Even UNLV’s nursing school steels for budget cuts
Instructor Rhigel Alforque-Tan teaches Medical/Surgical Nursing inside the Bigelow Health Sciences building on the campus of UNLV in Las Vegas Monday, March 1, 2010.
Wednesday, March 3, 2010 | 2 a.m.
By the numbers
6.9% -- The drop in state funding for UNLV and the rest of the state’s university system approved by the Legislature. University officials will do a review of all academic programs, and as many as seven might be eliminated.
380 -- The number of students enrolled in the School of Nursing at UNLV — 200 undergraduate students, 150 master’s students and 30 doctorate candidates. The program is one of the most successful at UNLV.
$5 million -- The annual operating budget of the nursing school. It’s relatively expensive because of clinical settings and low student-faculty ratio required for accreditation. It also brings in about $1 million a year in grants.
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Of all the deans at UNLV whose schools may face painful budget cuts, you might think Carolyn Yucha would get a free pass. Her School of Nursing is one of the most successful on campus. In a state starved for more nurses, nearly 96 percent of UNLV’s nursing students passed the national certification licensure exam in 2009, 7 percent better than the national average.
So the fact that the nursing school is being considered for cuts — or even more implausibly, outright elimination — might seem hard to fathom.
But Yucha knows her program is a target because it is one of the more expensive academic programs at UNLV. Training nurses is intrinsically more expensive than teaching English literature or math.
And so even as the university president was hosting a campus town-hall meeting Tuesday with students to kick around what kinds of cuts UNLV needs to make to satisfy the demands of the Legislature, Yucha was bracing herself for a hit.
Maybe she could close the pediatric nurse practitioner master’s program. After all, it’s only getting about four applicants annually, and it could take twice that many to be most efficient. Lopping it off would save $120,000 — the cost of one faculty position — she figured.
That kind of savings won’t make much of a dent, but Yucha says it’s the only low-demand program in her school. Cutting other nursing programs would reduce enrollment at a time when the community needs more nurses, she said.
“No matter what we do, or what the president ends up deciding, someone’s going to say the wrong thing was cut,” Yucha said. “We just have to make the best case we can for ourselves.”
UNLV administration has identified the School of Nursing as one of the university’s 20 most expensive programs, and those most susceptible to budget cuts in order to meet a 6.9 percent reduction in state funding for higher education. That target was adopted by the Legislature in special session, and comes on the heels of budget cuts totaling 24 percent at UNLV since 2007.
Many less expensive campus initiatives have gotten the ax. This time around, UNLV is aiming for fiscal prudence and expediency.
“The smaller the cost of the program, the more of those you’re going to have to eliminate to hit the target,” UNLV Provost Michael Bowers said. “We thought it would be most efficient to look at the top 20.”
In the coming weeks, Bowers will meet individually with deans to discuss each program’s relative merits.
“We’re going to look at faculty productivity, scholarly output and how critical the program is to the university’s mission,” Bowers said. “What kind of contribution does it make to the community?”
Yucha is ready to make her case.
The nursing program, with 200 undergraduate students, 150 master’s students and 30 doctorate candidates, operates on an annual budget of about $5 million. It’s relatively expensive because of the clinical settings and low student-faculty ratio required for accreditation. Bumping up class sizes to save money isn’t an option.
On the flip side, the nursing school brings in about $1 million annually in research and educational grants.
Greg Hylander, a senior nursing student at UNLV, said he moved to Las Vegas from Massachusetts specifically to enroll in the program, in part because its strong reputation should help him land a job more quickly than if he had graduated from elsewhere.
And that’s another factor that should weigh in the nursing program’s favor during the evaluation process — graduates are practically assured of getting good jobs.
For that reason, Yucha suggests that rather than cut her program, the cost of tuition for nursing students should be increased as a way to close the budget gap.
The cost of private nursing degree programs locally are from two to three times as expensive as UNLV.
“Given that not many other educational programs can make that kind of guarantee (of postgraduate employment), it seems reasonable to me that students should pay more,” Yucha said.
The state’s colleges and universities charge students the same tuition regardless of the academic field they pursue. Shortly after being appointed president of UNLV last summer, Neal Smatresk said he wanted to pursue the possibility of moving to a system of differentiated tuition, which would take into account the costs associated with specific programs.
Smatresk
Holli Hall, another senior nursing student at UNLV, said she supports different levels of tuition, particularly if it means an even higher level of instructional quality.
“I would expect to be that much more prepared when I get out in the real world,” Hall said. “A higher price for a better education — I’d be more than willing to pay for that.”
The alternative — to cut the nursing program — is a shortsighted option, she says. The state’s nursing shortage is one of the nation’s worst, and if UNLV were to turn out fewer graduates “it would put a larger strain on nurses who are currently working and contribute to more burnout,” Hall said. “That’s only going to mean a worse situation in the end.”
On Thursday, with the backing of the state’s higher ed presidents, system Chancellor Dan Klaich plans to broach the topic of differentiated tuition with the Board of Regents, whose approval would be needed.
Such a policy would have to be adopted systemwide, Klaich said.
“If there were a higher fee for nursing students at UNLV, it would have to be higher at UNR,” Klaich said. “I don’t feel comfortable imposing higher costs on a student just because they live in a different area.”
Chancellor Dan Klaich
Differentiated tuition, which is growing in popularity nationally as many states struggle with severe budget shortfalls, “is an important piece of our overall ability to become more self-sustaining,” Klaich said.
But for now, the urgent focus is budget cuts.
The regents have laid out much of the process for reviewing academic programs, and individual campuses will use those guidelines. UNLV’s Faculty Senate on Tuesday will vote to elect six of its members — five from the academic disciplines and one administrator — to serve on an evaluation committee. They will hear presentations from each program and make recommendations to the provost and president. As many as seven departments will face elimination.
“In a very real way, this is collaborative governance,” said John Filler, chairman of the Faculty Senate. “Our job is to step up and work with the administration.”
He described the mood on campus as apprehensive, noting, “people realize the university is at stake. Some of our best programs are on that list — the question is whether or not the state can afford the quality.”
UNR President Milton Glick on Monday released a preliminary list of programs being considered for cuts at his campus, including reorganizing the College of Agriculture, Biotechnology and Natural Resources, and eliminating some degree programs including animal science, applied economics, German, French and Italian.
Though the process will be painful, Glick pointed out that it’s better than the alternative — having the higher ed system be forced to declare financial exigency, which would mean acknowledging there isn’t enough revenue to meet expenses. That move might allow campus presidents to move more quickly because personnel contracts could be more easily adjusted, but it would have one big drawback.
“We would become the national poster child for a failed higher ed system,” Glick said. “Program reviews are just the healthier way to go.”
UNR Professor Eric Herzik — chairman of both the political science and the math departments — said he’s expecting significant scrutiny with multiple levels of review.
“If your program is cut you’re going to be unhappy, but we don’t want this to be arbitrary,” Herzik said. “We’re also trying to avoid an attitude of, ‘you cost a lot, so you’re gone’ or ‘you’re small, so you’re gone.’ A program might be small and outstanding. We’re trying to preserve that balance.”
Two years ago, as the state’s budget crisis began, Herzik was called in to defend the university’s Basque studies center. The program ended up surviving with reduced funding and the loss of two full-time staff positions.
But this time around, “It’s a question of what we can live without,” Herzik said. “Instead of, ‘Can I justify my program’s existence?’ it’s ‘Do we lose German or resource economics or speech communications?’ We’re not going to solve this by nipping around the edges. People will be laid off.”
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Since Steve Wynn decided to refuse to help the state during the last Special Session, maybe he could be a good citizen, step up, and help the university system now? Elaine is doing her part.
The Nursing area would be the absolute last place where you would want to cut the budget. Inviting such as idea would qualify you for a CAT Scan.
IMO, SHAME ON UNLV FOR THINKING THEY ARE POLITICALLY SAVVY AND PRETENDING LIKE THEY WOULD GET RID OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PROGRAMS JUST FOR ATTENTION.
In my opinion, the President of UNLV thinks that we are all idiots and is pretending like he is going to get rid of the best programs at the university just for attention. A reasonable President would get rid of a department where the majority of the students do not receive jobs related to that major.
HERE'S THE CHICKEN LITTLE STATEMENT OF THE WEEK:
"..."We would become the national poster child for a failed higher ed system," Glick said. "Program reviews are just the healthier way to go."..."
NO MORE OF MY TAX MONEY TO SUPPORT THE ULTRA-LOW TUITION.
IF YOU EDU-CRATS CAN'T BALANCE A BUDGET TO AVOID 'FINANCIAL EXIGENCY' (HIGHER ED FOR BANKRUPTCY)
TOO BAD.
START BY GETTING RID OF ALL THE TENURED 'EDUCATED IDIOTS' WHO POLISH A CHAIR ALL DAY
AND THE BLOATED ADMINISTRATIVE 'DO NOTHING' GIGS.
YOU PEOPLE ARE AS BAD AS THE U.N.......
One way to save the nursing school is to close the un-needed Dental School (dentist on every corner) and close the medical school (We have Touro Univ. and could ship students to Ca where they could be educated cheaper and better. Close the residency programs at UMC. Do we really need a Plastic Surgery Residency program?
Why don't some of the ultra-wealthy in this community endow some nursing chairs to reduce the cost of running this program? They'd get their name associated with a helping profession. How about the Steve Wynn Chair in Medical- Surgical Nursing? Or the Sheldon Adelson Chair in Maternal-Child Nursing? The cost of endowing a chair would be chump change to them.
Medical and Science programs have to be the most expensive to teach. I think a differential tuition is going to have to be implemented, and is a great idea. That way the dollars put in from a student are directly related to what they want to do and support.
And the programs being on the table are not for getting attention, please. During the budget session, and before NV was warned services would be cut. Here is example 1. Don't like it, well tell your legislature next time that education is important.
Makes perfect sense-- the solution to our nursing shortage is to close or cut back the nursing school.
The other departments on the block are high tech so of course we will have no chance at those industries in the future. Smart planning.
You don't need to go to college to turn sheets, deal cards, or park cars.
To Samson1
If they get rid of the resident program at UMC who do you think will help take care of the patients there. There isn't enough Doctors there to take care of the huge amount of patients there.
I can't believe that some of you really think that they would shut down the nursing school. IMO, Smastresk is bluffing and he's just trying to get sympathy for UNLV. Would many people care that must if he cut geography, entertainment engineering, history, or religion? IMO, No, but if I say that I am going to get rid of one of the most critical programs, maybe people are dumb enough to believe my bluff and we won't have to cut as much from our budget!
The list of UNR cuts is sobering:
http://www.rgj.com/article/20100302/NEWS...
The proposal cuts 75 faculty and staff positions, but only accounts for $11 million of the $15 million that needs to be cut. More layoff announcements will come closer to June.
Compared to the private sector, this may seem small potatoes. But you have to take into account that the future of Nevada rides on the ability of the state to raise the level of education among the populace so that we're not a community of casino millionaires and tip-dependent bellhops.
I would like to hear them cut the athletic programs. Those types of programs need to be privately funded... cutting other departments is insane when our nation is slipping in higher education compared to other countries. Also some crazy cuts are going on in the Business School compared to nursing... of course you don't read that on here
To Bebe:
While I agree residents can help in patient care. They are NOT cost effective. A resident gall bladder operation on average takes 3 times longer and has 10 times the complication rate of a trained surgeon. Residents in un-needed areas such as Plastic Surgery can be eliminated. Clearly in other more needed areas like Obstetrics and Surgery harder decisions would be necessary.
"Would many people care that must if he cut geography, entertainment engineering, history, or religion?"
It's a matter of numbers - if there are more history majors than nursing majors, and if running the History Department costs less than running a Nursing School, then History stays and Nursing goes. Entertainment Engineering is a part of the Engineering School, which is fairly big as well. And there are no majors or minors in geography or theology, just classes that are subsets of other programs. So you can cut them, but the savings would be minimal.
Look at UNR - they're cutting the Ag College (which, IMO, is really dumb), as well as doctorate programs in Education, Foreign Languages, Business, Anthropology and Political Science. 11 Bachelor's Degrees and 20 Master's and Doctorate degrees will simply cease to exist.
@ lvsreader, Thats why those students won't stay in Nevada, because the jobs are not here due to poor business diversification.
@ Nvapple, UNLV has no divinity program or geography program to start with, and entertainment is pretty big in NV, so cutting that would be also directly detrimental to our economy. History has to be leagues cheaper than Medical, dental, and law as well.
NVApple,
UNLV does not have an obligation to provide training for nurses, so if it is most cost-effective to cut it then maybe they should. You are always spouting that government should be run like a business and cutting a very costly program like nursing sounds like a good business decision to me. It is not a ploy by the president to engender sympathy from the public.
In my opinion, may of you are all easily fooled into political manipulation. I doubt that they are going to get rid of the nursing school, but it catches your attention, doesn't it? IMO, It is a ploy to get sympathy.
Right, you keep on believing that it's a ploy to get sympathy. I'll keep on believing you're wrong.
Douglas, bookmark this page and come back to it in a few months so that I can tell you, "I told you so"!
You ever hear of the expression "plan for the worst, but hope for the best"?
No, I suppose not.
Our state definitely can't afford to lose medical professionals. I hope that the school is able to maintain the program.
In the end, if the legislature had cut more from the budgets, as originally proposed, then the nursing school would be in a worse position.
DouglasDemocrat:
The next time you are hospitalized, ring the beside call bell for a history major.
Nursing schools belong in the private sector.
"The next time you are hospitalized, ring the beside call bell for a history major."
I didn't say I agreed with it. I simply pointed out that if you're going to make cuts in degree programs, there is going to be a cost-benefit analysis as to:
1) How many people enroll and graduate in that program, and
2) How much the program costs.
If History programs enroll more students and cost less for the university to operate than a Nursing program, then that's what they will choose to keep.
Again, I point out that UNR is looking at cutting their Ag College completely, as well as eliminating many upper-level programs in the liberal arts. They made the cost-benefit analysis and chose those programs are the ones that aren't worth keeping from an economic sense.
Douglas, there is more to life than money and you can't simply say that a major is "too expensive" when that major is critically needed to the local economy. Maybe you can graduate 500 history majors for the same cost as 100 nursing students, but the bottom line s that we need the skills of 100 nurses more than 500 history majors. So like I said, IMO, this is a ploy to get sympathy because the UNLV administration thinks that we are all idiots to fall for it.
I'm with Douglas--UNLV isn't in the public service business. It's a corporation like Blockbuster video (which is facing a few financial issues itself). If the nursing dept. is a financial disaster, it's going to face budget cuts. And by the way, no career is recession proof. A lot of nurses and doctors are having trouble with their student loans.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/2009...
http://finance.yahoo.com/college-educati...
"Douglas, there is more to life than money and you can't simply say that a major is "too expensive" when that major is critically needed to the local economy."
Actually you can - a university is also in the business of maximizing the education it provides. So you have two competing demands on the university, and bottom line is the maximization argument is going to win.
Graduating 500 history majors is more economical to the university than graduating 100 nursing students.
Do I like it? No, but having worked in education I know that this is how it's gonna play out - it doesn't matter how popular or how beneficial a particular program is. If the amount of graduates does not justify the cost, it goes.
The most dangerous people are those that think that they know what they are talking about even when they don't. Your comments lead me to believe that you are in that category.
I'm glad you say you don't like it Douglas...you are right...graduating 500 history majors is more economical except they is NO demand for them so they too will end up on unemployment while the nurses will immediately begin paying into the system as they have a job waiting for them!
To: Samson1
There are two types of colleges: private (for profit) and public (funded by government and state). Schools like, Touro University are private and do not suffer from budget cuts and will not save UNLV nursing school. Private schools like these have incredibly higher tuition rates and do not get money from the government or state like UNLV does.
In your defense, however; it would be a loss to see UNLV close their nursing program simply because students would end up going to private schools and pay about $10,000 more a year. My problem with this situation is that the majority of private schools here in Las Vegas are not about "QUALITY EDUCATION." All they care about is making money. I have worked in private education and trust me, I would hate to experience blood being drawn from some of the students. Many do not get the proper education and training necessary to become professionals.
Nonetheless, the budget cuts are going to take place no matter what and while many may disagree with me I believe the only solution to keep UNLV's nursing program is to raise tuition rates by a couple hundred dollars a year. For those that do not have that extra money; there are student loans. Some refuse to get student loans but at this day in age they should not be thrust aside. We have two choices: paying an extra hundred dollars a year or going to a private school and paying more than a couple thousand dollars a year?
I recently applied for graduate school for the fall 2010 semester and the thought of my department closing puts me in a dilemma. I refuse to go to a private school and pay thousands of dollars extra a year. I'd much rather pay a couple extra hundred dollars a year and get a QUALITY EDUCATION. Even if it means getting student loans.
"One way to save the nursing school is to close the un-needed Dental School (dentist on every corner) and close the medical school (We have Touro Univ. and could ship students to Ca where they could be educated cheaper and better. Close the residency programs at UMC. Do we really need a Plastic Surgery Residency program?"
Samson 1 is dead on here.
and while they're at it close the Law School too. we have plenty of heavy hitters, and plenty of dentists on every corner. the purpose of these programs (law, medicine, dentistry) in a small population state like ours is mainly to add "prestige" to the school system.
totally un-needed as we live next to a state with a surplus of all of these professions.
Well Sheila, you're probably right about no demand for 500 history majors. With the economy the way it is, there won't be any demand for engineering majors or computer programmers or accountants either. Let's get rid of those departments too. There is zero demand for school teachers now--teachers are being laid off. And in some parts of the country, even nurses can't find work because cities are broke, like in Detroit. By the way, wasn't Carly Fiorina a history major?