POLITICS:
Why Horsford took on gaming; what’s next?
Senator wants all parties at table to talk about new revenue, while industry balks
Senator Majority Leader Steven Horsford delivers a speech in which he calls for corporations to step up and pay their fair share on Day Four of the special legislative session Friday, February 26, 2010 in Carson City.
Friday, March 5, 2010 | 2:01 a.m.
Billy Vassiliadis, the president and majority owner of R&R Partners, inside his office at R&R Partners in Las Vegas Friday, Aug. 21.
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- Gibbons’ budget plan risky in an election year (2-24-10)
- Anti-tax ideology tests Republicans (2-24-10)
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- Gibbons denies, then admits taking texting friend to D.C. (2-23-10)
- Lawmakers to tackle water rights during special session (2-23-10)
- Proposal to close state prison meets opposition (2-23-10)
- Budget crunchtime: Lawmakers set to tackle historic deficit (2-23-10)
It was a dramatic showdown.
State Senate Majority Leader Steven Horsford, trying to close a nearly $900 million budget deficit, demanded that the gaming industry come to the table and contribute.
The industry’s chief lobbyist, Billy Vassiliadis, said the suffering industry has nothing to give, that others in the Nevada business world must participate after years of getting off scot-free.
The conflict even had a touch of the Shakespearean: When Horsford was a teenager, his father was murdered. Vassiliadis would later hire Horsford, in his 20s, as a lobbyist for R&R Partners and act as mentor on matters of policy, politics and press.
That relationship provided extra tension as Horsford took to the floor of the Legislature during the special session and blasted the gaming industry for its hard line.
“How will you find your next generation of educated workers?” said Horsford, a Las Vegas Democrat elected in 2004 who quickly rose the ladder to become the youngest majority leader in Nevada history.
He scoffed at the industry’s claim of poverty and its unwillingness to come up with $32 million to fund the agency that regulates it. The sum amounted to just three, $10 million high rollers, he said.
The conflict between the lobbyist and legislator was emotional and real, according to the principals and lobbyists for gaming and other industries.
What emerges from their accounts of Horsford’s clash with gaming are important developments: an increasingly frustrated gaming industry steeling itself for the 2011 Legislature, and an evolving Horsford growing into his progressivism while keeping the state’s traditional power players in the business community at greater distance.
These trends will have significant effect in the coming months and years.
Horsford and his political team are managing five highly competitive races this year in their drive to retain the majority and even pick up two seats to achieve veto-proof status. To do so, he’ll need money from gaming and other business interests that he carefully cultivated for years. And when the Legislature meets in 2011, staring down a $2 billion to $3 billion budget hole, it will face choices both scarce and scary — and the interaction between Horsford and gaming will be a key dynamic.
Finally, there’s Horsford’s own career: His name is frequently mentioned as potentially Nevada’s first black governor or congressman. No candidate has ever risen to that level of high office in Nevada by opposing the state’s small political clique dominated by gaming, Nevada historian Michael Green noted.
There are three important things to know about the Horsford-gaming dust-up, said a Democratic operative who was granted anonymity to speak freely:
First, Horsford left the powerful R&R agency years ago to become CEO of a nonprofit organization, the Culinary Training Academy, a partnership of the Culinary Union and Strip hotels. This contradicts Horsford’s image as close to the state’s business interests, including gaming and development. “In fact, he’s very liberal in his core politics,” the operative said.
Second, the conflict was not manufactured for the cameras. Horsford showed genuine and uncharacteristic anger at gaming. “He was livid,” the operative said.
“And finally,” the Democratic source added, “There’s no consensus in the industry, which makes it more difficult for (Vassiliadis) to broker a deal.”
But the phrase “No consensus” was a bit of a euphemism used to explain gaming’s inability to negotiate on paying more to close the deficit, according to industry lobbyists.
“No consensus” was the message that went out to the public, but there actually was consensus on whether to pay more: No way, no how.
Last year some of the industry’s key companies, including Wynn and Harrah’s Entertainment, compromised with legislative leaders on a $300 million tax increase to support education as a way to fend off a more threatening voter initiative to raise gaming taxes.
The promise at the time, several gaming lobbyists said, was that in the next round of raising revenue, gaming would not be singled out.
As far as they were concerned, Horsford’s entreaty was a broken promise.
Moreover, they wanted to make a statement in advance of 2011: “You are not coming after us,” a Strip lobbyist said. The reason: By their own estimates, gaming and its customers generate half of the revenue of the state general fund, and the industry says enough is enough.
But Horsford was in a jam. He and other Democrats in the Legislature were coming under withering attack for not offering an alternative to Gov. Jim Gibbons’ plan to slash spending.
D. Taylor, a close ally of Horsford as head of the Culinary, had publicly questioned whether Democrats had any principles. The teachers union bought $200,000 in TV time to force Democrats to stand up for public services during the special session.
Legislative leaders divvied up responsibility for getting more revenue, with Assembly Majority Leader John Oceguera, D-Las Vegas, approaching the mining industry, while Horsford went to gaming.
According to sources familiar with the dialogue between Horsford and Vassiliadis, the conversation was not easy for either of them. With gaming balking, and Horsford badly in need of revenue, conflict was inevitable.
“Billy was disappointed he had to tell (Horsford) no. And when he said no, Steven was legitimately angry,” another gaming lobbyist said.
Then came the floor speech late last week.
“If anything I was surprised by the floor speech,” Vassiliadis said.
But he said he didn’t take it personally.
Horsford “was under a lot of pressure, looking at making painful cuts, and eventually he did make painful cuts,” Vassiliadis said. “I don’t think there’s any hard feelings.”
Vassiliadis, whose firm has tentacles across the state including as the creator of the “What happens here” ad campaign, knew going in to the session that legislative leaders would lean on the industry, and he knew what his response would be: “I told Sen. Horsford we had a problem given that we contributed three of the past four sessions,” he said, referring to the education funds last year, money for transportation in 2007 and a gaming tax hike in 2003. For the most part, other industries had skated.
Ultimately, and with the backing of a threatened veto by Gibbons, gaming won this time and walked away without having to pay extra fees, except for new licensees.
For his part, Horsford is not backing down.
“I made my wishes known before the session that gaming as well as other business interests should be there,” he said. “We let our intent be known that we need to protect education and vital services. And I was very upset the industry didn’t try to work with me to come to a solution. They did what they needed to do. I felt like I did what I needed to do.”
He added that his floor speech wasn’t just about gaming — and this is where 2011 comes in again: “It’s imperative everyone recognize that next session we will be faced with 50 percent less revenue. So I’m not waiting until next session to get people around the table to figure out how to have a more fair, equitable and broad tax base to fund our schools properly.”
Indeed, Horsford used the special session to hammer the point home. In widely discussed committee testimony, Horsford hauled in lobbyists for manufacturing, banking, retail, trucking and the like. All of them have long-standing enemies in Carson City for their consistent refusal to pay more in taxes; none would make much money selling tchotkes on late night TV. Members of both parties gave them the third degree, with feeble resistance in return.
In the end, both Vassiliadis and Horsford won. Gaming walked away not having to pay much more and made a statement about 2011. Horsford won populist bona fides with the Democratic base and drove home his point that the state needs a better tax system that will deliver more money for education and other services.
The episode wasn’t without some damaging long-term consequences, however. Gaming, already a favorite target of voters, publicly shunned the Legislature as it tried to prevent cuts to K-12 education, the universities and social services. As a result, voters will likely continue to give the Legislature permission to go after the industry.
Horsford, meanwhile, infuriated industry leaders with what they consider to be his grandstanding.
For now at least, by outward appearances, Horsford and Vassiliadis remain allies.
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Horsford is right. The gaming industry collectively should have no problems coughing up 900 million dollars to close the state budget gap. Next we go after the mining thieves.
Interesting slogan on Billy V's hat..."Life Is Good" - perhaps true for R&R that has all sorts of questionable 'no other bids allowed' contracts. Be that as it may be, this article states that Billy V walked away a victor, and so did Sen. Horsford...leaving the people of the State of Nevada the loser! Putting back deals aside (for Mr. Horsford's political growth - and you know there was a back room deal), the Senator should now push for a Statewide Lottery and then watch the reaction of gaming...we need the money for education and seniors programs. The gaming tax generated and paid by nine casinos in just the month of February in Pennsylvania was nearly $100 Million - for just one month! Gaming funds the political campaigns, gets their selections elected, and then controls them to get gaming's way. And at some point along the way, maybe even the chosen / elected official even worked for gaming or the politically connected "Life Is Good" Billy V. The results will be interesting to watch and chronicle. New Jersey has a law that gaming cannot contribute to political campaigns.
R and R has an imperial attitude toward Nevada and treats the Legislature like its own appointed colonial government that is only there to do the bidding of Billy and Pete. We are very fortunate to have a statesman like Senator Horsford who is not afraid to talk of slaying sacred cows.
The revenue paid by other state casinos should not be compared to what Nevada casinos, especially Strip casinos pay in taxes. The state casinos have a captured client and have some of the tightest slots I have ever played. There are very few winners in the other state casinos - only a big sucking sound of your money going into the state coffers. Now, if I can't get better play in Nevada, why spend money on airfare for the same lame result I can get at home? You all know that will be the result of higher taxes on gaming - tighter slots to maintain profit for Wall Street. Tighter slots will lead to less visitors and less and less play leading to less tax revenue. This democratic method of always wanting higher taxes is so typical. The state needs to reign in their spending just like any other business during the down times. The standard answer to raise taxes does not cut it anymore. It is going to get to the point that everyone will just mail their check to the gov't to cover the gov't's out of control spending and take what little the gov't gives back - oh, a socialist state.
Horsefood is just another greedy government dreg. He supports every worthless government program that just turn out to be ratholes to dump honest people's money into. Cut, cut, cut.
This guy is another pelosi in disguise? Tax everyone including the only industry our State has. Taxes are not the answer, tighten our belts, and hold on. America will recover and come back to our city. He stands out because he is actually bright and not some wacko with a crazy cause that got elected. His problem is this is not San Francisco, we dont need more liberal non-sense. Our State is a middle of the road conservative do things for yourself State that does not look for others to beg from. The casinos dont need more taxes if anything they need a tax cut that will enable them to improve their quarterly SEC filings. The Schools are fine, our teachers are excellent, we have the worst parents in the country, more money is not going to make our schools better (ie District of Columbia and their 7k per pupil). This town has always been the last stop for many of the worst bums, con artists, and all around freaks in the last 20 years. We have become the drain for the USA. The old saying used to be if you cant make it here, you cant make it anywhere.
Horsford and his colleagues in government should heed the headline of another article today: "Harrah's secret: Cut costs, back to basics."
As this article shows gaming is indeed doing its "fair share" of contributing to the state's revenue. It's government that needs to tighten its belt, not the rest of us.
jlb101 -- what you said!
Maybe if Senator Horsford had been a little more like our fine Governor, Gym Gibbons, he would not have had this little tet-a-tet with his friend and my personal hero Steve Wynn and the Gaming Industry!
You must NOT be seen as to WANTING the money, SILLY! You have to dither and DALLY, and say "well, I don't know... if gaming WANTS to throw in a few bucks, I SUPPOSE we could consider it FOUND MONEY and go ahead and TAKE IT,
but do NOT say I'm ASKING OR DEMANDING you pay more! "Submit it of your own free will and volition and, perhaps, we will consider such a lavish bequest merely another sign of your endless generosity and kindness!" is the approach here, young Senator, Mr. Horsford!
Woops... My Gibbons method did not work!!!
How can that BE? It was classic reverse psychology!!!
AHHH! Well, at least I can say in my advertisements for re-election (HA!) that I stood firm in my pledge to you, the fine people of Nevada, that I, Governor Gym, did NOT raise your taxes! Well, not that you can prove.
Now, I really must be going. I've got text messages stacked up the old wazoo and it is time for my daily re-generation treatments from Dr. Frankenstein!
Guess Horsford can kiss any contributions from gaming goodbye. And you can't win without that. Thank God!
i just got off the phone with macau...
that's right boys and girls...
i just had a conference call with each and every citizen of macau...
and they wanted me to convey this message...
they wanted to express their profound thanks to the citizens of nevada for subsidizing their gaming growth...
you see...
their gaming tax rate is around 50%...
so they tax the hell out of the casinos...
nevada on the other does not...
so the casinos are taking those tax savings in nevada and building big casinos in macau which generate huge tax revenues for the citizens of macau...
and oh by the way...
macau has surpassed las vegas in terms of gambling...
so in effect...
our low tax rate has enabled las vegas to lose it's number one status...
so once again...
the citizens of macau say...
thank you...
and...
they also say...
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
How do you answer the next employee laid off so the industry can pay more taxes? Do they really think there is no connection between taxes and employment? Right now the state needs jobs, not higher taxes with less employees. We don't have to be the next California, bankrupt and empty.
GAMING... 1 big con...
WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS PATHETIC MESS IF WE HADN'T HANDED OUT OUT WATER PERMITS LIKE CANDY TO BUILD ALL THIS EMPTY FORECLOSED JUNK THAT WE HAVE NOW AND WHICH WILL COST US FOR YEARS ON END.
AND THEN LET HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS BRING IN THEIR ANCHOR BABY OFFSPRING TO GET
FREE EDUCATION, FREE HEALTHCARE AND FREE GOVERNMENT SERVICES WHILE THE ILLEGAL TYPES SEND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PAYCHECKS BACK TO THEIR HOME COUNTRIES, WHILE WE PAY THE TAB FOR THEIR WELFARE, FOOD STAMPS, AND UNEMPLOYMENT CHECKS.
QUINTUPLE THE TAX ON BUSINESSES THAT WON'T CERTIFY AND PROVE THE USE E-VERIFY
REQUIRE EVERY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE, CONTRACTOR, VENDOR, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO GETS GOVERNMENT MONEY, TO CERTIFY AND PROVE THEY USE E-VERIFY.
STOP SPENDING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON GOVERNMENT HOUSING 'ASSISTANCE' PROGRAMS, SECTION 8, SECTION 42, CULINARY UNION GOVERNMENT-FUNDED DOWNPAYMENT 'ASSISTANCE', AND HOUSING GIVEAWAYS TO PEOPLE WHO WILL NEVER PAY THE MONEY BACK.
OPEN UP WEIGH STATIONS AT THE STATE LINES AND START TAXING THESE HUGE OVERWEIGHT TRUCKS THAT DAMAGE THE NEVADA ROADS.
AND START TAXING THESE CORRUPT MINING COMPANIES MORE THAN THE 1.8% THEY PAY NOW. ALASKA'S TAX ON OIL COMPANIES IS 25%, MINIMUM, BY STATE LAW.
THIS STATE IS IN THE TOILET BECAUSE THE POLITICOS THAT ARE/WERE ELECTED ARE/WERE CORRUPT AND IN BED WITH *EVERYBODY* ELSE WHILE YOU'RE NOW STUCK WITH THE MAID SERVICE TAB......
This was all scripted, all rehearsed behind 'closed doors'.
It was all carefully laid out to take out the deficit on the backs of kids and our universities and our wealest, sickest classes and leave the BILLIONAIRES alone.
Horsford has the guts and intelligence of your ordinary earthworm.
hey neiman...
that tune is old and tired...
kinda like cutting taxes stimulates the economy...
if that were true...
the economy should have soared after w the scum bag liar loser clowns tax cuts...
didn't happen...
simply put...
the stupid pathetic ugly lying republicans have been selling a load of crap for far too long...
we need to raise taxes...
to improve the quality of life in nevada...
if that mean a few people lose their jobs...
so be it...
they greater good is served by improving the qualilty of life for the citizens of nebada...
period...
end of story...
and furthermore...
this constant cry to cut taxes is pathetic...
period...
end of story...
just got a call from another macau citizen...
they said...
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
Birdie - do you just make up facts as you go along??? the Reagan and Bush tax cuts led to some of the best economic years this country has seen in your lifetime.
You know, you're just like the rest of dems - if you say something, you think it makes it true.
When did you change your tune, by the way? For months you have preached that we all need to help each other and now your tune is if some folks lose their job, so be it ???
Is this the new dem way ?? Cast some aside to help the majority ?? I thought you were all in this together ? You must have lost a tax funded benefit and you miss it and are willing, like Obama, to throw someone under the bus to get your own way. And you have the gall to call republicans names???
Horsford is grand-standing becuase he was chided in the press at the last special session. Hell, here's a guy who thinks an extra 1/8-mile walk is cutting off West Las Vegas and let's throw millions at that mess! Let's also not forget his handicap parking debacle. This guy won't make a legit run for gov because he has nothing to run on as far as a platform or issues. Bottom line is none of these jokers can make the hard decisions that will have to be made for the State. BTW, throwing a tantrum so that you can start the process in 2011, is not a platform.
maybevegas, well put. Horsford is blow hard who likes the sound of his own voice. He lacks the savvy to present and defend his positions so he just raises his voice to get his way. Horsford for Gov" Yiesh, I hope not.
Yeah, maybevegas, I seen him jaywaliking once too! You know what that makes him; LIBRUL!
Horsford needs the money so he can pay for the $70 MILLION D Street underpass so that "his people are not cut off from the heart of the city".
great how we can spend $70 million TAXPAYER dollars so a few hundred people who pay very little taxes don't have to drive an extra 4 blocks to go downtown.
Horsford is a typical liberal politician crook.
Every time the state raises taxes, gaming included.. the amount collected goes DOWN. So raise em all you want - plan on you and your frinds being laid off so I can keep my business open.
He's another product of the demonic, illegal system of affirmative action laws that were perpetrated on the American people by 60's era liberals and demogogues.
PierreBeauRegard;
Aw, SHUCKS. I bet you say that about all the black fellas.
Horsford, isn't this the guy that likes to park in handicapped zones in a state car?
Why Horsford took on gaming?
Because he's in it to win - Just like Berkley and Sisolak. They're all Democrats who are always in the media and very good at playing politics/keeping their constituents happy.
I am not a Democrat but I know good politicians and Horsford, Berkley and Sisolak play the game real well.
Stay away from Handicap Parking Spots Horsford and you'll be our Governor one day.
finally some1 who not afraid of gambling industry
perry, please, please use spell check or amigo put on your coke bottles.
"tax and spend when is Nevada going to wake up from this nightmare?"
Nevada does not tax and spend. We've enjoyed a great ride on the back of gaming, tourism and mining. There comes a time when each Nevadan needs to step up and pay their fair share. Gibby is out and hopefully someone who recognizes that generating revenue is the answer will come into office. I am not saying that taxes are how revenue should be generated, but I am saying that it must be generated. If that means that we join most other states and enforce a state tax, so be it. I would much rather contribute to our State's success than sit back and watch it wither away. This isn't the old west and we need to step into at least the 20th century.
Get the #$@$ out of your mouth before you open it horsford. Did you forget you worked for that pr firm.. Yeah you know.. Now you want to bite that hand that fed you huh. Solution is simple Nevadans vote nonpartisan/independent across the board this election day.
Nevada has plenty of room to raise taxes. Louisiana, for example, has a nearly 25% tax rate on casino win. Nevada is under 10%. These casinos make massive profits and used them to build projects like City Center and LBO's like the Harrah's and Station Casinos. That money is now gone forever and could have been used to finance much for the State of Nevada.
Now, I'm a realist and it is a fact that these Las Vegas mega casinos were built to a specification of luxury based on the tax rate being low. Obviously raising the tax rate on casino net win from say 8% to 25% would be a disaster. But raising it to 10% this year and by 1% every other year for 10 years until it gets to 15% would not be as traumatic and would bring Nevada into line with many of it's competing states.
@ George Washington - you know Democrats have no loyalties.
@ bjigplayer - um... you're retarded on many levels. 1, the money for city center was BORROWED. 2, if we raised the gaming tax to 10% now, and 1% a year "for 10 years", um... it would be 20%, not 15%, and 3, why punish gaming because the state can't control it's spending.
Horsford is DONE. He's ruined the prospect of attracting any business to Nevada with his tax rants. He might as well publicize that he's going to release the bubonic plague in Nevada in 2011.
And yes, he is the guy that likes to park in handicapped spots. Very appropriate for a man of his mental capacity.
None of them have any loyalties but their own interests. Dems and Republicans are the same, however one is a jackass the other a fat elephant.. Beware of partisan politics. People are to divided over this garbage and while this is happening the chickens are disappearing from the coup because the dems and republicans are taking turns raiding the hen house. Wake up Nevadans. The majority cant be as stupid as the rest of the nation thinks you are?