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Thursday, June 3, 2010 | 2:04 a.m.
The president of the United States, the Organization of American States, the United Nations, mayors of major cities and, of course, the illegal immigrants are all against the recently passed Arizona immigration law. There have been protest marches, threats of boycotts and threats of lawsuits.
The solution to the Arizona immigration law problem is quite simple. Not one person or organization has said one word about the immigration laws of Mexico. Congress should replace the current U.S. immigration laws with the current Mexican immigration laws, then enforce them. The Arizona law would be moot.
Hey John: Because Mexico would complain about it. LOL
President Obama and Mexican President Felipe Calderon joined hands on 5-19-10, blasting Arizona's immigration law (Arizona SB 1070 which implements the Federal law), with Obama calling the legislation a "misdirected effort" after Calderon slammed it a discriminatory.
The next day as Mexican President Felipe Calderon ripped Arizona's new law clamping down on illegal immigrants in front of Congress on 5-20-10, Democrats and White House officials rose to their feet to cheer, including Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Janet Napolitano -- two officials who have confessed to not even reading the law.
In Mexico there is NO 'reasonable suspicion' clause like in AZ. Mexico can pick up an American at their whim.
The Los Angeles Times reported that the newly passed Arizona immigration "bill, known as SB 1070, makes it a misdemeanor to lack proper immigration paperwork in Arizona. It also requires police officers, if they form a 'reasonable suspicion' that someone is an illegal immigrant, to determine the person's immigration status."
Its current FEDERAL LAW U.S. Code 1306, that legal immigrants must carry identifying papers; "reasonable suspicion," a term mocked by the law's critics including Obama as creating the opportunity for racial profiling, is not a new legal concept and is embedded in law.
Reasonable suspicion is a legal standard in United States law that a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity based on specific and articulable facts and inferences. It is the basis for an investigatory or Terry stop by the police and requires less evidence than probable cause, the legal requirement for arrests and warrants. Reasonable suspicion is evaluated using the "reasonable person" or "reasonable officer" standard, in which said person in the same circumstances could reasonably believe a person has been, is, or is about to be engaged in criminal activity; such suspicion is not a mere hunch. Police may also, based solely on reasonable suspicion of a threat to safety, frisk a suspect for weapons, but not for contraband like drugs. A combination of particular facts, even if each is individually innocuous, can form the basis of reasonable suspicion. Reasonable suspicion is also sometimes called "arguable suspicion"
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Does OBAMA not believe in the jurist prudence principles of Reasonable Suspicion and Probable Cause.
This is a good letter and helps to contrast the insanity and unjust position of the administration with the popular support for the Arizona law with the American people.
The Obama administration made move to deny local Arizona law enforcement from continuing the illegal alien enforcement partnership that was ongoing. Napalitano and Holder were trying to keep the Sheriff in Phoenix from doing his job.
The state legislature reacted by making the same crime also a state crime so enforcement didn't require permission from the Obama administration with all the open border advocates having influence.
The federal reaction is a political reaction as they want to ignore the immigration laws and want no one else to enforce them either. This isn't about profiling, this is about a political agenda in Washington to not enforce the law.
Arizona is to be commended for attempting to fix a serious problem in their State. The federal government should be ashamed that they choose to ignore a blatant abuse of their own immigration laws.
Mr. Lovelace has written a very good letter.
Please join us in support of Gov. Jan Brewer.
www.info@janbrewer.com
Nothing will be done about enforcement of existing law (which is actually sufficient) until it is made clear to our elected representitives in Washington that we will vote them out unless they do something about it. This must be a prime issue in November.
The President and his administration are willfully refusing to enfoce the law, surely Congress can bring action on this to force his hand if they wanted to.
Why not consider adopting Mexican immigration laws?
Perhaps because we are not Mexico? We are better than that. We have a Constitution that over the past 200+ years has served us well. If you want to live under Mexico's Immigration Laws I would suggest that you move there and notl et the door hit your bum on the way out.
We have Immigration laws, our government could care less about upholding them.
To Fossy and Rhooster, our government has a hard enough time controlling our own 50 states, and when they make a lame attempt at correcting anything they just screw it up even more. We the people have got a problem with voting in true United States citizens who actually care about the people who make up our country, why should we add more problems to what we already have?
These other countries can fend for them selves. We don't need more lowscaled labor from the south and Canada is doing a great job on her own.
Excellent letter as I also had difficulties as an American citizen trying to work in Canada. For all of the pro-immigration people, try to go to other countries and understand how laws stopping illegal workers is not racial but nationalistic.
Future:
I wonder if you might be able to share with us some concrete examples of "specific and articulable facts and inferences" that someone's immigration status is illegal? While someone's status as an immigrant may be inferable but I fail to see anything that someone can do that would raise reasonable suspiction regarding the legality of that status. I'm certainly willing to be enlightened.
boftx writes:
"Nothing will be done about enforcement of existing law (which is actually sufficient) until it is made clear to our elected representitives in Washington that we will vote them out unless they do something about it. This must be a prime issue in November."
That's exactly what happened during the last presidential election. The Republicans had 8 years to come up with immigration reform and they failed. Bush actually had a reasonable reform plan, but the right wing of his own party shot it down.
Now we will try again.
AP
Judy, that's the whole point, we can't just pick up and move there. Mexico immigation laws are, ahem, a tad bit strict on this point.
And now we can't afford the left-wing buying another constituency either.
hss466: How about a traffic stop of a Uhaul truck that is overloaded and two miles from the US/Mexico border and is stopped for an expired license plate. The driver is nervous upon being approached by the officer and the smell of human feces can be detected from inside the box.
Would that be a "reasonable artuculable" set of circumstances? Or are you just a complete nincowpoop?
Is this reasonable suspicion under the AZ law to determine whether someone is in the country illegally:
70 male Latino men attending a cock fighting contest in a suburban AZ house?
30 male Latino men piled into the back of a pick up truck 10 feet from the AZ border with Mexico?
100 Latino men hanging around on the sidewalk in front of Home Depot in Tucson, AZ at 7:00 a.m.?
15 Latino men and women living in a converted garage in Tempe, AZ?
20 Latino men and women living in a 2 bedroom apt. near Phoenix, AZ?
The Reagan administration gave amnesty to 2,700,000 illegal immigrants because the conservative business community wanted cheap labor and to drive American worker's wages down. There are laws on the books that would punish employers for hiring illegals but the conservative business community pressured the government to not enforce those laws and to turn a blind eye at the border, thus preventing enforcement.
The USA spends billions of taxpayer dollars hunting, arresting, detaining, prosecuting, and deporting illegal immigrants when it would be much more effective and economical to go after the employers.
We should consider all ILLEGAL immigrants as spies and treat them accordingly.
The Coward in Chief has some serious explaining to do. He is asking the Justice Dept to intervene in Arizona Law.
I guess the lack of indecision on his part is coming back to haunt every citizen
"don't tread on me"
fosimmons is right. He says "The time has arrived for the U.S. to incorporate Canada and Mexico. The plan must be perfected first, but then and only then will all the unhappy issues be solved."
150 years ago, we invaded Mexico under the theory of US "Manifest Destiny" (God intended for America to go from "sea to shining sea"). We annexed the portion of Mexican land we now call California, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico and Texas. Why we didn't take the whole thing, I don't know. We could have had Acapulco, Mazatlan, Cabo, Cancun and more. And look at all the oil we missed out on!
So I say, it's high time we corrected that oversight and annexed the remainder of Mexico. If we have to fight a war, our guys would surely prefer to do it in Acapulco or Puerta Vallarta than in Kabul or Kandahar.
Stan, nice try at sarcasm.
btw, sarcasm never equalled war.
"We should consider all ILLEGAL immigrants as spies and treat them accordingly."
Yes! THEY'RE SPIES! They're spying on us!
When the humble immigrant asks to mow your lawn, they're collecting all your secrets!
Housekeeping? They're photocopying everything left in your room, reporting back to the motherland, our evil nemesis... Mexico!
This is why no one takes the fringe GOP seriously anymore.
Obviously edgewise hasn't been rear-ended by an illegal immigrant yet. He might change his magnanimous mind then. Especially when he gets to pay and the illegal gets to screw.
Edge, I guess you're not on the cutting edge of sarcasm......
Fringe GOP??!!..... you are why no one takes the lunatic left fringe seriously.
Addition to my post at 12:16 P.M.
The "illegal" immigrants were "invited" by the conservative business community!
Put the blame where it lies!
So Vidi it is proper for a Government not up hold its federal laws?
Fossimmons, Rhooster and StanG, could all three of you do the true American citizens a favor? If ya'll want to be around citizens from south of the border so bad, don't wish them up here to the U.S. Go down to where they are, you see, there are still millions of proud Americans who want to fly the Red, White and Blue forever!
We don't want the North American Union!
AP, I won't disagree too strongly with you. The facts are that we have reasonable immigration laws right now and our elected officials refuse to enforce for one reason or another. This MUST stop.
Make immigration enforcement an issue this Novemeber.
freemasmind, As you know the government is controlled by the Democrats or the radical extremist republicans. My post refers to the the conservative business community that looks out only for their greedy bottom line and have not and will not accept responsibility for their actions. The marriage between the radical extremist republicans and the conservative business community is the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy."
Good idea and we'd love to see this occur, however, liberals would never allow this to occur let alone enforced. They don't want to lose their voting pool and they surely don't want to be in prison for hiring them.
You're a true American Rhoo!
Immigration, the Gulf spill, Wall Street, who cares? I spent five hours tending a wood-fired BBQ this afternoon, keeping the temperature at 225 degrees for a pork loin, smoking a La Gloria Cubana cigar and drinking a single-malt Scotch while listening to Talking Heads and The Art of Noise. 'Nuff said.
It's not just cheap greedy employers wanting to open the flood gates. On one of the financial channels some intellectual idiot said we could solve the housing problem by opening the borders and letting in anyone who wants to work. Most of those wanting in can't afford a house so how will this solve that problem. Sub prime pick a payment for newly minted immigrants. Intellectual moron. Analysts figure it will take about 5 years to get back the jobs we lost in the latest recession. So how does this genius, and others as ignorant as him, figure where the jobs for the new arrivals will come from?
The financial future of this country is fraught with problems. Social Security, Medicare, housing, government debt, yada, yada, yada. Instead of attempting to fix these problems the intellectual idiots in their ivory towers above the clouds say open the gates and massive immigration will solve everything. Not a word about food, water, hospital, doctor,and energy shortages should we do this. More overdevelopment. More pollution. More roads. More cars. More garbage. Just kicking the can down the road. More people=lower quality of life for everyone.
For the intellectual geniuses calling racism stop living in the past. This is 2010 not 1810. We have over 300 million people here and growing fast thanks to immigrants with no concept of birth control. It's all about resources and maintaining the quality of life we have. The enviro nazis want to send us back to the caves and with the help of open borders we'll get there pretty quick.
The white Americans marching in favor of the illegals don't have a clue about they're being played for suckers. They can march for this intellecual fantasy because they figure it's only working Americans getting the shaft, not them. After all they went to or are going to college which means they are superior to those who do the work and keep this country running. While they sit in their little cubicles fantasizing about their greatness, instead of doing the job they are paid to do, their employers are working behind the scenes to give them the shaft. The big companies want the quotas on educated professionals raised or lifted. A whole new wave engineers, computer geeks, etc, all looking for the American dream and willing to work hard for less money while their American counterparts spend time blogging, shopping, emailing, disrepecting and making selfish demands of their bosses, instead of working. March away "educated" ones. Immigration "reform" is headed your way and your going to get a real education learned the hard way.
If the intellecuals have their way and get immigration "reform" it will typically include provisions to make up for our "bad" behavior in the past. I can see the former illegals and anchor babies getting free or reduced price education at our colleges while us "bad" citizens pay the full freight. Most likely have preferences for those same kids allowing them to bump American kids with better grades and qualities. March away college kids. Get your way on this one and reality is gonna hit you upside the head with the biggest 2x4 the world has ever seen.