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Sunday, March 21, 2010 | 2 a.m.
Dina Titus
Shelley Berkley
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In the end, there was really no other choice for Nevada’s two House Democrats than to vote yes on the health care bill.
Reps. Shelley Berkley and Dina Titus withheld their support for today’s scheduled vote until the last minute, playing out a story line whose end was clearly in sight.
But drama ensued as the political powers in Washington focused on the undecided, and Democratic leaders pursued the 216 votes the House would need for passage.
Titus and Berkley took different routes to arrive at the obvious.
Berkley received phone calls last week from two Cabinet secretaries and President Barack Obama, but Titus was largely left alone.
Titus had made it clear to her party’s leaders in Washington that she would not be pressured about her decision. She told all who would listen, especially her constituents, that she wanted to read the bill and review the financial report before she would make her decision.
Party leaders let her be. Opponents ran ads against her. Angry constituents called her office.
Titus’ reluctance to support the bill is understandable. She is the first Democrat to represent the Southern Nevada swing district. Health care remains a divisive issue that Republicans will use to try to unseat her as she seeks a second term. Her party is nowhere near as popular as it was when she was elected in 2008.
Berkley, meanwhile, emerged as a surprise holdout. She expressed reservations about the Senate-passed bill now before the House. But she had also said she was not about to let the “perfect be the enemy of the good.”
What was she waiting for? A few things, actually.
One was a chance to discuss improvements that could be made to the bill and convey her belief that the administration and Congress could do a better job communicating their message and countering misinformation from the opposition.
In the end, though, neither Titus nor Berkley had much of a choice but to give the bill their support. Both congresswomen had voted for the original House bill. To change positions would expose them to criticism of flip-flopping.
True, the Senate bill is different in important ways from the one they first supported. But legislative nuances get lost in campaign ads.
Moreover, House Democrats know they face a difficult re-election season this fall. Even when the public is divided, being able to come home and say you accomplished something is better than returning empty-handed.
But perhaps more telling, Democratic fortunes will rise or fall this November largely on the success of the president, and if Obama’s domestic priority went down in defeat — after a year of debate — few in the party would look good.
Better for Democrats to take a tough “yes” vote for the team than what may seem like an easier “no” vote that kills the bill and may imperil them all.
That is a tough sell for some Democrats, but for others it may come more easily. Both Titus and Berkley have been advocates of health care reform, believers in the overall architecture of a system that would provide universal coverage to the nation’s uninsured, including nearly 500,000 in Nevada, according to statehealthfacts.org.
Berkley is likely to face an easier re-election campaign than many of her colleagues in her relatively safe seat in Las Vegas. Titus, facing a more difficult re-election, is better off going to voters with her convictions on health care rather than a vote that would be used against her either way.
In the end, it was an easy decision, even if getting there was hard.
They played their game and pretended to listen. They acted out the story and tried to act like fiscal conservatives worried about the people back home.
Today they vote for the health bill. Today they vote for the IRS to check monthly to see if you have an approved health plan or they will fine you. Today they vote for the IRS to be able to confiscate funds necessary to enforce your compliance.
Today they vote that you must buy something just for being alive in the United States. Today they vote to destroy America as we know it.
I believe they think their future rides on presidential accomplishments, but I also believe they are mistaken. More people are paying closer attention to the individual vote. This one vote could cost them their seat, and if they are not representing the majority of their constituents they deserve to lose it.
These two were always going to vote for Socialism no matter what was right for the people of the United States or Nevada.
They will probably vote to reward the millions of criminal invaders who are trying to destroy this country (The so called Amnesty).
Then we have but NO choice to VOTE you out of office".. You had made your on grave live with it ,with that vote for yes.
Are we allowed to nominate more than one for the category Best actress voting aye traitorious role?
"Well this was really a tough one to vote on...",
the drama I've seen through-out these final days, makes me sick because some of these congressmen are willing to break rules of our Government and pass this dirt any way they can without a vote, Why are our elected officials trying any way they can to pass this bill? If it was a good bill they would get the votes. This tells us how bad the bill is because they know that they can't pass it by a vote, so they will have to pass it anyway they can find. Can't the congressmen who are against this bill call a foul to the ones that are trying to jam it through?Why don't we hear our congressmens voices who are against this bill. Where is our mass media? It seems they want us to only hear one side. How typical.
"To change positions would expose them to criticism of flip-flopping." I guess they prefer to be exposed as idiots.
Drive stakes of truth through their socialist hearts. Send Titus back to Georgia and Berkley back to Israel.
Senate Health-Care Bill Provision Would Make it Impossible for Future Congresses to Repeal Parts of Bill
A provision deep within the Senate's 2,000-page health-care overhaul bill would make it impossible, once approved, for the legislation to be repealed or changed by future Congresses -- a provision that a Senate Republican and a conservative analyst say is unconstitutional.
On page 1,020, the bill states: "It shall not be in order in the Senate or the House of Representatives to consider any bill, resolution, amendment or conference report that would repeal or otherwise change this subsection."
The provision appears in Section 3403 of the Senate bill, which creates an Independent Medicare Advisory Board (IMAB). The objective of the board would be to "reduce the per capita rate of growth in Medicare spending," which has ballooned in recent decades. The IMAB would recommend changes to the Medicare program to limit its spending growth -- recommendations that would automatically go into effect unless Congress votes to block them.
The provision would not allow Senators in future congresses to offer legislation that would change or repeal the content of the preceding subsection, which dictates how Congress would consider the recommendations of the IMAB.
http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patie...
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/59274
I believe this health care bill will benefit many people-and will not harm those of you who feel so threatened by it. Sadly, it has become a ghost of the initial plan. We are one of the few nations in the world not providing universal health care to all citizens.
We are right down there with the third world countries too poor to provide health care to citizens.
How very sad.
Our citizens have become mean, greedy and focused on money over the past ten years.
You sure can't take it with you, but if that is THE most important part of your life-as a nation-and fighting to keep those dollars in your pocket feels like the better life-peace.
During the Great Depression (that began, of course, under republican president Hoover and a republican-controlled Congress) the GOP tried to stop FDR from passing Social Security. Thankfully, republicans lost that battle and SS has since kept millions of families from falling into poverty.
Eighty years later, nothing has changed. Conservatives are still fighting against the middle class while doing the bidding for corporations and the very wealthy. It's in their blood. When Big Insurance or Big Oil or some other powerful group says jump republicans ask how high. But they'll never lift a finger for average citizens.
Today's vote will be historic. Healthcare for all will be added to the list of many other Democratic achievements like the SSA, the Veterans Administration, student loan programs and Medicare and Medicaid.
It's a great day for our country, thanks to President Obama and the Democrats.
Today these two have no choice?
Yesterday, this paper hailed these two as heroines of health care reform.
What is it LV Sun, harlots or heroines?
As I said elsewhere this morning, this was not just the brave choice, but ultimately the smart choice as well. This package, once passed and signed into law, will end HMO abuses and provide more affordable health care coverage to more Nevadans. The Republicans are making a HUGE mistake in campaigning to repeal it, and Berkley and Titus would have made a HUGE mistake in voting against health care...
But thankfully, they didn't. And all of us who voted for them and delivered Nevada's 5 electoral votes to Barack Obama in 2008 will remember this as we vote again this year.
These two congresswomen are nothing but phony's.
It will be interesting to see how many of the additional 16,500 IRS agents decend on Las Vegas residents to collect insurance payments that are past due under the Healtcare bill. It's either pay or go to jail folks.
On the BS scale (with 10 being the super BS level), this "news article" is a 20.
If you believe anything this fanasty story says then you will believe that the moon is made out of cheese.
NO OTHER CHOICE? How about getting some balls and doing whats RIGHT rather than what the party wants you to do. I'll bet theres more pork in this bill than any other, cause you all know, we are going to have your tails come election time. 'You all have let us down.
As for "fines" if you dont have health insurance? How do you pay for it when you are unemployed? How about raising the unemployement check to cover the cost of the insurance? I bet you wont see that happen !!!!
One hundred years from now, Harry, Dina and Shirley will be remembered as Minions of the Socialistic-Indonesian-born Marxist president of the United States.
Social security and Medicare were opposed by conservatives too!
Okay you got the French point of view from Pierra, us Mexicans we like free heath care and 100 years from now, we will be ruining I mean running everything ! WE would be in charge sooner since with the Obama Reid open boarder plan, we should be the majority in 15-20 years but hey you know how we are ....
I hope they understand, along with Harry Reid, that we have no choice but to vote then out this fall.
All you right wing dopes are going to get old some day, and then you will face the decision-Do I take Soc Sec? Do I enroll in Medicare?
The answer is obvious, but sad. Yes, you will. As an idiot said recently "Keep government out of Medicare". Hello?
Democrats Shelly Berkley and Dina Titus ALWAYS knew how they would vote. They pander to their constiuents to make it look good and totally ignore their wishes in the end. There is only one way to bring leadership back to Nevada; we have to fire them. I encourage everyone to throw their support to their oppositions camp. Let's send them and Washington a clear message, that you better listen to the people or else your fired!
We DON"T have to settle for POOR Leadership from Reid, Berkley, and Titus. Let's take our state back! Folks, redirect your anger and outrage to ousting them in November. It CAN be done and WE Can do it!
Democrats Harry "Backdoor" Reid, Shelly Berkley, and Dina Titus are going to do AYTHING they want until the stopped. They've already made that clear. Stop letting your vote being taken for granted and START holding these poor politicians ACCOUNTABLE to the people.
Yeah....that is right BackDoor Reid and Taxus Titus are shoving this down America's and Nevadan's throat.
Very odd. Nevadans voted to elect each of these Democrats--Obama, Reid, Berkley, and Titus. For some reason, majority rule is acceptable only when it elects the person YOU like? I seem to recall others who thought this way, and they lost the war.
I say this knowing Berkley and Titus: they really thought about it. Republicans have the tendency to believe that everyone else must be in lockstep because they are. Some Democrats suffer from the same tendency, unfortunately, but one of the reasons that there are so many jokes about Democrats being disorganized--besides that they have some validity--is that Democrats actually do think about and discuss these matters instead of simply saying what today's Republicans say: the other side is against it, so we have to stop it, even if it's good for the country.
Speaking of which, I continue to wait for Republicans and Tea Partiers here to disown their Tea Party allies who throw things at Parkinson's patients and yell racial epithets at civil rights advocates who risked their lives in the 1960s. Or do you share those views? If you want to wait to respond until you return from church, where you supposedly believe in The Bible and The Ten Commandments, I will check in later.
How can any Democrat not vote for the number one policy position of the Democratic Party for the last 60 years? If Dina didn't, she would lose her next election because she betrayed what Democrats have stood for for generations. She made the choice any Democrat would make. If she didn't she might as well have changed over to the GOPer party. She was elected because she is a Democrat not despite it.
The issue is not about what's good for America and We The People - it's about which political party beats the other.
Stupid.
It doesn't matter if this program is good for our country. Nope. Just if it's good for the Democrats and their power base.
Amazing.
And stupid.
The only portion of the bill that they are trying to protect from being repealed is the Independent Medicare Advisory Board.
and
It can be repealed with a vote of 3/5ths of the Senate.
Despite the language in the bill preventing future Congresses from changing this legislation, they can't actually control what a future Congress does. One Congress cannot bind a future Congress.
Article I, section 5, clause 2 of the Constitution states that "[e]ach house may determine the Rules of its Proceedings." In 1892, the Supreme Court took a look at this clause in United States v. Ballin, 144 U.S. 1 (1892). In that case, the Supreme Court held that this clause grants each Congress the powers to amend their rules whenever a simple majority of the quorum are present. And this power is continuing, meaning it can be exercised at any time by any Congress: "[The] power to make rules is not one which once exercised is exhausted. It is a continuous power, always subject to be exercised by [either] house."
Therefore, one Congress cannot bind a future Congress or bind itself -- each Congress has the power to change it rules by simple majority vote at any time.
Simple majority? Even better.
LOL,
The arrogance of Harry Reid! There is no such thing as unrepealable legislation. What a dumb fool.
At least 100 million people South of the Border are packing thier bags getting ready for the journey to El Norte and free health care.
mikegino: At least 100 million people South of the Border are packing thier bags getting ready for the journey to El Norte and free health care.
I don't see where Mexico is thinking of free health care! Why not, isn't it THE RIGHT tHING TO DO?
As far as Titus, she is a freshman here and went ahead with that little girl approach, like what to do now?
Everybody knows she is weak, and when she loses in November--SHE IS OUT OF POLITICS, period.
Micheal have you ever had that feeling that There is overwhelming evidence that people whom you have voted for now all of a sudden are voting their positions in a different way than you thought they would. That means when I think they're voting wrong I do not feel that just because I'm a democrat I have to agree with these dip heads. I'm tired with going along with a party just because I done this for 35 years. If my party, with whom I've been faithful for 35 yrs, can't get it together for the good of the people, it's time for me to look for a party I can believe in. Any ideas?
Mexico does have some free health-care at Government assisted or run clinics and hospitals, they also have private for profit hospitals. In fact Healthnet, a US insurance firm was allowing some of their insured to get treatment in Mexico. People like being by their relatives, having lower co-pays or like the cultural aspects of the hospitals in Mexico. A number of Americans go to Mexico for dental work, India for joint replacement, and so on.
Spring break: thousands of Americans pack their bags to go to Mexico for cheap beer and sex as well.
As I said, the dittoheads are not going to vote for Berkley or Titus anyway.
They wouldn't be having the vote if they didn't know it was going to past.
Also, I further predict that the legal challenges will go no where, either at the state of Federal level. Even if a state tries to opt out, by making it illegal to require health insurance, big corporations will not put up with it, because they see this bill streamlining and reducing their medical costs on a National basis.
How many states have a 18 year old drinking age? Not many, if any, because they wanted Federal Highway money. So the nut-bars like the radio-ranter that runs a legal think tank is out of luck and even he knows it.
Sorry Hannitized Dittoheads and Beckbrains...you looooooooooooozzzzzzzzzzzzzze!
"I envision my monthly premiums rising for the rest of my life and taxes eventually rising to the 67% that they pay in Denmark."
Whaaaaat?
The Democrats have staked their political lives and promised and sworn on their children lives that.....
This will not add to the deficit.
All premiums will go down.
The cost curve will bend down.
That Medicare care will not be touch.
That government will not harm health care quality.
They PROMISED!!!!!!!!!
They will stand behind all their golden predictions.
If premiums go up or cost go up or if it addes to deficits or if doctors leave Medicare then they are full of BS.
mred (whose name I assume affirms his love of Communism) says:
"big corporations will not put up with it, because they see this bill streamlining and reducing their medical costs on a National basis."
Have you ever heard of Caterpillar?
Caterpillar urged lawmakers to vote against the plan "because of the substantial cost burdens it would place on our shareholders, employees and retirees."
They estimate this bill will cost them $100 million in the first year.
Helthcare will cost Caterpiller $100 million the first year, $200 million the second year, $400 million the third year and in the fourth year they will announce they are moving the entire operation of the company to Mexico.
Probably not before they cut all of those excellent benefits they currently give to their 40,000 retirees. Those are some elderly that wont be better off with Nobamacare.
It looks like it comes down to abortion.
I expect the Dems to forgot about their princples and make a deal with pro-life forces.
There is always a choice. The electorate also has a choice in November. This deal is far from done. The arrogance of the Democrats truly is appalling. They could have come out winners if they had broken this bill into smaller fixes of the system (such as portability, no pre-existing denial, coverage of children etc). Yet, this monstrosity will severely cripple the Democratic party after November (not that the Republican's can lead). Polls are important, especially when they are so skewed against this bill. Goodbye Dina and Harry, that is unless you find other ways to subvert the Constitution.
mikegino: I'm pretty sure Berkley was born in New York and grew up there and then in Las Vegas. WTF are you talking about?
November is the time for the people of the Great State of Nevade to Speak UP !!!!
Vote these bums out of office...... we need people that listen to the people. They seem to tell us what is best for us, rather than listen to what the people want.
You are Our Elected Officials, You take your marching orders from WE The People, not the other way around.
We The People Will Vote You Out Of Office. Time to show these 2 Reps and these 2 US Senators the door. Please escort these 4 people to the unemployment line.
Dina, If you are going to support this fraudulent healthcare bill then the four members if my family will vote to put you out of office. How can you be such a dissapointment. Catepillar announced that this bill will cost them 100 million dollars the first year. Do you not think that those types of cost will not come to the large employers in our state? You think we have problems now, just wait. You should be ashame of yourself!
stgRock bemoans,
"It looks like it comes down to abortion.
I expect the Dems to forgot about their principles and make a deal with pro-life forces."
NO, that's NOT what will happen. The Democrats will reaffirm that the Government doesn't pay for abortions, just as they DO NOT NOW.
What "principles" do these NeoCon RebupNuts have that the Democrats do not? Let's review:
They would allow their friends and neighbors to DIE before giving them access to adequate, available health care.
They would rather see the President FAIL than allow this piece of legislation to pass, because they are well aware it would be a VICTORY for Obama's agenda, and THAT WILL DRIVE THEM CRAZY(ER)!
They would rather have SKY HIGH Insurance Premiums fueling an already out-of-control deficit; and premiums that are CRUSHING our middle-class!
This is so NOT just about the Health Care bill. The Republicans are, in concert with the NutJobs In Media, attempting to win seats in November's election by FEAR-MONGERING with the electorate, and laying the foundation for their vile "I, Me, Mine" campaign.
The big POWER GRAB here is not by the Dem's, but by the RIGHT, who are using the debate on health care to sow a field full of HATRED & IGNORANCE that they will attempt to reap in November's elections.
Have you read about these "principled" NutJobs from TeaParty
Central, "protesting" in D.C.???
Here we have a REAFFIRMATION of stgRock's party and their aforementioned "PRINCIPLES":
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...
"NO, that's NOT what will happen. The Democrats will reaffirm that the Government doesn't pay for abortions, just as they DO NOT NOW."
Sorry Charlie that is exactly what happen.
Obama had to sign an executive order that essentially enforces the stronger House anti-abortion language.
The pro-life Democrats won a major victory over the anti-life Democrats.
Democrats have sold their soul over and over and over again to get his terrible bill passed. It does not have their precious single payer much less public options.
It will raise taxes and cut Medicare.
The Democrats swore up-down and left-right and generated golden predictions that this bill will lower health cost, lower premiums and ensure that Medicare patients can have the same access that they have to doctors now. Also by magic all this expansion of government will not add to the deficits.
If all that does not come true then THAT IS ALL ON THE DEMOCRATS' HEADS.
"Sorry Charlie that is exactly what happen.
Obama had to sign an executive order that essentially enforces the stronger House anti-abortion language.
The pro-life Democrats won a major victory over the anti-life Democrats."
The only place an "anti-life Democrat" exists is in the dark recesses of the minds of shallow thinking, radical, right wing neocons.
And the difference between what I said and what you claim are one and the same, at the end of the day.
Why are these Republicans trying to claim the "moral high-ground"? It's truly remarkable!
What they WANT is IMMORAL. For some reason, they think that's some big secret!
Then why are anti-life Democrats sooooooo upset with Obama's executive order.
OH.....I get it.....they are dummies and not as smart as you.
Shelly looks like she has had lip implants.....
Let them pass it.---In the next election, the dems will get voted out...By the next presidential election, a new rebublican president will be voted in with even more republican sentate and congress voted in with a super majority....And they will repeal this health care bill.
Dina and Shelley are heroes of the American people.
Heller minus er equals his place!
Some Dems will lose this year, that is true. Some Repukes will be repudiated. That is a fact. The pendulum will swing. That is a fact. It is a fact that more people will have coverage when the health care bill passes. It is also a fact that the insurance companies will get very rich. 20 to 30,000 fewer Americans will be killed per year by the big insurance industry than before the bill was passed. Will we be better off - I think so. I wish for a single payer system which would bring down the overall expenditures. Oh, it is a fact that the sun will come up tomorrow and most of us will get to enjoy another day. Grab the gusto and go - and quite spitting on my friends. Thanks!
Heller-- give up your government paid for health care! C'mon Heller. Buy it on the "free market" for you and your family. Go on. [but remember, your wife had children which is a pre-existing condition, so your family pays at the "pre-existing condition rate." You aren't rich like Ensign so maybe you can't afford the $18,000 per person. But you are so sure people have a choice now, why don't YOU use your choice and buy it?
QUIT SPITTING
Revtomperl-
Where do you get your 20-30K number killed by the insurance industry? I agree that the insurance industry will make out like bandits and generally are evil, I do not think government can do anything right (Social security, medicare, medicaid, job stimulus, bailout, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc). For health care to work you need access, quality and cost. In the past prior to Obama, access has been limited, quality generally was good (if you found the right doctor, however everyone no matter what age could get treatment except for experimental treatments), and costs were high.
Under this plan, access will be limited (30-40 million newly covered, not enough health care providers), quality will be restricted ( no new or advanced techniques (too expensive), many procedures will be age restricted (heart surgery, caths, cancer treatment, hip and knee replacement).and the costs will be high or higher (there is no free lunch except in the Obama White House and Congress).
Ironically, more people will die with the new restrictions than with the old. So stay healthy, don't get old, and kiss your grandparents goodbye.
From Americablog:
If health-care reform finally staggers across the finish line, it will be because President Obama and congressional Democrats recognized -- at long last -- the truth that has been staring them in the face for more than a year: They'll be better off politically if they just try their best to do the right thing.
No matter what the Democrats attempt or how they go about it, Republicans are going to complain, obstruct and attack. That's the inescapable lesson from this whole exercise, and it's hard to fathom why it took so long to sink in. The Democrats looked ridiculous, sitting around the campfire and singing "Kumbaya" while the opposition was out in the forest whittling spears and arrows.
You have to admire the GOP's chutzpah. George W. Bush governed like a steamroller as he enacted his radical initiatives -- massive tax cuts, a huge shift in the balance between privacy and security, an unprecedented "big government" takeover of education policy, an expensive and unfunded Medicare prescription drug program.
But the moment the Republicans were out of power, they discovered a moral imperative for the majority party to do everything in a bipartisan fashion.
Stuart & Robert Wyman-Cahall
Las Vegas, NV 89142
If passed, the bill will not stand up to judicial tests. People will be required to purchase health insurance? Get real. I'm pretty sure our Constitution doesn't permit fines and jail time for people who refuse to make a purchase.
"no other choice for Nevada's two House Democrats". Really? How about doing the right thing? That would be another choice, and a better one.
Hey, Larry5, do you have auto insurance?
first off, the federal government does not require one to buy auto insurance.
second, i do not have auto insurance and am NOT required to buy it by the state UNLESS one drives.
that is one cost of CHOOSING to drive...but you have a choice.
way to compare apples and oranges gmag39
People are not required to buy car insurance anywhere in the USA.
In most states and not all, if one chooses to own and operator a car then they are either require to buy insurance or show proof of self-insurance to drive the car on public roads.
Where can I buy Anti-Leftist insurance?
Health Care Myths exposed: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_...
Myth: This legislation is about saving lives.
Congress could save more lives with less money by creating smaller programs that fight high blood pressure, diabetes and other specific ailments.
By expanding health insurance instead, Democrats are implicitly showing that saving lives isn't the primary goal.
Myth: This legislation would stop abusive insurance practices.
The Obama plan would encourage abusive insurance practices. Research by Obama adviser David Cutler shows that the plan's price controls would force insurers who provide quality care for the sick into bankruptcy. Insurers would therefore use countless and covert means to deny care and avoid, mistreat and dump the sick.
Along the way, the legislation would shower private insurance companies with half a trillion dollars in government subsidies.
Myth: The public wants this legislation.
Polls that ask whether respondents like the legislation's supposed benefits (e.g., reduced insurance premiums for the sick) without asking about the corresponding costs (higher premiums for the healthy, insurers denying care to the sick) are meaningless.
The public has consistently expressed its intense opposition to the Obama plan for eight solid months. Democratic pollsters Pat Caddell and Doug Schoen note that "four-fifths of those who oppose the plan strongly oppose it ... while only half of those who support the plan do so strongly." A small, radical, left-wing minority is foisting this legislation on an unwilling public.
Myth: This isn't a government takeover of health care.
This legislation would force all Americans to purchase health insurance coverage. Government would control what kind of insurance you purchase, where you purchase it, how much you pay and what kind of medical care you receive. Our health care sector would be "private" in name only.
Once government controls those decisions, there will be nothing left to socialize. Make no mistake -- this is a vote on socialized medicine.
Gibby......
I didn't recognize you at first. You're wearing black today as many of your right-wing buddies are....
You should be happy but your not! No surprise there...This is a historic day in America. Health Care Reform is on its way to be signed into law by our president...
I do agree with you that the recently passed Health Care Reform bill is a step toward socialized medicine. That's good news! I'm sure you don't agree with that, but I would be very surprised if you did....
All the major industrialized nations in the world have a national health care program. We're finally moving (long over due...) in that direction..... Better late than never!
Thank you President Obama! Thank you Harry Reid & all the Democrats who worked so long & hard to achieve what was accomplished today...
The passage of Health Care Reform has been in the works for over 70 years. The old, old lesson of "never, never give up" is so true today!
Ted Kennedy is smiling from his perch on high. FDR is also very happy and Harry Truman is heard saying, "we did it without the votes of the "do nothing Republicans..."
It's a great day in America. To paraphrase one of your heroes...."It's morning again in America."
Smile my little buddy! This is only a beginning!
This just in... coming across the wire.... Mr. " hoodwinked " Stupak just struck a deal with Chairman Obama. Chairman Obama just offered Mr. Stupak that he would " make sure ' Michigan's unemployment rate would " skyrocket " if the Chairman could have Mr. " hoodwink" ... I mean Mr. Stipak's vote for " Obamacide " ... I mean Obamacare. Other ( respected ? ) congressmen were approached for the same deal. If they would vote for " Obamacide " they could see an increase in their unemployment rate too! As for Nevada's congressional delegation... well, there still trying to figure out how they got to Washington in the first place!
Maybe in November they can have one less thing to think about!
Do you have auto insurance...what a stupid question..
You dont need auto insurance to live...only to drive...NO car NO insurance...You can have a drivers license and own no car...NO need for car insurance...
But if you are alive in the USA now..You need to buy health insurance...YOur auto insurance arguement does not hold water...
Democrats....Job well done.
In my state health insurance doesnt cover you if in an auto accident.You must pay for a rider on car insurance called PIP if you want to be covered.Here unlike some other states,private hospitals are required to to treat everyone who shows up.People who have nothing dont care,So sue them,what can you get?
What a crock this article is - Dina Titus and Shelly Berkley could hardly wait to say Yes. I'm not sure what planet Lisa Mascaro is living on but I received no less than 4 phone calls from Dina Titus supporting the healthcare bill. Obviously Miss Lisa didn't even bother reading the "healthcare" bill or she would know that in actuality healthcare was only about 7% of the entire bill. Lisa M needs to be tossed back into the Obits column and maybe in a few years she can try again to be a real journalist. Until then, I'm not interested in reading her uneducated, ill-informed quasi articles!
"I made up my mind, wanted to do it and I did it proudly," Titus said after the final votes were cast at 11:30 p.m. Washington time. "I do believe we were making history."
Hey Lisa - I guess you're lucky this article didn't run next to yours! Would you like to change your words that Dina Titus waited until the end because she "just couldn't make up her mind"?? You absolutely suck as a journalist and should be fired for your obvious "blondeness".
Cnev
Your view is appreciated and I must say I am torn on the HealthCare Bill.I have family that is Un-insurable and will benifit from it including myself who has for years help my sister with her medical bills and itt has caused a strain on my finances.I am a middle class worker who feels as though The Bill has good intentions for people in a bad position medically.
Now on the other hand I see parts of this bill that is taking us to a new government and life in this free country.
You stated that the United States is one of few countries that doesnt have Universal HealthCare.
For the Federal Government to force a healthcare plan down a persons throat because they are out of work and have no company insurance is to me against everything this country stands for and is.(was).This is the next step towards One World Government by what is in the contents of this particular bill that was passed.IRS is now the hired hit man to force and keep tabs on who is insured and who is not.These are things that the opponets of the bill were fighting to keep out and from being passed into law.
I am originally from Tennessee where they had pressed a healthcare plan called Tenncare.This plan failed miserably and put Tenn.on the verge of bankruptcy until the feds bailed it out.
From one minute to the next you never new which provider you had and you were constantly having to fill out forms when the state decided to change your provider.It was a complete fiasco and went down like an atomic bomb within a few years.If you were on the plan your healthcare services were subpar and the doctors your care was under rushed you in and out,never fully finding out the root of your problem.State of mass the samething It doesnt work and it is unfortunate that there is so much included in the bill that we do not even know about Once all the legislation in the bill is exposed,Trust me 90% of those in favor,will be opposed and will hopefully learn their leasson.
This bill is to big for the average citizen to fully understand,evn those who put the bill together dont fully understand the bill themselves and cant expain it in terms the public can understand
This country was founded and built to get away from the same crap in England.In the 1600's pilgrams set sail to a new world and came to what is now The United States of America to escape forced taxation and the socialist rule in England and Europe.
Now 300 years later this Country has began to impose laws that this country was founded to get away from.
Our ancessters fought in the revolutionary war died to protect us from socialism and defeted the English.Now we have voted for people to impose the same type government we fought against.I no the subject is different but the priciple is the same.I am proud to be an American but appauled with my government leadership.
It is time to stand up against parties and time to vote out any politician who voted yesterday againstour freedom
El Lobo,
"Ted Kennedy is smiling from his perch on high"
Really??!!!
Last I heard murderers don't perch in the afterlife.
Like everything else the democrates have done to turn Our Great Country into a third world nation this bill is just speeding up the change.
To Lastthroes. The dems created SSI and they were also the ones that passed the bill that allowed it to be sucked dry.
The American people can vote all of these bums out of Congress and the Senate. And the self appointed King of the America will be the final vote out of office. A job he spent so much for to get and one that he has never deserved. He is the great Hope of Socialism. If that does not work then get thier attention dont pay anymore taxes.
henderson,
By murders you mean folks like Bush and Cheney?
If Bush and Cheney left Mary Jo Kopechne at the bottom of Poucha Pond in their overturned vehicle, then failed to report the incident to the authorities until the the next day when the car and Kopechne's body were discovered......then absolutely!
henderson,
you're letting emotion get in the way of fact. That's not murder, look up the definition.
You're right, let's not split hairs. Let's just say he killed a girl, caused her death, left her to die alone at the bottom of a river that he drove her into. And maybe he didn't mean to leave her there....maybe he just forgot to go get help!
Either way I doubt he is 'perching' anywhere.
"Our ancessters fought in the revolutionary war died to protect us from socialism"
Oh come on, are you serious? Socialism?
What history book did you get that little tidbit?
I agree with some of the goals the dems have, but still I would like to know how this contains costs. Last time one of my family was in the hospital, the bill listed things like $12.00 aspirin and so on. Even if everyone has insurance, the continuing spiral of costs will eventually collapse the system. As the costs go up, the amount insurance companies pay goes up and premiums go up. What in this bill controls that?
Rodtig- Its people like you who make me think this bill is not so bad. I mean if someone bases their position on completely delusional postings like your maybe its not a bad idea.
"pilgrams set sail to a new world and came to what is now The United States of America to escape forced taxation and the socialist rule in England and Europe." Did you even go to school? Try reading a book sometime.
"revolutionary war died to protect us from socialism and defeted the English"- It was a Monarchy duhhhhhh and with the help of the evil "socialist" French we did defeat them.
You know silly rambling doesnt help you cause. Make a relevant relationship, not calling a monarchy "socialism" just because Hannity calls everyone a socialist.