Rodeo rustler? Tourism officials worry Dallas Cowboys owner could steal Vegas event
Thursday, March 4, 2010 | 2 a.m.
Emily Morrow / Special to the Sun
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Clark County may need a new arena to head the Dallas Cowboys off at the pass.
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has made it clear that he wants his $1.2 billion state-of-the-art stadium to supplant Las Vegas as the premier site for the biggest boxing matches. Now local tourism officials are concerned that Jones’ posse plans to corral the National Finals Rodeo, Las Vegas’ premier December event.
For 25 years, UNLV’s Thomas & Mack Center has been home to the NFR. Last year, its 10 nights of competition posted an attendance of 174,000, including an estimated 35,000 out-of-towners, delivering a much-needed economic boost of $50 million during an otherwise slow time of the year.
The Cowboys know the NFR brings in big bucks, of course. They also know “the Super Bowl of rodeos” would be a particularly plum event in a part of the country famous for 10-gallon hats and boots. In fact, the first three NFRs were in Dallas beginning in 1959.
So far Jones and chums are keeping their strategy for bringing the NFR back to Texas under their Stetsons. But Brett Daniels, director of corporate communications for the Cowboys, acknowledges that his team has “had a few initial conversations and invited people to see the venue.”
“We’re not actively pursuing it at this time,” he reassures, but, he adds, “We’re interested in finding out more about it.”
Translation: Las Vegas has the NFR locked up in a contract through 2014, but Cowboys Stadium is aiming to be its new home when that contract expires.
Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority President and CEO Rossi Ralenkotter has seen how aggressively the Cowboys’ posse pursued virtually all of the nation’s other big-ticket events. They managed to lasso this year’s NBA All-Star Game, the 2011 Super Bowl and the 2014 NCAA basketball Final Four. Jones offered $25 million in his bid to snatch the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr. championship boxing match away from Las Vegas, and when that bout fell through, Jones snagged Pacquiao for a fight against a lesser opponent for the same date that the Mayweather fight was expected to occur, March 13.
But would rodeo work in such a big stadium? Would people turn out in big numbers?
The answers came a few days after the NBA shattered attendance records for a single basketball game by drawing 108,000 people to Cowboys Stadium.
Professional Bull Riders Inc., an offshoot of NFR aimed at capitalizing on rodeo’s most popular event, staged its Built Ford Tough Series tour event in Dallas on Feb. 20.
The PBR event drew about 46,000 people — three times the number of people who attend a night of NFR in Las Vegas.
“It was phenomenal,” says Sean Gleason, PBR’s chief operating officer. “The venue is so spectacular, it was almost surreal.”
It was the single biggest one-day performance for a bull-riding event on U.S. soil. About 60,000 had piled into a stadium in Brazil for a PBR World Cup event.
Thomas & Mack is the home of PBR’s signature North American event in the fall, the PBR World Finals, and Gleason stops short of saying whether that event might head down the road.
The main thing Thomas & Mack has going for it, Gleason says, are the promotional partnerships that PBR has with several Las Vegas resorts.
“Las Vegas is the perfect home for our event,” Gleason says.
But he goes on to say: “Our fans are geographically dispersed from the Northwest to the southern tip of Florida and from the Northeast to San Diego.”
The problem is that the Dallas Metroplex is closer to the center of the nation than Las Vegas is, and more than half of PBR’s fans travel from east of the Mississippi to go to the finals in Las Vegas. The PBR’s highest grossing event, in fact, is the one it has at New York’s Madison Square Garden.
For the recent PBR event at Cowboys Stadium, the upper tier of seats was closed off, so the event was a virtual sellout. Jones’ famous 72-by-160-foot video screens, the largest in the world, were lowered to be closer to the rodeo arena dirt to create a unique atmosphere: the excitement of the live performance coupled with high-definition close-ups of performers on the monstrous screens.
Not a bad seat in the house, as the ticket hawkers like to say.
The news releases leading up to the bull-riding event, for example, crowed: “Top PBR superstars will ride in the largest, most technologically advanced entertainment venue in the world.”
Pat Christenson, head of Las Vegas Events and one of the city’s top rodeo ramrods, is painfully aware that Thomas & Mack isn’t even close to being in the same league as Cowboys Stadium. UNLV’s arena, which is the valley’s largest, holds about a sixth as many people as Jones’ stadium. But the bigger problem may be that it’s also 26 years older and showing its age.
Christenson doesn’t think larger capacity is that important to the rodeo’s success but having a more updated facility is.
“I’m hoping that by the time we start discussing contract extensions again with the (Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association) that we’ll at least have a shovel in the ground for a new venue,” Christenson says.
Another of Christenson’s concerns is an economic incentives package put together by the Texas Legislature. Texas’ Events Trust Fund enables cities to recover marketing expenses from the economic boosts those events provide.
The LVCVA provides sponsorship money on a far less sophisticated basis. Basically, what it does is grant money directly as a sponsor, which is a good incentive, but it’s nothing like in Texas where if your event is a huge success you could get most or all of your marketing expenses reimbursed.
Still, at least for the time being, the Professional Rodeo Cowboys Association, sponsor of the National Finals Rodeo, says it has nothing but love for Las Vegas.
In an e-mail, association Commissioner Karl Stressman said, “Las Vegas is the perfect home for the Wrangler National Finals Rodeo. Las Vegas Events and the Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority are great partners, and we look forward to continuing our combined efforts in transforming the world’s most exciting city into ‘Cowboy Town’ each December.”
“The great thing about the rodeo is that we’ve built so much around it,” Christenson says. “What we’ve done over the past eight or nine years is develop spinoff events, and we now have about 20 of them.”
During the 10 days the rodeo is in town, Las Vegas celebrates the western lifestyle with Christmas gift shows, cowboy meet-and-greets and concerts by country stars such as Garth Brooks, Reba McEntire and Tim McGraw. Thirty-five hotels take a live satellite feed of the NFR performances.
But the question for the future will be whether Las Vegas can be more of a cowboy town than Cowboy town can.
A version of this story appears in this week’s In Business Las Vegas, a sister publication of the Sun.
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Competition is a good thing. Even though economic times are tough, we need to make sure we keep the NFR here.
Wouldn't surprise me, after all we stole the NFR from Oklahoma City all those years back when I believe Benny Binion had a lot to do with influencing the event to relocate to Vegas..
People stop thinking in the box, personaly I think Dallas is making a real good bid here.
This should be a wakeup call to our city. We need to update our sports & entertainment facilities. The Thomas & Mack & Sam Boyd Stadium are sadly deteriorated and ancient. If we don't do something about it, we will lose this event and others. We need to step up and act like a real city.
S711
another reason to hate the Cowboys!
" The Thomas & Mack & Sam Boyd Stadium are sadly deteriorated and ancient. If we don't do something about it, we will lose this event and others
This is why Mayor Goodman has been pushing for a new sports complex, and all he gets is crap from everyone about it..
The cowboys may love Vegas, but business is business. If they can get more bang for their buck in Dallas, then that's where they will go. One thing Dallas doesn't have is the number of beds that we have. You can bet that Jerry will be addressing that problem, too.
skemp311: you got that right!!! HTTR
...well that's a start....at least now you realize you need a professional football stadium...I can see this...you can do this....bright new talent ...new young football players...I remember when the Dolphins first started and the Mets in New York ...we all have to begin somewhere...start now.... this is what you need...I still cant believe you dont have a professional football team...what were you thinking...Las Vegas is a hep town... of course you need this ....why not...
Vegas better hopes the economy rebounds by 2014, because I think the writings on the wall for this event and it doesn't look good for this town.
Yes, we could use a new stadium but as in Dallas, Jerry Jones stepped up and used HIS MONEY to build it. Not the tax payers money.
Find someone with an extra BILLION DOLLARS or more and you can get your new stadium. You know as local taxpayers you don't want to pay for it. ;-)
I'm not normally into taxpayer funded stadiums but I think in this particular case we need to build an indoor stadium at UNLV. The rodeo event could be held there along with others while providing new digs for both football & basketball at UNLV, instead of out in the back 40 like it is now.
its asking a lot for government to come up with a billion dollars for a stadium w/o a football team.
vegaslee: We have someone with an extra billion dollars, but he prefers to reinvest the money he makes here in Pennsylvania. I believe that's the Las Vegas definition of "loyalty."
this is just another scare tactic so the construction companies that would build the stadium here can make a bunch of money.
grow up, vegas.
you can't have it both ways. you can't cry "we need job diversity" one second and then turn around and create more tourism jobs.
So, we influenced the NFR to leave Oklahoma City years back, we influenced the Homebuilders back in the 70s to pick Las Vegas...but, we cannot build and pay the way to be all things to all people. It is sad, but it is a fact...the LVCVA, in concert with the casino hotels, must reach out to new markets and find new business. So, if the NFR, according to this article, only makes an impact of $50 Million, how many hundreds of millions will a new facility cost, and how many years will it take to recoup, and wherever will the money come from. There is a lot to be said for the infrastructure that exists with all of the casino hotels, and how certain of the hotel operators have always backed the NFR and its events. The LVCVA should spend some of its advertising money on luring new business here...the Ads do not and have not worked, but only for the good of R&R!
one thing that vegas has clearly and amazingly missed the boat on is doing a music festival like austin's sxsw.
with all the lounges, showrooms, warm weather, convention space, etc. vegas is PERFECT for that.
up and coming bands come to play their music to get new fans and record deals, guitar and amplifier companies come to sell those bands guitars and amps, music magazines come to cover the event.
NOT ONE DIME OF TAX MONEY
NOT ONE DIME......
THIS IS JUST MORE JOBS FOR THE ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND TOURISM INDUSTRIES
MORE MONEY FOR THE EMPLOYERS WHO WON'T CERTIFY THEY USE E-VERIFY
AND MORE MONEY FOR THE POLITICO 'CONNECTED' JOKERS WHO GOT US INTO THIS FINANCIAL MESS
JUST LOOK AT THE 'LAS VEGAS MONORAIL'.....
jerry jones represents all that is wrong with america...
he is all about greed...
he built an outrageous stadium for his beloved cowboys...
the interest on that monstrosity is over a million bucks a day...
and because of that he is going to ruin football...
he is going to eliminate revenue sharing...
so he can service his damn debt...
his greed will ruin football...
his greed will hurt vegas...
make no mistake boys and girls...
this greedy clown is not your friend...
this greedy clown must be knocked down a peg or two...
What comes around, goes around. Vegas put a big bag of money in front of NFR 25 years ago to get them to relocate here - that was when visionaries ran the town, not beancounters. Dallas now has a bigger bag, and a bigger stadium...Vegas has a couple years to figure out how to keep the cowboys here or find another event to replace it - good luck. Otherwise, might as well shut down for December.
Ah, so we finally get a lesson as to how taxes work.
It will cost roughly $400 million to build a new arena that will bring in $50 million a year to the local economy. Just like any investment, you have to spend money to make money.
Understand it now, libertarians?
Las Vegas better be for ponyin' up for a new facility...
Jerry Jones, the smug B*STRD, is a SHREWD DUDE when it comes to bid'ness.
If Jerry Jones wants the NFR, Vegas best git with the program; shucks, mayhap some o' that "new city hall" dough could be re-directed for this, Pard'ner Goodman!
Git er' DONE, Oscar!
Time to Cowboy Up!
Now let's all git out there and punch us some dawgies!
How about bullfighting ???? There are way more Mexicans here then Cowboys.
Serious is right about the R&R money waste, but with the lack of political will in this City/County/State, don't count on any leadership. Hell, these guys can't even stomach layoffs without months of meetings, etc. If they get serious about a new facility, it will take at least $250,000 in "studies" by R&R/Applied Analysis/Restrepo/fill in the blank before anything gets done.
Vegaslee better check his facts on Jerry Jones. The DFW metroplex cities had an outright bidding war on who gave up the most to get that stadium. Nobody in the U.S. has stepped up and built their own stadium without significant taxpayer help.
Jerry Jones looks terrible, who knows if he will be alive in 2014 to steal away the rodeo. He is also soo ego driven he has no one to take over when he die's. This will leave things in shambles for everything he is involved in....which means Vegas will more then likely have the upper hand if old Jerry kicks the bucket!!
While the NFR moving to Texas seems like a natural fit it's not smart financially to uproot something that has been remarkably successful in Vegas just to go to a bigger venue in Texas. I doubt Dallas has the draw that Vegas has for the NFR. Although Jerry's World seats 100,000 people I think it is unlikely that he'll be able to fill those seats after the first year. The NFR is in Vegas because people love coming to our town to spend money for a good time.
Sure, I'd like to see the NFR stay in Las Vegas, BUT, 'Vegas has to do something to make people want to drive/fly there for the rodeo. For instance the cost of a daily rodeo ticket! I paid more for a standing room only ticket for one day than I pay for all the other rodeos I go to in a year in So. California! My hotel room was also many times what I normally have to pay. What makes 'Vegas think you can just keep taking and taking without offering a deal when it comes to the rodeo? The more I think about it --- Good luck Jerry Jones!
Oscar should forget about the NBA, NFL, and NHL. None of them is a good fit for Las Vegas. The fans here will not support a losing team, just look at UNLV. With the Latino population here in the valley Soccer is the sport that our Mayor should be pursuing. Every game would be a sellout. Perfect for other events like the NFR and other major events.
No one watches soccer.
This is precisely why I've been pushing for Las Vegas to build an NFL-style stadium. It wouldn't need to be on the $1 billion level like Cowboys Stadium (Scottsdale's new stadium was only $455 million), but it should be grand enough to attract new events and retain existing ones.
Imagine an NFL-style stadium that could host events like the rodeo, the NFL Pro-Bowl Game, NFL pre-season games, UNLV football, BCS bowl games, World Cup Soccer matches, MLS soccer matches, ESPN's X-Games, NCAA basketball tournament games, major WWE events, boxing and MMA events, the Super Bowl (perhaps), etc. One simply has to look at what Dallas and Scottsdale have hosted in the past couple of years to see the potential for an impressive NFL-style stadium.
People complain about taxpayer money being used to build a stadium, but there's a HUGE difference between building a stadium just for a local pro sports team (which requires locals to support the team after consturction) and attracting large-ticket events that bring tens or hundreds of thousands of fans to your city. A major stadium that could attract big-ticket events would have an enormous revenue multiplier effect in terms of hotels, casinos, restaurants, rental cars, airports, taxis, etc. (Hosting UNLV football and/or an MLS soccer team would be sufficient to get some local revenue to feed back and provide ongoing support for the stadium.)
The saying is as true today as it was when Kevin Costner heard it in an Iowa corn field nearly twenty years ago: "If you build it, [they] will come."
Let Sheldon and Stevie Boy build it.
Newcomer
"The saying is as true today as it was when Kevin Costner heard it in an Iowa corn field nearly twenty years ago: "If you build it, [they] will come."
That was a movie...it's not real life.
Vegaslee, Jerry Jones did spent a lot his money on this new stadium, but the city of Arlington, Tx provided 325 mil with increases in sales, hotel, and rental car taxes. Also the NFL gave Jones 150 mil for a total of 475 mil out 1.15 billion.
When looking at the Cowboys most people see Jerry Jones. But don't overlook his son Stephen
Jones who is much involved behind the scene.
Iime to step up!!!!
Would you support public funds being used to build a new arena in Las Vegas?
NO, NEVER, NO!
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ummm...no.
it costs $400 million...which means it will REALLY cost $600 million.
and if it brings $50 million into the economy...which means it will actually bring $40 million...
it will take what 15 years to break-even?
and as in every single city...after 6 or 7 years whatever sports franchise is lured to that city because of a new stadium threatens to leave if they don't get a newer one.
jerry jones is everything that is RIGHT about america.
he's wealthy. he wants to make MORE money.
good for him.
The Man with the gold makes all the rules.
Vegas can keep it if they get it off UNLV campus! Otherwise, it's another stupid event the fouls up parking and traffic around campus for a week.
Dallas can keep the NBA all-star game.
This all Obama's fault. JJ knows we're weak since people don't blow the college fund here anymore.
hmmm....Pro Bowl in Las Vegas....
So, we influenced the NFR to leave Oklahoma City years back, we influenced the Homebuilders back in the 70s to pick Las Vegas
To Serious:
Thats right, all Mr. Jones is doing is pretty much what Benny Binion did to get the NFR to Las Vegas from Oklahoma City, difference being our present need for a bigger facility, and Las Vegas hotel and restaurant rates aren't what they used to be among other things...this should be a wake-up call, the NFR is a pretty huge event for this town, and right before Christmas and the New Year, on top of it...
SmarterThanYou:
You're actually not..
Being a Nascar/rodeo/PBR fan myself I just ate at Delmonico's..your comments are completely false and unfounded.
And regardless of where they stay they are putting money into the local economy to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
I have most certainly seen fans staying at the Venetian, Mandalay Bay and other several higher end hotels.
Alot of cowboys and Nascar sponsors and teams spend alot of their money here..more than you could ever imagine having. Must suck to be jealous.
I say..you leave first. I welcome them any day of the week.
Texas will never be competative on hotel room rates. Plus who wants to go to Dallas anyway?
This is pure propaganda and the attempt to frontload the peeps mindset into paying for 75% of the project.
The cowboys mostly live in Dallas, Omaha and Cheyenne and would much rather come to Las Vegas than "chase the doggies" at home. Second, the PBR event NEVER sells-out 100% anyway...so adding all this new capacity is needless.
This idea that we implode and rebuild stadiums every 5 years so owners/promoters can increase ticket sales -- AND soak the taxpayer"is part of this living-in-excess addiction we are currently suffering from!
I am sure the "goatropers" can get-by without walking on shiny marble floors behind the "buckin-shoots! Can-I-geta-Yeeehaww?
Jerry Jones wants everything, including trying to buy another championship. I like the guy, hate his team. I hope the NFR stays in Las Vegas, a lot of people look forward to come here for the NFR.
Build a new Arena for The N.F.R but not with public money
Rodeo fans will not want to spend several days in Dallas to do what? Besides the spectacular stadium Big D doesn't hold a candle to Sin City.
There's a reason Vegas has been a top global tourist destination for decades and it has nothing to do with public venues such as the Thomas and Mack.
Jerry Jones built an awesome facility but unfortunately it's located in Anytown USA. He should have put it here instead.
stevem - Vegas' music festival is called Neon Reverb and it's nowhere near comparable to sxsw. It takes place at all the dives downtown. It would be awesome if the strip properties could get together to support something like that.
Oscars new sports complex should be a big hit!! Just like Oscars Neonopolis complex!! The guy's a goofball !!
Who wants to spend 1 day in Dallas let alone 10 days for the NFR. In Vegas they are also able to show the event off to many people from other parts of the World. The NFR takes off from Vegas they are nuts.
i am sure some one will blame obama for this
I think Dan Tanna needs to go to Dallas and thump ole Jerry Jones a few times..
The LVCVA cannot even get the road in front of the Convention Center repaved, how do they expect to get a massive Stadium built? Besides we do not need one anyway.
Are we the Entertainment Capital of the World or what? Well when do we set our eyeballs on Hollywood? Broadway? It is simply ridiculous Jay Leno has to go back to Burbank to do his show. Why?
Why don't we have a 24/7 Las Vegas cable channel???
Problem is we have myopic leaders who have become addicted to these stupid crack fixes which don't do a damn thing for us long term. We need vision not simply another cheap jiggle of our pockets. The way is being show to all...from a silly Pawn Shop Show...to the hottest Nightclub scene in North America. The product is Las Vegas not barrel roping.
As long as the NFR has been to vegas,, I have only been once and that was 25 years ago... To many people in that small arena... Vegas needs a new one with better parking and easier access... If they want to get a hand in building it,, they should have the casinos and hotels put up the money since they make the load of cash that is spent here.... If they want the rooms occupied come december,, better start thinking of a plan to start constructing a arena to be state of art type facility to keep up with the jones gang...Maybe Oscar can call Obuma and ask him to pooh talk Dallas instead of Vegas..... Yea that will go real good i am sure............
In order to keep the NFR we need to build a bigger arena? Well I say Git er done!
Jerry Jones is shrewd. He needs people in those seats and The Rodeo is better than nothing.
You have to remember that Harrahs has put a nice arena on the backburner in Vegas, for good reason! But, it will be developed and nice in the future. The Apollo Group is Dallas people.
Arlington, Texas put up a big number per capita to land the stadium site, consistent with their offerings of a big Six Flaggs, Hurricane Harbor (the country's biggest outdoor water park), and the Ballpark at Arlington (Ranger baseball). While a big public investment was made, everyone will come out ok.
What Jerry Jones has to offer NFL is not just a superlative stadium in size, scale and amenities, but a much bigger DFW population base who have money to support ticket sales and promotion events. This target market does not have to travel more than 40 plus miles by car.
DFW is also a hotbed for country and western music, both live performance and radio.
There is an even larger market beyond DFW in the North Texas region for rodeo to fill seats, as a good number of the stock and certainly horses in NFL come from this prime horse country, areas such as Decatur (home of Trevor Brazile), Justin, Aubrey, Ponder, and so forth. HORSE country.
For those who believe Dallas is without amenities, know that Dallas leads the nation in restaurants per capita, and was in the running for the Olympics prior to Sept 11, which created big new security concerns and expenses.
Dallas was rockin and rolling back in the early 80s, an unbelievable period of time of overbuilding (which led to a bust-correction later).
Competition makes the world go round. Vegas overbuilt room and condo inventory and assigned too much debt on it's hospitality employees. The ability to compete in all areas right now is being sustained only by revenue from China territory.
No offense to Las Vegas, but you can not compete with Dallas. Their economy is thriving and the facility is light years ahead of anything that Vegas has to offer. As far as Vegas getting a NFL stadium? Pro-Bowl, I think that is a good idea but we are not gonna pay for that stadium for a lowly-high school like college football team like UNLV. As for getting a NFL team, it will never happen, market here is too small.
Well Vegas needs to change its image period. The rest of what you call "Anytown" America perceives vegas as a CSI- murder capital, pawn shop, white trash, smut loving, drug capital with drop outs and a University college thats on par with a community college in the midwest. So, after all this is being said, is the desert really that much of fun place to be in. Sorry, not everyone like to eat buffets, gamble and pay five thousand dollars for a room and hooker.
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Great! Maybe I could get a ticket then. It is almost impossible for locals to get a decent seat since the casinos buy up blocks of tickets for the tourists and the travel agencys also buy up blocks as a "bait".
So let the thing go to Dallas and see if they like it and if it can be maintained year after year and if their strategic partners continue to support it. Saying good bye to Vegas, a venue PROVEN to work, is not an easy decision to make no matter what is promised on the other side of the rainbow. Kissing 25 years away is not going to be an easy thing to do. Besides, there are TONS of NFR enthusiasts that hate Texas and Texans and would rather do pay per view than give one cent to people in the state.
And if they leave Vegas will survive. I don't know if the plans have stalled on the steel wheel train from LV to CA, but if things move along then maybe that'll make up for losing this one event.
If anything, people in other states are in board rooms saying to their members: "For crying out loud, we're not Vegas! What are we going to do to get people here!"
see if the state of nevada can get some stimulus money to get the ball rolling; forget city hall, build it later. picture dallas stadium sitting in las vegas; instant charisma. have the o man and harry put the squeeze on the nfl to put a team here.
100,000 seat stadium for the rodeo and then WHAT!! After the events, what are they going to do in Dallas, go back to the hotel room? At least in Vegas, the entertainment options are world class and numerous. What city officials need to do to keep the rodeo in Vegas is to offer even more incentives to keep the rodeo here. Work with the hotel operators and give them more than what Dallas can offer. Dallas cannot match what Las Vegas can offer. The rodeo brings in more than enough visitors from all over the world, hotels can afford to be even more hospitable to the thousands of loyal rodeo fans.