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Friday, March 5, 2010 | 12:09 p.m.
The nation's largest Muslim advocacy organization has filed a complaint with Henderson police, saying seven Muslim men from southern California were detained and told they were acting suspiciously while praying in a shopping center parking lot.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations said Friday it filed the complaint this week against the Henderson Police Department because it did not understand what was suspicious about the men.
"Our main concern is the police department looking at praying and the way they looked as probable cause for investigating those men," said CAIR spokeswoman Munira Syeda. "They did nothing illegal."
Henderson police spokesman Todd Rasmussen said the complaint was received and internal affairs would investigate, but he declined comment on the incident.
Rasmussen said the department would inform the group of the outcome of its complaint, but said it did not have a timeline for an investigation.
The group says the men, whom it identified as being of various ethnic backgrounds including Middle Eastern and south Asian, were performing one of five required Muslim daily prayers in the lot while stopped to buy gas and food Dec. 20 during a roadtrip.
As they returned to their car, they were stopped by three officers and kept for about 40 minutes while three officers checked their backgrounds and searched their car, Syeda said.
Syeda said the men were not blocking traffic or preventing other cars from parking.
A CAIR attorney said in a statement that the group was seeking discipline against the officers involved, changes to officer training and compensation for the emotional distress of the men.
"The scope and length of the stop was not reasonable under the circumstances, nor did it serve any legitimate investigative purpose," CAIR lawyer Ameena Qazi wrote in a letter to Henderson police.
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Who cares. Muslims have proved time and time again they are no friend of the United States. They are a terrorist organization and cannot be trusted.
I believe dropping down to pray in the parking lot of a shopping mall, a sports stadium, hotel lobby, etc. .... all qualifies as suspicious in my book.
I suppose we can expect a visit from Al Sharpton
I agree, dropping down to pray in a parking lot is BIZARRE, and given the past actions of the Muslim terrorists, the Henderson police department did exactly what they needed to do. If you dont think so then move to Iran.
I applaud Henderson Police for watching out for the public. With all that has happened with extreme Muslims, we all have to be on the lookout for some of these people. There's nothing wrong with what they did.
There was no harassment, no physical altercations, and they were only detained for 40 mins. If they had time to pray, they had time to get a background check.
Wearing pallazo pants, Sinbad pointed-toed shoes, sporting a Bin laden beard, and pointing to the East whilst shouting Arabic chants of Abra Kadabra in an Albertson's shopping center in Henderson, NV, USA, is highly suspicious.
Thank you Henderson police, for doing your job well. It is reasonable to question any large group loitering in a parking lot, particularly if those loitering are engaging in the rituals associated with a death cult.
It's amazing that the persons who have posted comments about muslims must have forgotten what the Bill of Rights (that's the first ten amendments to the US constitution, for those who forgot middle school government in here) guarantees.
Freedom of Religion
The right to bear arms
Protections against unreasonable search and seizure
Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination
Trial by Jury, rights of the accused, right to legal counsel
excessive bail or cruel and unusual punishment
The above rights apply to everyone in the US (by the use of the word 'person' in the constitution, and not 'citizen' or 'lawful resident').
I guess the posters in here forgot a simple quote from Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson (signers of the constitution):
people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.
Geez.
You guys ought to move to Texas
Good job police
ninjaman most of these posts support our Henderson police for doing a GREAT job. Muslims have proved time and again to be extreme. Watch the news. And by the way go to the Smithsonian and read some of what Ben Franklin wrote and you will find that he wasn't referring to any middle eastern wacko. GO HENDERSON POLICE!!!!!!!!!
"unreasonable search" ?
I say searching a group of men that have a known belief system that demands they kill every one who won't join them in their barbaric religion that are dropped down to the ground shouting Islamic chants in a parking lot is a VERY reasonable search!
If the police had ignored the situation after a complaint came in and something had happened- the outcry would have been heard across the world. In this day and time, if would be difficult not to profile, knowing this, why would this group bring attention to themselves unless it is to create an incident to cry prejudice. All of us need to use good sense! Christians and Muslims alike. Yes, we are it is our first amendment but yet, the Christians are continually losing their rights to pray!
It may be their first amendment right, but who would argue that this is not suspicious behavior?
The police did the right thing.
I remember the time when the HPD officer shot the wife of the ice cream truck driver. The city of Henderson settled a lawsuit for 700,000 dollars when the officer who shot the wife was implicated in a inappropriate relation with a minor (which was probably the reason why the case was settled).
If you want to see a country with an oppressive government, try North Korea (they just executed a person for reporting news OUT of North Korea), they don't have a Bill of Rights as part of their constitution).
Sitting in a car is not illegal either. However when there is a male sitting in a car for 3 hours across from a school playground taking pictures... while none of those things are illegal, they are suspicious. Make contact and investigate if nothing is illegal they go on their way. I rather be stopped and checked and inconvenienced that to have something bad happen and be told that it wasnt investigated because it might offend
Sorry ninjaman, but the bill of rights and the constitution do not apply to everyone in the US. The word "person" or "people" refer to US nationals and citizens. Most of those rights are inferred upon resident aliens and legal visitors, but illegal aliens/immigrants have no rights.
GREAT JOB TO THE HENDERSON POLICE DEPARTMENT!
If these guys were using this 'praying' as a prelude to maybe blowing something up and it was known the cops were there and didn't do anything then you'd be on them for not checking them out.
Walk around this country wearing a rag or stopping to face the sun in the middle of public to pray will get you stares and remarks you may not like. Yea, I know 9/11 happened almost 9 years ago but it's still fresh in people's minds and your muslim radicals brewing up batches of terrorists plots keeps it fresh in the American minds.
Isn't CAIR the same organization with all of the ties to Hamas? The same one that admits that some of its leadership committed terrorist acts against the USA while members/leaders of CAIR? The same one that the FBI cuts ties with in 2009 due to the organizations links to funding Hamas? To those that cry foul regarding the stop and are quoting the bill of rights (and you are correct that we shouldn't abbrogate those rights)...they weren't arrested. They were detained for 40 minutes because they were conducting themselves in a manner that was odd. State law allows a 'Terry Stop' for 60 minutes. The police are paid to be suspicious.
Ninjaman, thank you for bringing a breath of sanity to this commentary.
Praying in public AND dressed funny? They were definitely up to no good! Guess that's why we don't see as many of those Hare Krishnas around anymore, bigotry and paranoia run rampant.
And who says we need diversity training?
Detained 40 minutes for praying? Disgusting.
icy1007,
If your contention is that the constitution doesn't apply to everyone within the confines of the United States, I would suggest you look at the USSC decision in 1982 (Plyler vs Texas) in which the court ruled 5-4 that the children of illegal immigrants who were brought into this country are entitled to a public education under the 14th amendment.
Also, take a look at the Ark decision in the late 1800's (this is the ruling which makes every kid born here, except those born to diplomats or their staff US citizens).
While I disagree with both of the above rulings, as a citizen, I have to abide by them (I don't like a lot of things happening in the United States these days), but give that the masses are being constantly dumbed down by our public education system, it's no wonder that many people have forgotten that THEY are the government, that rights are like muscles, you fail to exercise them, you'll lose them, before you even know that they are gone.
Remember Germany in World War II, imagine what the world would be like if they had won the war, instead of the allies...
Scary indeed.
edgewise :
These unfortunately are the times we are living in..
Members of the Henderson Police reacted with bias?...huh, who knew?...would seem to be normal behavior from our infamous men-in-blue...guess my property taxes will go up again or I will be ticketed for 42 mph in a 40 mph zone again to pay for another one of their mistakes...hate to paint with a broad brush, but they are mostly underqualified, undertrained and over zealous...bad combination...not surprising they would make a bad decision...
With the recent activity of Muslim Terrorists inside the United States I believe that the Henderson Police were simply doing their job, which is TO PROTECT and serve.
It was simply by the grace of god that the "Underwear Bomber " was not able to detonate his bomb. The Fort Hood Massacre, the guy from Colorado that went to NYC and planned to blow up sites there.
I, if I were a policeman, would find praying in a Mall parking lot a suspicious act. After all don't the terrorists pray to Allah just before they commit their terrorists acts? And, there are thoughts that a Mall could be a future target for muslim extremeists. It's not a matter of bigotry, profiling or racism. it's a matter of protecting the public and preventing a disaster from happening.
I say GREAT JOB Henderson Police, keep up the good work.
I bet all the posters who are calling all muslims terrorist are probably all tea-party followers, who scream about going back to the consitution and the what the founding fathers stood for..........all except the FREEDOM OF RELIGION part.
There must be a little know teanutz consitution asterisk added to that part of the constitution that means freedom for christians only, all other remain under suspicion.
Teanutz, showing their stupidity at every turn!
why do i get the feeling all the bigots got new usernames so they could post more freely?
Stopping them and asking what was up is completely different from detaining them for 40 minutes. It doesn't take 40 minutes to run your ID's. If you relate all muslims to the extremism practiced by few, you are indeed a bigot and should definitely go and see the world and expand your own.
But it's ok for people to pray at restaurants or for Christian groups to pray EVERYWHERE. First few comments, how do type with your KKK hoods on?
Racist scum. Religious elitists.
The police acted correctly and professionally. They should be congratulated. No one was arrested, just detained and released when the police were satisfied nothing untoward was going on. If Christians were praying in the parking lot as a group the same way, the police would stop them as well for an explanation. Maybe not detain them, but Muslims have a history of terrorism. Christians do not. This is the real world. Their rights were NOT violated. If they don't want to be detained, don't pray in a parking lot, go to your mosque like most other religious people.
JerryWayne
A Terry Stop allows law enforcement to detain for 60 minutes to investigate.
I agree these men had their rights violated. Police were dead wrong. If a group of people were in a parking lot praying dressed up as the pope or wearing priest robes nothing would have happened. People your paranoia doesn't not give you the right to deny others liberty.
Land of government control home of the cowards
Dave,
You gotta be kidding me. Christians DO HAVE A HISTORY OF TERRORISM. Hater.
let's review Mr. Stack and his actions.
1) He flew his plane into the IRS building in Austin. This qualifies as a violent and unlawful act.
2) He is an American citizen (an individual), and Austin is in the United States, even though some Texans believe they ARE another country.
3) His attack, while directed at a government building with government employees, posed a violent threat to civilians in the area who could have been injured or killed by his action.
4) He planned his attack carefully, meaning that it was both premeditated and calculated.
5) Even a cursory glance at the fellow's manifesto/suicide note will glean that he was acting out of political ("...the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws;", "...I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie.", "as usual they [the U.S. Government] left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY!", "The recent presidential puppet GW Bush") and religious ("...vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church", "monsters of organized religion", "...the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.") ideology.
6) Coerce the government or the people? Yep! ("I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are.")
7) Fox News says he isn't a terrorist, and when Fox News asserts something as factual, you should always assume the opposite.
(thanks to ThoughtCrimes.org)
"These unfortunately are the times we are living in.."
No, this has nothing to do with the "times we are living in."
It seems the fascists have bought into fear. They've allowed themselves to be terrorized by terrorists, and are now terrified of any Muslim or Middle Eastern individual they see on the street.
Praying is NOT justification for stopping or detaining someone.
Mrx149, the Terry stop doesn't really apply here. What "reasonable suspicion" did the police have that the group were about to commit a crime? Their ethnicity? Their religion? Neither is probable cause.
Good job, HPD! Until muslims are willing to denounce the radical extremists among themselves who seek to do harm to all others, they ALL deserve to be treated with mistrust. They have the power to change that. Don't like being detained by the local police? Start policing your own! Not Politically Correct? Tough sh*t!
There's been lots strange incidents involving Muslims in public places and airplanes lately.
It's quite possible that they're just testing how far they can go.
Or how much they can make$$$
"seven Muslim men from southern California"
Hey Teabaggers, THEY ARE US CITIZENS. Read a book.
Your goals for today should be:
Learn about Islam (not violent, some extremists)
Learn about Christianity (not violent, some extremists)
Learn about Judaism (not violent, some extremists)
Learn about the Bill of Rights (it doesn't which religion you choose or don't choose, the US supports you)
Is it so hard to quit being so negative. Not everyone is trying to kill you. Your religion most likely isn't the CHOSEN one. You most likely don't know and will never know the truth about really anything. Just love the people around you. It would benefit you to educate yourself on these topics before going on and on with talking points such "Christianity doesn't have a violent history" and "Islam is violent".
LasVegas2009,
What about the Columbine shooters, Waco, Oklahoma City bombings, church bombings, abortion clinic bombings, the IRS bombings? White people d-bag. White people.
LasVegas2009,
I'll be flying tomorrow and once again have to remove my freakin' shoes in order to do so. That's due to your muslims pals, not whites.
oops...that last post was in response to hahaha, not LasVegas2009
There is a time and place for everything. If there was a man practicing voodoo by sacrificing chicken parts in the parking lot, that would be bizarre behavior....even if he bought packaged chicken meat at that albertsons....
The thing about the Columbine shooters, Oklahoma City Bombers and the plane flying into the IRS building is they were criminal acts committed by an individual.
The nation of Islam on the other hand has declared Jihad against the United States. Therefore anyone associated with that group should be regarded as a possible threat. These are not individual acts. The muslim terrorists come from an organization with Millions of members who are plotting against the United States.
So your comparisons stink like a pile of dog crap.
I forgot to add, if this was done outside a walmart, that would have been legitimate. Just check out www.peopleofwalmart.com
Here we go again with the ignorance of the 1st amendment. Ok, let's have a HS Civics lesson again. The 1st amendment protects the people from gov't intrusion of their right to speech and religion, correct? People have the right to free speech and religion in a variety of places -- such as gov't owned/maintained areas, houses of worship, private homes, etc.
So, how pray tell, does the 1st amendement apply here? This is a parking lot in a shopping center -- it's private property. The purpose of the shopping center is for business and commerce. Any other activities can be and should be prohibited by the owner.
The owner of the property has the right to and can prohibit any persons from using the property that causes a disruption to business or presents safety concern. Private security or the police have the right to stop or remove people who are using the parking lot for other reasons then business or commerce.
Does a group of people praying in shopping center parking lot possibly disrupt business? That argument could be made. Does a group of people praying in a parking lot present a safety concern? That argument could be made also. Do these people have the right (right meaning they are protected by the U.S. Constitution) to pray in this parking lot - NO!
To all you 1st amendement horn tooters think about this: Using your logic any religion or any group could simply go to any privately owned area that's open to the public and go about their business. Huh?
I challenge anyone to cite one precedent setting case from the U.S. Supreme Court that establishes the right of a person or persons to openly practice their religion in a privately owned public area.
there are some really dumb people bloggin here. I never realized Vegas had so much white Trash. Fortunately, the law will win out here.
"there are some really dumb people bloggin here. I never realized Vegas had so much white Trash."
Perhaps that's why Vegas hasn't been hit by a muslim attack yet, Bozo. I'll take white trash over radical jihadists anyday!
JimmyHoofa,
You should read about Quasi-Public places. In Marsh v. Alabama, the Court held that the private owner could not forbid distribution of religious materials by a Jehovah's Witness on their property.
labdaddy,
You forgot about the court house shooter. Not muslim.
Labdaddy,
Vegas has had it's share of terrorist threats AND attacks from a mixed bag of BOZOs ranging from whites to muslims. That's the point. Terrorism isn't akin to one group. It has been a part of several religions, political groups, private organizations, etc. A blanket "Muslims are scummy terrorists" opinion lacks education.
GO TO A MOSQUE IF YOU WANT TO PRAY!!!
ATVDAD1
I fully respect your response. How upsetting would it be to you if you were detained and then read a bunch of your neighbors/fellow-citizens talking about how Christians were responsible for the killings of hundreds of thousands during the Inquisition, Mt. Meadows Massacre and the Crusades? You live your religion. You passed no judgments. For that, I commend you.
"The thing about the Columbine shooters, Oklahoma City Bombers and the plane flying into the IRS building is they were criminal acts committed by an individual."
McVeigh was convicted by a jury on the charge of the use of a weapon of mass destruction. If that isn't the very definition of terrorism, I don't know what is!
When an individual deploys a weapon of mass destruction, it is a terrorist act.
WOW SUN
You removed my tame comment while allowing the loon platoon to run amuck!
Anyway
Thanks Henderson police!
@ atvdad,
"If we go to an amusement park, we pray before we hit the entrance. We gather in a group and pray for safety, and the opportunity to talk about Jesus" -Thats bizarre...
"I honestly do pray that we can all learn to love a little more and spend more time upon our own knees." This makes comment of the day. If you like to spend time upon your knees, there is work for you in Pahrump. Zing!
...From the Country within a Country, California,.....
Where life is little more than a masquerade party,lol Not like this one incident is a need for alarm, but when one reads in the news almost weekly anymore of members one certain "religion"(Ideaology?) hoping on flights with explosives in their underpants, SEVERAL citizens in an upper social class (doctors)in the U.K. conspiring to blow up a subway same religion, women involved in litigation because they can't wear their religious oriented face coverings when they get their picture taken for a drivers license, and on and on and on,... I feel totally safe that the cops in Henderson made a justified decision in doing what they did. Thank you Henderson Police Deptment
Took me awhile, but I think I've finally figured this out:
THE UPDATED BILL OF RIGHTS (TEABAGGERS' VERSION)
1st Amendment: Applies only to evangelical Christians.
2nd Amendment: The holiest of amendments, this right includes no restrictions whatsoever. So go buy yourself a full-auto AK-47, 'cause Thomas Jefferson would've wanted you to.
3rd Amendment: Prohibits quartering of troops on private property. I suspect this would be viewed as anti-military, so teabaggers probably hate it. Delete.
4th Amendment: Unreasonable search and seizure. If you haven't done anything, you should damn well let the cops and NSA look at whatever they want, you Commie. Delete.
5th Amendment: Protection against self-incrimination and double jeopardy. Anything that coddles criminals sucks. Delete.
6th Amendment: Right to trial by jury and speedy trial. As long as it's the right kind of jury, we'll tolerate this one.
7th Amendment: Gurantees jury trial for civil cases. Coddles injury lawyers, which is unacceptable. Delete.
8th Amendment: Prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. This prohibits torture, and thus is the most un-American amendment of all. Delete.
9th Amendment: Protection of rights not specified in the Bill of Rights. Permissable, so long as we don't protect the rights of the wrong kind of people. Or the wrong kind of "rights."
10th Amendment: Protects the rights of the states and people. This amendment is sacred, unless the state does something icky. Like legalizing gay marriage. Then it doesn't apply.
"Perhaps that's why Vegas hasn't been hit by a muslim attack yet..."
Key word: YET
Henderson police are morons. You don't need to be doing anything. Hell - you can be the victim - it doesn't matter. They are out of control.
Perhaps it was time for Noon prayers and they couldn't get to their mosque on time because they just came back from buying up properties at Lake Las Vegas and and wanted to thank God for their good fortune.....
Wow racism runs deep here. Hopefully your all old and die off before our children are affected by your crap.
At least the courts will back the men who were just practicing their supposed freedom of religion and it will cost the taxpayers a lot of money to continue their small minded bigotry.
"Hopefully your all old and die off before our children are affected by your crap."
Wow...wishing death upon Americans. Muslim are ya????
"GO TO A MOSQUE IF YOU WANT TO PRAY!!!" What about my prays at the dinner table or public cafes. I guess they should be outlawed oh but I am a Christian so they are OK. We can also amend the constitution so it applies only to approved religions while we build interment camps for suspicious individuals. The real terrorists love this kind of reaction.
Sofakingbored :
Great user name..
hahaha,
You need to reread Marsh v. Alabama. It was a public sidewalk owned by a private company that owned that town.
The owner of a parking lot can have people removed from doing anything they don't want done on their property.
Big difference.
Mormons are no friend to the United States
That_Anonymous_Guy,
That was RIGHT ON THE MONEY!
You would think the Constitution and Bill of Rights were written ONLY FOR right-wing, gun-totin', God-Fearin'(note: ONLY JUDEO-CHRISTIAN!)money-lovin', war-mongerin' NutJobs.
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this is nothing more than "lawsuit baiting".
just like the muslim that is suing abercrombie and finch because they made her take off her stupid head cover if she wanted to work in the store.
she KNEW they had a dress code there. and she KNEW all she had to do was go into work for 5 minutes and as soon as they told her to take her hood off...she was instantly rich.
muslims have learned that "white guilt" can make them a lot of money and kill americans.
gmag39,
the constitution was written for what you said.
white male landowners were the only ones that could vote.
too bad it still isn't so.
I see HPD are still up to the usual 1939 gestapo thug tactics...Muslim,Mormon,etc...We all have right in this country,Just not in Henderson Nevada..I hope the take their case to the Supreme Court and shine a light on the kangaroo justice system that exist in Hendertucky..
The cops should have just opened fire on the "terrorists in training".
Ok, it was a parking lot, used for parking, thus the name, PARKING lot. Trust me, go throw out a prayer rug and kneel in prayer for an extended period of time and someone is going to ask you what you are doing. I don't care if you are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or Buddhist. Yes, I know Buddhist's don't pray per se they meditate, whatever. Getting someone's ID and running them for Wants and Warrants is standard stuff. How many times have the police been lambasted for doing a traffic stop on a wanted person and then letting them go because they didn't follow procedure, only for that person to commit another crime later.
If I say a brief prayer before I eat at a restaurant, that sort of thing is acceptable as long as it's not a long drawn out disruptive thing, in which case I would expect to be thrown out on my butt. You morons with your "Freedom of Religion," and your "Freedom of Speech," crap really chap my a**. If I yell Fire in a crowded Movie Theatre, is that freedom of speech? If I develop a religion that involves Human Sacrifice, is that Freedom of Religion? If I call Barack Obama the N-word is that Freedom of Speech. No! certain types of Speech and Religious actions are considered inflammatory or downright illegal and therefore are regulated. But I suppose I'm probably wasting my time trying to educate all of you "High IQ Liberals." Go eat some tofu or something"eating meat lowers your IQ.
Go HPD!
Calling Barry Hussein Obama, The Kenyan Marxist,
the N-Word is against the 1st Amendment. But calling Barry a 1/2N-Word is within the 1st Amendment.
This article is a lot about nothing.
Whats not suspicious to them in their country may be suspicious in ours. Perhaps if they want to pray the way they do in their country they should remain there or be subjected to questioning by the Henderson Police or any law enforcement agency.
Our lives and traveling within our own country has become an aggravating nightmare because of people similar to these,...we need to be aware when they do something strange (around us) or act suspicious when in our country. Great job Henderson Police
Not even a story.
Thanks police. If anyone of you drove by this shopping center and saw these people in a praying ritual. You would have called the police, period.
Right or wrong, ritual or not, unfortunately, circumstances dictate that suspicious activity be checked out. Nobody was arrested, move on
I say, good job HPD. You did your job in questioning those muslims. They had no business praying in a parking lot. If they wanted to pray they should have gone to a mosque or another suitable area like a park.
For those that believe the citizenship of a person has any basis for support of US nationalism need to review the trial in Canada of the Toronto 18 that is now concluding. The majority were citizens, many in white color professions. That does not stop the belief to follow the rules of Al Quiada...I would be happy to discuss Islamic Radicalization in North America with any of you someday...
C'mon HPD , you can shoot a popsicle lady, beat the crap out of an 84 yr old man, shoot a man in a hospital, but you can't justify shootin a bunch of terrorist MUSLUMS? Sheez ,where's the justice?. I'm sure you could have thought they were armed , or strapped with explosives. Don't slip up, next time shoot em.
TomFranklin:
"...have a known belief system that demands they kill every one who won't join them in their barbaric religion."
As hahaha mentioned above, many times- You obviously mean Christians. That group has a MUCH higher number of 'kills'.
JackieKatz:
GO TO A MOSQUE IF YOU WANT TO PRAY!!!
This just shows that you have no idea about what it means to be Muslim. No matter WHERE they are, or what they are doing, they must stop to pray. It is as mandatory and as serious as...say baptism is, for Christians.
ATVDad:
"In other words, we would not run and grab a lawyer or the channel 3 news."
Are you saying Christians never use the media or the courts to shed light on their plight? Why do we hear so much noise then, when someone wants to stop Christian prayers in public schools/events or remove "In God we Trust" from our money, or "Under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance?
That_Anonymous_Guy:
#3 can stay- it says WITHOUT the owner's consent. I'm sure the right-wingers would want to consent- for the troops, you know.
#5 will still apply to white-collar crimes.
MysterMr:
They ARE out of control. I'll still take them over the Mesqite PD.
Gilrus:
THANK YOU, for actually FOLLOWING in the words of your Christ! It is usually harder, for most of us, to admit things are unfair when we are the ones who benefit. I honestly cannot express how happy your viewpoint made me.
SteveM:
"the muslim that is suing abercrombie and finch because they made her take off her (redacted) head cover if she wanted to work in the store."
She's suing, (and should win) because they violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of l964 which "prohibits employers from discriminating against individuals because of their religion in hiring, firing, and other terms and conditions of employment".
So, an Hassidic Jew may keep his peyos and hat, the others may wear their yarmulke, and Mormons may wear their 'garments'.
Helvecto:
"certain types of Speech and Religious actions are considered inflammatory or downright illegal and therefore are regulated."
This does not include prayers, nor the actions involved in praying. Catholics are allowed to genuflect. Why would Muslims be banned from prostration?
Pgctg:
"Their" country IS "our" country. There ARE American Muslims, you know.
Bond:
No, I wouldn't have called the cops. If I had parked there, once I noticed what they were doing, I would have done my best not to disturb them, in their prayers. I also afford the same respect for Christians, Jews, Wiccans, etc.
Did they have permission from the parking lot owners? Did the have a city business license to hold a religious gathering? Do I care if they were investigated? The answer to all three is NO.
Thank you Henderson Police for doing your job,
What is wrong with some of you....applauding the police because these guys were praying and Muslim!?!?!
Must've been terrorists, because as the first poster noted about Muslims, "They are a terrorist organization and cannot be trusted"....wow, the ignorance of some of you is astonishing, embarassing, and very sad.
Please don't attempt to justify your ignorance...."nothing against Muslims, but...." yeah, stop, reverse and use your head.
Hey all. Tune in to Channel 8 News NOW tonight (Friday) at 11pm. We are covering this story and have some new details. That's at 11pm on Channel 8.
Icy:
"They had no business praying in a parking lot. If they wanted to pray they should have gone to a mosque or another suitable area like a park."
So what you're saying is, they wouldn't have seemed 'suspicious' if they'd been praying at a public park?
They have a religious obligation to pray at certain TIMES...not in certain places.
To NOT do it, would be like a Catholic accepting communion without confession.
Guess they found out Albertson's had a big sale on pork in the store and it scarried the B'Jesus out of them.
A dear friend of mine in law school once told me the secret of her success was knowing when not to take the bait. The HPD failed that test.
HPD..Never fails to let us down in their lack of knowlege that there is a army of lawyers waitn to sue the crap out of the City of Henderson and the Clowns that run it, still they can't figure out that times have changed so we need to change the leadership by voting out Hafen on down.
Police in this city have to be especially careful - remember the stories not to long ago about the pipe bomber in random residential and commercial spots all around town... Crazy?! Praying in a parking lot, come on... They could have went to any church parking lot or in a church if they could have found one... Good job HPD!
I wonder if the same people posting here saying that the 1st admendment does not apply to praying in a parking lot (private property) would apply the same standard to a business owner who does not allow guns on their property?
To everyone who is defending the muslims...what would your reaction be if they dropped and started praying aboard the airplane you were flying on. Allah Akbar y'all!
The Muslim religion has been hijacked by all of the extremist groups around the world who hate the western imperialists, and the Zionists. The problem is that the governments in the countries where they are entrenched, are too weak and/or scared to do anything about it. The real tragedy is a story reported last week of stone throwing at Israel solders by Muslim children. They are the next generation of extremists who have been taught this hatred in their schools and Mosques. The hatred and conflict will not cease until the hatred ceases to be passed down from generation to generation. Much like racism was/is entrenched in our society..
If only (so-called) Christians would pray 5 times a day.
wow. i hope those muslims file a multi million dollar lawsuit against the henderson police.. this is america , we have the right to pray anywhere we like.. a white person praying in a parking lot would not have been bothered.. these police officers should be fired. they are clearly out of control.
go big dan..
I am troubled by the comments I have read here. It is apparent that no matter what the topic is someone can and always will turn it into something racial. Freedom of religion is in fact a right we all have. However this whole incident is not about religion or race or individual rights nor is it isolated. These occurences are happening in every city everyday and are ochestrated by groups such as CAIR solely to advance their agenda in this and other countries through financial gain. It is strictly about money and they are the puppet masters and we are all playing into their hand.
allwaysamazed :
Who and what is CAIR ? you need to elaborate more for us to understand your point more clearly..
Funny how some of the boiler-plate, Godless- liberals bash Christianity and vehemently defend Islam all in the same breath! So predictable and so cut & paste!
On point: Islam has become nothing more than a 17th century death-cult and we will not allow Minarets to become the new skyline of America.
doubledown_deadender :
That's a bit of an unfair generalization wouldn't you say?
These men were NOT stopped because they are Arab and Southeast Asian, nor because they are Muslim, but because of their intentionally provocative dress and behavior. This is just a fund-raising scam by a very tainted organization, CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in Hamas funding case.
WOW!! The usa, "land of the the stupid, home of the fearful" anyone with half a brain could have realized that the men where praying, regardless of how out of place they might have been. 2050 can't get here soon enough.
Thank god for the police.
They did their jobs.
Patriotic Americans are proud these officers.
hey enronprotector didnt you read the story? second peragraph tells you what cair is. you just come here to bash people you didnt even read the story. you should allwaysbeashamed..
I will be honest here. If I see seven muslims praying in the parking lot of a gas station, I will keep driving down the road to find another gas station. Just saying....
Your right robertlee ! I eat turd on this one!
"Jihad, an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims. In Arabic, the word jihad is a noun meaning "struggle." In another context, Jihad means holy war. Jihad appears frequently in the Qur'an and common usage "
How about the above defenders of the peacefull muslims and their religious beliefs?
Good Job Henderson PD. I may have to move to Henderson. At least someone's not afraid to do their job....
Vulcan,
And you are free to do that. If I see a scraggly looking white guy at the gas pump, I take a pass as well. But I don't condone him being detained by police. The police could have just asked these men to move along and told them they were causing concern but then didn't need to detain them.
Bottom Line: find some privacy for your private moments with God. Anyone would have been suspicious. Can you imagine if they did that at the airport while waiting for their plane to start boarding? And all of you who are defending them think thats normal? What if they randomly started praying outside of a kindergarten? People need to make better public choices if they don't want to look suspicious. Good job police.
environprotector
With all due respect I dont know or care "who" they are only "what" the group is continually involved in. If you truly dont know much about the orginization (doubtfull) I suggest you click the link in the article and/or Google it and then you can form your own opinions on "who" they are and/or "what" agenda's they are pusuing.
sorry spelled organization wrong my bad
Vixen...well stated...obviously, you have some understanding...as always, I am more frightened by the pablum on here and the ever suppressive police state than I am by a few Muslims praying in a parking lot...
I'm not surprised at the posted comments. Since Reagan our schools have produced an inferior product, you get what you pay for. The police are best when using batons if though is involved a supervisor must be present. My country is assaulted by conservative christian and muslin fundamentalist and I make no distinction between the two. The deity is different but the intolerant message is identical. Christians have been low keyed since the Sabra and Shatila massacre in Lebanon. My question to you all is. How can you believe such primitive brutal text? I can understand Judge Roy Moore wanting 10 commandments in his courtroom. It's power and job security for him from not very bright "Jerry Springer" voters, but ordinary people? How vacant your thought process must be.
Streetsmart nailed it. I will add that this does sound like a set up to me. The muslims I know understand thay rolling out the prayer rug in the middle of k-mart probably isnt the wisest decision. Plus they have their pray pattern down to a science, if they didnt we would see prayer everywhere in this city. 5 times a day?! Thats dedication.
Was Regan considered a Conservative Christian?
LabDaddy - RIGHT ON!
I am sad to see so many feel that everybody has the right to do whatever bizzare thing they want, and the police have no right to even check them out.
What if these guys had driven straight to the dam, had 1000 pounds of explosives in the trunk, and blew it up? Then you would be whining because police did nothing.
Cops must take a look when they see something out of the ordinary, it is part of the job.
"And you are free to do that. If I see a scraggly looking white guy at the gas pump, I take a pass as well."
I don't blame you, vegasstudent. His religion probably dictates that he annihilate all who are not scraggly looking!
If this makes National news it will further hurt tourism in the valley.
..sounds like the same kind of hate we heard about Jews not conforming in Europe in the 1930's...fortunately they will get a big settlement from the taxpayers for the unconstitutional actions of the HPD... hopefully the department will be required to take appropriate training to quell their bigotry
Ha Ha --
You might want find some more recent cases on Supreme Court rulings on this very issue. Marsh v. Alabama was in 1946 and that ruling has seen quite a few changes since then...
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/asse...
"If this makes National news it will further hurt tourism in the valley."
Not as bad as it was hurt after 9/11...
SidneySpritzer:
"These men were NOT stopped because they are Arab and Southeast Asian, nor because they are Muslim, but because of their intentionally provocative dress and behavior."
If it's about INTENTIONALLY PROVACATIVE dress and behaviour, then why haven't we seen those "Lady Liberty" and "Uncle Sam" guys getting hassled? They are ONLY there to provoke you!
StreetSmart:
"Can you imagine if they did that at the airport while waiting for their plane to start boarding? And all of you who are defending them think thats normal?"
You're right! I missed the boat on this one! On my trip to DC last year, I should have grabbed security, so that they could 'neutralize' that old Catholic woman, clutching her rosary beads for dear life!!! She was also mumbling something, and it wasn't even ENGLISH!!! **shudders** I had a close call!
AlwaysAmazed:
You claim you don't care who they are, but what they're involved in...If you saw some of the non-racist skinheads out there, would you know the difference? You have NO idea what these men practice, yet you're ready to condemn them.
Purgatory:
Thanks for you nice words.
Vulcan:
"5 times a day?! Thats dedication."
You make it sound so excessive- yet I know many Christians who offer prayers before each of their 3 meals, and again before bed, each day. (That's 4, btw.) Plus, any additional prayers offered in the face of hardships/disasters/as a plea for help.
Yes, let's nail ALL the 'extremists'! I say the only ones who are exempt, should be the "Christmas and Easter" Jews for Jesus.
Journey,
Have an American hijack a plane full of innocents and fly it into an office tower in one of those countries you visited. Then see how well Americans are treated afterward.
I think the time has come for a second constitution convention. The current bill of rights has been bastardized by 200+ years of dissecting and defining what they think the meaning to be. Enough of slanted court decisions, remember when the court ruled that blacks were 2/5 of a white man? How did that work out? In 1776 the states had a total of 2.5 million people, we now have well over 300 million, some individual freedoms will have to be sacrificed. I'm sure some of my pet liberties will go but in the interest of union I will give in. How about starting with "religious expression zones" all faiths in one area. That would keep them from buying value property and removing it from the tax rolls, and religion having no sway on scientific research. I'm aware the Right and Left agree on very little so the convention would be conducted by the nation whose citizen are most educated and satisfied with their lives. Norway, Sweden and Denmark qualify. What do you suggest?
This whole issue and issues directly related to this story are becoming full blown up in States like Minnesota and Michigan....
Muslims working as grocery store cashiers making patrons run their own pork purchases through the scanner because its against THEIR religion to come in contact with anything pork, Muslim cab drivers refusing to pick-up the sight-impaired with guide pets because its against THEIR religion to transport dogs,Muslims demanding that foot washing basins be installed in all the public airports and bus terminals, and in Philadelphia,PA they have Muslim funded public schools that have these special interest groups demanding that they conduct classes that are taylored toward more "Middle Eastern and Islamic related awareness studies, so I ask, where does it end? Public displays of the Ten Commandments, Crosses and Holy Mangers on peoples lawns during Christmas- out the window, but its ok for them to pray in a parking lot, A D@@@@m parking lot!! and make all these other demands? Please.....talk about a major mind screwing....
David:
Yeah, and those Jews refusing to work after sundown on Fridays, even just to sign a deal...
I would have to say it's all about how much you value the risking of your own mortal soul, according to your specific religion.
The other religious symbols don't count in the same manner that you used them. I am not aware of any religion that requires you to have a manger scene in your yard, or you go to Hell. It's not like a need to eat only fish on Friday.
Coming into contact with the flesh of a pig, does imperil the Muslim, according to their beliefs. I am sure they wouldn't scan lobster, either.
The larger question is. How can you believe such primitive brutal books? In more common language, how can you believe the Bull S--t. Politicians use the "belief system" for job security. How else can we explain Sen. Tom Colburn and Sen. Jim DeMint. Jerry Springer uses TeaBagger meetings as Casting Calls, in SC, yes! Springer Productions has a contract with South Carolina. If SC continue to keep general IQ results below 80 Jerry will continue to use SC citizen exclusively for his syndicated TV show.
Par; 3 Section; 4 Letter of intent Gov. Mark Sanford and Springer Production Burbank, CA dated 2.5.2004 Look it up!
watch out, muslims...the republiklans think they are protecting america's heritage.
misguided war making, bush loving klan republicans.
Always amazing the bigoted side of human nature. In a way it is funny to see someone single out a group with a label they hate and then tout their little label. The label fest of the times we live in. How little the masses have gleaned what almost two centuries after works such as "Crime and Punishment" pointed out the folly of the little groups and the constant fact that each little group considers itself the sole bearer of truth. Pure emotion and zero logic...the new fad.
What the hell are they doing in Sin City.They do not beleave in what goes on there.I would keep a eye on them too. Keep up the good work Las Vegas police,keep us safe.
I am a police officer (not in Henderson) and if I see something unusual ( Merriam-Webster Dictionary
not usual : uncommon, rare.) I will investigate and ask questions. I will ask you for your identification and the reason why you are there. You do have a right to refuse to answer any questions or make any statements. That refusal to dispel my belief that a crime is or about to be committed may take it to the next level. I am not saying that praying is against the law (at least not yet, unless you are in a public school) all I am saying is seeing a group of people bent over in a public parking lot supposedly praying, I am going to ask questions I don't care who you are or who you know. There is no law that states a police officer can not come up to some one and start a conversation. The men mentioned above did not have to allow any search to their vehicle especially if there is nothing in plain sight, all they had to say is NO.
Again detaining the men for 40 minutes is not an unusual amount time time. As long as they were not under arrest, they could have walked away at anytime they wanted to.
....And the Review Journal is reporting it was a Gas Station Parking lot no less that they decided to fall to the earth and praise Allah, with w/a "YouTube link of the incident...yuk, yuk, yuk
Oh...VegasVixen, excuse me for interupting you and your bong hit....
CAIR is a Islamic group that attempts to
marshall the freedoms and laws of the US to protect and encourage the growing population of Muslims. If it were possible I would like to deport every Muslim in the US(about 7 million in 2009). Hats off to the Henderson police. Fundamental Muslims are a growing threat to freedom and liberty everywhere. The local FBI
welcomed the opening of a CAIR office in Las Vegas a few years ago. Makes you wonder who has had the wool pulled over their eyes. Keep up the good work Henderson police--thanks for you service.
"A CAIR attorney said in a statement that the group was seeking discipline against the officers involved, changes to officer training and compensation for the emotional distress of the men."
We should sue CAIR for the emotional distress of 9/11.
Why is CAIR even allowed to exist in this country?,kick em out now before they gain momentum. Wheres the Klan when ya need em?I'm fed up with these anti american groups having a voice here. Time to start cleaning house ,go have your org. in your own home land and get out of the U.S.. I hate the smell of curry.
The US Constitution bill of rights are flawed as we have been in a federal state for a long time...
This is nothing new of being profiled by law enforcement as anyone can be detained at any given time.
The last two terrorist acts (McVeigh'ing the IRS building and Pentagon shooting) were initiated by two different white male software engineers going postal on the government - LOL - ...and it isn't even April 19 yet (white supremist day).
What I can't understand is why didn't the muslims pray on the sidewalk in front of New York New York, now THAT would've been a headliner for news !
Hello; The parking lot IS PRIVATE PROPERTY and is NOT the proper place for ANYONE to pray. And you can't have it both ways; IF you are willing to let Muslims pray on private property then why can't school children pray at football games???? Liberals are all screaming about violating personal rights for Muslims to pray on private property but want to take Christian pray out of our schools and goverment and off our money. How do you justify this?? Pray of ALL faiths should be under the same rules and would the ACLU allow Christians to gather in a gas station, and "pray" while on a raod trip??
So Houstonjil,
If I hate the smell of fries, do I get to urinate on the French Embassy at will with impunity?
And Bongo who hates even the smell of Pizza gets to bomb all the Dominoes and rub out neighborhoods of Italians with LSD in the water??
Goose
Fundamental Muslims are a growing threat to freedom and liberty everywhere.
See?
Fundamental _______ are a growing threat to blah, blah, blah
Just on the surface, your thoughts appear a bit flawed. It bespeaks underlying weakness, agree? Like maybe you're tryin to heap something onto somebody for some dumb reason?
Fundamental ecologists are a growing threat to polluting enterprises everywhere.
Fundamental Christians are a growing threat to happy hookers and fat pimps.
Fundamental dog-catchers are a growing threat to Fido's playful spirit and inquisitive tendencies.
Fundamental mindlessness is a growing threat to advancing cultures.
So: deport: Ecologists, Christians, dog-catchers and Houstonjil, SgtRock, et.al?
It's kinda like when ya' had to go so bad you went in the parking lot and looked around and did the best you could, but it comes down to you had to go and there you were. Just what if Muslims pray like beer-drinkers pee? What if?
It's a case of bad timing and slightly over-the-top reaction that could have been handled more humanistically, but I really don't blame the cops at the scene. It had suspicious all over it. Checking is a slippery slope. Once he's in, he's all in. Forty minutes during prayer is nothing to the cop; duty calls.
Looks bad in newspapers in Arab lands. Spinning is everything these days. Decency yields to over-reacting to secure our borders and parking lots from dangerous dudes in turbans and likely exploding tee-shirts under those foreign-looking capes performing holy last rites before God-knows what kind of hell breaks loose.
Not saying it looks good here, but it really looks bad elsewhere. If I'd a been the cop, I'd a felt compelled to both check 'em out and honor their ritual. It's a damned-if-do-and...you know where I'm going. Poor cop. Did it right seen one way, but all wrong seen another. Where you stand depends on where you sit.
And we're payin' those officers in the squad cars. So blaming them for performing their duty seems a stretch and an unpopular move on the part of CAIR, a regretable move that puts them in a bad light.
A longer view of the picture would show how this suit raises the spector of attack from within and law enforcement's assumed right to inquire into apparently suspicious activity: not a battle to enter with expectation of anything but defeat in this environment. bad move CAIR. not good timing. counter-productive. smacks of entitlement and infiltration, propaganda and veiled jihad.
A fair CAIR rebuttal to support their cause to sue holds that an example of American abuse of praying Muslims is worth many dedicated bombers coming forward for their final destinations. Somewhere in a cave in a rocky hillside, bin scratches his beard and smiles that 'we have caught them being mean to praying Muslims'
From here on, it's all Hollywood or the mid-east interpretation of shinola.
They'll spin this righteous cop reaction to get boys to walk the plank.
Baseball, the weather, nudes on the strip in wagons, free dope, can't we find something else to talk about?
Pentagon shooter=white dude
Some of the comments on this board make me embarrassed to be Caucasian.
Without getting into all of the "What if?" scenarios involving potential terrorists, drug deals, prostitution, etc., let's cut right to the chase:
Loitering in a parking lot is illegal. Therefore, yes, they were indeed breaking the law.
NRS 268.409 Loitering and prowling ordinances: Enactment and enforcement by governing body of incorporated city. In addition to any authority or power provided by the charter of any incorporated city in this State, whether incorporated by general or special act, or otherwise, there is granted to the governing body of each of the cities incorporated under any law of this State the power to enact and enforce loitering and prowling ordinances.
(Added to NRS by 1967, 1506; A 1993, 810)
They were breaking the law, case closed.
Now everyone can drop it.
The Henderson Police Dept did their job. Nowdays one can NOT be TOO CAREFUL..I am sure they would have checked up on ANYBODY milling around in a group in a parking lot. MUSLIM or NOT.. The lawsuit should be thrown out. Stop wasting taxpayers money!
They were not loitering, nor were they charged with any offense what so ever...
The article states they were buying gas and food which means they were conducting business and therefore not loitering...
However the US Constitution bill of rights are flawed as I stated before as we have been in a federal police state for a long time, which in terms any foreign or domestic citizen are now profiled and can be detained at any given time, also if the private establishment wishes to pursue some form of charges on these muslims, the least they could get them on is trespassing on private property.
Some of the comments on this board make me embarrassed if I were Caucasian.
Muslims have a history of killing people with other beliefs. Same as Christians.
I think it is pretty simple: this is America, believe in Christ or GTFO. We are not a melting pot. We don't want foreigners and we don't want none of them competing religions. We've got one crazy crackpot theory about a carpenter who died 2000 years ago that works just fine for us, thank you very much.
The Bill of Rights hasn't been relevant for years, so stop citing it. The fact of the matter is simple, but bears repeating: Christ or GTFO.
I think HPD did a great job. Next start working on the real problem illegals that are in the country without documentation. Its not racism, it the law!
While conducting business they may not be loitering, but once said business transactions are complete, they need to leave. It is at that time in which it becomes loitering.
So yes, they were in fact breaking the law.
And if we really want to get into a religious debate, for the record ATHEISTS have the largest kill records to date. Probably because they got fed-up with all these debates and figured it was the only way to finally shut everyone up...
MWS:
"You do have a right to refuse to answer any questions or make any statements. That refusal to dispel my belief that a crime is or about to be committed may take it to the next level."
"The men mentioned above did not have to allow any search to their vehicle especially if there is nothing in plain sight, all they had to say is NO."
Since when does saying no, or 'just walking away' help to dispel your (and your fellow officers') belief that no crime has been committed? You REALLY expect us to believe that walking away from a 'detainment' would NOT have kicked it up to the next level?
Officer, the next time you pull someone over, remember that they might live HERE. I don't think many of us have forgotten the boy who was shot, whilst running AWAY from an officer, in handcuffs.
Trust me, on the (very few) occasions that I've been pulled over in Las Vegas/North Las Veagas- ALL I'm thinking about, is how NOT to get shot for MAYBE going 3 mph over the speed limit...and I don't even 'fit the profile'.
Sgt.Rock:
"We should sue CAIR for the emotional distress of 9/11."
Only if we get to sue the teabaggers, for the emotional distress of everything SINCE then.
FedUp2Here:
Curry is used primarily in INDIAN dishes. Also- the Majority of Indian people are HINDU. Do I even need to mention that the Klan's focus is mostly on Blacks and Jews?
Jerry61:
It wasn't private property, in the way you mean. These men were CUSTOMERS, and had every right to be there. I don't see anything saying they were denied service, or asked to leave by the property owner, or an agent thereof.
The problem with prayer in school, is that before that football game, you'd have to allow ALL of the students to pray in the manner of their religion. Your Christmas pagent would need the addition of Ramadan, Channuka, Kwanzaa, and the Winter Solstice- to name a few.
You'd be ticked as all get-out, if there was only one prayer offered, and it was a Muslim one. Why should a Muslim kid have to pray to Jebus? Taking 'God' off money etc is because some people are athiests, and some 'trust' in Allah, Bhudda, or aliens- and it's their money/government, as well as yours.
And yes- the ACLU would 'allow' Christians to pray. They are there to defend ANYONE who has their civil rights violated.
Hahaha:
Don't shoulder the blame for another person's actions. That's just as bad as blaming all of some group, for the actions of the few. ;)
DMCVegas:
They were NOT loitering- they had lawful business there. (Buying gas and food.) That's like saying I can be detained if I go to a car wash, and stay to vacuum my floors and seats.
DMC:
"And if we really want to get into a religious debate, for the record ATHEISTS have the largest kill records to date."
Could you site your source, please? Athiests are no more inclined to kill, than any other group.
40 minutes to find out why they were praying. Give me a break! These hayseed cops must have very little life experience in traveling abroad or being trained in knowing other cultural rituals. Only in Nevada would one expect these rubes to not know what's going on. OK, I'll give the officers a few minutes to ask the men if they need help and then they say no they are just praying and then leave them alone. Aren't these hicks even trained in the basics of the US Constitution? Freedom of Religion. How embarassing!!
I hope they get the point and leave this country.
christians are the reason for america's problems...
they voted for bush %100 percent.
i hope america elects another republican like bush.
for sure america will go down the drain...ha,ha,ha...
I find it funny that these STRONG, MENTALLY STABLE, FAITHFUL men and women of the muslim faith are always crying foul over such silliness like this. Maybe you should quit standing/kneeling in parking lots, on airplanes, or on street corners and praying and chanting! We as Christians cannot even pray in school anymore because of such whining little babies who think a prayer is going to infect their child with the evil desire to want to follow a God who loves them and wants to help them progress. Why all the whining? ( I can hear it now..."...but Incramentalism you are the one who is whining!) Save it....
For those of you who have blamed Christianity/Christians for everything bad in this world I ask you to prove it. Prove that a true CHRISTIAN, not just a Catholic once a year churchgoer "christian" but a TRUE CHRISTIAN/CHRISTIANITY is the reason for all the ill in this world.
Forget that the majority of Christians are the ones donating their time, their money, their energy etc to help people all over the world in time of tragedy i.e. Katrina, India, Haiti, Chile etc etc! Forget that Christians are not blowing up airplanes in the name of Jesus Christ! Forget that Christians are not the ones killing babies because some immature teen or adult has decided to kill the result of their CHOICE(you hearing me people?...THEIR CHOICE!!!) to have random sex and create a baby! Forget that it is Christians who have always taught personal responsibility, self reliance, and perseverance in rough times of oppression or self caused disasters! I beg your pardon you little twits! Prove to me Christians cause everything bad! PROVE IT.
Point taken. I like it that the best the guy could come up with was "take another bong hit". That's slang for "I can't come up with a reasonable refutation."
Henderson Police are notorious for committing acts of ridiculous policing. All of these commenters would love to finally give these guys a notch in the win column, but this just reflects their lack of education. Who were they protecting? It is ludicrous to detain praying citizens. In a town that is based on entry-level employment and overstated real estate booms, I would expect some racist uneducated opinions.
Incramentalism,
Don't forget about the Crusades, the Inquisition, abortion clinic bombings, and pretty much standing idly by while Hitler killed millions of Jews. But other than, Christians have a great record.
hahaha:
Do you even know what the Crusades were or when they took place and what happened for over 1000 years BEFORE them? Do you? Well here is a hint: Muslims took lots of land from some Jews/Christians, raped them, killed them, forced them to be Muslims etc etc etc. Now is that to say that killing is correct? Nope. Just giving you a little background.
May I also add that it doesn't matter what religion you follow, once you cease to do as your own books or beliefs teach you you cease to be a good representation of it and are classified as "extremist"? Muslim EXTREMISTS are responsible for deaths, as are CHRISTIAN extremists, and other types of extremists.
Back to the Henderson Police...They detained these people and let them go after determining that nothing was wrong. They would have gotten complaints from people who had called in if they didn't do their jobs. It's a Catch 22 situation.
VegasVixen: If you buy a car wash, and you vacuum your car out, you're still doing business there. Either the vacuums are included as a part of your car wash transaction or they are coin-operated machines and constitute an entirely separate transaction. Either way, you are still conducting business, and are allowed on site (pending the private property owner's permission). So once again, their patronage of the business was done upon the completion of the transaction(s). So yes they were indeed in violation of the law by loitering.
Now as far as the tally goes for Atheism being deadly, that is mostly attributed by Communist Governmental Regimes who based upon their own political ethos did not institute Separation between Church and State and endorsed Atheism as the official Religion of the Government. And before you try to come back with some half-witted argument that Atheism isn't a religion, consider the concept of the number "0". Zero is mathematical representation of the absence of a value in math. Just because you write "0" in a mathematical formula doesn't mean that it invalidates the entire concept of math. Such is Atheism the same. A complete nihilistic belief of no spirituality is still a spiritual concept, and hence a valid religion.
Now go ahead and try to grab for more straws.
Looks like some more Muslims learned how to use and beat the American system, expect a lawsuit, they need monies for their cause...it's an easy "set up" that brings in cash and one of the others to try this out was the Flying Imams...more Muslim provocateurs--
get use to it
DMCVegas:
The men were there in order to buy gas and food, and were stopped on their way back to their car. It doesn't say anywhere that they had finished pumping their gas, or had chosen their food.
We don't KNOW if they were going to move the car to add air to the tires, or if they were going to make a phone call- so how can you make a claim of loitering? How long is it, before you're loitering? 10 seconds? 10 minutes? Have you never gone to a restaurant with an old friend and following the meal, chatted with them in the parking lot for awhile, before leaving? Should you be arrested for loitering?
"Now as far as the tally goes for Atheism being deadly, that is mostly attributed by Communist Governmental Regimes who based upon their own political ethos did not institute Separation between Church and State and endorsed Atheism as the official Religion of the Government."
"A complete nihilistic belief of no spirituality is still a spiritual concept, and hence a valid religion."
What a load!
Religion is a shared belief of a certain set of principles- for example, belief in a God/Gods who has given instructions/prohibitions with a penalty system for not following the rules, and a reward system for obeying. You are a good person= you get to go to Heaven.
Athiesm is simply not having any religious beliefs. I don't believe in Bigfoot, but by your logic, I'm a believer by being a NON-believer!
I cannot find any reference to any "Communist Government Regimes" that were also Athiestic, until the 19th century, when Marxism came into being.
You're not speaking of the deaths and suppresion of religions in Communist countries from then until now, are you?
If you are then you obviously have NO idea about just how MANY people have died in the name of one 'God' or another. (Or Multiple Gods.)
Welcome to the endgame: The passage of this country into a paranoia-driven-police-state ... I'll be waiting in the deep desert with my guns and my copy of the Constitution and Declaration ... see ya when you get there!
Sorry, just can't take someone seriously who can't spell their own username correctly, incramentalism (sic).
The Henderson police had an obligation to show up and look around. Maybe they should have asked a question or two, but praying is not sufficient cause to detain.
This isn't about extremism, the Crusades or any of the nonsense people keep trying to bring into the discussion. This is about a small group of Muslims praying and being detained because the Henderson PD has been poorly trained.
This is more hate driven be talk radio and Fox news, the Henderson Police should be investigated by the FBI and shut down.
So send them to 8 hours of religious and cultural sensitivity training evey year. Big deal.
Those Muslims were acting weird. If people would have been paying closer attention to Muslims in 2001 maybe we'd still have the Twin Towers.
I am absolutely shocked that some honest (I hope) American citizens find excuses, apologies AND invoke OUR Constitution to justify those moslem activists and criticize our police department.
The coran is the manual of crime for the perfect idiot, it's kill, kill, kill. Kill infidels, kill Jews, kill Buddists, kill those who renege on that religion the so called apostats. It glorifies a child molester who married a 3 years old and consumed when she was 9 years old, a slaver, an assassin and a thief.
The avowed goal of the coran and moslems is to establish the Khalifat, overthrow our government, abolish our constitution to establish a terrorist government where they hang the gays, enslave the blacks (Darfour anyone?) kidnap women, rape them then stone them to death for adultery. How can we allow those barbarians and their accomplices here to invoke the constitution that they want to destroy ?
Go to Saudi, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Turkey ohh and Indonesia and just try to pray in public to anyone other than their own god.
How the women of this country would like to receive 100 lashes for going to court without the company of a male member of the family ouaaafff ouaaaafff.
Just try and invoke the Constitution ROFL.
They reject democracy, freedom and OUR Constitution until they need it to better destroy it.
Well in my book they cannot have their camel and eat it too lol.
Bravo Henderson police YOU ROCK
Wow these so called Christians and and Americans are so closed minded.
I think it is suspicious that so many Americans get up on sunday put on a uniform and go to a building to worship a fairy tale character, maybe the Hendertucky PD should stop them too...
Go get um VegasVixen ! You are the people we need here !
Secular governments has murdered and created death politices for more people (especially their own citizens) then governments that have been dominated by religion.
Everyone is saying it was just against the Muslims. I disagree. If 6 of my friends and myself were congregating in a parking lot and praying as Catholic or Christians we would also have been checked out. They handled it perfectally.
I am continuously amazed at the Godless-liberal @ large, filled with vitriolic hatred - and in some cases, murderous rage - as they try to defend their peaceful humanitarianism!
Wow! that's exactly what the Islamists do!
Sean Penn recently said he wished his critics a death of colon cancer when outed for exploiting disaster zones - a perfect example.
i would have thrown some bacon at them. pig = bad. killing innocent children = not so bad.
saying "peaceful muslim" is like saying "a little bit pregnant".
we're seeing a build up to something massive from these diaper heads.
iran is building a nuclear weapon and needs to be bombed...yesterday...but nope...we should "reason" and "understand" them.
Vixen...I advise you to learn the lesson I learned many years ago...you cannot use logic and reason with illogical and unreasonable people...the lesson I have yet to learn is trying to educate the illogical and unreasonable...hence, my Purgatory...good luck...
Another thing. A few years back I was a witness to an accident. I stayed to make sure everyone was ok and to be a witness to the police. The first thing that they did was run my license to see if I had any warrants or whatever. I am not Muslim, South Asian. I am a light white skinned person that was doing nothing suspicious but did not mind as this is how ALOT of criminals are found. Just wondering.
vegasvixen,
The comment posted stated I am not concerned with who they are but what they are involved in which is pretty straight forward. Similair to past and present groups (KKK, Black Panthers, SLA, ACLU) and any other group that attempts to acheive personal gain whether its financial or political.
CAIR is not interested in any particular persons rights just how much money they can generate for other questionable causes (like funding terrorist groups such as Hamas.) Take a moment to look at their website it "conveniently" has hot keys set up to ease and entice the filing of complaints. Thats baiting by my standards.
And where did the non racist skin head comment come from?? I suggest a look in the mirror because that has a strong racist undertone to it in itself.
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How many Christians, Jews, Hindus, Taoists, Zoroastrians, Mormons, Buddhists, Atheists, and Agnostics "worship death and hate life" (bin Laden's words, not mine) and are part of a unified, worldwide jihadist or equivalent movement to blow up planes, shoot up military bases, and kill as many Americans and Westerners as possible? Zero. That's why we stop Muslims. Let's see terrorist-loving CAIR condemn radical Muslims and make as big a stink about their evil as they do about so-called "peaceful" Muslims who are detained for a few minutes. If truly moderate Muslims spent 1% as much time condemning terrorism as they did alleging violations of their rights, perhaps they would have a point. But they are notoriously silent. Those of you who don't see the danger in Islamism and in the quiescence of so-called moderates are precisely the same kind of people who would have trumpeted Neville Chamberlain's "peace in our time."
Al-Qaida calls on US Muslims to attack America
The above headline is cut and pasted from an AP newsfeed from TODAY.
Wake up Americans, we are at war. It started in New York on 9/11/2001 and continues to this day.
While I deeply appreciate the decent sentiments displayed by many of todays posters, particularly the one by DesertVixen, they tend to show a naivete when dealing with THIS particular issue.
Militant Islam is not just a religious movement, it is a political one as well and is causing military strife in dozens of locations around the world. In fact these bloody confrontations seem to be in any area where Islam interfaces "infidel" societies. Of coure, we know about Israel and India, but add in Russia (Chechnya et al), China (Urghars), Philipines, Thailand, Maylasia, Nigeria, Darfur, Bosnia, Kashmir, the list goes on and on.
As fair minded people, we have been taught that pre-judgement is tantamount to bigotry and is a bad practice.
Problem here is that that Al Qaeda and its many recombinant forms are like the KKK, you can't tell who they are until their hoods are removed. To this problem, add the fact that 'mainstream' Islam has been slow to distance themselves from the 'bad guys'. Now add in the revelations that have occured since 9/11 that perhaps their religious texts are open to violent interperatations.
Now we all know that Western history is filled with all kinds of religious horror stories. But we as a (Western) society have grown from these atrocoities and consequently are more able to recognize the threats from religious lunatics as a result of our combined experiences.
So, while we are at war, and while we can't tell the bad guys from the good guys, lets let our law enforcemnt folks err on the side of prudence.
all this stupid politically correct policy got thirteen soldiers killed at ft. hood....
stuff it!
If I saw a group of Christians (I'm one) praying in a strip mall's parking lot, I'd find that a bit odd too. It would be reasonable for police to ask them why they were praying in a parking lot.
Also, the men in this situation weren't arrested by Henderson Police. In this case, "detained" meant "you have to wait here with us until we know what's going on." It took 40 minutes. Then they were free to go.
It's a fine line, sticky situation, or whatever you want to call it. But I vote that the Henderson Police handled this one the right way.
If I see people dropping down to pray and chant in public I will be RUNNING away. Sorry. Stereotypes exist for a real reason. If that makes me a racist, well, I'd rather be a LIVING racist.
I would like to ask what were they praying for in their make-shift parking lot mosque. I'm thinking they were asking Allah to mail them some acetone tricycloperoxyde or a few pounds of nitro-cellulose.
Books:
"Those Muslims were acting weird. If people would have been paying closer attention to Muslims in 2001 maybe we'd still have the Twin Towers."
Had people "been paying closer attention to" white military vetrans, in 1995, we'd Still have the Murrah Bldg. in Oklahoma!
(And why is it, that everyone mentions McVeigh- but forgets about Terry Nichols?)
VisPacemPB:
I'm not sure I can comment on this without sounding mean but, I have to say, after mis-spelling 'Koran' (Qur'an)'Darfur' and 'Muslim', you DID spell Khalifat correctly.
As to women needing a male with them? Is it any different from needing a local guide, when traveling abroad? Women can't properly conduct business with a male- but males of any age can. It's just what their religion asks of them.
Like asking Catholics not to masturbate, or Mormons not to drink coffee.
Cracker: Thanx for the kind words...and I agree- some of those Sunday costumes are- *wow*. You forgot to add that some of them go out on a Wednesday, near the Spring Equinox, and let some guy in a dress put ashes on their foreheads...and walk around like that ALL DAY! *shakes head* Those men here don't want to KNOW from what the Jews do to their newborn boys!!! ;D
Purg: I'm not on a 'mission' (ha!) to 'save' anyone from themselves. The reason I do it, is that someone may be reading something we discuss, who is unsure about where they stand.
I think people need to make decisions after looking at both sides, and once they take a stand, they should be able to answer why they chose one over the other. I'm not even ATTEMPTING to educate the 'illogical and unreasonable'. I'll keep letting YOU push THAT rock, Sisyphus. ;P
Always Amazed:
"Take a moment to look at their website it "conveniently" has hot keys set up to ease and entice the filing of complaints. Thats baiting by my standards."
You're right! Our government offers similar hotkeys on thier websites. They're just ASKING for people to complain! What about E-bay, and Amazon? They make it too easy for people to buy stuff! Let's get them!
As to the 'Skinhead' comment- I don't know how it's racist of me, to compare people calling these men terrorists because of how they look/pray to the assumption that all Skinheads are racists. I guess I should have skipped the metaphor, and used the cliche about not judging a book by its cover.
Manoflogos:
FYI-The LDS church IS a Christian-based faith group.
"...are part of a unified, worldwide jihadist or equivalent movement to blow up planes, shoot up military bases, and kill as many Americans and Westerners as possible? Zero. That's why we stop Muslims."
A unified, worldwide (jihadist)equivalent movement to kill as many Muslims, and 'Easterners' as possible?
Oh, you mean OTHER than the war, right?
If you ever had a Muslim in your direct employ, would you be as willing for them to accept that 40 minute background check, on their way to work? Or would you say they need to leave the house earlier/it's their fault for being Muslim?
"If truly moderate Muslims spent 1% as much time condemning terrorism as they did alleging violations of their rights, perhaps they would have a point."
Yes, because it worked so well for the German Jews in the WWII era to condemn the Nazi regime. Much better that they say they disagree with the 'bad ones' than to call attention to their plight.
Newsy:
Thanx for the nod...I think. ;)
"...show a naivete when dealing with THIS particular issue."
I'm not naive, I understand that there are dangerously violent groups out there- I'm just saying that most of those groups are not even MUSLIM! Most of them are W.A.S.P.'s...and we just don't have the manpower to properly profile THEM.
Calling the militant Islamic groups religious would mean you'd also have to call the Republican Party the same thing- the GOP is chock-full o' Christian nuts.
"..like the KKK, you can't tell who they are until their hoods are removed."
But I've never heard a call by any powerful minority groups to have all white people profiled for ties to a hate group.
"So, while we are at war, and while we can't tell the bad guys from the good guys, lets let our law enforcemnt folks err on the side of prudence."
Yeah, I hear they could get a REALLY good deal on a 'fixer-upper' Japanese Internment Camp...
You're sweet but confused Vixen. Two wrongs don't make a right and just because a whole lot of SOB's were from all ethnic groups does not obscure the obvious fact that we are at war with muslim extremists and THEY are the most likely to f--k us up RIGHT NOW.
Newsy:
"we are at war with muslim extremists and THEY are the most likely to f--k us up RIGHT NOW"
Actually, I think it's the War on Drugs, that would do that, best! ;P
Sorry, but I kinda had to.
I think So. Korea is currently our biggest threat, in the manner you mean. Not just to America, but to the entire world.
But, I'm not going to advocate for profiling Koreans, to appease people who might say that Margaret Cho is likely to run a Korean 'Sleeper-Cell' either...
"I think So. Korea is currently our biggest threat, in the manner you mean. Not just to America, but to the entire world."
South Korea???????????? Holy crap, VegasVixen...You DO need to put your bong down! Any chance you mean North Korea?
On second thought, VegasVixen, perhaps you ARE a supporter of North Korea's regime along with Muslim terrorists!
Nice talking to you but it seems to be hopeless. Your style of taking snippets out of context is misleading at best but I think you are just having a good time with it.
If you are in it for the humor, I will have to review your past posts so I can get up to speed with you. If you are using the humor to advance an agenda that is another issue.
At any rate, roll one up and have a nice evening.
I can't believe I'm even putting another comment on this subject...like its really going to change anything but the last thing I would be interested in interjecting on this subject is, all one has to do is log onto www.brusselsjournal.com and observe what Western Europe is, and has been experiencing with issues just like this for quite some time now.
I would guess that The US is probably approx. 7-11 years behind whats going on over there with mass immigration, from the Netherlands to Sweden to the United Kingdom. Its like the pot is getting to boil over there, its not a matter of if, but more like when....
One example would be that in the City of Marselles, France there exists approx. 72 "no go zones" which are Project and ghetto style neighborhoods that the police and related authorities aren't allowed to enter if something occurs that requires they're presence, because a "Sharia" authority is in place in that City which gives Islamic officials authority to conduct Court and issue punishment independent of the laws in place covering the rest of the Common Wealth of France because the majority of the people living in those neighborhoods are of foreign decent and/or Muslim based origins...just for one example..
VegasVixen:
1) I know the LDS church IS a Christian-based faith group. I'm no Mormon or even religious for that matter, but again, please enlighten us as to how many people Mormon suicide bombers have killed.
2) Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else. That's because they value death, not life and because they eschew reason and embrace a faith that would make the Dark Ages look proud. But all those who are Islamists specifically target Westerners because the Western ideals of the right to pursue happiness is antithetical to the ideals embodied in the Quran. Tell me, how's Shari'a working out for women? How about clitoridectomies? How about honor killings? What religion is responsible for those abominations?
3) It's Muslims' fault for failing to loudly condemn Islamists. Instead, they pick politically correct fights and whine. Perhaps if they stood up to the Islamists, I'd be more likely to trust them. CAIR supports Hamas, an organization whose idols include Hitler. Hamas is funded by Iran, led by Holocaust-denier Ahmadinejad. If you want to make common cause with them, be my guest. I'll stick with the Henderson police.
4) You say: "Yes, because [condemning Nazis) worked so well for the German Jews in the WWII era to condemn the Nazi regime. Much better that they say they disagree with the 'bad ones' than to call attention to their plight." You're dropping the context here. German Jews lived in the midst of the Nazis. And even then you had acts of remarkable courage, not just among Jews, but among Christians, too (the Vatican excluded). American Muslims by definition do not live in the Muslim world, except to the extent they want to reestablish the caliphate. American and European Muslims are being pusillanimous by failing to loudly condemn the Islamists and they are being hypocrites by condemning police who have no way of distinguishing a truly moderate Muslim from an Islamist, since the latter have also been known to pray before engaging in their acts of terror. The onus is on the Muslims to stand up. If they don't, then either they are indeed cowards or they support Islamism itself. They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt any more. It's been over 8 years since 9/11 and the silence from the Muslims is deafening.
Facts, well they are stubborn things. We ignored the facts when it came to Ft. Hood and many times before. How many more times must we ignore these very same facts?
Wow, by far the most commented story ive seen on this site ever!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing but white 'tough guys' sitting with their *&^% in their hand naked at their computer.
Without reading all of them ,,hopefully someone mentioned the names Tim McVay, the shoe bobmer, the white dude turned radical they think they caught in Pakistan, the white guy who shot up the pentagon, the White guy who flew his plane into the IRS...and then all of the other just mentally sick people like the White guy who shot up LA fitness, or ....etc get the picture ????????????????? The names and faces of terrorism are not just middle eastern. Its is not just a religion because the radicals preach it is... There have been wars against our country forever and its not because the Japanese were Muslim, or the Nazis, or the Russians
maybe askin them what they're doing, but too much
- Mark Szczygiel
LabDaddy:
"Any chance you mean North Korea?"
Yes, there's EVERY chance that's what I meant. Thanks for the correction! The rest of it was kinda mean. (You don't HONESTLY believe I support terrorism- of any sort, do you?)
As to the humour, I may have a dry, acerbic wit...but what could be more appropriate in the desert? But, feel free to check my posts. The humour is mostly punctuated as ;) ;D or ;P, to avoid confusion.
My only agenda is the free exchange of words and opinions.
On occasion, I remember that I am a Lady- so for those of you who are attempting to sully my reputation, I shall gently remind you that personal attacks are just not cricket.
ManOfLogos:
1) The Mormon bomber that springs to mind, used the U.S. mail, because suicide is frowned upon, in the LDS Church.
2)Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else. That's because they value death, not life and because they eschew reason and embrace a faith that would make the Dark Ages look proud.....Tell me, how's Shari'a working out for women? How about clitoridectomies?
Muslims don't value death over life, nor eschew reason. It's an unfair observation.
If death was so highly prized, you'd never see agony on the face of a Muslim parent, upon learning of the senseless death of their child.
It is in ALL religions, to believe that leading a just life, and performing your religious duty will secure you a place in Heaven. If you TRULY believe that, it is better to sacrifice your own life, than to accept another's religion. It's not just the Islamic faction that teaches martyrdom, Christians and Jews do it as well.
Shari'a is a way of life, following their religious beliefs and laws based upon those beliefs. So, it works pretty well for them. Just like not using electricity works for the Amish.
If enough women were fed up- you'd KNOW about it! The Catholic Church used to take a pretty dim view about females, too. But, they had to change. Just because WE can't picture our lives being lived in that fashion, doesn't mean it's not okay for THEM.
About clitoral mutilations; they occur, yes- mostly in Africa, and it is NOT based upon a religous dictate. (vs. the Bris, for Jewish boys.)It's done out of local custom, the belief that it's 'cleaner', and because the men in that region expect to marry a woman who has been 'cut'.
In that same spirit- I had a friend who had a woman actually get out of bed, dress, and leave, upon seeing his intact penis. She even went so far as to ask "What is WRONG with it?!" So, it's mostly about what you're 'used to'.
"...police who have no way of distinguishing a truly moderate Muslim from an Islamist"
In our criminal justice system, people are SUPPOSED to be innocent, until proven guilty. The answer is not to condemn everyone equally, but I am not sure what the solution will be. There are suggestions on the table, but it's going to come down to how many of our civil rights we AMERICANS are comfortable losing, in an effort to stop terrorism.
everyone has a different opinion on this subject, truth is that Muslims have given themself a bad name and people will view them according to the action some Muslims have taken(terrorism) so its not surprising that the HPD (or any other person) would view the act of praying in a parking lot suspicious, especially if they are middle eastern or from any group assosciated w/ terrorism... Im not saying what the police did was totally right, but it wasnt totally wrong
saying "peaceful muslim" is like saying "a little bit pregnant". by stevem. This is stupidity to the extreme.
The police were responding to a call from a citizen reporting suspicious behvior & they responded. They absolutely did the right thing. Well done!
sdmfla:
Blah, Blah, Blah.....right......
Truth of the matter is this Islamic cult movement has sucked more people into its belief system after 9-11 than ever before in the history of this Country, this would be inclusive of many,many, dis-enchanted white folks for whatever reason, ALL races of folks in the prison system; mainly African American though, and alot of people that find mainstream Christianity and Judaism to be way too diverse to follow which (in my opinion) is a major failing for the Christian religion, too many people, too many opinions on the subject,from Catholic-ism to Orthodox Christianity to Mormon-ism to Scientology to New Age etc.,etc., Where to begin? And then you toss in people loosing faith in the Governments responsibility to do right by all different standards of how people see things as doing the right thing? Geez,..give me a break with that "Tough white guy thing" you mentioned, you make yourself sound like an idiot to anyone here that has the ability to think past the bridge of their nose......
An obvious set up
These folks probably hope for the money the inevitable lawsuit will bring them....public prayer in an inappropriate area is silly and they obviously planned this out for maximum effect.
They were probably highly disappointed they were not arrested.
Hey Ninja man (AKA Copperhead) you forgot the right to fly planes into the World Trade center for reasons of religious beliefs.
One of the few things I agreed with Bush on was:
"If you are not with us you are against us."
Normal Muslims are NOT bad.
BUT radical Muslims and their "running dogs" (aka useful idiots) are BAD.
They ought to jail all those who sympathize with radical Muslims.
Amazing that people are unable to distinguish between a small death cult within a religion and the religion itself.
Lincoln jailed those who openly sympathized with the south and put them into Federal lock up until the war ended. I think we need to start doing that.....
Normal religious behavior is wonderful
radical and put up silliness like this should be stopped whenever it crops up.....
Good Lord.
If you censor these folks, you are only hurting yourselves; which is what "they" want in the first place!
Reasonable suspicion will win out, they did not hold these people for over an hour which is allowed under law. They (cair) will not win, it is just another bs move by CAIR, in the ongoing attempt by this America hating EXTREMIST group (funded by terrorists http://www.anti-cair-net.org/ProvenCAIRt...) to help muslims take over the world. Great job HPD. I wonder what these people who are trying to villify HPD would say if it was 7 white men, wearing full kkk garb, having a group meeting in the parking lot. Probably be a completely different reaction from those on the side of the Muslims.
Darthbry:
Nope. It would be an identical reaction, from a LEGAL standpoint.
Prayer is 'protected speech'. Meetings are 'protected ACTIONS'. (Provided that it was a PEACEFUL and lawful meeting, rather than a planning session to commit a hate crime.)
Both fall under the 1st Amendment.
I would hope HPD, LVMPD, NLVPD or any agency would make contact with any group "praying" in an unusual place to find out what exactly was happening. If a member of the general public called in the potential suspicious behavior, the local jurisdiction has a duty to investigate. Not being on the scene, there could have been a language barrier or other reasons the stop took 40 minutes (which is well within the law as the men were not held for longer than an hour). So the libs need to quit b*tching and let the police work in accord to there lawful duty. As far as CAIR, will anyone disagree that they are an anti-America and non muslim hating orginazation whose goal is to see the west (America) taken over. If it was any other orginazation that was questioned, we, the public would never hear about it, but because it was a Muslim group, all of a sudden it's a crime (sarcastically) against humanity.
Ok Vegas Vixen, so I gather from your posts that if that certain time comes along the Muslim faithful must drop down and pray right where they are. So what if you have a group of Muslims crossing Las Vegas Blvd. when that time comes? Can they finish crossing the street, or should METRO just re-route traffic around them while they practice their religious freedom? And if they can finish walking across the street, why couldn't these guys take a minute to find a more appropriate place to pray? Again I go back to my statement it is a parking lot. Parking lots are for parking. If I went into the store bought 50 pounds of hamburger and then decided to have a barbecue in the parking lot, I would hope someone would say something to me.
Listen up, all you infidels! Everything is cool, come on over to my pool party, , and lets enjoy our lack of diversity, Let's celebrate paranoia, and our standing as the least educated town in all of America. Stand up for stupidity. These responses are a good reflection of this Town,you guys makes Mayberry look like a think tank.Shalom from my shack
Cactusdan for president.
Cactusdan:
I mention useful idiots and one speaks out on queue!
interesting