcing closures on hospitals because the hospitals can't get reimbersed on charges the illegals are running up. Costing each state to pay unemployment checks to the undocumented, Which our illustrious Harry Reid made possible. Murdering our citizens for no reason. Taking needed jobs away from every age group of our citizens and their children(young adults). Driving car insurance rates to go go up because they don't carry insurance but still get in accidents. I'm sure I could go on and on but my point is Mr.chediski if you are in the United States and don't see a problem with people here breaking federal laws, the only problem is with you. America, love it or leave it!
By chediski -
I will only comment on your rage because I know you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to this new Arizona law - a mirror-image of the FEDERAL Law that does the same thing. It seems that you don't know anything about the Mexican crime problem in the United States either.
The Legal Mexicans, and others, who are protesting include ILLEGAL Mexicans. But the LEGAL Mexicans should know that they are threatening and hurting the livelihood - the jobs and businesses of Arizona's TWO MILLION Mexican-American workers, who are U.S. Citizens - by their actions.
If you do the math, it has been reported that 70% (of the 6.6 MILLION residents of Arizona) APPROVE of this new law. Since 58% of residents are WHITE (= 4 million people), and 30% are of Hispanic heritage (= 2 million people) - that means a majority of the TWO MILLION LEGAL Mexicans (law abiding citizens) in Arizona also support the new law.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio, is just doing what he was ELECTED to do by the people of Arizona; enforce the law.
Obama and ICE have already said they would NOT enforce (Federal) immigration laws against Illegal immigrants. Obama wants a bigger solution to make all Illegal Aliens CITIZENS. He wants their vote. Pretty smart, huh!
So, if the Arizona Legislature does not pass such laws, and the State Police and the Sheriff do not enforce the law, WHO IS GOING TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF ARIZONA FROM INVADERS?
Arizona is already the KIDNAPPING CAPITOL of the United States. In case you don't know about them, there are M-13 gangs, and many other thousands of Mexican gang members, IN OVER 60 CITIES IN THE U.S., NOW.
These gangs rob, murder, intimidate, sell drugs, and kidnap people for money, and just because they can (ask your police department). M-13 criminals are VICIOUS, and they kill for a variety of reasons. They will be "coming to a town near you" - if they are not stopped.
So, what's it gonna be: Let Sheriff Joe stop the criminals in Arizona - before they move into Nevada? Or buy a .357 and try to stop them when they shown up in your neighborhood?
Send him back to Europe! Give the land back to the descendants of the people it was stolen from!
It is so nice to have mild mannered "Angry" back on the job...
Check this out!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F1jH6-3U...
AngryVoter - So you think that criminals and illegal aliens crossing the border of the United States without permission, do not a commit crime?
And you believe that if they run a red light, get caught speeding, drink and then drive poorly. or do something else suspicious - they should not be questioned JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PERSON WOULD BE?
DO you also believe that the police should not ASK ANYONE if they have a drivers license, car registration, insurance, etc. - JUST LIKE THEY WOULD FOR ANYONE ELSE?
And if, after doing something to get the attention of the police, such a person they cannot respond in English - would you believe the police should NOT ask ANYONE if they have a drivers licens, VISA, PASSPORT, etc. - or even if they are in the country LEGALLY?
How do we expect the police to find criminals and/or illegal aliens otherwise - so we are protected from home invasion, robbery, etc. - and you can live safely in your home with the freedom to complain about the police, and the laws they enforce - in privacyk and comfort?
In other words, give anyone Mexican or not - a free pass to go on their way?
first of all they are not called Mexicans they are Hispanics or Latin if your guys weren't idiots you would know the culture, there are a lot of nationalities for Hispanics so get it straight and this guy is a jack a** because u s citizens commit even greater crimes than illegal's for example ted bundy, scott kimball, N.Y. bomber and the list could go one, they are all u.s citizens. i totally agree with the illegal's who commit crimes, get them out of here but the one who are working and trying to earn a living for their family what are they doing to you? Taking your jobs? Yeah right they are doing the jobs we all would not do so instead of being so racist try to see from the point of view that they have families too and what to take care of them not hurt anyone.
They are Mexicans from Mexico. I don't know anyone from Spain (who would be hispanic) or a latino from Latin America, do you? LABabygurl get serious! You must be one of those entitled ones defending your non-working, welfaristic state you live in! Joe Arpaio is a breath of fresh air. Maybe someone should drive him by Star Nursery in the morning! Having to pass a law to enforce a law is sad and a huge waste of taxpayer money. BUT it had to be done! I can't wait for some gutsy Nevada politician to introduce the same bill as Arizona's new law. And if you don't like it here in Nevada, please move somewhere else! I'll be glad to help you pack! Besides I hear it's a real breeze to get on welfare, section 8 housing, food stamps and WIC in California plus the mayor of L.A. LOVES illegals! Nevada's prisons and jails are FULL up with illegals. Let's round 'em up, and move 'em out right back to Mexico where they came from!
Go Joe!!!
Lets just wait an see how Arapaio's FBI investigation plays out,Imagine if we passed this law here it would be great for our turism driven economy!
Go get em Chad Christensen. This is the right law for Nevada. Glad somebody is stepping up and taking this issue to the people of Nevada. Who cannot like that idea.
I wasn't sure who to go with in the Senate race before he brought up this issue. I'm in with Chad 100%
On Every Given day someone with a Visa drops out of sight and fail to return to there Homeland....Surprised????? You speak of border breaching....is it any less serious because the breachers are white or black or yellow with slanted eyes....When our Country decides to "REALLY" overhaul and enforce immigration.......Only then, will deportation have meaning.....Remember...It is not just the Hispanics!!!!!!
I wonder what Crimes these Illegals commit??
Africans
Arabs
Asians
Canadians
Europeans
Why do you all feel compelled to single out and hate the Hispanics??????
You guys are funny, do you think for a second
that the casinos are going to risk a penny of revenue lost if we passed this law hilarious!!!
To simple minded moron
If they can not even speak or understand English, then its a good bet I want some one to produce some proof they are here legal.. It appears you are the moron but then again, you may be one of those illegals do the yelling...go home
A letter written by Charlie Danials, the popular singer:
Part 1
I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I
think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally,
made a huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.
I don't blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the
United States of America , as it is a truly wonderful place.
But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal it is flat out wrong and I don't care how many lala land left heads come out of the woodwork and start trying
to give me sensitivity lessons.
I don't need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don't have any-thing against Mexicans! I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal
and if you don't believe it try coming into America from a foreign country without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me about the demonstrations is that it's tanta-mount to saying, "I am going to come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there's nothing you can do about it."
It's an "in your face" action and speaking just for me, I don't like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn't be happening.
Where are you, you bunch of lily livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the Potomac again?
And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be so pork laden and watered down that it won't mean anything anyway Besides, what good is another law going to do when you
won't enforce the ones on the books now?
And what ever happened to the polls, guys? I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. Well you sure ain't paying any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around eighty percent of Americans want some thing done about this mess, and mess it is and getting bigger everyday.
Charlie daniels letter Part 2:
This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can't happen here when the businesses who hire these people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets?
If you, Mr President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind of country your children and grand-children will inherit. But I guess that doesn't matter as long as you get re-elected.
Shame on you.
One of the big problems in America today is that if you have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of people (except Christians) you are going to be screamed at by the media and called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of to call you
Well I've been pounded by the media before and I'm still rockin' and rollin' and when it comes to speaking the truth I fear not.
And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop politicians are just about to sell out the United States of America because they don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to face reality.
And reality is that we would never allow any other group of people to have 12 million illegal in this country and turn around and say, "Oh it's ok, ya'll can stay here if you'll just allow us to slap your wrist."
And I know that some of you who read this column are saying "Well what's wrong with that?"
I'll tell you what's wrong with it. These people could be from Mars as far as we know. We don't know who they are, where they are or what they're up to and the way the Congress is going we're not going to.
Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already subsidize corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor as well?
If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to turn a blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or Afghanistan ?
I think not.
All the media shows us are pictures of hard working Hispanics who have crossed the border just to try to better their life.
They don't show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS 13, the violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks did. They don't tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican illegal some fat cat hired to pick his crop.
Charlie Daniels letter, part 3...final:
I want to make two predictions.
No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until it erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in Washington drag their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of political hay they can make to the acre.
No 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some kind of weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American city after which there will be a backlash such as this country has never experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will probably tilt as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the issue.
I don't know about you but I would love to see just one major politician stand up and say, "I don't care who I make mad and I don't care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate situation and I'm going to lead the fight to get it straightened out."
I don't blame anybody for wanting to come to America , but if you don't respect our immigration laws why should you respect any others?
And by the way, this is America and our flag has stars and stripes Please get that other one out of my face.
God Bless America
Charlie Daniels
I don't think people who oppose this law really understand what it means and why it was passed. It doesn't make the news much, but Arizona is practically a war zone right now, with home invasions and shootings more than many other places. Most of the incidents are due to illegal immigration and the drug trafficking that comes with it.
As for reasonable suspiscion, officers aren't going to be going around racially profiling people to stop them like the Gestapo. What reasonable suspiscion does allow, is for an officer to ask about immigration status if for example they stop a person without an American driver's license or social security number.
Lets bring this sheriff here!
whatch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BeOd_Ukm...
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From 2004 through November 2007, Arpaio was the target of 2,150 lawsuits in U.S. District Court and hundreds more in Maricopa County courts, with more than $50 million in claims being filed,[60] 50 times as many prison-conditions lawsuits as the New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Houston jail systems combined.[61] Allegations of cruel treatment of inmates as well as living conditions have been cited by Amnesty International in a report issued on the treatment of inmates in Maricopa County facilities.[62]
Family members of inmates who have died or been injured in jail custody have filed lawsuits against the sheriff's office. Maricopa County has paid more than $43 million in settlement claims during Arpaio's tenure
It is the out of control liberalism that has put us in this situation in the first place...bleeding heart law-makers that are destroying our nation at a rate unprecedented in U.S. history...they have created this crap pile and now it must be cleaned up by Govenor's such as Arizona's and Sheriff's like Joe Arpaio. It is one hell of a mess these liberals have created and it will take strong men and women to correct it. This is just a start...and don't expect any help from that Socialist Marxist in the White House!
I bet if AngryVoter was walking down the street tomorrow and a police officer asked to see some ID he/she would show it, IMO. I wonder what would happen to me if I was in Mexico and told a Federal cop to F off if he asked me for my ID. Anyways, I have no problem with illegals..If your arrested for a crime then you do your time and then your deported. If your a good guy then you get a work card but not citizenship until you get in the back of the line. But I believe English should be the national language. I drive down Eastern (north) and can't tell if I'm in Mexico or the U.S. thank god for the occasional fast food joints that still have their signs in english.
Joe Arpaio for president.
He will not put bandaid on these problems.
Bravo AZ, may our leaders in NV follow your example. Illegals are law breakers whether they are coming from South of the border, Asia, Europe, the Middle East. Enough is enough. NO to illegals. Time to toughen up on immigration and labor laws. Government agencies task to enforce these laws meant to protect American citizens and Legal residents of the United States need to grow balls and start taking care of problem with regards to illegals in this country.
Joe Arpaio is a patriot. People in Arizona love him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z88wdxE3j...
Not all Mexican-Americans are against this SB1070 in Arizona. The Latinos that are against the bill are the ones that have illegal relatives living in the United States. Maybe they're illegal themselves. Who the hell knows? It's kinda like termites. They eat the foundation away and the whole structure comes down. These illegals are the people that screwed Mexico up and now they want to do the United States the same way. All the Latin American countries are so messed up it isn't even funny. Look at that horses ass in Venezuela. Argentina and Uraguay and Brazil harbored Nazi war criminals for 65 years now. Eichmann was captured down there. Martin Borman died in South America, the Mexican illegals won't be happy until they f*ck our country up like they did theirs.
Joe Arpaio is a patriot with many many years of public service. With the Military, the DEA and now the Maricopa County Sheriff. What the hell have you done for this country?
Arpaio set up a "Tent City" as an extension of the Maricopa County Jail. Tent City is located in a yard next to a more permanent structure containing toilets, showers, an area for meals, and a day room. It has become notable particularly because of Phoenix's extreme temperatures.
During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 F (43 C), Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents, have to wear full body armor, and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths." Tent City is criticized by criminals everywhere.
What is the argument here? every single alien "BROKE THE LAW!" Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.
This refusal to abide by our Constitution should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!
Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison, Educate the invaders children,free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws, massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WAKE UP PEOPLE! They walked,rode,swam and drove over here, they can do the same going home! taking thier anchor babies with them!
Sheriff Joe is like a living caricature of Boss Hog. Having throwbacks like him in charge of ANYTHING
exacerbates the issues one intends to mitigate.
Joe Arpaio ROCKS!!!! I wish EVERY sheriff in the country was like him. Thumbs up to Arizona for having the backbone to do what our federal government hasnt has the stomach to do.. I will be traveling to Arizona soon and spending my hard earned money there to replace the knuckleheads who are boycotting the state..
Get with the program all you bozos who oppose the Arizona law. Its the same as the Federal law that has been in affect for as long as I can remember. Where where you then. Busy sneaking across our border?
Just get the hell out of our country, and spend the time you have to protest here bettering your own country.
Sheriff Joe Arpaio es un patriota!
If you can't take the time don't do the crime. If you break in here and get reported, don't be surprised when you get deported.
Notice it is only the liberals' definition of PC which mandates using fear with racial tactics to control. To have ultimate control they also need masses of people in poverty. It is not very hard to see [and hear] that it is only the liberals who scream loud - while fed-up citizens across the states are speaking out rationally. Arizona is lucky indeed to have politicians who do their job of serving the citizens which elected them.
As most Pennsylvanian tax payers of ALL race support this bill, in a matter of day's people in a small area of Pennsylvania already have 130 buses reserved to travel to Arizona to show them our support. The idea of mom's & pops all across our nation supporting Arizona is phenomenal. Besides the bus trips being planned across our nation, many will be giving the air lines some needed business if the flying rates to Arizona do not skyrocket with demand. A week in June is being designated as support Arizona week, but I believe it should be an entire support Arizona Summer" this many people from all over the states could not possibly fit into Arizona at the same time.
There are a few hundred thousand of illegal alien rights supporters with very big loud mouths. There are millions upon millions of legal U.S. citizens of all races whom are totally fed up with the liberal Obama administration for considering another amnesty or legalization program to provide more social welfare to criminals at our and our children's expense. Over half of the illegal's here working 8 years already has some sort of form or/and request for citizenship papers already filed. The system is slow and backed up, but they will eventually get citizenship. New young war veterans have a much longer wait for benefits already earned and an unemployment rate over 21.1 percent and climbing. Following in line employing young war veterans during a bad economy most states, especially Pennsylvania's field investigation office of Homeland Security's inspector general, and many local Sheriff Departments, will all greatly benefit by employing those who served our Country to now serve the people of their own town, and neighboring areas. This immigration law will respectfully help restore our economy as it has been already proven to do so in history. It is has been said that the third time is the charm so hopefully this time it means we also permanently secure our borders.
it's amazing to me that the las vegas sun is allowing this individual to post here under the screen name of "arpaiowilldie".I wonder how the Sun would react if somebody was posting screen names that involved some of our more liberal elected officials?
Folks, we as Americans should know that you CANNOT pick and choose which laws you want to follow and which laws you do NOT want to follow. We Americans need to STAND UP NOW and tell them enough is enough! FOLLOW the LAW! kick out every illegal alien and their children, send them back to Mexico or wherever it is they are from! they are abusing the system!, and you can bet LARAZA is behind a majority of this! healthcare? say NO to covering illegals out of our pockets! we have done this far to long! and are now facing the consequences! Our schools are overcrowded with them! they get free foodstamps! free medical! free places to live! why would they NOT want these things?? it is TIME for them to GO HOME! Let mexico deal with its own, or they can go their and change thier own country! As an American Citizen iam TIRED of footing the bill here! where in the CONSTITUTION does it say "sneak across the border, drop a child and get free living, compliments of the U.S.Taxpayer??? what did our forefathers fight and die for?? this SNAFU? tell your Non-representing -representatives that it is time to FOLLOW THE LAW! every last one of them that set foot across our border BROKE THE LAW! they need to be apprehended, deported, and if they come back, build a prison in MEXICO and let them take care of their own!
http://immigrationcounters.com/
arpaiowilldie asked:
"Do the "Mayflower" word remain you about something??????"
Um...okay...what???
Want to try that one more time in English, por favor?
Cops dont profile in Arizona
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxPFHSF8s...
I'd rather live in Arizona than in Nevada! I love Sheriff Joe!
Why is it that Liberals don't like Sheriff Joe?
Maybe Liberals selectively apply the law via their political beliefs...
I wish we could "clone" sheriff Joe. Anyone in or going in law enforcement, should have to take sheriff Joe 101 classes. Support your local sheriff!
VOTE FOR JOE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!
All the conservative posters here need to chill out with all the inane comments about liberals. Especially you Larry Vegas who has never contributed one smart comment in these forums.
I, as a liberal independent, believe that illegal immigration does hurt America.
The main reason, however, that this has become such a problem of epic proportions is that again, employers hire these folks. Period. Be mad at US corporations that profit from cheap labor. The vast majority of these people are looking to make a living and doing jobs that you would never dream of doing in conditions you couldn't imagine.
Secondly, as both sides have failed to do, time will tell what the ramifications of this law will have for regular, tax-paying Hispanic-Americans like myself. Right now, it's unclear.
However, considering all that training and so forth that cops will have to do to protect themselves legally, I guarantee you still that it won't be long before many lawsuits will be filed for improper stops.
Time will tell.
As for the charges of racism, yes, it's overblown. However, that said, I can understand where they come from, because there's no issue that gets all you Sean Hannitys and Glenn Becks all juiced up. Nothing. You stubbing your big toe- blame the illegals. Your wife is ugly. Blame the illegals. So don't be surprised by the charges when this is the single issue that gets you in a tizzy. Meanwhile, you were dead silent about the issue when Dubya was in office for eight years.
The elitist Liberals think that it is OK for illegal aliens to work certain jobs that Liberals think is beneath them to perform.
These Liberals can't bring themselves to face the fact that there are people (Conservatives) who will work just about any job to put food on their tables.
Sheriff Joe is always welcome in my town.
From the information collected, the people against Sheriff Joe are law breakers, their friends and families and illegals, their friends and families.
Law abiding citizens want more Sheriff Joes.
Go Joe!
go joe maybe there is hope afer all.i think the mexico houseing market doing good these days
Has Mexico's unemployment rate reached 9.9% yet???
WTF this must be the biggest group of uneducated folks in this country. You guys want to blame liberals? What are you crazy...Conservative GW Bush was going to give them all amnesty until 9/11. Why? Because his corporate sponsors love the cheap labor. I will say this one time, because if you can read and comprehend english then you should be able to get the facts yourself rather than repeating what someone else said. AZ SB 1070 violates the 4th amendment plain and simple.
heres a link to the bill
http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bi...
heres a link to our constitution
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charter...
to all of you people who think non citizens or criminals are not entitled to these rights...go ahead and read amendment 14.
It amazes me just how ignorant and clueless people can be...
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charter...
this one will be easier for ya
I like Axiom's comments.
A left-leaning independent, I absolutely support this law, and wish people for it would quickly become more vocal and active.
You conservatives who are racist are not helping matters at all. You are a reason that people can legitimately cry "racism" out of fear of how this law is going to be enforced.
If you are truly against illegal immigration, then leave the name calling and racist comments out, and maybe people would be more inclined to listen to you.
how do ilegals keep comeing up with contracters licenses .maybe its the big home builders at fault for hireing all these workers for cheap to build all the knew homes .
I would be for this law if they did not allow "reasonable suspicion of being in the US unlawfully" to be probable cause....they need to define reasonable suspicion so that my hispanic looking butt is not wrongly harrassed, if they did that then I would say let every state mandate it, but for some reason they took more time to write 347 lines to protect the rights of employers that hire illegals, the bill just stinks of a partisan joke.
I tuned into the local nut talk station to hear Arpaio's speech and I couldn't hear anything because of poor sound quality. The two kooky "commentatters" -one a former Ensign staffer and Republican official - could not be heard either.
Only in Vegas do you get a sub-par station, worse than a high school station.
We need a sheriff Arpaio. It's good to see that some are actually taking action and not pro-moting ILLEGAL activity which is what these protesters sre doing. Anybody associated with these protesters you should wonder what their motives and adgends are. Nevada needs to follow Arizona's lead! It's called leadership.
For those opposing the law, I challenge you to spend a month in the areas of Phoenix where the human and drug trafficing is happening. Homes in the middle of normal neighborhoods packed with 60-100 illegals waiting for armed "coyotees" pick them up, thousands of men walking through the desert armed and carrying as much in drugs as they can rolled up in a cloth on their back.
The law isn't about profiling people, it's about being able to enforce the law when they pull over someone (coyotee) and are concerned they are here illegally.
If you've never seen it you cannot have any idea how bad of a situation it is in AZ. Coyotee's are people here who transport illegals. They are pulled over for speeding typically and the officers get suspicious because there are 10-15 people in a vehicle and the driver doesn't know who the people in the car are. Today they can arrest people if they suspect they are here illegally and turn them over to ICE, but if ICE doesn't come or arrives after the defined holding time they have to let them go. The new law lets them hold, fine and inprison them in some cases.
What's the difference between an illegal immigrant from Sweden and an illegal immigrant from Mexico?
There is none. (There are no illegal immigrants from Sweden.)
But, if Arizona tries to enforce the immigration law, the authorities should question blue-eyed guys with blonde hair and a Swedish accent because questioning anyone else would be considered racial profiling.
Welcome to liberal-logic!
I'm not for illegal immigration.
But Sheriff Joe is one of the biggest media ho's around. Somebody who has never met a news conference he didn't love and tried to muscle his way into.
Seriously, anything he supports I need to look at very carefully, because he's totally into himself and the attention. Doesn't automatically mean that he's wrong about everything. But never ever trust his motives.
I bet law enforcement would "question blue-eyed guys with blonde hair and a Swedish accent..."
Everyone who gets pulled for a traffic infraction, and suspects encountered during arrests should be questioned, just like the Border Patrol check points do.
If you have not been questioned at a Border Patrol check point:
They usually ask all passengers in a vehicle to announce their citizenship by asking: "Of what county are you a citizen of?" or something real similar.
Based on the response of traveler, the vehicle is either allowed to proceed or is pulled over for a more intense questioning.
Nothing at all to be afraid of unless you are an illegal alien...
I bet the slapstick is not a real fan of Obama.
But, I have no issue with keeping a close eye on all elected officials, including sheriffs and those who enforce our laws.
Of course, don't forget to keep a close eye on those elected officials who make the laws...
nevadaroadapples...
we wish you lived in Arizona too!
Could we help you pack your bags?
According to "joe vegas", larry's brother,
"It is the out of control liberalism that has put us in this situation in the first place...bleeding heart law-makers that are destroying our nation at a rate unprecedented in U.S. history...they have created this crap pile and now it must be cleaned up by Govenor's such as Arizona's and Sheriff's like Joe Arpaio."
Where do you naive ninny's come up with this stuff?
You think "liberals" left the freaking barn door open? Do you pay ANY attention to what's going on, or do you just pop out of your hole and speak
every now and then?
washington has no idea what up in the wild west .wasent there a movement for a southern ca and northen ca.maybe we should have west america and a east america. sheriff joe runs the west obooba runs the east.build a wall all the way down the the middle.
We need to put the clamps on immigration; Form a line, kids. We need e-verify; we need to get the people in this country illegally LEGAL STATUS, or send them south, or wherever they arrived from... But we ain't gonna run around with Sheriff JimBobJoe from Arizona acting like the Keystone Gestapo Coppers... it's unamerican, and not very efficient.
You guys that are all hip to do this because of the crime need to realize something; These bad guys aren't gonna get "rounded up" because of the new AZ law. It's just not going to happen.
Sheriff Joe arrests more people, not just illegals!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F1jH6-3U......
Good grief, Larry.
I love how you righty's JUST LOVE YOUR CONSTITUTION unless it suits you otherwise.
"heck, if yer not up to no good, don't be afraid; answer their questions!"
papers, please?
where are you going? where are you from? do you have a job? how much money do you have on you? when was the last time you used a passport? should you be out this late? this early? when was your last contact with a government official? why were you seen talking to a librarian? do you owe a lot of money to people? where are your family members? do you know what a goolag is? Nyet? well, our sheriff has some accomadations for you. right this way.
The people that hosted Arpaio on the radio Friday in Vegas, have been removed from their Saturday show. They now have infomercials... instead of their nuttiness.
funny lasvegas 2009 they already show there papers yea its called food stamps
Wow!!! I can see a conservative take over of america where critical thinking and common sense will be soon banned!!!
"nor does it have anything to do with native american peoples who lived in the SW portion of this continent long before the Texicans scammed them out of it."
-direct quote from one of Angryvoter's illogical rants
So that's what it's all about, eh? Taking it back for the "Raza"? And you wonder why, how did you say "squinty-eyed white people" are passing laws to get the illegals out?
Arizona is only the beginning. I love it when the supporters of illegal ERRRRR "undocumented" immigrants scream about the indignities they have suffered, they're just adding nails in your collective coffins. We are a nation of Laws, despite what the current Congress and President seem to believe, and illegals are breaking the Law just by being here. Yes they should return to Mexico if they are unable or unwilling to follow our immigration Laws.
But go ahead and keep demonstrating and shouting accusations of racism when it is completely beside the point. We're on to you now...
and LOL @ lectrocution citing the 14th amendment, which directly contradicts his/her argument.
that's the "due process" amendment, doesn't say anything about allowing criminals and illegals full rights of U.S. citizens. Sorry!
Boo hoo hoo... gmager is trying to scare people with his Liberal spin...
I guess he has never been through a Border Patrol check point.
I have a better idea for the gmager and his bleeding heart Liberal associates...
Instead of SB-1070, beef up and move the Border Patrol into the cities. They will not have the restrictions that SB-1070 puts on Arizona's law enforcement officers.
The Border Patrol is authorized to set up check points and actually check for citizenship. The Border Patrol also has the authority to go into any business and verify citizenship of not only the employees but also all of it's customers.
So which would you rather have. Local law enforcement using probable cause to question those people that have been encountered breaking the law, or Federal Officers stopping people to determine their citizenship.
Since there is a lack of Border Patrol Officers, maybe the Governor can call up the National Guard and give them the Federal Immigration Arrest Authority. That way, they can position their armored vehicles around cities and conduct real citizenship checks.
Which way do you like???
Larry, I don't think of the ENTIRE STATE of Arizona as "the border"; I've been through the US/Canadian Border patrol quite a few times. You should try it. Fantastic fishing, Lar. and BEER. But, I don't expect that once I PASS THE BORDER, into or out of the country, that ENTIRE STATES OR PROVINCES are "BORDER" checkpoints where I may be "asked a few questions".
gmager may not think of the entire state of Arizona as the border, but that does not change to authority of the Border Patrol. They can put up check points in Colorado if they like, and they have...
ok lets give out free nights stay at all the big casino when illegals check in ask them for ther papers border patrol waiting in valet paprkin hauls them back to mexico
2,700 Lawsuits Filed Against Arpaio
Between 2004 and 2007, 2,700 lawsuits were filed against Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Federal and County Courts -- 50 times the number of New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Houston combined. [Phoenix New Times, 6/10/08 and 12/7/07]
Study Finds Arpaio Targets Latinos
The Arizona Republic examined Arpaios arrest logs from eight of his notorious and high-profile sweeps. The study "showed that deputies arrested more Latinos than non-Latinos during each of the operations; that even when the patrols were held in mostly White areas, deputies arrested more Latinos than non-Latinos; and that deputies arrested Latinos in greater numbers than non-Latinos following minor traffic violations." [Arizona Republic, 11/24/08]
Phoenix Mayor Asks US Department of Justice to Investigate Arpaio
The Mayor of Phoenix, Phil Gordon, "wrote a letter to U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey asking that the Justice Department's civil-rights division and the FBI investigate Arpaio's immigration crackdowns. He alleged that the sweeps included "a pattern and practice of conduct that includes discriminatory harassment, improper stops, searches and arrests."" [Arizona Republic, 11/24/08]
http://americasvoiceonline.org/research/...
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By the comments made on this board, I guess many of you think this irresponsible and solipsistic man is a good sheriff. I am glad he is not my sheriff. If he held political office he would be considered a demagogue. As sheriff, he is the law unto himself. Maricopa County can have the crazy narcissist.
A WEB SITE with a good discussion of the issue of immigration, and potential solutions:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports...
@ lectrocuda - re: REASONABLE SUSPICION. Your point about the 4th Amendment providing: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons..." - applies ONLY TO CITIZENS of the United States; NOT to people who break the law (citizen or not).
ANY PERSON crossing the US border illegally, is guilty of committing a crime against the United States - which is tantamount to "invasion," and is subject to criminal prosecution and deportation - as prescribed by law.
If someone DOES NOT believe they violated a law, or were illegally detained - they can CHALLENGE the arrest, the charge, AND the law. That is "due process" - again, according to law.
If we are to remain a free Republic, our laws must be obeyed. OPPOSITE actions of people will produce ANARCHY. I don't think anarchy is what aliens are seeking when they come to America.
The U.S. Constitution was written for "We the people...." - CITIZENS; NOT for aliens. But the Constitution also provides for immigration via naturalization, according to law.
Along with Citizenship comes responsibility. And aliens must DEMONSTRATE their willingness to obey the laws of the United States. Any protest saying that enforcing a law is "picking on Illegal Aliens" - is by definition, an untrue and inadmissible claim.
Police Officers I know in Arizona tell me NO ONE has been or will be arbitratily SELECTED OUT because of how they look. They only arrest people who violate a law, or are on wanted posters.
Besides,there ae TWO MILLION Legal Mexican American Citizens in Arizona. So, who would you select?
ARIZONA'S LAW does nothing to discriminate against people.
All such claims must be for political gain, or taking advantage of an opportunity to raise sympathies towards another agenda.
And these protests are NOT about Civil Rights either. The issue is about illegal aliens breaking US/State laws.
Arizona's law only became necessary because President Obama has REFUSED to allow ICE to enforce the existing (mirror-image) federal immigration law - which Congress passed.
I hope this clears up your concern. Lets allow the law to work; to protect the people of Arizona and the US.
If it doesn't work, we will change it. But lets not damm everyone in Arizona, or boycott the 6.6 MILLION people in Arizona - of which 2 MILLION ARE LEGAL Mexican Americans.
News reports say 70% + Arizonas residents support the new law. Are 6 million people bigots?.
Larry option 2 is a winner!
You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal"
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California ..
Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".
Ready? Now pay attention...
Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 Per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or
$31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for His family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now Has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has
$31,200.00.
Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or Welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per Year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps And welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal Still has $ 31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal Now has $7,231.00.
Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, Etc.
Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities,
Gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after Work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get A government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after School ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, But Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.
FAIR OR NOT FAIR...??? You tell me...
OOOPS! Correction to my last post above -
liljoe31 is correct in his rebuttal of what lectrocution said citing the 14th amendment.
AS PART OF MY comment on the issue of REASONABLE SUSPICION that lectrocution raised, I mis-stated my quote as the "4th Amendment"; lectrocution was talking about as the 14th Amendment.
This reference was an error on my part.
My reference SHOULD READ: "the 4th ARTICLE" of the Constitution - not Amendment. The rest of the post is correct.
Please excuse my typo...
Sherrif Joe...what a sad little fellow....However, what this has done is put some focus and urgency on the topic of both Legal and Illegal Immigration reform...Long overdue and neglected by both parties...If we get by the racism and rhetoric we may just accomplish something...Maybe....
OK. Lets say that Arizona is a state with a population of 6.6 million people (2009 U.S. Census) - BUT ALL THE PEOPLE ARE MEXICAN - and citizens of the United States.
And then the legislature writes this seemingly, onerous law to protect the border, arrest illegal alliens, and bag criminals with guns, drugs, etc.
Since, in this scenario, all of the people of the state are MEXICAN, would they pass such a law to protect themselves and their families from murder, rape, robbery, drugs, etc.???
And, to make the point even stronger, lets say that YOU are a LEGAL MEXICAN who lives and works in Arizona.
Under the existing conditions of lawlessness in Arizona, Do you want the police to enforce such a law?
Since 2 million current legal Mexicans want this law, I suggest you might want it too for the same reasons they do.
gmag, hold a grudge much? no one is to blame for your pathetic life but yourself. well maybe a lack of parenting contributed, but get over it and get on with life.
o thats a good post fed up wih this even though its been on all the other forums you forgot to explain were joe illegal 31000 dollers end at i kow were at the chevy dealership funny didnt gm ask for help from the goverment any ways the rest of joe illegalmoney went to the tire and wheel shop before heading south to boost mexicos houseing market.
"Since there is a lack of Border Patrol Officers, maybe the Governor can call up the National Guard and give them the Federal Immigration Arrest Authority. That way, they can position their armored vehicles around cities and conduct real citizenship checks."
That is just CRAZY stupid. Why do teabaggers hate our freedoms???
ARIZONA'S LAW does nothing to discriminate against people.
All such claims must be for political gain, or taking advantage of an opportunity to raise sympathies towards another agenda.
And these protests are NOT about Civil Rights either. The issue is about illegal aliens breaking US/State laws.
Arizona's law only became necessary because President Obama has REFUSED to allow ICE to enforce the existing (mirror-image) federal immigration law - which Congress passed.
@socratic inkwell.......this situation was like this long before Obama, and the law clearly eliminates probable cause, read it...
iwonder if arnold has his paper work you think ca liforina would jump on the band wagon with sheriff joe .we could have check point on all the freeway offramps going up and down highway nintynine and I fivetry driveing north on a sunday night half these people have never had a vaild drivers lic or insurance.YOU could wait at all the gas stations and rest stops .sheriff joe would have a field day.
Why do the bleeding heart Liberals want to give away our freedoms???
LarryVegas
The bleeding heart liberals are for freedom..freedom from papers and free everything else..
Free loaders, free pass, freebies, free health care, free food, free houses, freedom from taxes, freeedom from wallets (no license, permits, ss cards) free to walk across the border..free free free
But No Free for you and your ilk...because..you are...fill in the blank ________.
okra..We don't want to take away YOUR freedoms. Just your cousins from South of The Border. Are you trying to get your raggedy assed relatives in here on a free pass?
Keep as much money in America as possible.
No money transfers that do not originate from an FDIC insured bank account. Same documents for an I-9 are required to open a bank account.
E-verify.
Deport people who hire illegals. Let's keep the friends together.
Legal status, never citizenship. Anchor baby becomes meaningless for an illegal parent.
Illegals given legal status pay higher income tax as a penalty.
Two mile wide DMZ, 1 mile from Mexico, one from America. Fence only the roads through the DMZ. No stopping allowed.
Have the military patrol the DMZ and shoot to kill. NO questions asked. Don't want to die, don't enter. Oh clearly mark the boundaries of the DMZ with a paved patrol road. (Keep the Dust down for the EPA)
If all the Latin Americans want their relatives to live in the United States as protected citizens why not petition the Mexican President and apply for a Protectorate. That's how all the Filipinos got in here. That's how all the Puerto Ricans got in here. Of course I am assuming that the Mexican President can read.
Way to go Joe.
I want to know what the Mayflower has to do with 2010? Since the Mayflower, we have established a government of this country, and a constitution, and laws. We might all be immigrants, whose ancestors came here from other countries, but they went to Ellis Island, learned english, Learned about the history of this country, took a test and stood before a judge to be granted citizenship and felt privilaged to be here. They didn't slither across the border in the dark, or jump the border to have their kid and suck off the system here. Obama plans to reward law breakers, and an important reason to remember is, for his own personal gain... the vote.Those that advocate it, and make it difficult to enforce the laws for the betterment of our states,are the reason we have the problems we have.
What is the definition of "reasonable" and when does "reasonable" become "unreasonable".
When exactly is "sunrise" and exactly how do you know you have achiheved "sunset". Where do you guage it? The plains, the mountain, a hill, which horizon?
If we had no illegal immigrants in this country, there would be no reasonable basis to question anyone's legal status.
Having established that there are in fact Illegal immigrants in the United States, a fact which no one seems to dispute, I believe we have established a reasonable cause to ask the question and in fact because of the situation it is not an unreasonable request.
"Unreasonable" search is the action is given protection under the constitution.
Also given the fact that any and all people who are in this country legally can prove their status without an "unreasonable" effort. It is not an "unreasonable" request.
Those vociferously and bositerously protesting Sheriff Arpaio in Vegas where obviously and significantly hispanics !
I have wintered in Arizona since th 60's and visited Vegas dozens of times also. I noticed the difference in overcrowded housing,vilent crime and lowering of the living standards in both States since the Mexican invasion ! I particularly realised that when I could enjoy Vegas without harrassment, these days you can't walk around the strip without an endless line of Mexicanos shoving whore house pamphlets and other solicitation in your face, something tourists detest ! We come there to get away from this high pressure crap !
If all the Mexicans went back today to the hovels they crawled out of and I have been south of the boreder several times, so I do not say this lightly ! No one would miss them at all ! No other Country would tolerat millions of neighbours flooding over their borders like the Mexicans have and destroying the very essence of the American way of life. America doesn't want to change to Tijuana, or Cuidad Juarez, they can see in the daily newspapers and on the 6'0 clock news where these people have come to America from and they do not want them bringing their crime and carnage North of de border !
In this respect, you have to live in the SW US to see the difference. I lived in LA for 25 years and when the Mexicans, El Salvadorans, Jamaicans, etc. and the gangs eventuated there, murder rape and robbery went through the roof, what was taboo in America was everyday normality so to speak south of de border.
Arizona has done what the feds and other American States wished they had done a long time ago, stopped the flo from Mexico and all the other hapless places these unwelcome, undesirables drift in from ! We have over a million illegals in the UK too and they have all but destroyed our society and way of life here as well !
White Las Vegans should be out in force, supporting Arpaio, not allowing a bunch of the very unlawful creatures he is busting and deporting in Arizona to arrogantly confront and defy him. He is fighting for all LEGAL Americans.......WHO WANT THEIR COUNTRY B A C K.
fantazamaraz: British Writer-Critic-Broadcaster. Former top radio DJ, UK, Australia, US.
"Armored vehicles" surrounding our cities, so they can conduct "real citizen checks."
The teabagger morans complain about big bag gub'mint on the one hand. Yet they root for a police state with the other.
"White Las Vegans should be out in force, supporting Arpaio..."
More teabagger brilliance. This time with an international flair. Tell me, fanta, do they speak in English in the UK? Because it sounds like you're well edumucated in it!
*"He needs to go to Germany and to concentration camps, where his beliefs are valued," protester Sara Elsing, 50, told the Las Vegas Sun. >> Why do Protesters of AZ-SB1070 continually reference WWII, Nazi Germany and The Final Solution council as their primary fuel for comparison? >> The Jews were Organized ( into the slums ), Categorized ( Men, Women, Children & the Handicapped ) and Separated ( forced labor camps, industrial workers, Medical Research, Gas Chambers / Buried ALIVE in MASS Graves because the Nazi's didn't want to waste bullets ). Untold MILLIONS were EXTERMINATED in Europe and abroad by Germany's then Nazi Party >> HOW DARE THEY COMPARE THE PLIGHT OF THE JEWS ( and other minorities ) AS AN EQUIVALENT TO THE HOLOCAUST !!!
RE: FedUpWithThis- AMEN!!
Keep it up Okra. You are fighting the good fight against the forces of ignorance and bigotry.
The illegals are all criminals in the U.S. They broke the law just being here. So lets not call them illegals; lets just refer to them what they are "CRIMINALS". If they break one law....what is going on in the mind of a person who gets away free and clear after breaking the law? Go Home....your vacation is over.
It is offensive to the senses to think that any REAL American would defend an illegal alien.
I guess they think they are harmless little critters. Well critters they are but harmless they aren't. The only people in Arizona that think the Mexican border hoppers are harmless are their Mexican/American relatives. The whole Mexican/American population are traitors for supporting the aliens. They are not Real Americans. They're just here to support thieves and rapists. They may not realize it but the authorities are watching them all very closely.
*Question. -Does Nevada have anything close to "The Arizona Legal Workers Act"? ( see, http://www.azcentral.com/specials/specia... ) >> If not,... now would be a good day to start pushing one onto the Nevada Legislators,... Put some of your LEGAL citizens back to work and, send the Illegal Immigrants ( Canadian, Europeans, Asians, Balkans, Africans,... ) back to their native countries !!!
Illegal immigrants in the United States is out of control.The figures are astronomical and something has to be done.We have seen the lack concern from our Federal Government way to long.being from the South and seeing the numbers of illegals working in my previous field "CONSTRUCTION" at any given point on the jobs I worked on was ridiculas.
To give some of you an example There was a day the saws were sawing the hammering was hammering the machines were running and on top of a hill on the back side of the property there was two me with the State of Mississippi EPA taking pictures of areas of run off water from the job site.
The next thing I know everything went silent.Workers running jumping fences running through the woods tool bags left laying on the ground vehicles still sitting there and the job was about 98% abandoned.
The next 3 days there was hardly any work done because those who ran were afraid to come back.
To be honest I thought it was funny at first then it hit me out of about 250to 300 workers on that job at least 95% were illegal in this country.You may think that this is an exageration but it is not.All I know is that we had about 30 men working on that job for days.
No it was not my company who had hired these illegals but my company was the general contractor who hired the sub-contractors,then the sub-contractors hired on legal to write the check to and then he dispursed the payroll.
The company I worked for did the proper checks with the government on its employees and we were several times not allowed tohire individuals because their paperwork was not correct according to federal law.
Now the General Contractor I worked for could not get in trouble because they were not employed by us.The sub-contractor would not get in trouble because the employee they wrote the checks was legal.The only person who would get in trouble would be the employee that the check was being written to if he did not pay taxes on the income.
How do you stop this and cut down on all the illegal immigrants from working hereis to pass laws that say if the job site or place of work has illegal workers and are caught the General contractor and all sub-contractors be fined 5000.00 if an illegal work is caught on that job or place of business.This would force that all Contractors insure that all workers are legal.How do you do this it is simple all workers tat are on the job be required to carry worksite ID's and if they do not have this then they are asked to leave until they have been cleared.
If our government did this it would cut illegal workers down by at least 50% The illegals would have no choice but to go home or starve.No racial profiling every worker on the job White African American Hispanic Italian,Irishman,Canadian,all workers be required OH thats right the left wing liberals would find a problem with that also.Welcome to the Obama Meltdown
It is too bad that the editors of the LV SUN has allowed a person to post under the name of:
"arpaio will die"
Come on LV SUN, clean up your site...
In case the moderators of the LV SUN needs a little more help...
"arpaiowilldie" = "Arpaio Will Die"
To Sharp.....Your offensive for even trying to gauge how American a person is by wether or not they agree with you! That is the embodiement of all that is wrong in this country, obviously you have know idea as to what it means to be American and I wish people like you would say things like that in public so we can deal with it in a way that I know works......obviously most of you slanderers would rather hide behind your screens and let your fingers do what your mouth cant handle.
My days posting on here may just be coming to an end, because if you are the only normal person amongst a sea of crazy people, your crazy by default just for being there. Wake up and get an education...read a book....do something other than jump on the bandwagon and criticizing others for not taking the ride.
whaaaat? my ancestors came from Ireland on a merchant boat. What is your point anyway? That it should be just fine that illegals infiltrate this country and suck off the system, contributing to our budget crisis, because, when america was founded they killed the natives to settle here? I bet if you could, you would also blame Bush for that invasion. Has absolutely nothing to do with whats happening today. Your ancestors may have had slaves, does that mean today,2010, you would advocte an african american uprising because of what happened back then? The liberal party, uses the history to justify what they want, but then criticize the republicans for using history as an example of what might be a good idea: example: bartering.Its only ok if a liberal says its ok, I get it now.
working on job sites were you are the only legal citizen happens everday. sad but true theres nothing being done about it in this country thats why somemany workers are out of a job in the trades.Lets let all these borderbusters take over all the goverment jobs .the people on top the elitesdont care there not loseing there livly hood to these people there just profitingfrom cheap labor.some say they are doing the jobs no one else wants funny those jobs have been getting done for years before the illegals have took them all away.Fine are take away the lics of these contracters they know who they are.these buisness owners under bid all yhe other small companys get all the the work and piece work it out to there illegals who will take the abuse with a smile its not the workers its thebig guy on top just drive into any sub divison being built.
and okra, its not about bigger govt, its about govt doing their job. Priorities. Govt wants to control and make you pay for them to monitor what your kids eat, but they don't want to keep our country safe. If I wanted govt to parent my kids, I'd live in a third world country. we don't need big govt, we need personal responsibility in the people. why is it you feel an entitlement instead of working for what you have?
Why are illegals hired in the first place? Let me tell you why....
I've worked in the U.S. (Nevada) legally along side legal U.S. citizens and let me tell you, I've worked in many places across the globe, The U.S. was the worst by far. Their workers are LAZY, WHINY, PENNY COUNTING BABIES, OPPORTUNISTS. They can devise the most elaborate plan to squeeze an extra penny out of their employer but try to get them to actually work. They are the most immature, counter productive workers in the world. The U.S. was BUILT by illegal immigrants BECAUSE they actually WORK for their money. No wonder the U.S.A. has such a bad rap around the globe. Look at yourselves, babbling fools.
Most protesters do not know the definition of illegal and play the game called stupid is as stupid does. All of them voted for the Obamination. You go Sheriff Joe.
Just wanted to add, these illegal immigrants you are accusing of draining your infrastructures and social services etc... is exactly the kind of immature ignorance I expect from "REAL" americans. These immigrants eat in your restaurants, buy their groceries in your stores, buy their tools in your hardware stores, buy their cars from you, buy clothes in your stores, pay for your hydro, oil, gasoline contributing as much as anyone else. Just shows how the "REAL" american mentality is truly IMMATURE AND DEMENTED.
In a way, I hope they are successful at stopping illegals so "WE" can watch your country fall apart, because everyone knows that without the illegals, who will build your cities? who will water your lawns? Not the "REAL" americans because you are all too LAZY and SPOILED to do it yourselves.
disgust, there is not a problem in the whole US of A with immigrants working here, there is however a problem with "illegal" immigrants working here.speak english,prove to be an asset not a liability, be law abiding, get legal status........welcome. Slithering here in the darkness, bringing thier pregnant girlfriend with them to climb on the entitlement wagon of welfare, medicaid, food stamps, education all free of charge to them, is NOT an asset to this country they are a liability costing us billions and going up every year. They bring in drugs, rape,steal,murder,affecting innocent families lives forever, then have the arrogance to demand respect??? I wonder if any of you who advocate the illegals would feel the same if,a drunk illegal, no license, no insurance, no green card hit your car and killed your kids, got deported, was back in a month and did the same to another family.I still remember the illegal that shot that 17 yr old boy last year on Mothers Day, I wonder how she feels about illegals.
disgustedbyu sounds like one real bitter foreigner...
Maybe disgustedbyu's country would like to take these illegal aliens off of our hands...
Make no mistake about it, these illegals are a sufficient drain of the resources of the cities, counties, and states that are overwhelmed with them...
mr disgustedbyus have you lost yur lively hood to these border jumpers come on give up yor way of life and source of income se how you like it .We are not the ones who stated this were are second or thrid generation trades men who want these jobs these illegals are stealing. Again how many of this people keep there monies here .THESEguys have ten people living in atwo bedroom apt .never go ou to eat enlese its ther bros canteen truck no insurance paid no taxs paid oh they spend moneys on coronas that help are economics doesnt it.
Haters shouldnt bag on AZ for enforcing the national immigration law. Tip my hat to AZ for a job well done. All you other morons can stop wasting your time with AZ and write/call your own congressmen that have no balls to enact it becauses its an election year!!
Thank you Sherrif Arpaio! I'm glad to see Arizona standing up for the law-abbiding citizens of your state.
Brewer and Arpaio.... takes guts to uphold the federal laws that the feds don't even want to uphold. You have more supporters than protesters almost 2 to 1.I wish nevadas elected had the b*lls to stand on their own against the liberalism that dominates the White House. Obama just can't help himself trying to control state law, federal law isn't enough control.
To Lipton: Are you telling me that illegals are responsible for all crimes in your neighborhood? Are you also telling me that illegal immigrants are running around killing children?
Which children are they killing exactly?
Are they drug dealing or gangbanging "REAL" american children?
Everyone here "THE REAL AMERICANS" are obviously armchair bigots BLAMING illegals for their over-indulging, uncontrollable credit over-spending habits that are the "real" problem in the U.S.A. but as usual the "American" mentality will look for the easiest target (scapegoat) to blame for their lack of responsibility and their (I want it now mentality). Again showing how immature you "REAL" americans are. Let's blame everyone else because we love to spend money we don't have. You "real" americans have been over indulging for years and now that it finally caught up with you, you don't know what else to do other then target minorities because it's what you do. God Bless The "REAL" Americans! The immature, irresponsible, over-indulging bigots that they are.
How come when I say I am against this law, for its potential to violate OUR 4th amendment rights, I am categorized as someone who is for keeping things the way they are? Do we only see black and white? As someone whose industry is becoming infested with illegal immigrants, I think I should be heard. We cannot give the local authorities the power to stop and detain someone, even for a second..without probable cause....I do not care how just the cause may seem. We need to hold the proper branches responsible. We need INS to do their job. On the flip side as good natured as I would like to think our country is, we need to take into consideration the innocent victims of this all. Some of these people were lured here by companies that employed them, the cost of all this should be laid on those companies backs and the FBI should be investigating this like they did Gotti. Care should be taken to not stereotype all illegals as, terrorists or criminals, when they're only crime was wanting a way to survive. That being said, it is a crime to be here illegally, but so is speeding, and all of us caught speeding are not reckless demons taking lives left and right. This is a complicated situation that did not have to get out of control, the way I see it we have to options. A. offer a path to citizenship for those whose only crime was illegally entering the US, but impose a fine and lots of community service, part of which must be mandatory ESL classes. OR B. Send them all back indiscriminately, every last one of them, and charge every company that has ever hired them, knowingly or not, and fine them to cover the cost of the massive round up and deportation.
Sherriff Joe is just a Racist and what does that say about the people that vote for him? Past that in this time of economic woes for a whole heck of a lot of people is it not great we are spending Millions on lawsuits having to fight a racist law?? What does this say about those in power. We simply as a nation need to get rid of them all as none seem qualified to lead a group of 4 graders across a street....
Larry....It is the GOP that is taking away freedoms...once you start putting in these laws it is an easy hop, skip and jump to impose them on everyone...even you....This is a very slippery slope....Remember where Nazi Germany started out....look to the Laws that were put in place there long before the war...Laws like this may seem great because it gets "those people" or that "group" but all they do is make it a whole lot easier to pass further laws to restrict our freedoms down the road...
lipton: "...against the liberalism that dominates the White House. Obama just can't help himself trying to control state law, federal law isn't enough control."
I agree that Obama should not have voiced his opinion about State law, although I believe the context of what he said referred to the constitutionality of AZ's "show me your papers" law, not that it isn't a problem.
What I cannot agree with is your wish to label the immigration problems caused by "liberalism." George Bush and his "conservative" forces had eight years but could not get the job done either. Remember?
The problem is immigration is a "hot potato" and politicians don't want to touch it ... therefore they don't.
Well said Slainne.
I agree with you on all your points. This thread is simply targeting a "Group".
Although all are entitled to their freedom of speech, this thread is infuriating for the simple reason that most are blaming this "group" for the problems in the U.S. when in fact they themselves are the "real" problem, hence my comments above.
lectrocuda -- you are a voice for reason; everybody appreciates reason, sooner or later. Somehow we've fostered a Palinesque mentality which makes it very difficult to solve common problems while simultaneously engendering Joe to Policeman to rally the troops and get himself elected to higher office (Sheriff is obviously beneath him now.)
It just seems to me, as smart a nation as we are, it's hard to understand why we can't solve the immigration problems we've created without violating our own hard fought Constitution and values.
Slainne, well said and exactly ... there has got to be a better way.
But I think everyone is in complete agreement, we have to solve the illegal immigration problem, and soon.
Why can't we cut off the incentives by making the pain from employing undocumented workers greater than the rewards? For example, why can't we make those employers pick up the tab?
You can't solve the immigration problem because (as smart a nation as we are....lol), "The real smart ones" know that if they get rid of these immigrants there will be no one left to build their cities, maintain those cities and service their indulgent, lazy, whiny, unproductive "REAL" american citizens.
The disgusted one sounds like a Canadian...
I am sorry, I should have said,
"The disgusting one sound like a Canadian..."
We do need both "Legal" and "illegal" immigration reform and both parties have failed to get this job done.
However, we certainly do not need to forget what this Country was built on. Hard working, Law Abiding people with dreams.
One more time...
"The disgusting one sounds like a Canadian..."
Right on Slainne.
The idea that Americans don't want to do "the dirty work" and therefore have looked-the-other-way for 50 years is not true. This idea has been promoted by those business-industries who have benefited most from illegal immigration.
Yes disgustedbyu we are a smart nation. Not perfected, just smart. And we should be able to solve our problems in smart rather than stupid ways...
I agree with you by celeritas.
For those of you I have insulted by voicing my opinion, I was simply speaking of my own experience while I worked in Nevada (with a VISA) with "REAL" americans. 8 months was enough for me and begged my company to tranfer me to ANY other Country because I could no longer tolerate the immature, whiny, lazy american workers, I am a specialist in the mining sector. If you are insulted by my opinions simply look at yourselves from my point of view, although no one will ever admit it you know I am speaking the truth. I was also voicing my opinion about the current financial situation in your Country, and the fact that blaming ANY group or minority is the LAZY man's way of facing up to your own failures.
lectrocuda...You say you want me to get an education? You write like a 6 year old. Your meandering thoughts are boorish and your syntax is idiotic.
In the second place you would not want to meet me on the street. I'm not as nice as I sound in here.
disgustedbyu,
I was not insulted in any way by your voiced opinions. The only thing I would caution is relying very much on the "real" American label beyond the points you made... because anything "real" is like anything love, the harder you try to pin it down, the more elusive it becomes. (For what its worth)
This is a fictious, yet common crime story.
TOMORROW IS MONDAY. You Live in New York. You are aware of many people protesting Arizona's new law, but it DOES NOT AFFECT you - so you are not concerned about it.
But you think it's awful that such a law could be passed to help the Arizona police capture "innocent people," WHEN THESE ALIENS ONLY WANTED to experience American freedom. You feel they have a "right" to be here.
THEN, you read the New York Times. It has two front-page two stories. One story says, 3 PEOPLE WERE MURDERED during a store robbery last night by 6 members of the infamous Mexican M-13 GANG. Three bystanders were SHOT with automatic weapons: a mother, father, and their 12 year-old daughter. NOW THEY ARE DEAD.
THE NEXT STORY says, 14 illegal aliens were captured in Long Island, NY, while unloading a truck-load of cocaine into a warehouse. The police say they were tipped off by a LEGAL Mexican informant.
The story says that TWO of the illegal aliens - among 14 who put up a gun fight with automatic weaopons - are DEAD. And a POLICE OFFICER was killed in the gun-battle; another OFFICER was critically wounded. An expolsive fire set off in the warehouse to destroy the cocaine - killed 3 (legal) employees who were not members of the illegal-alien gang.
The Officer who died had a wife and 3 children. The critical Officer has a wife a one child. In all, 8 people are dead, the lives of at least five families are affected, and 12 illegal alien gang-members have been captured.
The story reports these gang members were part of an INTER-STATE drug distribution ring. This same group that has been selling cocaine to ADULTS, and high-school CHILDREN - in NY, NJ, Chicago, Nevada, and Arizona.
When people in New York read these news stories, a deluge of phone calls come into the Mayor's office, various police departments, and the Governor's office. These people experessed OUTRAGE that such crime and tragedy could happen "in their town" - and involve sales of cocaine in their community - especially being sold to children.
THEY ASK:
- "Where were the police all this time"?
- "Why didn't they stop these illegal alien killers, and drug lords, BEFORE they crossed the Arizona border."
-"What are they doing in New York, anyway"? - We don't have such problems!"
And ONLY THEN do they demand the police investigate why this was ALLOWED to happen; why the police did NOTHING to PRECLUDE it. And they want it STOPPED NOW.
Well readers, this kind of story occurs frequently across America; different circumstancs, but similar results.
So what do we do about it? We must support our police and give them the tools (laws) they need to to do their job - to protect our lives, our families, our homes, and secure our borders.
That is exactly what Arizona's new law does. And by extension - aids in stopping the flow of criminals from Arizona to American cities across the United States.
Better watch out readers, "Sharp" is an internet tough guy!
"you would not want to meet me on the street..."
Sure thing, "Sharp." How will we recognize you though if you're wearing the white hood and all?
It's amazing to me that even with control of both houses of congress AND the Whitehouse, for years, the Republicans utterly failed to secure our southern border.
The Republicans had a mandate and unlimited borrowing yet they STILL failed to secure our border.
Now it's the democrats problem to clean up, like everything else.
Why can't they protest for better conditions in Mexico? I have been to Mexico and it is a VERY beautiful country. A lot of the immigrants miss their homeland. They come here because their government can't help them, so what does that say about Mexican government? Don't they have free health care there? It's just to darn easy to come over here and take advantage of Americans, in fact it is encouraged. Can't we all just get along LOL...
These illegals you are speaking of is a totally different subject. They are criminals period. As long as there is big demand for drugs in the U.S. they will always be around and will always find ways of getting in unless the U.S. plans on patrolling every inch of it's borders, even if they could that would create more violence and death because they will come in to conduct their business and kill border patrols if it ever came to that, it's a billion dollar industry. I also guarantee that some of those border patrols would be corrupt allowing these illegal drugs inside the country.
Are we not missing the point? I mean no one is in favor of crime? No one is in favor of letting criminals roam the streets without any consequences or unchecked?
However, that is a far different animal than what we are speaking to when it comes to immigration reform?
I do agree with Batman in that I think part of this package must be the American and hopefully Canadian Governments get hard on the Mexican Governments to get do their part or else no more economic support. Because ultimately if we are to grow and continue to be a major force in the world we will need a North American pact that opens borders at least in the beggining with the Canadians. The EU and the Asian Pacts will eventually grow and be stronger than we can imagine.
Hey Mia...
Before eight years of Bush not doing anything about illegal immigration, we had eight years of Clinton not doing anything about illegal immigration...
There is plenty of blame for everybody, but it is now the time for some action...
Oh Mia, by the way, Clinton should have done a better job of "clean up" on Monica's dress...
your post is excellent. Celeb, the illegal situation has festered, our country is in dire straits, partially due to supporting the illegals through welfare, medicaid and education and our unemployment is the worst in many years. Obama has the opportunity to seal our borders, prohibiting further illegal infiltration, demand that the illegals prove to be an asset to our country not a liability, we cannot continue to support the illegals coming here. He promised the illegals immigration reform so he got their vote, now they demand he follow through with his promise. His first order of business was to condemn Arizona for implimenting and enforcing the federal laws on illegals already on the books. He wants the votes, so he will give them everything they want at OUR expense. Regardless of what Bush did or didn't do, Obama is at the helm right now, what he does today will determine our countries economic future. I do not trust he will do what is in the best interest of the people of the United States. He will do what is in the best interest of Obamas future in politics to further this nation into a socialistic country kneeling at govts feet for handouts.
Anyone heard from "arpaiowilldie" (Arpaio Will Die) lately???
I think I'm going to go play Bingo with my Mexican Grandmother, my Afro-American aunt, My Asian Uncle and my Jewish mother in-law. At least they have something interesting to talk about besides all this political woulda, shoulda, coulda....blah blah blah.
Obummer really made me mad when he came out against this AZ law (I live in AZ part time). Now I am ashamed to admit I voted for him once, but not again. Fool me once shame on me, I have already decided he is a one term President. He is racist against whites.
okra..You will know me when you see me. I'm the guy that will put you in constraints to keep you from biting yourself.
@Socratic-whatever
"Well readers, this kind of story occurs frequently across America; different circumstancs, but similar results."
If we project your reasoning to other aspects of our lives, we should also ban handguns. We don't even have to imagine a bunch of horror stories about the tragedies of gun violence, do we? But if it's murders of innocents that justify trampling the constitution, please explain why we shouldn't ban handguns also.
BTW: I like guns. I don't like crime. I'm not "for" illegal immigration. It's a huge, huge problem that needs to be addressed. But I detest the halfwits who would trash the constitution in a heartbeat and let knuckle dragging racists like Arpaio arbitrarily decide what our liberties should be.
okra would rather you do it her way.
Right, Sharp. It takes guts to be an internet tough guy like you.
THIS IS THE 2008 PICTURE OF ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THE US as reported by the Center for Immigration Studies, and the PEW Hispanic Center Report of 2005.
State of residence, and estimated population, of Illegal Immigration to the United_States:
All states 11,555,000
California 2,930,000
Texas 1,640,000
Florida 980,000
Illinois 550,000
New York 540,000
Arizona 500,000
Georgia 490,000
New Jersey 430,000
North Carolina 370,000
Washington 280,000
Other states 2,950,000
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_imm...
Who can tell which ones are the illegal ones? Who can say, in advance, who the gang members and murderers are? Well, no one can.
But they are ALL illegal, and are ALL criminals for entering the country illegally.
That is the point of Arizona's attempt to control border passage, and secure (Arizona's) part of the 2,000 mile border.
Then, once the ease of entry has been cut off, we can talk about what to do about the ones INSIDE our borders. But first, we need to enforce the law. And anyone, wanting to live here, or living here as a citizen, MUST obey the law - until it might be changed.
With all the pros and cons in the posts herein, I would think that we could all agree on the larger issue of - securing the border and stopping illegal aliens from entering the United States.
I thought my prior post - a fictitious story of NY gang crime - might garner some agreement; but maybe not.
I mean, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO GET AGREEMENT?
Light a fire under our a*s? - lIke some foreign national sneaking across the border and deposit a WMD bomb in - say, Las Vegas, or Phoenix, or Dallas, or Los Angeles ....????
All it takes to be someone like you is stupidity and a big mouth.
What state do you live in orka?
Well.....my mexican grandmother, my afro-american aunt, my asian uncle and my jewish mother-in law all kicked my assumptions at Bingo.
LarryVegas-AKA-henderson writes: "Before eight years of Bush not doing anything about illegal immigration,..."
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Let me stop you right there for a second so you can think about this:
The Republicans had unlimited borrowing, 9/11 and full control of government yet they utterly failed to secure our borders.
Now they want a second chance to try again?
This is a serious problem and they've just spent the beginning of this century proving they're just not capable of running our government. They don't even BELIEVE in government, so naturally they kind of suck at it.
Now it's up to the democrats to clean this mess up too. Hopefully they're not totally incompetent.
okra is one of those that says get the bad guy, but don't you dare inconvenience me while doing it. I could see okra as one of those people who would walk over a dying man in the street complaining the police didn't get there quick enough, then gripe because he had to take 2 extra steps to walk around the dying man.
orka...How is your acne?
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Did you know the human heart creates enough pressure to squirt blood 30 feet.
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I hope you are enjoying these, at least you are getting useful information unlike the rest of the posts on this thread about a bigot sheriff with nothing better to do with your tax money.
did you know most illegals don't even want to become US citizens? If they did, they would then have to pay into the society which they rape.If you can come here and get it all for nothing why would you fight to change that? They just want more respect.
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They should investigate everyone that argues for the illegal immigrants. I just wonder how much skin they have in that game. Why would they risk alienation from a nation. If they really DO think we are bigots and profilers why do they stay here? Why don't they go to Mexico and pull their dog and pony show?
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Why don't you all post useful information like I do instead of the pointless and seriously faulty information you are posting just for the sake of posting.
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disgustedbyu....it's past 9 o'clock,go take your medication
The 57 on the Heinz bottle indicates the total Products that Heinz sold. Not pickles. Plus they never even had 57 products the Old man Heinz just liked the sound of the nummer 57.
Look it up.
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Did you know that when I walk on my hands and knees in the snow that I leave 5 tracks?
lol....that's a good one Rough
FedUpWithThis wrote: "... Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps And welfare. ..."
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Jose Illegal Immigrant cannot apply for food stamps or welfare.
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Leave the donkeys alone, or Harry will get mad...
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renomus,
The Americas were not filled with a homogenous culture or ethnicity. There was no dominant native culture. Instead, there was a multitude of customs, languages, beliefs, etc. before contact with Europeans.
Before the Spanish, then Mexican and now American government owned what is called Arizona today, Native Americans lived there. They did not speak Spanish, they were not under the rule of the Aztecs. In fact, Geronimo, and the Apaches, were more famous for killing Mexicans than Americans. Apaches are a native Arizonans, Mexicans are not.
Also, to the other guy aripowhatever
The majority of the natives were killed by disease, not warfare. This was due to factors outside the control of mankind today. Diseases don't see borders and populations without immunity are at a greater risk of developing a disease, like smallpox. If Natives would have found Europe, the Native Americans would still have been ravaged by the diseases from Eurasia and Africa.
That isn't to say that genocide wasn't practiced against Native Americans. It was. However, it should never be forgotten that the greatest atrocities were done by guys speaking spanish, not english.
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Okra is a barber and lives in New Jersey. So be sure not to get a haircut if you go to Jersey.
I wonder if Okra will take a chicken in exchange for a haircut???
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Did you know that Cinco De Mayo is as much an american holiday as Mexican? Americans fought along side the Mexicans to free them from French rule May 5th 1862.Maybe those little mexican high schoolers should learn their history before protesting that May 5th is "their" day to celebrate their national freedom.
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we had thunder and lightening storms today, and I think it may have been Bushes fault.
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Mia_Kulper you said:
Jose Illegal Immigrant cannot apply for food stamps or welfare.
Oh no? Then tell me how in the world are illegal Mexicans living in housing supplied by the government, receiving welfare & food stamps and free health care? This was told to me by a friend of a friend who has a friend who is an illegal Mexican immigrant.
If you can't believe a friend of a friend who has a friend, then who can you believe?
The numbers show that more than $50 million in benefits and food stamps for January went to children born in the United States whose parents are in the country without documentation. This represents approximately 23 percent of the total benefits under the state welfare and food stamp programs.
Jose illegal applied for welfare for his american born kids.
Lets see if Obama changes that age old law. I think its Bushes fault it hasn't been changed.
up until December of 2009, illegals were apllying for and recieving welfare, medicaid and food stamps, costing one state, in excess of 37 million in one year, which did not include education and low cost subsidized housing. So, Mia, yes, until recently, jose illegal was able to apply for welfare, medicaid and food stamps. They now have to supply documents that show legal residency, and they can so long as they have 1 child born on our soil.
Right, as I said, illegal immigrants cannot apply for food stamps or welfare, contrary to what several people have said here.
up until 4 months ago. That is hardly an arguement to say illegals are not sucking off the american system.and yes illegals can apply for welfare so long as they have a dependent who was born on american soil.
so what Mia is basically saying, illegals who have been recieving welfare since 1960 something doesn't count anymore for our economic distress, because 4 months ago, they had to start supplying documentation, excluding those with american born children.I wonder how much the welfare numbers dropped in the last 4 months.
What the...
Listen, I'm just saying that when people tell you that illegal immigrants can just go and get welfare and food stamps, it's just not true.
Only Americans are eligible to receive welfare or food stamps.
At least know what you're ranting about.
Mia_Kulper,
There was a time I thought I was almost practically positive I knew what I was ranting about. But after reading all of disgustedbyu's posts my whole world has been turned upside down!
I bet there is no fraud in the welfare state. Nobody ever supplies false documents to enable them to draw public assistance...
Kinda like nobody shows false documents to enter the United States illegally, or get a job, or get a drivers license, or register to became a Democrat...
I bet you think you "don't got to show no stinkin bauges." Maybe today, gringo, but tomorrow...
Okay how about this Mia_Kulper in my ex apartment complex many Mexican families are on the welfare system and I know for a fact that these are illegals. How do you explain them? And I know these people personally before I moved away from them. What excuse are you going to make now?
And also Mia_Kulper how do you explain these same illegal Mexican's making tons of anchor babies and collecting $1,000 per child credit every tax year? Isn't it amazing how they wind up with more money than the legal citizens and US citizens of the United States?
Good question Mia_kuper
I really don't know who you can trust if you can't trust a friend of a friend who has a friend.
Maybe the bigot sheriff of Arizona?
nah, you can't trust law enforcement, especially when they wear white hooded sheets.
You got me...that's a tough one.
I don't know why everyone is so riled up about this illegal immigrant stuff when there are much more important laws to uphold like this one.
Did you know In Cleveland, Ohio it is illegal to catch mice without a hunting license.
Now how about all these poachers catching all these mice illegally, what are we doing about these poachers? Where do I start a new thread, anyone know?
Make no mistake about it, "disgusting" does not like mice or teabaggers or.....................................................................................................................and.............................................................
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Why???
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The Democrats Control the Senate, House and Executive.
No official inquiry has been proposed to find out why the Immigration Law is not being enforced.
They have made no moves to control the border.
They have encouraged division of the whole country on the issue.
When will Barak "Carpetbagger" Obama stop adding to the race issue with reckless comments and actually start acting like a leader with some kind of plan.
Criticizing someone elses plan does not count.
If Dem's have a plan let's hear it. And it better not have the words "pathway to citizenship" in it unless the word "no" is just before them.
Right now the Dems are just saying "No". (to Arizona)
How is that different from the Repubs?
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HERE IS THE DEMOCRATS ANSWER TO SOLVING IMMIGTRATION! -- (Source "thehill.com" - By Alexander Bolton - 04/30/10 06:00 AM ET )
HEADLINE: "Dems spark alarm with call for national ID card" - [called the "BELIEVE System"]
"A plan by Senate Democratic leaders to reform the nation's immigration laws ran into strong opposition from civil liberties defenders before lawmakers even unveiled it Thursday."
"Democratic leaders have proposed requiring every worker in the nation to carry a national identification card with biometric information, such as a fingerprint, within the next six years, according to a draft of the measure.
Let me see your papers. How's that for CHANGE you can BELIEVE in?
Vigilence is the price of Freedom. Write to your Senator.
What is the argument here? every single alien "BROKE THE LAW!" Our Government, past & present, Republican & Democrat, have allowed the invasion of 20 to 30 million criminals and is the largest invasion of any Nation, at any time, by any means & in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution.
This refusal to abide by our Constitution should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!
Not only have they allowed the invasion, they force American tax payers to pay Billions of dollars to provide Welfare, Prison, Educate the invaders children,free medical care, at the same time the invading horde break numerous laws, massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture and standard of living while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WAKE UP PEOPLE! They walked,rode,swam and drove over here, they can do the same going home! taking thier anchor babies with them!
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great points. Illegals have been ilegally crossing our borders for years, why would we believe they are not using false documents to recieve benifits? They are. arpaio(poster on this thread) is a racist. Probably the reason these people are asking for money is, illegals seem to monopolize the entitlement programs, no more money for real citizens.
secure the borders, change the law(just because you have a kid here, doesn't mean they're an automatic US citizen), speak english,prove to be an asset not a liability(no welfare,subsidized housing,free education,free meals)take the test that shows you know the history of this country, and get citizenship....legally.
Most don't want it, because they would have to start contributing, they just want respect.
Wow, I left and came back and look at all the comments removed. I am happy to see arpaios comments not only gone but so is his avatar. Good job LVSun.I did like disgustings little trivia blurbs, and I'm sure the readers had fun reading them before removing all of them.
pyrostevo says: "This refusal to abide by our Constitution should be classified as Treason of the most foul kind, as grounds for impeachment & trials for Treason!"
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Do they have to abide by ALL of our Constitution, or just the parts that have your panties in a wad on any given day?
It's good that you've discovered our Constitution but before you start your treason trials, perhaps you'd better grant blanket amnesty to all all prior Republican administrations, just to keep it fair.
great idea. amnesty for all former repub admins, and set every democrat on trial, including Obama. I wonder if he has personal reasons for wanting to give all illegals citizenship, other than he wants their votes.I am curious to see how this will all become Bushes fault. Did we have presidents before Bush? There is a block there, a big wall if you will.everything has been erased prior Bush.I have prior Bush memories,but life according to Garp,er Obama, didn't exist before Bush, what a messs.Is it noon somewhere?
I don't think any moderator was working this weekend...
Today's moderator had his hands full cleaning up all of the junk that was posted.
We all better be good boys today...
lirton writes: "Jose illegal applied for welfare for his american born kids. Lets see if Obama changes that age old law. I think its Bushes fault it hasn't been changed."
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I can just picture President Bush trying to staple a post-it signing statement onto our Constitution saying "This here 14th Amendment thingy is Un-Constitutionable and I won't foller it no more" in crayon, but how is President Obama supposed to "change" our Constitution all by himself?
Why don't you get all your little Teabagger pals together and amend our Constitution if you hate it so much?
You'll find the directions inside.
and thats why he was president and you were not.He's already changed enough, last thing we need is for him to get his hands on our constitution and change it, we have in this short period, already left america and entered Obamanation.
you are a little mixed up anyway. Pelosi,Reid and Obama want to change our constitution, they say its outdated, the repubs want him to uphold it. No wonder we're a mess, dems can't keep their ideals straight. I think Bush caused that, or least he'll be blamed for it anyway.The dems motto should be, if we want to change it, blame Bush first, if its wrong blame Bush,if it fails, blame Bush. I could have sworn, Obama has been prez for over a year.hhhmm
Didn't we just discuss that?
The president CAN'T change our Constitution. If you hate our Constitution so much the way it is, there is a process to amend it.
But I know you'll never manage that because first you'll have to read the Constitution to learn how to amend it.
The 14th Amendment is safe from the Teabagger horde.
hhhhmmmm thought I just got through saying, its the dems who want to change it, the repubs want it upheld. I guess it doesn't resinate.
simple once again:
dems....outdated want to "change" it
repubs.....leave it alone..uphold it.
and if you don't think, if Obama wanted to change it, he would figure a way around it, I have a healthcare bill to sell you!!oh wait, you bought it.I think if Obama says something like, Bush should have amended the constitution, but he didn't now we have to, dems will fall all over it.
lipton gibbers: "Obama says something like, Bush should have amended the constitution, but he didn't now we have to, dems will fall all over it."
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I'm going to type this again real slow so you can read it, lipton.
A president CAN'T change our Constitution. If you hate the 14th Amendment to our Constitution so much, there is a process to amend it.
Read the Constitution to learn how.
By Mia_Kulper - (naivety in action)
"...but how is President Obama supposed to "change" our Constitution all by himself?"
You are correct. The president cannot change the Constitution all by himself. Instead, he can change the implementation, and selected aspects, of legislation ALREADY PASSED in law, or get some new legislation passed by his democratic Congress.
In addition, Obama (or any president) can write "Executive Orders" to require a change in the manner of IMPLEMENTATION of a law - as applies to each of 2,600 Agencies, and hundreds of Commissions, that are under Obama's administrative control in the Executive Branch - the White House.
SO, the president does not NEED TO CHANGE the Consititution, as long as the laws he gets Congress to pass are seen as Constitutional. And at the rate legislation is being passed, who knows when such challenges of legality will found or raised.
If you recall, TARP - the Stimulus Bill - gave away $787 Billion dollars. INSIDE this legislation were also the establishment of over 30 NEW government agencies and Entitlement programs. Not all these are funded now, but can be in the future. This is quite a legal "cover-up" - which the national liberal news media said almost nothing about. Therefore, the people don't know much about them.
Then came Health Care, and all its entitlements. Again loaded with extra "pork-like" Programs and Entitlements that have nothing to do, directly, with providing health care or insurance to the "30 million" alleged receipents.
But once an issue is passed into law, it is a done deal, and can be implemented, generally, as the president sees fit. SO the basis for all his social programs are entrenched in these two pieces of legislation - no law.
So, unless you protest - write the president or the Congress - there will be no end to what any president can do - as long as he can first get past Congress.
This total control of government by one party is the reason I have always advocated that Democrats should be in the majority in ONE house of Congress, and and the Republicans be the majority in the OTHER ONE. The President could then be of either party - but no would have no power to implement a TOTALITARIAN government would exist.
We now have $110 TRILLION in UNFUNDED LIABILITIES for medicare, medicade, social security, health care, etc., etc. We are going broke.
And it did not take a Constitutional Amendment to do this, either.
And now you know the rest of the story.. Good Day.
thank you socratic.
Thank you for that manifesto Socratic-Inkwell, however it's a very simple matter of lipton's hatred for our Constitution, specifically the 14th Amendment.
He don't like it.
lipton says it's an "age old law" that needs to be changed but he doesn't know how to do it and he's too lazy to read our Constitution for instructions.
Hope this helps.
Hey Mia...
Speaking about usurping the Constitution. How about, whats his name Holder, wanting to make a few fixes to "Miranda" without changing it lawfully???
Really? Please explicate.
Not my job to know how to do it, thats why we pay the elected ones to take care of that.You post as though once I get instuctions I can magically make it go away.so remind me again why I am lazy.you're one of those that minces words, like saying, its not blue its aqua, or its not green its moss.
the "amendemnet" to the Constitution clearly applies to slavery and has been misinterpereted over the years to accomodate illegal entry into america.Why would we like it? Its an amendment thats been abused.
oh, please refer me to the part where I said I hated the Constitution. I do believe you have resorted to lying.
My hats off to Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the state of Arizona. At least they have the balls to defend their state and enforce the immigration laws that the federal government is too chicken to enforce. "We might offend someone!"
The illegal people in the United States have NO RIGHTS, the laws defend the legal citizens of the United States.
The illegals that sneak across the border to have a baby then try to claim rights in our Country....NO the baby has rights not the parent. Send them all back including the baby. The baby get dual-citizenship and can decide when it turns 18, until then the only one who qualifies for any state/government assistance is the baby, not the 20 other people living in the house mooching off the baby that was born in the USA.
OH I COULD GO ON FOREVER.....I work for the state welfare office and I have stories to tell. Send them back to the country they snuck out of and make then apply for a visa, if they cannot enter this country legally keep sending them back....3 strikes...the 3rd time it's the firing squad, that would end the problem !!!!!
By Mia_Kulper -
What Manifesto?
I have studied such issues for many years while living in the Washington, DC, area. As a result I, along with everyone else WHO CARED TO LISTEN, was subjected to, and learned about, Constitutional issues and discussions concerning White House, government, and Congressional activites - day and night - via TV, Radio, Nespapers, and personal conversations.
THAT is (partially) how I know what I said in my prior post. So you can "bet on it." It is no secret.
As for your tiff with "lipton" about the 14th Amendment (XIV), and what it says - the wording is talking about CITIZENS of the United States - not illegal aliens or any foreign national.
THUS: If people are born here, or naturalized in the United States, they are "...citizens of the United States...."
Although the Constitution was written and mandated for CITIZENS of the United SAtates, the CONGRESS has been busy in past yeasrs revising ELIGIBILITY and SCOPE of BENEFITS as to who is qualified for welfare, food stamps, etc. - and now, with the new Health Care Bill Obama just signed, ALL CHILDREN in the United States are eligible - regardless of birthplace.
AS FOR YOUR CLAIM THAT ONLY AMERICANS CAN RECEIVE FOOD STAMPS - please read the following, and then do some research on the subject instead of throwing out comments based on apparent, unsubstantiated claims vs. facts.
FOR EXAMPLE: LOS ANGELES COUNTY'S COST FOR PROVIDING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WELFARE, ETC.:
"Nearly one-quarter of state WELFARE payments and FOOD stamps issued in LOS ANGELES County go to children whose parents are in the U.S. illegally, according to January figures released today [May 15, 2010]."
"Supervisor Mike Antonovich said: "the total COST for ILLEGAL IMMIGRAMTS to County taxpayers far exceeds $1 BILLION A YEAR -- NOT including the millions of dollars for EDUCATION." [Caps emphasis are mine.]
Source (there are many more):
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/25/168/25_...
So, maybe you should change your user name to "Mea Culpa."
Good bye.
mlind, exactly. Getting rid of that amendment, would be a great start to stopping anchor babies, and illegals flocking to america for their entitlements.why do you think they have 6 or 7 anchor kids.They make tons of money off of us, and how many of these thousands of illegals really want legal citizenship? what will they gain?
Wouldn't it be cheaper to provide for our anchor baby citizens in Mexico?
It would be cheaper for the parents of those anchor babies to provide for those anchor babies, and not depend on the US govt/taxpayers to do it for them.We are 1 of 3 countries in the world that allow for a baby born on our soil to automatically be a US citizen and able to immediately recieve all benifits associated with being a US citizen.
The-Socratic-Inkwell spake: " ... If you recall, TARP - the Stimulus Bill - gave away $787 Billion dollars. ..."
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No, I think you're a little confused there, Socratic-Inkwell.
You're conflating President Bush's TARP Bailout (Toxic Asset Relief Program) with The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 ("the Stimulus Bill") recently passed under President Obama.
Please update your next long-winded manifesto to include those additional TARP costs as well.
Good Day To You.
lipton sed: "Not my job to know how to do it, thats why we pay the elected ones to take care of that. ... so remind me again why I am lazy."
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Because you're apparently too lazy to even read the Constitution to learn how to repeal the 14th Amendment that you hate so much. You think it's somebody else's job!
Are Teabaggers generally ignorant because they're lazy or just ignorant AND lazy by coincidence?
blue is aqua and green is moss.and if you bother to look Bushes bailout as you call it was, in fact the democrat majorities stimulus in november of 2008. the the elequence of your toxic asset relief program, should be reassessed. But then again, its all Bushes fault. I would if I were you, continue on with the "you are too lazy thing", it seems to be working for you!!!!!its funny you should call republicans lazy all the while its the democrats that want govt to take care of you so you don't have to work for what you get. It is ironic,and continues to be verified that democrats accuse republicans of exactly what they are guilty of!!!and ooooohhhh, the names!!! that as well, is a trait of democrats that can't seem to get it right. Come on Mia, whats next!!!!!!!we have lazy, ignorant, Bushes fault,and once again, knowing how to amend an amendment should be the job of those we elect, not mine. I don't really need to know the particulars. I wonder, do you know how to change the oil on your car? Or change a tire? Or maybe how to do a tune up.Or do you pay to have someone else do that work for you? Whats the matter? are you too lazy to know how to do it? Does this sound like a stupid request to you? touche.
THE EASY WAY T GET A LOT OF THEM OUT, IS TAKE YOUR TRUCK TO YOUR LOCAL HOME DEPOT, LOAD IT WITH THE ILLEGALS. AND DRIVE THEM TO THE INS.
The-Socratic-Inkwell wrote: "AS FOR YOUR CLAIM THAT ONLY AMERICANS CAN RECEIVE FOOD STAMPS - please read the following..."
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As part of the Welfare Reform Act signed into law in 1996, illegal immigrants are not eligible to apply for or receive welfare or food stamps. That's what the federal law is.
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The-Socratic-Inkwell quotes Supervisor Mike Antonovich [R]: "Nearly one-quarter of state WELFARE payments and FOOD stamps issued in LOS ANGELES County go to [AMERICAN] children whose parents are in the U.S. illegally, according..."
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The-Socratic-Inkwell forgets to quote Shirley Christensen of the Department of Public Social Services: "Our mission is to aid people who qualify and are eligible to receive benefits. We're carrying out the laws, federal laws." Christensen emphasized that those receiving benefits were eligible for aid as U.S. citizens.
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So, maybe it is YOU who should change YOUR user name to "The-Sophistic-stInkwell," eh?
oh my!!there really is someone out there that truly believes only "legal" american citizens are recieving welfare/medicaid, subsidized housing, free meals, free education because illegal law breaking border jumpers can't get it.and then there is some more name calling attached. wow!! I am truly amazed.
oh yea, let me help you with this...
Democrats controlling Congress ratcheted up expectations Tuesday for additional legislation to jump-start the dragging economy.
"We will be proceeding with another stimulus package," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said after meeting with several economists.
Pelosi said that recently issued tax rebate payments of $600 to individuals and $1,200 for married couples have helped the economy but that more is necessary to offset the drag of higher gasoline prices and other costs.
But President Bush cautioned in a White House press conference that lawmakers should "wait for the stimulus package to fully kick in" before passing another.
The Democratic effort is still in its formative stages, but most of the proposals mentioned by Democrats were rejected by Bush during negotiations that produced the earlier stimulus measure. A new package probably won't be acted on before Congress returns in September from its annual summer vacation.
New legislation could include: additional tax rebates, heating and air conditioning subsidies for the poor, infrastructure projects, higher food stamp payments and aid to the states.
Pelosi told reporters that she "would hope that (tax rebates) would be part of any package" but that some of the Democratic elements need to be attached. Pelosi said later Tuesday that she hopes proposals such as boosting food stamps and home energy subsidies would have more GOP support now, considering the sharp spikes in gasoline and food prices.
For his part, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., sounded less than enthusiastic about another round of tax rebates.
"The first thing we need to look at before we look at tax rebates is, what can we do to stimulate the economy?" Reid said. "And that's infrastructure development. That's bridges, highways, dams, and to put massive amounts of money into an infrastructure for renewable energy."
The discussion over a new economic stimulus bill comes as Congress is working to complete a broad housing rescue package to give new mortgages to hundreds of thousands of homeowners facing foreclosure.
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And a voter revolt over record gas prices has generated heated debate about further opening up the Outer Continental Shelf to oil exploration.
"To my Democratic colleagues who want this Congress take up a massive, taxpayer-funded 'stimulus' package, I offer them this piece of simple advice: the best way to stimulate our economy would be to take meaningful steps to reduce the price at the pump," said House GOP Whip Roy Blunt of Missouri.
Bush called for Congress to focus first on housing and energy legislation before turning to a new economic stimulus bill.
"Let's see how this stimulus package works and let us deal with the housing market with a good piece of housing legislation, and the energy issue with good energy legislation, and the trade issue with good trade legislation," Bush said.
lipton sez: "oh my!!there really is someone out there that truly believes only "legal" american citizens are recieving welfare/medicaid, subsidized housing, free meals, free...."
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Slow down there skippy.
The claim was that "Jose Illegal [immigrant] has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps And welfare."
Jose Illegal [immigrant] is not eligible for food stamps or welfare.
Got it?
Read The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (Welfare Reform) if you have any more silly questions, mKay?
lipton, why are you cut&posting entire articles from MSN and not giving them any credit?
yep, just can't fix stupid.
hey halfwit, they may not be able to sign up for it, BUT they're getting it, whether its through their anchor brood, or false papers or what other law besides illegally being in america they decide to break are getting govt aide,AND they benifit from their anchor kids "entitlements". Get it? ooops, I stooped to the democratic level of name calling.good god, are you really this stupid? I have had enough. good day. oh wait, its not quite day anymore, its more toward evening, good mid afternoon, early evening.
I guess cbs is kind of like cnn!!!!It has a c.
By Mia_Kulper -
You are partially correct. My reference to "the Stimulus Bill" ($787 Billion) should have correctly read: TARP - "the Bailout Bill", and included that $700 Billion too.
BUT YOU MISSED THE POINT (or ignored it) of my 11:42 a.m comments that you refer to.
THAT IS:
The president and the Congress do NOT NEED TO AMEND the Constitution to do what they want to do. They can simply pass legislation to achieve their agenda.
AS FOR YOUR COMMENT about illegal aliens getting "Public Social Services" ACCORDING TO LAW. Why else would the County be providing welfare and food, etc, if not by law?
THE POINT WAS THE COST OF ILLEGAL ALIENS TO THE US. The example was in LA County where such costs (and a lot more) is over 1 Billion dollars a year. Where do they get that money from? It is a massive problem.
Further, there are 3,100 counties in the US that have to pay welfare costs - for ILLEGAL Aliens too. And they don't pay money to a child (who may or may not have been born in the US). And that does not include the cost of education, etc.
This article describes LA's problem well:
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/...
SO, do you have any positive solutions to offer?
My thought would be to elect people who would say (and promise) to work on reducing the cost of government, reduce taxes, curtail spending, and eliminate government programs that cost too much or don't work well - JUST LIKE OBAMA SAID he was going to do BEFORE he go elected.
AND, I might add - will secure the border between us and Mexico. THEN, work on immigration policies.
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Mia_Kulper I would ask the state welfare worker who posted earlier what they know about the illegals who sponge off the government. Seems as if they have first hand knowledge.
The-Socratic-Inkwell thinks: "My thought would be to elect people who would say (and promise) to work on reducing the cost of government, reduce taxes, curtail spending, and eliminate government programs that cost too much or don't work well - JUST LIKE OBAMA SAID he was going to do BEFORE he go elected."
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Oh, so you voted for President Obama?
Good for you! You backed a winner. For a moment there you were sounding like one of those disgruntled Teatard losers.
Congratulations to you.
sorry, msn not cnn.
FedUpWithThis suggests: "I would ask the state welfare worker who posted earlier what they know about the illegals who sponge off the government. Seems as if they have first hand knowledge."
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But how can we even know that's really a "state welfare worker" when they can say they're anybody? It could even be that friend of a friend of your Mexican friend who has been listening to Glen Beck all day and smoking crystal meth.
Mia_Kulper I will make it much easier for you. How about if you go to Star Nursery or the Home Depot and ask the illegals there how they afford housing, health care, and food. I pass there every single day and most of them don't even do anything but stand around waiting for someone to hire them. And that's if they even get hired. Let's say an entire week goes by without one person hiring them. How do they survive? Where do they live? How do they pay their bills? How do they eat?
Fedup, its useless.
The LAST thing we want in this country is a bunch of people looking to work for a living!
Fedup, see what I mean. wasn't your key word here illegal?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/m...
lipton sure was, but apparently Mia_Kulper supports the illegals or is illegal themselves or has relatives who are illegal, so yes its useless trying to get it thru their thick skull what we are saying.
The law is the law...
ugh im so pissed off with all these racist comments all of u have to say about mexicans!! this land was the native american land 1st then u whites came and took over and az belonged to mexico so its just natural that they want their land back!! this country was formed with immigrants!! and its true their not only mexicans there are guatemalans, salvadorans, ecuatorians all sorts of cultures!! theres asians, arabs, a whole other bunch!! so stop hating mothereffers
The sonorense89 appears to have been hitting the Tequila extra heavy this evening.
Hang in there my friend and someone will be along soon to help you home.
I might add you are truly gifted at words...
Seems as if we whities better get ready for another American/Mexican war. We better get our troops out of the middle east and fast! I'm shaking my patooties off. NOT!
FedUpWithThis sed: "... apparently Mia_Kulper supports the illegals or is illegal themselves or has relatives who are illegal, so yes its useless trying to get it thru their thick skull what we are saying."
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Wha..? What you are saying is ignorant. I was merely trying to straighten you out so you don't come off like some foam-at-the-mouth halfwit who doesn't know what the heck he's talking about, is all.
You claimed illegal immigrants working in our country who don't have any documented income to show can apply for food stamps and welfare. They can't.
By federal law, illegal immigrants cannot receive food stamps or welfare since the passage of the 1996 Welfare Reform Act.
You might want to argue your point in a different way that doesn't make you look ignorant or dishonest.
Wow Mia_Kulper, whose being the dishonest one here? You never answered my question how these illegals are surviving? I know, the relatives in their country are sending $$$ over for them to live. What a joke. You know just as well as I do how they are surviving here being illegals. Now whose ignorant?
You?
(Was that a trick question?)
Seriously? You make me laugh Mia_Kulper. Thanks for making my morning such a pleasurable one.
Have you ever heard of illegals using FAKE Social Security numbers? But that's not a crime, just like them being in this country illegally is not a crime.
And if these illegals are not collecting welfare, then how in the world did the woman who is pregnant with anchor baby pay for their hospitalization to have such said anchor baby? I know, her relatives sent $$$ over from her country. Yea, right, sure, tell me again who is the ignorant one?
Just bc i saw someone mention canadians, i thought i'd point out that no REAL canadian considers ppl from quebec to be one...they are french wannabe's, and we all know how the world feels about the french..
on another note, in canada, you are legally required to carry government issued ID at all times once over the age of 18. if you do NOT have said ID, you can be held until you can prove your identity..(unless of course you are of color, then you're free to go)..
Thank God for people like Sheriff Arpaio. We could use this great man in Harris County Texas. We also have a battle on our hands with illegal immigration with a do nothing local sheriff. The issue is about ILLEGAL immigration, but the news forgets to emphasize that fact.
People should call Sheriff Joe's office in Arizona to voice support for him. I have and it made me feel good. There are few too many men like him.
I love Sheriff Joe's policies, of course I say that as an observer. I don't live in Arizona. I love the idea of getting a state law similar to the arizona law that requires the enforcement of the Federal law currently on the books. I don't think anything is wrong with it. We have a process for immigration here and people who don't follow it or people who conspire with others to circumvent it are breaking the law, just the same as if someone breaks into your house. If you go home tonight and discover someone else in your house, even if they aren't causing additional problems aren't you going to be upset? Wouldn't you expect that the laws of your city, county, state, and country would protect you from this kind of intrusion? Also at all those clueless turkeys who keep posting about "well we should all move back to europe since we're immigrants too"- seriously shut up. If that is the case we should ask the "Native Americans" to immigrate back across the land bridge to Siberia and be done. Perhaps you can lead the way. This is not an anti-immigrant law, it is a law to protect the citizens of Arizona, something our Federal Government for several years has failed to do.
This whole thing is about either cheap votes or cheap labor depending on who is chanting "immigration reform".
Kick all the illegals out, fine the companies that employ "undocumented workers" into the ground and that will force the american companies with business plans that rely on " cheap undocumented" labor to pay regular workers a living wage. It's amazing how people will get all worked up over coffee growers in Columbia being paid a living wage but totally ignore the fact that we've made it too easy in America to either outsource our labor and industry to third world nations or to import unskilled, undocumented labor to do the job here. Worry about the American economy first, which means the American family first. Enforce the federal immigration laws, enact stringent fines and penalties to companies who hire undocumented workers or outsource business to foreign nations, enact high tariffs to importing goods manufactured in foreign countries, and work on returning industry back to the US.
JimSpencer writes: "People should call Sheriff Joe's office in Arizona to voice support for him. I have and it made me feel good. There are few too many men like him."
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When you call his office, ask why the Sheriff has yet to publicly distance himself from the local Neo-nazis and White Supremacist supporters who seem to worship him.
Read these and then call Sheriff Arpaio's office.
Joe Arpaio and the neo-Nazis: Is there a working relationship?
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/...
Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon Demands Joe Arpaio Distance Himself from Neo-Nazis after Holocaust Museum Shooting
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard...
Hey Mia_Kulper instead of attacking JimSpencer, why don't you answer my question on how illegal immigrant women give birth to their anchor babies in our hospitals and who pays for it if they are NOT on welfare as you claim.
Are you suggesting they're paying the hospital with food stamps?
You really have me LOL with your comment. Welfare is more than food stamps my dear. I am sure you already know this.
I don't know what more to tell you, FedUpWithThis.
Earlier you claimed that an illegal immigrant working in this country is eligible for food stamps and welfare.
You were wrong. Deal with that.
The federal welfare reforms passed in 1996 specifically bars illegal immigrants from receiving food stamps or welfare.
Do you deny that? Do you at least acknowledge federal law?
I'm not saying an illegal immigrant is never getting anything, no way no how, what I'm saying is that you shouldn't let your hatred of immigrants blind you into making the crazy argument you made.
Go with the fake Social Security card angle or the friend of a friend who has a friend scenario. At least those can be argued.
I stick by everything I said because it's the truth. Even if there is a Federal Law that says that illegals aren't eligible for welfare, no one is abiding that law just like they are ignoring the laws of this land that states its a crime for illegal immigrants to be on United States soil. No matter how you look at it Mia_Kulper, these illegals are criminals just by being here, so you go and support them. Sooner or later, state by state, the same Arizona law will be enforced. It's just a matter of time.
Mia_Kulper i agree with u u r awesome!! FedUpWithThis im fed up with u!! ur a lame!!
Mia has an awesome new friend...
LoL LarryVegas, yea another illegal immigrant supporter. Makes you wonder whether they themselves are illegal, or have relatives here in the U.S that are illegal...
from the Los Angeles Times:
Lawmakers in at least a dozen states have announced plans to push similar measures to crack down on illegal immigration.
Right on!
I'm against illegal immigration too, you know.
In my area I don't see a whole lot of people who I might presume to be here illegally, so I guess I have a hard time getting all rabid about it like some folks.
And to be perfectly frank, the few people I've seen who I suspect might be working here illegally were actually working their butts off and earning their pay.
But anyhoo, I wish you lots of luck and I hope you don't end up creating some new age Nazi police state.
Mia you say " I suspect might be working here illegally were actually working their butts off and earning their pay "
Let's now go back to the Joe legal vs the Jose Illegal and see how much money Jose is making vs Joe. This is happening in real life Mia, it's not make believe.
The only make believe part I noticed was your claim that illegal immigrants working here are eligible for food stamps and welfare. They aren't.
You didn't see me disputing anything in that post, right?
Sure, we could haggle over some of the numbers maybe but it was that claim that jumped out.
Oops. I meant to say: You didn't see me disputing anything else in that post, right?
Mia if they are using fake, read me here FAKE social security numbers they can apply for everything under the sun. They are also using the system for more than you think Mia. How about you going down to Social Services one of these days and see whose sitting in the waiting rooms. I know, your gonna ask how I know they are illegally here. Well, that's an easy one. They don't speak English, and that in itself speaks volumes.
Fedup, I told you last night, Mia is a lost cause. Mias contention is, illegals can't legally apply for welfare/medicaid/food stamps, therefore they aren't recieving any. They also don't qualify for free school meals, or free education,subsidized or free housing, therefore they don't recieve any. The statistics in Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Texas, in particular,that show how much money their states pay in the millions, billions (nationwide) for illegal support, is a big fake, because they can't get any of it. I have never been so dumbfounded by anyone with this level of intelligence in a long time!!!!!!!!!!!
FedUpWithThis wrote: "Mia if they are using fake, read me here FAKE social security numbers they can apply for everything under the sun."
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Good lord you're killing me here.
Maybe 20 or 30 years ago you could scam the system with a fake Social Security number, but how far do you think an illegal immigrant who doesn't speak English is going to get with a fake Social Security number today?
Before ANY benefit is available to any US citizen, they have to prove residency, provide a valid (verified) Social Security number for themself and a Social Security number for everyone in their family. All the numbers have to match their names, addresses and DOBs or it's flagged and automatically rejected.
And that's just to try to get the ball rolling. Each state also has their own verification requirements too, in addition to those federal requirements.
I'm not saying the system is foolproof, but it's certainly no cakewalk and it's only getting tighter. You can't just make up a fake Social Security number and get benefits. That is make believe.
Ooo... be careful with those offensive acronyms!
The letter F is particularly offensive to some acronymophiles who often whine here.
Just sayin.
Hate to tell you Mia it's being done and the illegals are very good at it may I add. Someone close to me is working at a place that hires illegals using fake ss#'s. The company has no clue but many of them have told this person what they are up to. These people can't speak a word of English but yet have a job. They don't need to speak English because all they are doing is wiping down cars at a car wash. So again I say they are using fake ss#'s and the company they work for has no clue. So yes Mia, what you are saying is not true whatsoever. Let's try again.
Go down to the welfare office and see who is sitting in the waiting room and see whether or not these illegal's are not being provided with any assistance. Also, I would like you to ask the illegals who are standing outside Star nursery and Home Depot how they are surviving because they do not get hired on a daily basis. Someone is helping them otherwise they would have left town a long time ago.
lipton usually the one's who are against the Arizona law are either illegals themselves or have relatives in the United States who are here illegally. Who else would support them ( the illegals ) being here? It doesn't matter how much you post statistics, Mia has turned a blind eye. The majority of polls that have been made have said that the American people of the United States want a similar law like the one Arizona is doing. Ten states are ready to follow in their footsteps. I hope that Nevada is one of them.
FedUpWithThis writes: "Someone close to me is working at a place that hires illegals using fake ss#'s. The company has no clue but many of them have told this person what they are up to. These people can't speak a word of English but yet have a job."
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First of all, have you reported them to INS?
Second, giving a fake SS# to an employer is not going to get anybody welfare benefits. That's just loony.
Third, by giving a fake SS# to an employer, the worker ends up paying taxes out of their paycheck and will never get a tax refund or collect Social Security!
You can have the last laugh on them!
Hate to inform Mia that the INS has not be in operation since it was merged into DHS some eight years ago.
I think the organization you are looking for is either the Immigration Customs Enforcement (ICE) or the Citizenship Immigration Services (CIS)
Fedup, I hope we follow suit as well.
We may not need to though. We don't have any state money problems because of all the illegals here, they can't get any welfare/medicaid/food stamps. There is no such thing as illegals obtaining fake ID's or fake SS#'s, its all make believe.All the investigations, all the statistics,all the calculations we've been given,all of it is make believe.Everything they say is going on is impossible because it just can't be done.Whew, I'm so relieved.I actually thought there was a problem.
Yeah, because we all know that every undocumented immigrant is a criminal..........
INS doesn't care, nor does the SS administration. They take your name and your complaint and that's it. Your wrong Mia, those using a fake ss do get tax refunds. I have seen it with my own eyes. Are you really this oblivious to everything going on around you? Maybe you should get out more.
The place in question is called Terrible's. Do you know how hard it will be for the INS to round up all the illegals working in their casino's and car wash?
If the INS really cared about illegal immigrants, how come they don't go round the illegals up that are standing by the Star Nursery or Home Depot? It's a loss cause.
Here's an idea! Since the majority of petafiles are white men, let's stop any white male and ask for some identification, do background checks, question him at our will just to see if he is in fact a petafile! Why? Well we don't want crazy criminal petafiles running around now do we, defiling our AMERICAN children?
Ok, I was obviously being sarcastic. But please entertain the idea just for a moment. What if you were stopped, you were questioned, your rights were taken away? I can confidently say you would be making a fuss and a loud one at that. Suddenly YOUR rights would matter.
How can you tell between a legal or illegal immigrant? Or better yet, how do you tell between and illegal immigrant and an American citizen? You can't. Not objectively anyways. So, what Arizona police will be doing is RACIAL/ETHNIC PROFILING which is for those of you walking the line on ethics, WRONG. If you are as HARDCORE AMERICAN as you say you are then you have to respect the natural rights of people, including the rights written in the United States constitution, the right to privacy.
For some resaon Americans today feel if it's not happening to them it's not their problem. Well put yourself in their shoes for a moment and TRY to imagine what it would be like to be interagated by the police with no just cause. American democracy isn't perfect and perhaps there does need to be some type of legislation to stop illegal immigration but is this the BEST we can do? Why don't we just have immigrants wear a yellow star so we can identify them from a far?! Just like the Nazis did to the Jews? Don't agree with that? Now why would you agree with what Arizona is doing to Hispanics (Legal and otherwise)?
Equality you are completely right. The people who are saying "Good for Arizona" are probably the people who won't be racially profiled and have their rights violated, so that's why they don't care.
Its also good to know, that with these tighter laws and all, identity theft should no longer be an issue.with all the verifying and valid license and all, virtually impossible to steal, make up, falsify documents needed to steal benifits/money from others.
FedUpWithThis writes: "Your wrong Mia, those using a fake ss do get tax refunds. I have seen it with my own eyes."
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Right, the illegal immigrant workers are filing their taxes too?? And with fake SS#s no less!?
I'm sorry but you're really starting to sound like a lunatic.
I have to go for now.
Please get some help.
Equality sounds good to me. I sure don't want pedo's floating around me and mine. I don't think the cops can just pull someone over just because they LOOK illegal. You get pulled over for a traffic violation and are illegal, adios amigo. You get caught with a crime and are illegal, adios amigo. You have a warrant out for your arrest and are illegal, adios amigo. But hey, the end of the world is close at hand. I read in the book of Revelation how we will be forced to wear the number of the devil 666 on our foreheads. I wonder what will be said when that time comes???
Mia like I stated, you don't get out much. Instead of sitting on the computer spewing things you have no clue about, how about you take your tush to the welfare office, Star Nursery, Home Depot, and Terrible's. Investigate and learn a few things. There is no sense arguing with you because you will continue to defend the illegal immigrants no matter how they use the system. If I sound a lunatic, then you must sound like a moron.
i agree with equality
of course you do sonorense, why doesn't that surprise me? I'm going to go spend time with my family now. Tomorrow is another day, another fight. Good night.
Mia is a mexican, whether she/he is legal or illegal, don't know, but it is obvious Mia is playing the game.
Equality, every time we go to the airport, we have given up a certain portion of our rights, and 99.9% of the people are happy to do it because it aides in keeping us safe. Its those people who scream about their rights being violated that put us in danger. Everything you do in life is give and take, when you refuse to give a little to get a bigger return, you lose all the way around. and everyone thats ranting about their rights being violated, will cause us all to lose.What is the big flippin deal with asking for legal id or papers? they do it in every country in the world, you all act like your too good to cough up a piece of paper that says who you are.Quit whining and show your ID, if your not hiding anything, whats the problem?
also, if we had 30 million white male pedifiles crossing our borders, sucking off our govt teet, molesting, and killing our children, in a heartbeat, I'd be for stopping every one of them.
I see the Amnesty Liberals are still trying to use scare tactics and give out misinformation and disinformation about Arizona's Immigration Law SB-1070.
The Amnesty Liberals know that Arizona's law enforcement officers are prohibited from making unwarranted stops to check for citizenship.
Only when there is probable cause that a law has been broken can a law enforcement officer inquire as to the citizenship of the person or person being questioned...
i just wish it was "equal" why is everyone picking on hispanics? its messed up and racist its just not right i wish this country wasnt racist!! i live in freakin nazizona
Nobody is picking on Hispanics... It is all about ILLEGAL ALIENS who are putting a sever strain on this country's financial resources...
ditto Larry. Why do hispanics keep crying racism? If they aren't here illegally, whats the problem? It just so happens that its the 30 million illegal mexicans causing the problem.I guess actually its the fed govts fault we have this illegal problem. If they took care of business,law breakers wouldn't be an issue.
lipton concludez: "Mia is a mexican, whether she/he is legal or illegal, don't know, but it is obvious Mia is playing the game."
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lipton is a Guatemalan fruit packer, whether he/she/it is legal or illegal, illiterate and ignorant, don't know, but it's obvious she's on welfare and knows all the welfare scams like paying her taxes with a fake SS# to get her refund.
ROFL
lipton sez: "Its those people who scream about their rights being violated that put us in danger."
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Spoken like a true fascist.
FedUpWithThis writes: "Mia like I stated, you don't get out much. Instead of sitting on the computer spewing things you have no clue about, how about you take your tush to the welfare office, Star Nursery, Home Depot, and Terrible's. Investigate and learn a few things."
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I guess I've been fortunate enough to not have to go to the welfare offices like you apparently often do, I only know what the law says.
The federal laws say that illegal immigrants cannot receive welfare or food stamps, contrary to your bogus claims.
And just because your boyfriend's boss hires a lot of illegal immigrants and your boyfriend is in on the scam, that obviously doesn't make you any kind legal expert. You're more like an accomplice.
PS FedUpWithThis, since you're now also claiming that the illegal immigrant workers you know are paying income taxes and "those using a fake ss do get tax refunds" I guess that blows away another chunk of your "Joe Legal" fairy tale, eh?
Why is it that whenever you scratch the surface of the Teabagger fairy tales, they usually come unraveled like a kitten with a hot ball of wax.
I'd say that they are picking on Hispanics...how many white criminals do you think would be asked for their papers?
Thanks for another laugh this fine morning Mia. Always a pleasure.
The last time I went to the welfare office was because I needed to get a document from them concerning a surgery that I had 5 yrs ago that was paid by them because we had no health insurance. I am a United States citizen and entitled to it, not the illegal Mexican women who were sitting there pregnant and with 5 anchor babies who could not speak English.
My boyfriend is not an accomplice as you so very well claim. Called all the agencies they could care less. He works just as hard as the illegals doing the same job. Only difference is he is there legally, they are not.
I'm going to agree with lipton, you must be a Mexican yourself, probably an illegal one at that, or have family that is illegal here. You people are the only one's whose crying over this new immigration law.
How about reading about your wonderful Mexican President. That should make your heart go pitter patter.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/20100...
Again, for the thousandth time...
I see the Amnesty Liberals are still trying to use scare tactics and give out misinformation and disinformation about Arizona's Immigration Law SB-1070.
Arizona's law enforcement officers are prohibited from making unwarranted stops to check for citizenship.
Only when there is probable cause that a law has been broken can a law enforcement officer inquire as to the citizenship of the person or person being questioned...
AND THERE ARE NO PAPERS:
U.S. Citizens do not need to carry any documents to prove their citizenship.
Permanent Residents need to carry their "Green Cards" BY LAW!!!
Visitors and Foreign Nationals need to carry some document showing their immigration status.
ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO NEED TO HAVE THEIR IMMIGRATION STATUS VERIFIED!!!
FedUpWithThis concurs: "I'm going to agree with lipton, you must be a Mexican yourself, probably an illegal one at that, or have family that is illegal here."
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Vould you like to see ze papers, Herr Goosestepper?
For the record, I'm pretty sure that lipton is a Brazilian banana handler, probably an illegal one at that, judging by his illiteracy level and his total ignorance of our Constitution.
Plus, I think he's being employed by the LarryVegas Sockpuppet Enterprise under a fake SS#.
Its amazing how condescending and self-righteous people can be. I was trying to make a point about the fact that the law doesn't affect you directly, you are failing to care about the rights of those affected. Just THINK about it. It wouldn't hurt you to analyze for the opposing ideology for once. Why do you think we have a bicameral system? Because people make mistakes. Who is the government? Mere mortals my friends. People just like you and me. They can mess up. So why don't you just think about it before jumping on the bandwagon because you THINK it's going to benefit you.
Those of you that are SO very worried about your safety and tax dollars, here's an education:
1. Most WHITE Americans are on welfare. They weigh out the number of blacks, hispanics, other minorities, and ILLEGAL immigrants that are "profiting" from the system.
2. Fake SS numbers don't work. And if they do the problem is with our system.
3. Violence and crime are more likely to be shown on TV than anything else. As crime rates have gone down over the years, images/reporting of crime in the Media has gone up. You are afraid because it is profitable for someone, somewhere else. THAT IS TRUTH MY FRIENDS!
4. Illegal immigrants take the jobs that YOU and other Americans won't take. Thus, if they leave, who is going to do them? If you can honestly say that you'll take up a farming job for below minimum wage and no health care benefits let me know. Even if minimum wage and health care benefits were involved I still garantee you wouldn't be there first to sign up.
For rebuplicans you have a strange relationship with the government...an ideology stumbling into the realm of contradictory. But hey you're human. Like me. We make mistakes. Only I address mine.
Ah Mia, gotta luv ya! :) A laugh a day keeps the doctor away.
Equality:
1. Most WHITE Americans are on welfare. They weigh out the number of blacks, hispanics, other minorities, and ILLEGAL immigrants that are "profiting" from the system.
Hmmm, if that were true, then my eyes deceived me at the welfare office when I went to pick up my documents. The MAJORITY of those there were Mexicans, and next in line were the Afro American's. There was only a hand full of whites. Don't think you have the right number's there Equality.
2. Fake SS numbers don't work. And if they do the problem is with our system.
Umm, hate to argue this again, but yes they do work and the system could care less.
4. Illegal immigrants take the jobs that YOU and other Americans won't take. Thus, if they leave, who is going to do them? If you can honestly say that you'll take up a farming job for below minimum wage and no health care benefits let me know. Even if minimum wage and health care benefits were involved I still garantee you wouldn't be there first to sign up.
Again, not true. My boyfriend ( as Mia calls him ) is working right beside the illegals doing the same exact job so don't sit there and say that American's wont do the same jobs. The employers would much rather give a job to a Mexican than an American. You are only speaking about farming jobs. Stop by the Star Nursery or the Home Depot and ask one of them illegals to work for you. They DEMAND being paid $12-15 an hour. When you offer them $5 an hour they laugh at you. Seen it happen more than once when I went shopping at these places. And no, I did not ask them for help.
Mia - Using your own line of reasoning there are no illegal aliens in this country because the Federal law doesn't allow them to be here.
People are imagining this illegal immigrant problem.
The Federal government says it is illegal to come here and live and work with out the proper authorization given through the immigration process.
Your reasoning is flawed.
Once someone has broken or bent one law, what is to stop them from doing the same to another and another and another and etc. and so on?
destruct_mutt Mia's reasoning is that since the Federal law prohibits illegals from obtaining welfare services ( which they do ), there must be no illegal aliens invading the United States because it's also against Federal law for them to do so ( which they do ). Like I said earlier and others, it's a lost cause.
ROTFL @ guns4hire. I was thinking if we had another Mexican/American war ( they want their land back so let them fight for it ). What are they gonna use as their bomb? An atomic taco?
destruct_mutt says: "Mia - Using your own line of reasoning there are no illegal aliens in this country because the Federal law doesn't allow them to be here."
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No, that line of reasoning is flawed because it misstates the premise.
FedUpWithThis claimed that illegal immigrants are eligible for food stamps and welfare. They are not.
Illegal immigrants are NOT eligible to receive either food stamps or welfare. The Welfare Reform Act passed in 1996 specifically bars it.
We also have laws against robbery and jaywalking but that doesn't mean it never happens.
But it's a lie to say that illegal immigrants are "eligible for food stamps and welfare."
Make no mistake about it... Illegal aliens may not be legally eligible for public assistance including food stamps, but there are several ways to get around that troubling law.
It is common practice for illegal aliens use false or forged documents to false claim that they are U.S. Citizens and apply for public assistance benefits. What have they got to lose.
It is just as common for illegal aliens to produce an anchor baby that will enable them to enter the world of public assistance.
Most of these illegal aliens are good people except for the fact that they broke the law by being in the U.S. illegally and being dishonest in order to collect benefits meant for U.S. citizens...
I'm LarryVegas and I endorse this message!
I also endorse your message LarryVegas.
Mia, The Welfare Reform Act is a joke. As LarryVegas has explained, there is a way that the illegals obtain assistance. They are pretty good at what they do. Not only is it a crime to be in this country illegally, it is a crime for them to be sponging off the government. Now tell me Mia, if we as United States citizens don't stand up for what is rightfully ours, who will? I say, if the illegals want these rights so badly, become a citizen the legal way or fight for it. They wont do neither, they want everything handed to them on a silver platter.
Oh brother, just wonderful:
http://www.azfamily.com/outbound-feeds/y...
secure the border,change the law,those that can prove they have a full time job,not living off the taxpayers, speak english, start the process for citizenship. Those on assistance, give them 90 days to get a job, then cut off their welfare, and ship them back to Mexico.No new welfare applications. They are blatantly taking advantage and making demands. If the federal govt can't control illegals taking advantage of the govt, the scarey thing is, how is the federal govt going to control their healthcare law? or any other govt controlled, govt funded program? and in the last year and a half we have several new govt controlled agencies. They can't. Medicare and Social Security are proof.
Make no mistake about it... A new PEW Poll conducted May 6 - 9 found that 59% of Americans approve of Arizona's new illegal immigration law while only 32% disapprove.
73% approve of requiring people to produce documents verifying their legal status if police ask for them.
67% approve of allowing police to detain anyone who cannot verify their legal status.
62% approve of allowing police to question people they think may be in the country illegally.
I'm LarryVegas and I endorse this message!
Mia says "The federal laws say that illegal immigrants cannot receive welfare or food stamps, contrary to your bogus claims."
The Federal law says that illegal immigrants cannot work in this country.
The Federal law says that illegal immigrants cannot remain in the country and must be deported.
It is false to say that no public money is supporting people who are here illegally.
The Mother of every anchor baby is an illegal.
So unless there is a case worker, verifying that the citizen and their MOTHER are the only ones living in the home being provided for the citizen, then in fact we are supplying a benefit for Illegal Immigrants in this way.
It is called Welfare Fraud and it is abusing the system.
Mince words all you want but I know one thing. If I don't have to pay rent or a mortgage, I am way ahead of most of the working stiffs. Add to that utilities and food well .... I may be able to stand in front of Home Depot or Star Nursery or have a mobile car wash, take a few jobs that come my way and make out alright.
lipton, LarryVegas, destruct_mutt you all speak the truth. It doesn't matter how much we post because those who are against illegal immigration are either illegal's themselves or have relatives in the country that are here illegally. And no Mia, I do not have to see your papers, but if asked one would hope you would show them to the proper authorities.
Driver's License or State ID from Motor Vehicle
Birth Certificate
Passport
Green Card
Social Security card
all these things can prove your identity, and you should be at least carrying your driver's license or state ID always along with a social security card and green card if you have one. If you don't have any of them, good luck. That's for anyone, not just illegals. If I go driving without my driver's license and got pulled over, and I couldn't prove my identity to the officers, you better believe they would detain me until I could verify who I was. What makes it so different for the illegals of this country?
FedUpWithThis; destruct_mutt; LarryVegas; lipton
I see you all are STILL trying to get Mia to listen to the facts, since I dropped off this illogical discussion two days ago. I reported the following news story in a proior post. Here it is AGAIN.
THE FOLLOWING NEWS STORY PROVIDES THAT PROOF.
I'm sure many other states could provide similar reports of costs of services for llegal aliens.
MIA - HERE IS YOUR PROOF
DIGGER NEWS HEADLINE:
"LA Illegal Aliens Receive $420 Million A Year In Social Services Through Their Anchor Babies"
QUOTE:
"A report from the LA County Department of Social Services, requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich, shows that illegal aliens in the county are receiving $420 million per year in taxpayer funded services. This represents 24% of the county's combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget.
Each month illegal aliens receive "welfare to work" benefits through CalWorks of $20 million and $15 million in food stamps. These are facts straight from the Department of Social Services, so don't believe any BS you hear from illegal alien groups that they don't consume social services.
Antonovich's office estimates that illegal aliens are using $360 million a year in health care and $220 million a year in incarceration. That's over $1 billion a year in LA County alone and does not include education costs of illegal alien's children."
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DIGGER NEWS STORY WEB SITE (source):
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/...
Nuff said.
THIS IS IT, and that is the end of it.
Goodbye.
Thx The-Socratic-Inkwell for your input. If LA is spending over $1 billion for illegals on welfare services, I wonder what the rest of the United States is paying for them? The figures must be astronomical!
Good work there "inkwell." But I bet you that Mia and other Amnesty Liberals will not adsorb the facts that you have provided.
Amnesty Liberals have the unique ability to filter out only what they want to hear. Facts have no bearing to their closed minds...
"I'm LarryVegas and I endorse this message!"
In the same article that Inkwell posted it says:
"Just because you are born here, does it automatically give you the right to citizenship? "
It's so darn funny that when I had my daughter born in my husband's country ( Mia thinks he is my boyfriend and yes Mia my husband was a legal immigrant with a work visa and green card before I met him ), I had to prove that I was a United States Citizen because otherwise my daughter could not be a dual citizen. I had to prove different stages of my life, where I went to school, the taxes I paid, and so much more. How funny that these illegals can come to the United States, dump an anchor baby in our laps, and have full fledged citizenship? Nothing to prove whatsoever.
Make no mistake about it. A new poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling from May 10 through May 11, 2010:
QUESTION: Would you support or oppose having Nevada enact a law similar to Arizona's that would give state and local law enforcement the power to ask people already stopped for possible violations of the law to show proof they are in the country legally and then arrest those that could not provide such proof?
SUPPORT 85%
OPPOSE 8%
UNDECIDED 7%
Did you Amnesty Liberals see that 85% of Nevada's VOTERS support Nevada following Arizona's effort to curb illegal immigration.
"I'm LarryVegas and I really endorse this message!"
"Did you Amnesty Liberals see that 85% of Nevada's VOTERS support Nevada following Arizona's effort to curb illegal immigration."
The telephone survey of 500 likely Republican voters in Nevada was taken on Monday and Tuesday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/tea-party-power...
85% of Nevada voters? LIE
85% of "likely Republican voters in Nevada."
This is why you can't trust anything that comes out of Larry's mouth.
fremmasmind - when you learn how to read what someone actually said, then people will care about your comments.
FedUpWithThis quotes: "Just because you are born here, does it automatically give you the right to citizenship?"
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Yes.
See US Constition, Amendment 14.
Why do all you Teabaggers hate our Constitution?
FedUpWithThis confesses: "It doesn't matter how much we post because those who are against illegal immigration are either illegal's themselves or have relatives in the country that are here illegally."
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LOL
Please turn yourself in at your earliest convenience.
edgewise writes: "This is why you can't trust anything that comes out of Larry's mouth."
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Good catch.
That's probably why LarryVegas-AKA-henderson almost never supplies links either. If he did, it would be a lot easier to catch him lying through his teeth like that.
destruct_mutt writes: "It is false to say that no public money is supporting people who are here illegally."
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I agree that would be false to assume.
I'm only pointing out that the poster "FedUpWithThis" was lying when he claimed that illegal immigrant workers are eligible for food stamps and welfare.
Since the 1996 passage of the federal Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (Welfare Reform), illegal immigrants are specifically barred from receiving welfare or food stamps.
And it's always funny to hear the Teabaggers and wingnuts cry that illegal immigrants are taking all the welfare away from Americans when those same people don't want Americans getting welfare either.
Fellow Posters and Readers.
I made a mistake when I wrote:
"Did you Amnesty Liberals see that 85% of Nevada's VOTERS support Nevada following Arizona's effort to curb illegal immigration."
I should have wrote "Did you Amnesty Liberals see that 85% of Nevada's Republican voters support Nevada following Arizona's effort to curb illegal immigration.
I did not realize that the referenced poll had polled Republicans voters only.
"This poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Inc. of Washington, D.C. from May 10 through May 11, 2010. A total of 500 likely Republican primary voters in Nevada were interviewed statewide by telephone."
Sorry if I got any of your expectations up...
Oh, and a special thanks to edgewise and Mia for calling me a liar. You guys show a lot of class...
Mia? I am not a he, and why should I turn myself in? I am a United States Citizen by birth, and my husband whom you consider my boyfriend became a citizen 5 yrs ago ( we been married for 14 yrs ). The state of Nevada will eventually have the same illegal law as Arizona, so you better start packing now Mia ( or your illegal relatives ), your time is almost up.
If you only provided links with all of your dubious polls and stats, you'd probably be caught lying more often and more easily LarryVegas.
Fedup- Re-read what you wrote that I commented on.
Read it really carefully.
I know you typed that by mistake, but it was funny anyhow.
Well I am glad that I am not the only one to make people laugh. You do a good job at that yourself.
Oh and Mia what I was saying is why doesn't the United States go by the same rules as other countries do when it comes to immigrants who come to this land to birth their anchor babies? Why do we as American's who birth our babies over sea's have to be subjected to prove who we are so our children can become a United States Citizen thru us? What is so funny about asking for the same rights that other countries * third world countries at that * expect from us? Oh, your gonna say our Constitution. Well, that my dear Mia, is about to be changed.
LarryVegas-AKA-henderson regrets: "Sorry if I got any of your expectations up..."
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That's OK Larry.
You're making 800 posts a month, on average. You're bound to weave a tangled web.
Mia why do you keep calling LarryVegas AKA Henderson?
That's one of the sockpuppets LarryVegas uses when he wants to make more than 800 post a month.
LoL how can you be so sure of that Mia?
Fedup writes: "Oh and Mia what I was saying is why doesn't the United States go by the same rules as other countries do when it comes to immigrants who come to this land to birth their anchor babies?"
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We could.
For that matter, we could do lots of other things that other countries do.
Our Constitution has been amended many times in our history. I just don't think the Teabaggers have the stomach or the gumption to get it done.
Well, I think we are about to see a change in the Constitution one more time me dear, and this time it isn't going to support the illegal immigrants.
Another personal attack from Mia...
I made a mistake in my posting and apologized.
Mia shows a complete lack of civility in calling me a liar and continuing to call me a liar after I apologized.
Nothing but personal attacks from Mia...
Mia doesn't like us LarryVegas, that's apparent. There is a block button somewhere around here. I won't use it, I think he/she is funny.
Fedup writes: "Well, I think we are about to see a change in the Constitution one more time me dear, and this time it isn't going to support the illegal immigrants."
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I'll abide by our Constitution in any case but I'd be opposed to amending it over this.
I can try to empathize with the people who are having trouble because of illegal immigration but it's not in my day-to-day field of view and I've got bills to pay and stuff to do.
So I have a hard time getting worked up about it.
Naturally I don't want crooks or terrorists sneaking across any of our the borders. The borders should be secured better than they have been.
It comes down to the level of security we want along our borders, the price we are willing to pay for it, and what we can afford.
While it's not at the top of my list I'd be glad to see a proposal for practical border improvements that make sense.
I just don't want to see us get reamed building some crazy 58 trillion dollar Haliburton moat around America. If we have smart, dedicated people in our government working on it and not a bunch of crooks, cronies and looters, I'm sure we could get our borders a lot more secure than they have been.
Amen to that Mia, but it's time to start cleaning up the mess that's been made. Illegals are by our Constitution criminals, they all need to be in jail or deported back to where they come from. They made the anchor babies, they have two choices, keep them and take them back to their country or origin and when the child is 18, that child can come back to the U.S. OR give the child to the government of the United States. It's not a hard choice Mia. Know what I mean?
That line of argument is less compelling for me.
If we improve border security, the other problems will gradually wane on their own.
Of course it's less compelling. That's what I was told when I went to the American Embassy that if I did not prove that I was an American Citizen by proving 5 yrs of my life living in the United States that I had two choices, either live in said country with my child or go back to the U.S. alone. Nice huh? But it's not nice to say these things when it concerns illegal immigrants coming over to America to have their anchor babies.
Larry, how come you almost never supply links with all those crazy polls and stats you're always posting, so people can easily click and tell if/when you're lying?
You're getting all that stuff from the web? Why not give links? Otherwise it makes it look like you're being deceitful, especially when it turns out you ARE.
Why no linky Larry?
Every public supported hospital (and border hospital) needs to have the delivery room(s) designated as international territory where the child is determined to be a citizen of the same country(s) as the gentically verified parents.
Kind of like the Airport before you clear customs, no man's land. No need for an ammendment to the Constitution there, just a decision by our leaders to do it.
Send the bill to parents first, if not paid by them, the country of their citizenship second.
We wouldn't need a fence after we started to bill Mexico for delivering their citizens in our first rate hospital facilities here in the States.
Mia, I always list the source of the information.
In this case I wrote:
"A new poll was conducted by Mason-Dixon Polling from May 10 through May 11, 2010."
Just for you, here is the link: http://www.lvrj.com/hottopics/politics/p...
I don't know if this would have made any difference, but, I just might have to reconsider if it would make life easier...
destruct_mutt sounds good to me, but I think Mia might find that less compelling too.
Those who believe that the 14th amendment grants citizenship automatically need to read up a bit.
"During discussion of whether to pass the 14th Amendment, there was great debate over granting citizenship to anyone born in the United States. The author of the 14th Amendment, Senator Jacob M. Howard, stated, in reference to the Amendment, "This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the family of ambassadors, or foreign ministers accredited to the the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_...
Mia finds is less compelling because Mia is either here illegally, an anchor baby, or has relatives here illegally or maybe the boyfriend is illegal. There is not a person out there as tunnel visioned about this issue, Mia is playing the game.Haven't you all noticed when a poster gives the story plus the link, Mia totally ignores it and wants to know why all teabaggers hate the constitution. Here's your answer: we don't hate the constitution, we hate that illegals come here demanding righs, and costing us billions, and commit horrible crimes.
lipton, me thinks that Mia has family that is here illegally. Mia has suggested in past posts showing her/his legal documents ( except to the law enforcement official who asks for it ). No one could be this bent out of shape about the laws of this nation except those here illegally already, or have family members here illegally. It's simple about anchor babies, take them with you when you get deported. They have a right as American Citizens to return to the good ol'e U.S of A when they are 18 yrs of age. It might be too hard by then for them to prove that they went to school in the United States when said anchor baby has a child of their own making it very difficult for them in the future. Ah that explains it. Yes, sir, indeed it does.
As long as you're hating on something, you'll be happy. This year it's the Mexicans. Last year it was Muslims and before that it was the gays.
We could agree on securing the border and have common ground on which to achieve a goal that most all of us want, but you're all about keepin the hate alive, not making things better.
If you could torture illegal Mexican immigrants you'd probably go for that too. Or shoot them, like another fan of Sheriff Arpaio in this discussion proposed. He was prolly a pro-lifer too, but that's just a guess.
I'd like to stay and berate you some more but it's Friday and I'm livin la vida loca, baby. Good luck with your neo-nazi police state.
Hmm, what does illegal immigration have to do with Mexicans? Tis true that Las Vegas has many illegal Mexicans but they are not the only illegals around.
BTW Mia, love them Muslims and gay people. They never did a thing to me. Know what? Neither have the legal Mexicans.
I do believe we have hit the nail on the head and possibly a raw nerve.
Lets clarify something: I will take the liberty of speaking for most of us, we don't hate mexicans, we hate the fact "illegal" come here with the intention of decieving "we the people" of the United States, costing this country billions of tax dollars and going up every year.
The only Muslims that are dispicable are the "radical" muslims that come to this country and blow people up.
And I for one, don't have problems with gays, so long as they don't try shoving their beliefs down my throat.So, you can stop with the hate excuse, because it doesn't fly. If mexicans want to live in america, they can go through the same procedure any other immigrant has to go through for citizenship,and crossing the border just to have their kid here, so they can reap the benifits of the govt welfare system, paid by "us" the american taxpayer,just shows the caliber of people they really are.Not to mention the crime rate thats risen with the criminals from Mexico coming here as well.
lipton - the gay statement makes me laugh.
Agree with what you say.
The way it stands right now, we are clearly rewarding the wrong type of behaviour.
Beg, borrow, lie, cheat and steal just to get here. (please note that there were no identifying statements about who came here or from whence they came)
I also agree with what you said lipton. Why should the illegals be given amnesty and not go thru the proper procedures like the rest of the other immigrants who did it the right way. Can you imagine the protests from those people? I wonder if the government would give back all the time and money that these people paid by doing things the legal way.
Thanks guys. I am also appauled at their ignorance to the celebration of Cinco de Mayo. Do they even know what that day represents? Do they even know the history of it? Obviously not. It is every bit an american holiday as Mexican. Why do you think "we americans" celebrate it in america? They demand rights, they demand respect, yet haven't done anything to earn either of those.
destruct, if thats what the 14th amendment states, then why is it, that an illegal mexican can have a baby in the US and it is automatically a citizen with all the bennies of citizens? Could it be, that the federal govt has yet again, not enforced the laws, allowed abuse and corruption of taxpayers funds? If this is the law, then it needs to be enforced. It needs to be brought to the forefront of the illegal intrusion into america.
Mia writes, as long as you're hating something you're happy.
I find this statement very compelling
Since the beginning of the Obama campaign, the liberals have: hated Bush, hated Sarah Palin, hated Bill O'Reilly, hated Glen Beck, hated republicans attitude toward terrorism, hated republicans stance on healthcare, hated rupublicans stance on illegal immigration, hated republicans stance on drill here, hated republicans stance on Iran, hated republicans stance on Isreal,hated republicans stance on homeland security,hated the republicans stance on the auto bailout, hated the republicans stance on bank bailouts, on and on and on. So, lets put the hate where it belongs there Mia.Now tell us, with, 13 trillion in debt, China owning us, unemployment still at 13%,30 million illegals costing us billions, how in the h8ll are we better off with all that republican hatred? Who really has the hatred going on? The liberals will devastate this country, all in the name of hatred toward the republican party, to do just the opposite, to make a point.Ok, thanks, I'm done venting.
Hi: lipton, FedUpWithThis, destruct_mutt, LarryVegas...
I commend you all for your dedication in addressing these issues. BUT FEAR NOT. I believe all these Illegal Alien issues will be RESOLVED BY THE ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER 2010 (and further, in 2012) when the will of the majority of US Citizens - "We the People..." - will prevail.
This issue of securing the border, and "Illegal Aliens," has to be resolved before Americans REVOLT!
Paul Revere is dead, but not forgotten. He and others fought to build this new Republic and a Constitutional Government. NOW WE have to "fight" to keep the laws, and our rights, the Constitution mandates.
The COST of providing Illegal Aliens with welfare, food stamps, education, medical care, etc. - and NOT building a BORDER FENCE to inhibit easy-access - is only one COST that adds to our current national and states fiscal demise. The US and its several states are not made of money; WE CAN go bankrupt.
The programs and COSTS associated with Illegal Alien was legislated by the Congress, and many Presidents. They also moved the implementation, and fiscal responsibility (for paying the bill) to the STATES.
Therefore, such programs and costs are now UNFUNDED LIABILITIES - created by legislative mandate - beginning with President Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society Program" in the 1960's. The several States and the Federal government have to find taxes each year to pay for the cost of such social programs. To do so, they TAX the rest of us. Thus, providing welfare, etc., for Illegal Aliens becomes an added cost we cannot sustain - and THE BILL is coming due.
Our ECONOMIC ENTITLEMENT and SPENDING PATTERNS are a recipe for DISASTER, which can only result in the DOWNFALL OF THE UNITED STATES.
So, in November, vote the TAX AND SPEND LIBERALS OUT OF OFFICE - but also ensure that the conservatives (republican or democrat) DO NOT CONTINUE, ADVOCATE, OR PRACTICE, the same fiscal irresponsibility, and lax immigration policies that we have see in recent years.
And finally, BUILD THE DAMM FENCE. This will make it much harder to enter the USA.
Sorry for the length of my commentary. I am jsut very concerned because I do not see any "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN" - which was prommised by the "OCCUPANT of the white House." Not as is, the FISCAL DEMISE OF THE UNITED STATES.
When the President told ICE not to enforce US immigration laws and chase Illegal Aliens, the President VIOLATED the OATH he took "..to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States (so help me God)."
As American Citizens, let us not forget the PLEDGE OF ALLIGIENCE all US citizens subscribe to, and ensure that our elected officials enforce our laws, protect and defend us, and obey the Constitution of the United States - the Law of the Land.
Socratic, I agree with the fence. however, we must change the way we deal with illegals who come here. we need to change or enforce the law that says they don't become automatic citizens because they are born on american soil. They have to prove to be an asset not a liability. Never recieving govt assistance.If we just build the 50 foot fence, they will build a 51 foot ladder. There has to be consequence for illegal entry.First,speak english, no more welfare, then no more anchor babies, build the fence.
lipton: I agree with your thoughts on what is needed, and almost all people I talk to do too. But several folks in Congress, and some not in Congress, have said that they would be glad to entertain immigration reform - including what to do about the illegal aliens currently in the United States.
BUT almost all of them said we should SECURE THE BORDER FIRST - and get the ability for illegal ENTRY under control. THEN, they believe that legislators will more agreeable to talking about other such issues that we are all concerned about - on "both sides of the aisle."
Tne REASON GIVEN for the interest in building the wall FIRST, is to preclude the opportunity for additional people to make a "mad-dash" across the U.S. border - to become part of any favorable grants (read that: amnesty and/or citizenship path) that might be coming in legislative actions. Such a rush over the border occurred when Amnesty was being talked about for illegal aliens about 25 years ago.
It is believed by myself, and others, that if the border is "shut down" FIRST (only by building a wall, and thereby, securing the U.S. Border), then Members of Congress (a self-interested group) will be more willing to negotiate (via more "quid pro quo's"), to provide the necessary votes - just as they did when the Health Care Bill was being voted on.
As a reminder, construction of a border wall was legislated in the Bush years, yet FUNDING to build has not been forthcoming adequately from Congress. So, with so many "pet issues and interests" to resolve - the WILL to build the wall has abated, politically - and along with it, immigration reform - and such is "business as usual" in the U.S. Congress.
So there are those whos feel the best chance for any immigration reform, will only come after a wall is built as an indicator of a subatantive beginning - which will require a lot of "quid pro quo's" - just like what was necessary to pass the Health Care Bill.
We don't need a fence in the desert. Too much environmental impact.
We need a clearly marked border line painted all the way from the fences in each border city to the next.
Oh and several snipers. Random locations. 2 warning shots. 3 strikes you're out.
It is illegal to enter this country by evading legal points of entry.
Print the "Notice of Boundary Enforcement" in Spanish and broadcast it in Mexico and other South American countries.
The US wouldn't even have to really shoot anybody. We could simply make a "Propaganda Film" showing someone being shot while crossing the border. It'll give the CIA something to do.
That might slow the flow.
Just run the weekly story about how another Mexican/ El Salvodoran, Guatamalan etc. etc. was shot while crossing the border. Require the news papers and television stations to run the stories.
C'mon, tell me the propaganda machine is not already in place!!!
I also think we need to secure our borders before we impliment the other aspects of this issue to prevent millions more from running here if in deed they plan on amnesty, which I am against. What I have suggested would deter the millions.If they aren't getting the bennies,they have no reason to be here. and those that are really interested in becoming a productive part of our society, would go through the process to become citizens.....maybe!!!
The State of Sonora is angry at the influx of Mexicans into Mexico .
Nine
state legislators from the Mexican State of Sonora traveled to Tucson
to
complain about Arizona's new employer crackdown on illegal's from
Mexico.
It seems that many Mexican illegal's are returning to their hometowns
and
the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked off.
A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson on
Tuesday to state that Arizona 's new Employer Sanctions Law will have
a
devastating effect on the Mexican state.
At a news conference, the legislators said that Sonora, - Arizona's
southern neighbor, - made up of mostly small towns, - cannot handle
the
demand for housing, jobs and schools that it will face as Mexican
workers
return to their hometowns from the USA without jobs or money
Arizona is awesome!!!!!! Take away their govt subsidy and source of income and they will go home.Give the jobs back to american citizens.Drop our enemployment rate, reduce our welfare cost,education funding will be reduced,the ghettos where they live will go away and the crime rate will drop and people can feel safe in their own nighborhoods.Win, win.If they really want to be american citizens, do it the legal way and prove to be an asset not a liability.Any criminal history denies you citizenship ever.caught here,extradite and prison,let Mexico support their criminals.
Support Arizona's fight against illegal immigration and oppose the Left's efforts for a boycott of Arizona. There is a Special Election in Maricopa County, ground zero for Arizona's fight against illegal immigration, with one candidate who is a West Point Graduate, Gulf War Veteran, and career prosecutor supporting the full and fair implementation of SB1070. He is Bill Montgomery who is endorsed by Sheriff Joe Arpaio. His opponent, Rick Romley, called for the Governor of Arizona to veto SB1070 the day before she signed it into law. We can show our support around the country by donating the amount of $10.70, in honor of SB1070, to Montgomery's Campaign. You can donate online at: https://www.montgomery2010.com/contribut... Show your support now!
The Arizona immigration bill is a carbon copy of Federal Law US Code Title 8, 1304, US Code Title 8 Section 1324 and US Code Title 8 Section 1324a. Which was already in placed since 1940. And you can take that to the bank.
Perhaps the greater challenge by Arizona's stiff anti-alien policy is being able to confront the issue in plain face, rather than in the personal bias of our own reflections. In reading these blogs with their gamut of spitfire comments from people brashly bunting to score a political point for their side, doing so by coloring the issue with emotional overtones and then claiming they are grounded in truth by masting their opinion on a fact or two is taking the serious need for this intelligent debate and reducing it to a talk show.
The bait in this debate is to rush right in, start launching an opinion, treating the issue like a territorial battle, believing that its rightful conclusion has more to do with the number of mouths speaking for their side rather than what is coming out of them. The trap set springs from the seemingly decisive simplicity of the issue in defining what's right and what's wrong on the basis of the words 'legal' and 'illegal'. This dogmatic approach to this kaleidoscopic issue layered with history, labor, ambiguous government policy and politics, as well as violence, drugs, theft, rape, murder, revolt, and let's not forget, economics, is an elementary answer to a quadratic question. By disregarding the complexity of the issue (e.g. the push to step up enforcement against illegals often is emphasized by criticism that they are more of a burden to America's wealth and progress than a help, which is irrelevant to the question of status) the debate quickly is thrown into a pig pile of opinions for or against radically or reasonably dealing with the presence of illegals in this country. With the winner of the debate being awarded to the last opinion still squealing on top of the pork heap. In the end no solution is reached nor is anyone more or less convinced of the soundness of their position. People, this is what we've got to avoid because it is the source and political barrier that is going to divide and deviate us (who care), from dealing with the real variables, facts, persons, and factors that need to be equated to seek a competent and objective solution to our immigration crisis.
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For now, it seems the political strategy employed by enacting this law is working. For instead of formulating a law that's directed at solving the core immigration issues, like the border scenarios including: greater security, violent clashes between drug traffickers and citizen militias or border patrol, treatment of illegals at the hands of racists, the costs of deportation, the racket set up by Mexican Coyotes, the battery and impoverishment of those running for the border, the death toll on both sides, the splitting of parents and children, and the absurdity of the legal immigration process reinforced by both Mexico and America's bureaucracy. All of these key concerns to the issue are side lined by a law whose widespread reach and ambiguous criteria for enforcement is just a blanket treatment and free license for police and border patrol to just deal with these situations at their own discretion. S.B. 1070 says, "A. No official or agency of this State or County , City, Town or other political sub-division of this State may adopt a policy that limits or restricts the enforcement of Federal Immigration Laws to less than the full extent permitted by law. B. For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency"A reasonable attempt should be made when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person." This is if you will excuse the expression is a cop out, and as known and openly admitted by Jan Brewer is not going to resolve the problem. "Although I recognize that Arizona Senate Bill 1070, as amended, is not the entire solution to our illegal immigration problem in Arizona, most people are united in the hope that it will finally inspire the politicians in Washington, D.C., to stop talking and to start action now," Jan Brewer (Arizona Governor: "Boycott is misguided" on espn.com). From Jan Brewer's own words it is clear that the law has not been designed to comprehensively handle the problem but to attract federal attention, which usually occurs as a byproduct of inciting heated debate among citizens.
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This law has got "I mean business written all over it" allowing one cop to decide who can be questioned, followed by the authority to take them into custody, and then drive them to the border for deportation. If this doesn't sound like an eerie level of power to be afforded a cop or border patrol whose job description does not include sensitivity just think of it in its basic terms. A Cop in Arizona now has the sole authority to throw someone out of the country and into the hands of the Federal Deportation Facility. The people there also don't have such a squeaky clean record of being unprejudiced and work with the cops. Especially clause E. of the law which states "A Law Enforcement Officer, without A warrant, may arrest a person"..Any public offense that makes the person removable from the United States". S.B. 1070) for a political attempt at getting attention this is a flirtation with potential abuse of power on a massive scale. Think, Think, Think of the implications of a cop or cops who often are unmarried due to the nature of their work, targeting some illegal alien Mexican women, apprehending them, raping them, and ditching or officially having them deported by Federal Deportation agents their in cahoots with at the border without any one questioning, why a local police cruiser is hauling this woman or women to the border without any forum to be heard. With no intermediary authority save the Deportation office, which is already at the end of the line and no need for a warrant this is certainly a level of endangerment that's been added to this issue.
I would like to state for the record for those who are still reading now whispering hypocrite, after my emphatic opening of looking at this issue objectively that I am against illegal immigration and do not support or respect anyone sneaking across the border to come to America for whatever their purposes may be. I am and continue to remain a steadfast believer in a legal immigration and do not want undocumented workers or work going on in America. I also believe that there needs to be a better tracking method for making this reality possible as I also am a heartfelt believer in the words imprinted on the only iconic symbol of America I see every 4th of July when watching N.Y. fireworks or picking up a 20th century American history book. Those words being "Give me your poor, hungry, and huddled masses" on the base of the Statue of Liberty, the respect of which, by U.S. immigration officers, I certainly have benefitted from as my Grandmother came over from Russia in WW II in order that I could be participating in this debate, with an education, a roof over my head, a computer, and a job to pay for my internet connection.
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I would also like to add that I am not proposing Full Fledged Amnesty be granted for all illegals or undocumented in this country; this shoulder shrugging and broad brush treatment would be a nod and deference to unlawful behavior which is disrespectful to all who took the pains and sacrifices to acquire citizenship legally as well as dishonor the integrity of the law. I would like to further confess to any who are still with me that I have just recently completed a course in Sociology dealing with the complexities of Race , Power, dynamics on a range of issues throughout the history of the U.S.
Upon initially engaging in the topic of immigration as a study of American views, cases of behavior, benefits and treatment in response to legal and illegal immigration. I entered this discussion fairly clear on my stance which favored a stern view towards illegal aliens and their removal. What was missing from my frame work of understanding on the topic was not a heart, because primarily I tend to favor a humane attitude towards humans unless given cause to respond otherwise. What I was lacking was a head of clear information on the intricacy and extensive implications of the issue which in my opinion begin with the governments move through the people (as in citizens, legals, and illegal's) then through infrastructures of law, corporations, organized crime and end with government. It is my hunch that even Jan Brewer , other statesmen like McCain and law officer's such as in Sheriff Apria also believe this is the case, which is why their reaching desperately to find ways to get Federal help to deal with the issue of illegal immigration particularly in terms of the border.
The border, which at least by current figures quoted by Author Tram Nguyen commenting on Homeland's security budget, that earmarked 2.5$ billion just to maintain present security standards to properly man and secure; would require multibillions to effectively control (excluding the construction of a fence) and is not getting the funds to reign in the problem. A problem which for at least 20 years is being responded to by the Federal government with a "Don't ask don't tell" attitude.
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The problem to sum up is : The country of Mexico is not making any serious measure at stabilizing the safety or even the water in it's country much less its economy, therefore, there will always be an influx of Mexicans dire to come to America, since the amount of Mexicans, or Latinos are not a minority in America they're immigration standards are more strict and are of a longer wait (if some one who is seeking a special operation perhaps longer than they have to live), therefore eliminating all illegal attempts at immigration for now is impossible, part of Mexico's economy thrives on drug cartels and illegal transport of aliens, American corporations are taking advantage of the prospect of illegal aliens as in Wal-Mart and Tyson Chicken naming two, Border Patrol is not given the artillery or the man power to deal with armed carriers trafficking drugs over the Border, Rancher's and Residents are at risk and are getting robbed and killed, Citizen Militias are revolting and suffering casualties and some deaths, 200 illegal's are being killed at the Border each year some are Mother' s and children dying of thirst, cold, shot, or unknown, the cost of their burial is not included in the cost of security, All of the Franchise (that's legal) occurring around the border between Mexico and the U.S. Represents 300 billion$.
I'm open and up to hearing any solutions from you guys that takes these factors into account. A solution which induces legal immigration, puts the Coyotes out of work, saves the lives of Border Patrolmen, Citizen Militias, Ranchers, and Residents by cutting drug trade down to lets say 50% being ambitious, and ends Day of the Dead from being the only celebrated holiday that both Mexicans and Americans can jointly participate in at the Border. Maybe a volunteer effort to build the fence the way we have been fixing up homes in Katrina to save on taxes, and lives, which would have to be coupled with a streamlined immigration process at the border to eliminate the death factor from people getting snipered at the fence.
I will direct this comment to whoever cheered on the strafing down of human beings at the border just because their "illegal" people in desperate straits better thank the creator their not on the border and have to defend it. For if the severity of this law leads Mexicans to severe ends, We could wind up seeing a modern reenactment of the Alamo, where the sheer number of Mexican fighters overtook American forces claiming the lives of Davey Crocket and Daniel Boon among many of the strongest patriots to live in this country. Remember from the Bible as "As above so below" those who lack mercy in honoring the six commandment will face similar severity of Judgment on an eternal scale.
On a final note lets all use our heads on this issue myself included and not let the political strategy behind this law turn this countries citizen's on one another or lead us to spend more time working the blame spinner than working with each other on intelligently sleuthing out solutions. This Law is quickly being turned into a True Patriotism Detector Test causing flaring tempers and all sensible discussion go the way of a Sports Fan Shouting Match of who's the "Real American" garbage. I call out to all Americans on this blog and yes dare I say it undocumented aliens if your on this blog to talk about a real solution, cause were better than this, and can hold our heads above the political racquet or rackets of government.