Published Wednesday, March 10, 2010 | 1:55 p.m.
Updated Wednesday, March 10, 2010 | 7:02 p.m.
Sun Coverage
- Las Vegas mayor: Salary cuts needed to save 171 city jobs (3-4-2010)
- Goodman: City could save 171 jobs if unions agree to pay cut (2-25-2010)
- Las Vegas Mayor: No agreement yet on city employee contracts (1-28-2010)
- Las Vegas mayor calls on city employee unions to reopen contracts (1-7-2010)
- Las Vegas City Council OKs 8 percent salary, benefits cut (1-6-2010)
- Mayor: Morale not good among LV city employees (11-19-2010)
- Las Vegas to lay off 19 city employees as part of budget cuts (11-18-2009)
- Las Vegas officials seek public input on budget cuts (11-6-2009)
After a sometimes emotional hearing that stretched nearly four hours today, the Las Vegas City Council tentatively approved a budget for next year that will cause 146 employees to lose their jobs in June, largely to fill a $70 million revenue shortfall.
The council will give its final approval to the budget in the middle of May.
But in the interim, it will look at other alternatives designed to forestall employee layoffs, including a somewhat drastic one rolled in at the last minute by Mayor Oscar Goodman.
Goodman asked the City Attorney Brad Jerbic to look into the legal possibility of terminating all city employees, then asking each of them, as a condition of being rehired, to accept getting paid for a shorter work week to save the city enough money to prevent any layoffs.
"If we're permitted to do that legally, I'm ready to take the risk of political capital because I believe it's the right thing to do," Goodman said. "If people can't agree to do the right thing among themselves, then we can force them to do the right thing among themselves. If they want to continue working for the city, they would have to agree to those terms."
The mayor's proposal — which was called a bullying tactic by several union representaties at the hearing — came following city bargaining units being cold to the city's proposal of reducing their salaries by 8 percent for each of the next two years and also freezing any step longevity increases or cost-of-living adjustments.
Goodman said he also believed that public safety employees could not be subject to such termination. As a result of that, he asked Fretwell to hire an outside consultant under a competitive process, "so no one can think we're fixing the result," to evaluate the city's public safety departments, in particular, Fire & Rescue, to find out whether or not there are areas concerning emergency transport (EMS) that could be privatized.
He asked for the consultant to be hired in July and provide results in December.
The council also asked the city staff to look into several other changes in the budget, among them restoring funds to the Reed Whipple Cultural Center, which provides theater and music programs for the city's youth. They would also explore the possibility of getting public donations to keep it open.
Besides the layoffs, the council is taking care of the $70 million shortfall with using $38 million in reserves and raising fees designed to generate about $5 million.
One is a fee to display news racks around the city. Another fee would raise about $525,000 by billing homeowners for "services and supplies" from Fire & Rescue visits, which could be billed to their home insurance.
The council also decided to step up collection efforts for those owing fees to Municipal Court, which could raise $600,000 and revise Municipal Court processing fees, which could raise $950,000.
But the main issue was the layoffs.
Mayor: 'I'm sorely disappointed'
City Manager Betsy Fretwell and Mark Vincent, the city's director of finance and business services, gave a detailed account of the number of employees who would be cut from each department, with an assessment of the effects on services.
In an earlier version of the budget, they had looked at cutting 215 position, which would have affected 261 employees, with 171 workers losing their jobs and the rest getting bumped to lesser jobs. But in the budget Fretwell presented today that was tentatively approved by the council, there were 190.92 positions eliminated, affecting 230 employees, including 146 who will lose their jobs in mid-June.
After their presentation, Goodman said council members have "agonized" over the loss of revenue, but thought they had a solution in that department heads could cut 12 percent. But in order to save employees from being fired, that they keep their salaries flat and agree to an 8 percent salary cut.
That would have allowed all the employees to keep their jobs and allowed the city to continue to providing all the existing city services, he said.
"We haven't received a meaningful response to the 8 percent request and keeping the salary and compensation flat," Goodman said. "And I'm sorely disappointed. . . I believe that this is a fraternity. This is a brotherhood of city workers who pride themselves in serving our constituency. And I believe that, in my heart of hearts, that the employees would have stepped up and done the right thing in order to preserve the jobs of their colleagues. That's not the case."
Goodman said cities throughout the U.S. are facing similar problems with massive layoffs, including thousands of people in Los Angeles and New York City.
"I'm going to ask Mr. Jerbic, our city attorney, to explore a solution which will result in keeping all of the city employees employed and all of the services intact," Goodman said. "I don't know whether it can work. I know in San Francisco something similar to this is being tried. I don't know whether it's constitutional or it may violate the contract clause of the U.S. Constitution. ... If the city council were to direct the city manager to send termination notices to each and every member of the city staff, terminating them immediately, with a 60-day notification, and then, following that up with a letter agreeing to rehire them, if, in fact, they would agree to a reduction of hours to be worked per week."
He said reducing hours from 40 to 37.5 hours a week would be a 6.25 percent savings and a 36-hour work week would be a 10 percent savings "that would meet our objective and keep everybody working and it would allow us to provide all of the services."
Goodman thanked employees who had tried to meet that objective of agreeing to the 8 percent cut.
"To those who haven't done that, it has to be laying very heavily on your conscience that you're causing one of your colleagues to be terminated," he said. "To those collective bargaining agents who haven't even responded, or who refuse to talk to us, I hope that what I'm going to be suggesting is going to be constitutional because that's the only way that we're going to get people to budge in the right direction."
Union rep calls mayor 'a bully'
After the vote approving the layoffs, city employee union leaders who were at the meeting took issue with the mayor for saying they hadn't presented the city with any meaningful offers.
Dean Fletcher, president of Las Vegas Firefighters Local 1285, said the firefighters, who are now in negotiations with the city, has offered the city a zero-cost contract for the next year that would provide a cost saving of about $1 million to $2 million. Fletcher said the mayor's proposal to privatize EMS transport services wasn't even on the table.
"You will lose the money we're bringing back in to you in EMS transports," Fletcher said. He said the fire department's spending would come in $6 million under budgeted costs this year. EMS transports would bring in $4.5 million to the general fund budget, a 100 percent increase, he said.
"Your move today was nothing more than a bully move," Fletcher said. "I don't want to fight with you. But that motion put in by you was off the wall. And I think it was a bully tactic in our negotiations."
Chris Collins, executive director of the Las Vegas Police Protective Association, which represents deputy city marshals and the municipal court marshals, told Goodman "I think you are being a bully."
Although Goodman had said there were no meaningful offers made, Collins said he's had many meetings with marshals, whose emotions have ranged from anger to tears on how to save their jobs. Collins said they did make an offer a week ago, but the city deemed it not meaningful. However, he said, it would have save $450,000, which would save the jobs of four marshals.
"I take great disrespect with your comments on behalf of the marshals," Collins said. He said if they had to agree with an 8 percent cut, then there were no real negotiations on the city's part: "It was simply our way or the highway. And today proves that to us that we have spent months and many, many hours in meetings, to no avail."
He said the city's offer was for an 8 percent cut for two years, plus a freeze in all future increases, would be a 28 percent cut for the marshals, taking an average salary from $70,500 to $58,000.
"They can't live on $58,000," he said. "... It puts them in bankruptcy and foreclosure."
Tracey Valenzuela, president of the Las Vegas Peace Officers Association, which represents the corrections officers for the city, said her union has been willing to work with the city. She said they are still the lowest paid law enforcement agency in the valley. Valenzuela said they have agreed to a 1 percent salary cut and other benefit cuts, such as a reduction in medical contribution and have offered to give up a uniform allowance. She said they had also agreed to reduce overtime by $1.5 million.
Don King, president of the Las Vegas City Employees Association, also called the mayor "a bully" for making the proposal.
"I think your directions to Brad Jerbic attacks the collective bargaining process," King said.
King told Councilman Steve Wolfson that CEA members were currently being surveyed as to whether they would accept an 8 percent cut for this year.
However, King said the 8 percent cut would be much more than that for some employees because the city's proposal would eliminate a cost of living and step increases — and another 8 percent cut would be coming the following year.
Other recommendations the council adopted today as part of the budget included :
-- Establishing a Warrant Service Program pilot study, estimated to raise $500,000. That program would involve six deputy city marshals, two senior office specialists and two public safety technicians, who would be used to identify and serve warrants in about 33,000 outstanding cases during the late afternoon and evening. The total cost would be $1.2 million, but it would generate $1.7 million.
-- Creating a proposal to consolidate the Deputy City Marshal Unit and the Municipal Court marshals.
-- Eliminating the Xtreme Sports program, saving $190,000.






Tough times call for tough action and unpopular decisions. I commend the Mayor for standing up to the unions. I hate see anyone lose their job but it's inevitable sometimes. The City of San Francisco is in the process of terminating 15k employees under a program similar to that which Goodman has asked the City Attorney to look into. It could happen in LV too.
As much as I think some of the unions are overpaid, what is the point of having a union or bargaining agreement if the government can just do an end run around it whenever they feel the need?
It might be necessary and even appropriate now, but I would be wary of it being used in the future. Its a door I'd rather not open. Imagine LVMPD doing this to police officers and if 30% didn't come back - there wouldn't be enough officers (or we'd be paying way more in overtime costs, defeating the purpose of the exercise).
Contract out as much work as possible. Let people bid on performing city functions. Include the fire department. I cannot believe someone cannot hire firemen for $80,000 a year instead of $100,000 or $200,000 a year to protect the city.
Remember, they work 10 shifts a month and with vacation and overused sick leave they only work 100 shift a month. Are they really worth $1000 a shift or more?
Seriously? Fire Dept doesn't have anything to do with this. Know your facts before you start believing all the hype. As for the 100,000 claims-that is not their base pay. They HAVE to work overtime since they are understaffed. I know, I know, there are the firefighter haters out there and all you want to say is your normal blah blah blah hating on firefighters comments.
They are the ONLY union with the city undergoing negotiations right now and they PLANNED that when they negotiated the contract last year. They KNEW that things might change and would agree to open up their contract within a year.
Is 146 people a lot, please....ask the thousands of people that work in casino, construction, real estate, etc. that have lost there jobs. The fire department is out of control with there ridiculous overtime sceme, and yes, it's another way of flipping their finger to the tax paying citizens of this county.
So does the city have the money to fend off a lawsuit if they go with the cockamamie plan Hizzonor Da Boss Mayor presented?
I mean, the unions in San Francisco are threatening to take the city to court over the plan. And based on the holding United States Trust Co. v. New Jersey (1977) (which blocked an attempt by New Jersey to modify its obligations to a contract entered into with bondholders), I think they'll win.
Unions...........
After one thing, All about me ! We wonder why the union movement is failing ....
It is about the team/group , any team / group is only as strong as the weakest link.
Hey - State workers have 8 hours furlough, no step increases, etc. Come City and County Union people - do the same either wise this will never end!
They make way too much money for what they do.
The current conservative majority on the USSC has been making decent pro-taxpayer, pro-voter, pro-citizen decisions lately. Dilute the public employee unions down to zero and bargain one-on-one with the membership after they're gone.
If they laid off 1046 people I bet very few taxpayers would miss them. The only important thing is trash pickup and that is privately done.
Pierre:
"Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." - Euripides.
Not really in the mood to talk more sense to someone who seems to go with the convenient pre-fab talking point.
I wonder how Oscar would feel if his crapper suddenly didn't flush, streetlights stopped working and no one came when he dialed 911.
He's an idiot.
Hooray!!!!
I see both sides of this, I really do. I support most unions, but really, why would a government position require a Union? The Military doesn't get to sue- why should a file clerk?
I wonder if Hizzoner has been lurking, on this very site? It's almost as if he'd been reading...
How many times did we see the taxpayers (us) saying 'Fire them all, and replace them with people who will happily work for less'???
On the news, it was showing the Firefighter's Union guy, practically frothing at the mouth! (The other Union reps had to wait their turn.)
This is one of Oscar's better days, as Mayor!
I'm getting closer to that Janitor's position every day!!!
Butt-loads of cash for all Nevadans! Vote Vixen!
How many employees does the city of LV have?
I'm starting to like Mr. Goodman more and more every day.
I think that fire departments should establish a substitute list of qualified fire fighters who can come in, much like a substitute teacher, and fill in for the vacationing or sick fire fighter. This would eliminate OT and provide temporary work for the unemployeed fire fighters out there. We wouldn't pay for pensions or health insurance -- they would be covered under workman's comp in case they were injured on the job. It would also provide a pool of fire fighters to hire from when a full-time position opens. Something tells me that the union would be opposed to this.
Awesome idea Oscar! The firefighters should be ashamed. I hope Oscar finds a way to make this happen...a very smart man!
Im all for it, fire the unions ... take them to court they represent no one, just wanting the dues that they get to live on. County better be taking notes and do the same. Everyone that has a bargaining agreement but take the blinders off and realize what shape this state is in.
You know what I SEE? with no union I see people working for lower wages, (but its a job) and more people getting off the unemployment.
My hats of to Mr. Mayor....
mrclean99; According to this report from March of 2009, the Las Vegas City Employees Association had 1600 members. Of course that is only one of many unions the City contracts with, but according to this article it is the largest.
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story....
I'm new to this, but I have a pertinent question: If the fire department is, as they say, understaffed, then why aren't they hiring more personnel? With the published unemployment rate hovering near 14% there should be an over-abundance of candidates, some of them qualified, for the positions that need to be filled. Methinks that the existing fire department personnel may be loath to relinquish the overtime hours they have enjoyed thus far...
The reason the firemen are paid so much overtime is that the city is trying to "save" money and doesn't have enough firemen. So, they pay even more in overtime to get the same number of extra hours. Penny-wise and pound-foolish. Just like hiring "consultants" at twice the pay as a public employee to "lower" the headcount. There is a difference between a few hours of overtime, and double the usual hours. That implies undestaffing!
Bajos-
Ask city Management why they don't hire more staff. The fire department DOES NOT want to be understaffed. You can believe what you want, but the city's position has been that it is cheaper to pay overtime and not hire the personnel they need.
How sad.
And some of you are cheering.
You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
Ish, ish, ish.
Oscar Goodman, King of Las Vegas.
Let them eat cake!
To the great citizens of Las Vegas,
Your civil servants has been asked to take a drink of "Brandy". And, I would like to define "Brandy" by the definition given by Ambrose Bierce in his book titled "The Devil's Dictionary".
Brandy, n. A cordial composed of one part thunder-and lighting, one part remorse, two parts bloody murder, one part death-hell-and the grave and four parts clarified Satan. Dose, a headful all the time. Brandy is said by Dr. Johnson to be the drink of heroes. Only a hero will venture to drink it.
Therefore, like our soldiers (heroes) who are sent off to war, mind you the choice is not of their own; so we are willing to make "Heroes" of our civil servants.
Gmag:
I cheered, Oscar's statements, and here's why;
Firing those City employees who were not willing to make any sort of agreement that involved a cap/loss in pay, the loss of a few perks, and/or a change in hours would offer them a peek into the real world.
Yes, they can be replaced. Yes, they ARE being unreasonable, and since they aren't worried about the budgeting issues, a lesson in reality may be called for.
He didn't ask for anyone to give up/lose their jobs, straight off the mark. He was basically saying that there was enough bread for everyone to have a slice- but NOT if they all insisted on having a sandwich.
With a large number of Las Vegans who are hungry enough to actually be GRATEFUL for one slice of that bread- you want he should sit there and do nothing?
Besides, he's talking about firing them on paper. Those who are willing to accept the single slice, will be re-hired right away. The others will be replaced- probably by the people lined up around the block for a shot at a job.
This is precious. The Union leaders calling the Mayor a bully. The firefighters should be fired. I would hope that the ones below about $120K would be protected and the ones making $120K to $452K would take 20% to 50% cuts in their pay.
Yeah, yeah, who you gonna call for help. The guys making less than $120K will be at my door anyway, not the fat cats with the huge salaries.
Think and say what you believe. Let's just wait and see what happens.
So lets get this straight.People pick a career,they work for the City,State etc.. The reason they pick such a job is not huge amounts of cash but for the security and benefits.A career that any of you posters probably could have tried. Then when times get bad,people start getting a huge amount of pleasure about 146 people getting laid off. They don't give a damn about the hardships these people and their families are going to endure. It's venting their little protest against the system. Not against the leaders of the system who has helped bring the economy to it's knees and are ruining lives in Las Vegas.No that would be dangerous. It's easier to rally against the ordinary slobs trying to make their way through life like every one else.I am so,so glad I have no religion and have never been to Church. I could not stand the thought of the hypocrites I would be standing next to.Jealousy is a terrible human trait.
Oscar is bluffing and all this is just for show.
BillyKydd:
"Then when times get bad,people start getting a huge amount of pleasure about 146 people getting laid off. They don't give a damn about the hardships these people and their families are going to endure."
You make it out to be a simple case of schadenfreude. It's not pleasure I'm feeling- it's justice. These 146 positions could be filled, at a lower cost to the public, with 146 OTHER Nevadans...or perhaps 200 could be hired, with the savings.
Some of us realize that a part-time job, or a job at even half-wages- is better than NO job. Apparently this simple math, is not part of the City of Las Vegas' pre-employment testing.
What about the hardships their refusal to accept a deal, would cause other families to endure?
They were given MUCH more painless options, before the Mayor went to this. They felt they were untouchable, and instead, they're getting spanked.
gmag39
Hi Hip Hooray for Oscar Goodman, gmag39 pretty obvious your some sort of public servant, and I use that turn loosely. Oscar is the greatest and deserves the public's support on this. By public I mean taxpayers. Give um hell Oscar !
Granted we are in tough times but really, fire everyone and hire them back? Where does it stop? Why doesn't the MGM fire everyone and hire them back at a cheaper rate?
We are in this mess because of poor decision making by those who lead. It wasn't the $50,000 a year city worker who put us in this budget issue.
Maybe the new city hall will get us out of this mess because they now can fill it full of part-time, minimum wage employees.
What's next? Will Uncle Oscar send cousin Guido to break some knee caps? I say fire them, pay them all their sick leave and vacation time. Then they can go on unemployment, stop making mortgage payments, seek forclosure assistance from the feds and get bailed out. Or maybe just walk away from the dismal housing market here and start up again somewhere else. Great plan Oscar, great plan.........
NW_Dweller:
"Why doesn't the MGM fire everyone and hire them back at a cheaper rate?"
Because they aren't ALL Union, AND because it's not a choice of firing people, or keeping the lights on.
Besides, every Casino I've heard about, the employees willingly take a small hit- to avoid a bigger one.
Do you all remember around 1982 when Continental Airlines had gone Bankrupt? A very nice rich man named Carl Newman bought the Airline for pennies on the dollar. He told all the union employees that they where all fired"" and at the same time he ripped up there contracts and said this is now a non union shop. If you would like to reapply applications' are at the end of the table.
He said that to pilots
He said that to flight attendants
He said that to flight mechanics
He said that to all union employees
He had taken all there retirement cash
Ran the airline non union for one year and then sold it.
This to could happen to you give a little and save your jobs, it is easier to find a job when you have one then when you don't.
By the way I was flight mechanic never worked in that position again"
Mayor Oscar Goodman I like your idea, you want to keep your people and I hope you can.
VegasVixen,Shadenfreude is not an every day word and it's usage although correct is a bit pompous isn't it? What I am trying to say is hardly any posters (Yourself included) are not attacking the people who caused the problems.In fact you agree with them.I don't see the Mayor cutting down on his life style. I don't see the Mayor creating more revenue for Vegas other than cut backs.I could see so many ways of increasing City cash just by introducing quality of life laws and enforcing them.Truth is Like most Companies.These geniuses had it good for so long they have forgotten how to turn a coin during the bad times.
trim that fat.
if you're job CAN be eliminated...it SHOULD be eliminated.
that's how business works. that's how government should work.
BillyKydd:
Yes, we need to increase our revenue as well. (I sorta thought it goes without saying- so I didn't say it!)
I do believe I read something about the Mayor taking either a pay cut, or refusing a raise...something to that effect. (If I remember where I saw it, I'll post a link.) Besides, his personal lifestyle has mostly been funded by his previous job, as a lawyer. I think he's still under contract with Bombay gin, as well. That DID bring revenue in for the city.
VegasVixen sez;
"Some of us realize that a part-time job, or a job at even half-wages- is better than NO job. Apparently this simple math, is not part of the City of Las Vegas' pre-employment testing."
Biggest load of crap I've read on these pages in a long, long, long time. I think the Vixen is a plant. If not, the Vixen is young and foolish and will find out what karma means at some point in the near future.
Hate to agree with stgrock, but he's right, Oscar is bluffing.
FIRE OSCAR GOODMAN.
mrss, here's a novel idea - HIRE MORE FIREFIGHTERS.... maybe then they city would spend so much money paying OT PLUS and here's the big one - there's a whole bunch of people out of work right now - surely there MUST be some qualified potential firefighters amongst them. There is NO excuse for the city to paying such ridiculous amounts of OT when way too many people are out there daily trying to find a job! But just think how that would cut into your extravagant lifestyle is your husband had to work for only his BASE pay.....
Here's the logic that slays me;
"I could do that job for half the money and NO benefits!"
Sure you could. You don't because you LOVE being unemployed, you are "overqualified" and public employment is beneath you.
That's what Nevada needs. Burger Flippin', gap-toothed grinnin', high school dropouts doing the people's business.
And y'all wonder why Nevada is at the bottom of every conceivable list of quality on life issues.
der der der der...
"They can't live on $58,000," he said. "... It puts them in bankruptcy and foreclosure
WTH, I know I could, seems to me they been living beyond their means.... Consolidate, consolidate, consolidate. Mr. Mayor, screw them they are just a bunch of greedy idiots who can not take thier blinders off just for a moment and look beyond and see what shape this country is in.
If this plan does go forth, those that did not accept... then they cant get unemployment. because
refused a job
was not fired
hum
This reminds me of an old saying by Adam Smith, Jr: the only good union is a dead union.
So Ms Vixen if raising revenue goes without saying.Why are you not attacking the people in charge for not doing their jobs.Rather than jollying it up on employees losing theirs?
Almost all of those losing their jobs are NOT firefighters. Firefighters did NOT take cuts when the other folks (including those getting laid off) accepted the last round of cuts. The City is taking all of the cuts from the same place... the guys working on the roads, the ones who make sure your sewer works and the regular workers who serve you every day. Why doesn't the Sun report that news? Why doesn't the Sun report on the cuts offered by the unions that would save all of the jobs? Hmmm... Why does the Sun make Oscar look so clean? He's rich! Cut salaries, cut jobs, and more people are in foreclosure, moving out of town... how does that help Las Vegas? Has anyone really thought this through?
I can't believe there are this many people who hate the fire dept. Like people have said before they are making most of their money from overtime from being under staffed. I saw another comment about how they only work 10 days a month which is true but in that 10 days they work 240hrs which is 80hrs more a month than somebody working a 40hr work wk and this isn't including extra overtime. Firefighters and police officers work long hrs away from their families to make sure all of you making negative comments are safe! And, as for everyone wanting a bunch of layoffs in the fire dept if it happens I hope your house doesn't catch on fire or one of your loved ones gets seriously injured. There might not be anybody there to help you.