Men in a women’s World Series of Poker tourney: Can, should they be kept out?
The World Series of Poker wants to ban men from a ladies event but fears it can’t. Some want the event to fold.
Chris Morris / Special to the Sun
Tuesday, June 29, 2010 | 2 a.m.
Two of a kind
A man put a tampon atop his cards at the table. He was penalized two rounds’ worth of hands. “He was there to mock women and he should have been banned from the tournament,” one female poker pro said. Professional player Shaun Deeb came to the tournament dressed in drag, complete with lipstick, a wig and what appeared to be braless falsies. He apologized in a video and said he had entered the event after losing a proposition bet.Reader poll
Poker tables have long been bastions of male chauvinism where the cigar smoke swirls and the testosterone-fueled banter veers into the X-rated.
The gaming industry has always known that most women who play the game don’t like the way men treat them at poker tables, but the casinos would like to see as many women as possible anteing up.
And that’s why what happened in a World Series of Poker women’s tournament sponsored by Harrah’s at the Rio this month has stirred up such a ruckus.
A dozen or so men crashed the $1,000 buy-in Ladies No-Limit Hold ’em Championship that wrapped up June 14 with a victory by French player Vanessa Hellebuyck. She beat 1,053 fellow competitors, including the men, to capture $192,132 and a winner’s bracelet.
But her victory was treated as an afterthought, given the amount of attention and debate the party crashers have generated on poker websites since then.
This is not the first time men have entered the event, but this year’s number was the highest — and some of their antics are not likely to be forgotten anytime soon, especially by female players.
“This is the most prestigious tournament for women in the world,” says Las Vegas author and poker pro Susie Isaacs, a two-time winner of the event. “This is regal for us. It’s our Olympics. Women from all over the world save up their money to play in this tournament, so to have a man take even one of your chips is horrible. Allowing men into this event is like taking a beer party into a Mass. It’s wrong and it’s not the place.”
The incident that created the most ire was a man putting a tampon atop his cards at the table. He was penalized two rounds’ worth of hands, meaning he lost some chips that two players in each hand are required to supply — known as the big and small blinds — along with the possibility of good cards that could have been used to go after opponents’ chips.
“He was there to mock women and he should have been banned from the tournament,” says Las Vegas poker pro and political consultant Nancy Todd Tyner, the 2008 World Poker Tour ladies champion. “Harrah’s missed the boat on that. Using a tampon as a card protector is offensive. A two-round penalty is nothing.”
Shaun Deeb video statement
Then there was professional player Shaun Deeb, who dressed in drag, complete with lipstick and a wig. Deeb later apologized in an Internet video clip to anyone he offended with his outfit, saying he dressed in drag after losing a prop bet — an often quirky side wager that is common among poker players. But he also defended his participation as a form of protest against gender-segregated events.
The fact that this happened at a tournament known worldwide for its prestige highlights a big problem for Harrah’s: How does the company maintain the tournament’s commitment to encouraging women to play without breaking the law?
Harrah’s thinks barring men from the ladies event could be sex discrimination and worries that it could spur a lawsuit.
But Harrah’s wishes it could keep men out of the ladies tournament.
“Generally these men fall into a category of publicity-seeking players who can’t succeed in male-dominated tournaments,” World Series spokesman Seth Palansky says. “They’re disrespectful and immature.
“Our goal is to give women a comfortable environment, a nonthreatening environment to play poker. It’s a way to help women participate in the World Series. If we had a choice, we would not have men playing in these events.”
Palansky shudders at the thought of a man one day winning the ladies tournament. “We wouldn’t be giving the pink diamond-encrusted bracelet to a man, I can assure you of that,” he says.
Last September at the Borgata in Atlantic City, Abraham Korotki of New Jersey won a $300 buy-in women’s event and took home the $20,982 prize. The woman who finished second, Nicole Rowe of New York, told the Philadelphia Daily News she had hoped to win the tournament so she could pay living expenses while recuperating from a planned mastectomy.
The World Series ladies event has been held annually since 1977, when the tournament was at Binion’s Horseshoe in downtown Las Vegas. It started as a Mother’s Day event for the wives and girlfriends of men who were playing in the World Series. Slowly, over the years, some of the world’s top female poker players began participating.
Today, some top women players refuse to enter the ladies championship, but not because it allows men to enter. Rather, they argue that women are just as good as men at poker and therefore should focus on events for members of both sexes. Among them is Annie Duke, who blogged after the ladies event that her preference would be to have that championship removed from the World Series schedule.
As one who plays in the ladies event, Tyner disagrees and says the women’s field is so deep with talent that she doesn’t mind if men join the field so they will learn a lesson in “humility.”
Still other women oppose having the men invade their event, arguing that the ladies tournament is a great way to get women to participate in the World Series, especially those who may still be reluctant to play against men. They suggest that Harrah’s create a separate all-male tourney or another open event to dissuade men from entering the ladies championship.
At this year’s ladies event, the traditional “shuffle up and deal” start to the championship was announced by poker pro Linda Johnson of Las Vegas, who was playing in her 30th consecutive tournament. Johnson, one of the world’s top female players, won the bracelet in the 1997 World Series $1,500 seven-card razz tournament, an open event. She’s certainly not afraid to play against men.
Johnson told the Sun the reason the women’s event still exists — and the reason she competes in it — has nothing to do with the skill level of the opposition. Rather, it’s the friendly atmosphere and the opportunity to talk with female competitors who have shared interests. The kind of loud arguments that often erupt at male-dominated tables are almost never seen at women’s events, she says.
“Playing with ladies is enjoyable because I don’t get to do it that often,” she says. “When I play in open events I’m often the only woman at the table. The talk is often about sports and the cocktail waitress, things I’m not interested in.”
One thing that bothered Johnson about this year’s event was the rousing cheers that erupted in the room whenever one of the men “busted out” of the tournament.
“I didn’t think that was right,” she said. “The men should have just been ignored.”
The desire to create more playing opportunities for women in poker — where put-downs of female players by men are still heard in card rooms throughout the country — is why such outlets as the High Heels Poker Tour and Ladies International Poker Series were created.
“The intent of the ladies event at the World Series is to bring more women into the game, and it should continue as such,” High Heels founder Lauren Failla says. “Each year more women are playing live, and the World Series provides an opportunity for all women to play together.”
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Isn't that what the meaning of a "Ladies" tournament is? To let LADIES play in it. Hold a "Men's" tournament at the same time with equal stakes and payouts and there will be no discrimination claims to be made. Even without that, there's so much opportunity for these guys to play, I say let the ladies have their tournament and leave them alone. By the way, I am a GUY! I personally have no problem with the gals humiliating these guys when they bust out either, serves them right.
Hell yeah men should be able to compete in this tournament. Trying barring women from a tournament and see where that leads you, right into a courtroom. But once again we get treated to the double standards in this country when it comes to race and gender and who's allowed to "discriminate" and who is not.
WE Want Equality! We want to go into any workout facility, but we want women's only too. We want to play in open sports leagues, but also women's only. We want to play in the main open poker events, and a women's only too. May be something to the old stereotypes and jokes....
This is why we need a woman president. At least we wouldn't have to pay her as much!
World Series Of Poker should be open to all sexes, religions, creed, and nationality. The guys should be respectful to the ladies and not maroons like Shaun Dweeb..
LOL. This is so stupid. As long as they make a "Mens" game there is no discrimination. It is like the womens wimbleton, etc.
If men would not be such testostrone based a**'s many times then women would not mind playing against them.
It is like a guy said on the boards the other day...."well teaching is one thing that women excel at..."
I just think that having a ladies event is a big waist of time' let them all play together. Also that ladies event bracelet is not worth as much as the rest of them. And im not talking about the money neather.
Great illustration!
Continuing to have a Ladies-only tourney is the moral equivalent of having tourneys desigated as Whites-only, AfricanAmerican-only, U.S.Citizen-only, etc.
People are SO up tight. Ladies only tourney is fine!
There's absolutely nothing wrong with a ladies only tourney. The guys who crashed this are complete idiots.
I'll be there this weekend to check it out!
How about a "whites only" poker game or a "gay only" tournament??
I think a ladies only tourney is fine. I think the LPGA is great. All womens sports, I think are great. However, these male losers are not totally to blame. Events of the last twenty years such as Michelle Wie playing on the regular tour, parents suing schools to allow their daughters to participate in men's sports and so on leads to this kind of thing.
Brave are those Men who dare . . .
"Sports" competitions are the last remaining bastion of "seperate but equal". My view is that if there is no male-only contest then a female-only contest is not needed or justifiable.
Having a gender specific category for any competition implies that one gender can not compete evenly with the other. To say that women are not capable of competing on an equal footing with men, or vice versa, in poker is ludicrous.
Just get rid of the women's tournament.
Get rid of the Ladies Only event. If women want to play they ought to play in the main event with the men.
If women poker players can't stand the heat, they should get out of the kitchen. After they make me a pie!
let the women do what they want as long as i dont have to play cards w/them; men are easier to read than women; a woman can get away with murder with those come hither eyes. woof,woof.
While I host ladies only tournaments in Las Vegas, the purpose is to "introduce" them to the poker tables if they've never played live! If some women choose to only play ladies tournaments, so be it. Pink Ladies Poker Tour's goal is to educate poker playing women and encourage them to be competitive poker players and be forces to be reckoned with in the fast growing poker world, because they're good players-not because they're women! Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but in my opinion, canceling the Ladies WSOP or any other ladies tournament would be a travesty! Let us have our fun too!
if a ladies tournament can ban men then a men's tournament can ban women. since no one would ever allow the latter to happen, the former is out as well. if the men are only entering the women's tourney to be crude and cause a disturbance and are disrespecting the game and its players then they should be removed from the event. stricter code of conduct rules will solve this problem.
I think that cbarrious has it right, let the boys play if the want but have a much stricter code of conduct.
Poker is a game of brains not braun (so to speak) so it really shouldn't matter who plays. It's quite different with physical sports where most men have a clear and distinct advantage... that being said, if they want a 'ladies only' tourny then I say go for it.... BUT, Ladies, don't be offended or upset if the men choose to hold a 'mens only tourny' as well. We already have enough double-standards with events such as the 'Miss America' pageant and the 'Miss BLACK America pageant'.... wherein you can enter Miss America regardless of your race, color, creed.... and who knows, maybe a white woman CAN enter the Miss Black America pageant (don't know because I never heard of one trying).... but how in the hell does a white woman become Miss BLACK America (should she be deemed the 'winner')... So we really don't need to start more double-entendre's now within the world of card playing.
If the purpose the women's event is getting more ladies to play in the WSOP, maybe they should establish a rookie's tournament - for players who have never entered a WSOP event. It would get more women *and* men to stick their toes into the WSOP pool, without fear of being eaten by sharks.
That said, look at the audience. If you ran 3 events concurrently - a men's, a women's and an open (same buy-in, structure, etc.) The open would have the greatest interest, followed by the women's event, then the men's event. The majority of WSOP events are open, followed by a single women's event. The lack of a men's event could be seen as simple supply and demand.
Finally, if Harrah's really want's to put a positive spin on this whole thing, then next year run a battle of the sexes event. A men's and a women's tournament, run at the same time, with the winners from each side going heads up for the gender title. How exciting would that be?
Great food for thought, TN_Fireman :)
A "Whites Only" or a "Gays Only".... tad bit melodramtic, ya think. I'd rather entertain TN_Fireman's CONSTRUCTIVE suggestions.
TN Fireman
I like your suggestion, a rookie event would be a better idea than men's events and women's events. I also like the idea of a battle of the sexes event. In other sports there are ranking systems and events are entered based on one's rank rather than one's gender/race/religon why not go that route with poker tournaments?
Separate but equal has already been ruled illegal in the courts, with the exception of physical sporting events. Why should this be any different? People cannot have it both ways; if it is wrong for the majority then it is wrong for the so-called minority as well.
In my opinion the long-standing argument in events such as these for the "oppressed" that this is the only way to play or participate in a non-hostile manner is a copout for both sides. Change the rules and the codes of conduct more importantly enforce them. It is really that simple.
Well, if they are doing so well that they can turn away money, do what makes you happy!!!
Who cares.. Really now if you are an obnoxious loser that has to enter a ladies tourney to make yourself feel manly then go right ahead... Only shows how weak you are as a man... Just saying...........
Stupid. Idiotic PR move. Taking something that has great intent and using it for their platform. Bah! I say bullcrap. Also, if it was simply your platform, you wouldn't be battling to win. I'm guessing your the guy who tried to hit the girls in dodgeball...lil anger issue??
Ever have a guys night out? Did you take your wife? No, you didn't... Have you ever entered an "employee" tourney..when you don't work there? How about heading to the bathroom with the girls to powder your nose, they always seem to travel there in packs..Have you thought about joining the pink ladies? no, you haven't. How about trying for a spot on the WNBA? ..didn't think so.
Have you thought of joining a gay pride parade?Are you planning to picket the next seniors event because your under 60? no, your not.
Here's the skinny...There is nothing wrong with a specialized event. For any cause or reason. If you join a gender or age specific tourney, what's the harm? There isn't any.
So, are you now going to try and head to the ladies room instead of the mens when you have to find relief? Are you going to stalk the next cancer benefit cause you oppose that it isn't for MD? no, your not.
If you truly have issues you want to be heard...Get off your arse and use a lil drive to create something for your cause. (let me know cause I love to give and play in charitable events)
I think Fireman has a great idea and it should be expanded on. At the same time, I think there is no reason that you can't have tourney's for specific groups whether it's men, women or any other catagory.
Grow up and get a life.