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A road map for successful candidates
Saturday, July 31, 2010 | 2:03 a.m.
If candidates want victory in November, they need to avoid falling into party “talking point” traps. Forget about the blame game and bad-mouthing opponents. We are all aware of what incumbents have and have not been doing. Those of us who have lived long enough have definitely erred and offended along the way.
The candidate for national office receiving my vote had better be prepared to hit the ground running on the first day in office. I need to know orally and in writing exactly what action will be taken to eliminate excessive deficit spending, eliminate earmark attachments to all legislation, achieve a balanced national budget, lower all taxes, restore to Social Security the money Congress “borrowed,” ensure all current laws are duly enforced before any new laws are proposed, strategically control illegal immigration with no retroactive “free passes,” learn the Constitution and do what is required to ascertain that those who are acting contrary to the law are held accountable.
In particular, states’ rights and individual rights need to be adequately protected from federal intervention. No legislative proposals should be considered without documented assurances that all members of Congress have completely read and possess a functional understanding of their contents.
In the matter of Congress creating jobs, understand that the Congress cannot create jobs except those that need to be funded by tax dollars.
If enough voters demand honest and genuine government officials, we just might see the United States of America restored as a nation of proud, productive and prosperous citizens.
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A great letter...beautifully said.
What is it going to take to end the corruption and restore integrity to the government of the greatest nation in the world?
It will take men and women of honor who say what they mean and mean what they say -- trustworthy, genuine Americans!
I pray that we get back to basics so that good, decent Americans can be chosen from among the People to serve as our representatives.
Today, We The People are challenged like never before.
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George Washington warned, "Experience teaches us that it is much easier to prevent an enemy from posting themselves than it is to dislodge them after they have got posession."
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Thanx for enumerating all the talking points you want them to avoid talking about.
Robert S. Tobias says "In the matter of Congress creating jobs, understand that the Congress cannot create jobs except those that need to be funded by tax dollars."
So True.
You cannot buy permanent jobs.
You create a job hiring envirnoment.
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But back to the crux of the real discussion we need to shift the negative job hire environment to a positive trajectory of hiring. We are talking about getting the GDP growth from a 2% track to a greater than 3.5% rate. Federal largess has done nothing to date.
Thanks to TARP we have been in the 2-2.5 range since May of 2009 -- BEFORE the $861 billion started to pay out.
So the squander payola laden Stimulus has not moved the GDP growth.
Listen to Bill Clinton "It the economy stupid."
Listen to Obama's Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke who said we have "Unusual Uncertainty"
"Unusual Uncertainty" is higher taxes, higher energy cost, higher health insurance cost, higher cost for capital formation, and more regulations.
read; Tea Party NutJob.
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Mr. Tobias, You Are High
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Reading your letter I had to laugh.
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Your dreams won't ever happen. Open your eyes right here ..... ChickenWoman, RighteyPantieAngle and Oil Spill Sarah .... are you kidding? Read some of the posts herein. Review the 8 years of the war criminal and ask the generations to come about his wars and torture.
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Have a good one
A very sensible well stated letter.
Tobias,
Your perfect candidate, George W. Bush, has retired from politics.
However, John Ensign might soon be available for another born-again run.
The letter writer lists a series of actions which I think most of us can readily agree with, but there is one inherent contradiction. "Lower all taxes", while a nice idea, is inconsistent with the other budget steps.
I actually don't mind paying taxes for the services I receive. But I want my tax burden to be fair, and I want to receive fair value. Eliminating waste and unnecessary "services" would go a long way.
The writer also mentions a very interesting idea, that law makers be able to prove they have read, and understand proposed legislation before voting on it. Now THAT would be a real improvement.
Hmmmmmm......I see gbigs believes that all of our current problems can be traced to the Democrats........that's interesting!
I wonder what rock gbigs was living under during the 8 years the clueless man from Texas was walking the halls of the White House?
Maybe gbibs actually believes that "clueless George" did a great job leading this country?
I might agree with gbigs and his assessment of George junior if the mentally challenged president hadn't:
(1) Taken us to two never ending wars in the Middle East.....wars that we couldn't afford!
(2) Given huge tax cuts to America's wealthy.....
(3) Run huge budget deficits every year he was president..
(4) Borrowed trillions of dollars from anyone and every one....
(5) Over saw the exporting of millions and millions of good paying jobs to other countries...
(6) Fractured our relationship with many of our long time allies....
(7) Lied to the American people weekly....
There's no question, George W. Bush will go down in history as the "second coming of Herbert Hoover."
Remember, 'Hoover who is often looked upon as the one person most responsible for bringing about the Great Depression.
George W. Bush will be remembered as the one man most responsible for bringing about the Great Recession...
gbigs - "1. Econ collapse due to subprime and NINJA loans to inner city goofs."
Here we go again with Lee Atwater style attacks, equate it to welfare.
Hmm .. all those foreclosures Nevada and Florida are due to "inner city goofs?"
Who cares Democrat or Republican..
I study each candidate. I find out all I can and vote for the one who meets Mr. Tobias's criteria. Stop voting for sex or race. Stop voting for Party Platform. If the candidate cannot write a simple declarative sentence without 7 grammatical errors, axe them. If the candidate doesn't know that Arizona is a border state, Ohio is east of the Mississippi, axe them. If a candidate cannot do enough math to fill out their own taxes and balance their own checkbook Axe Them
Send an email to the candidate and tell them you are not voting for Reid, Bush, Kerry or Pelosi..You are voting for a Nevada Candidate to represent YOU and Nevada. Tell them you expect them to NOT toe the party line but to represent the interest of Nevada and the people who elected them.
Then pray we get some real world solutions...
If you want better government..start local. Reid/Angle are in your face day after day but what about the State Legislature?
I am more concerned about the governors race than I am the US Senate because most overtax, overregulate is at the State level.
Can everyone here tell me which part of the State Legislature is up for reelection and who the candidates are?
That is where the government is failing in the most egregious way..Look at California for proof..of how important local politics are..and as California goes, so goes the nation.
gbigs, Projection is one of the ego defense mechanisms and also one of the techniques of Fascist propaganda.
Projection is blaming somebody else for your own failures.
The boot licking radical extremists of the party of "No", "Obstruction", and "Destruction" will stoop to the lows in defense of their miserable failure party.
They not only deny their miserable failures, they will project them on those that are trying to repair their damage.
The radical extremist republicans have almost destroyed America's economy but they will not admit it, nor will they do anything to help the American citizenry return to an economic normalcy.
What is worse, these totalitarian, corrupt, and incompetent republicans are trying to sabotage President Obama and the Democrats for attempting to help the American people.
Ha! Ha! Ha! That's funny..... No, that's very funny!
In the end, we will allow historians to sort this whole thing out and guess what? I don't believe George W. Bush and his party, the "party of no," is going to come out looking and smelling like a rose...
The GOP was in control of the "whole shooting match" for 6 years and they did nothing, absolutely NOTHING, that actually moved this country forward...
We're still trying to get out of two wars in the Middle East and the economy is in shambles due to the inept and stupid leadership of GWB and his party, the GOP.
Obama inherited a mess......a sinking ship!
The 9/11 attack happened on George's watch. The country has not had a similar attack since the Democrats took over..."foiled attacks" are good things. That means the attacks were prevented...
they didn't take place!
The huge deficit started to rear its ugly head during the time the Bush administration was running the show. Clinton left George junior with a surplus..
How interesting it is that you don't remember that?
GWB borrowed trillions and trillions of dollars and NEVER carried a balanced budget during his 8 years...
As I stated earlier, George W. Bush will go down in history as the "second coming of Herbert Hoover." He will be looked upon as the man most responsible for bringing about the Great Recession...pretty simple stuff!
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"In terms of the economy, look, I inherited a recession, I am ending on a recession." -
(George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 12, 2009 )
gbigs - Excellent letter, but remember, liberals never permit facts to interfere with their radical ideology. Meanwhile, the economy declined 2.6% in 2009, not the 2.4% originally expected by the White House. Also, the GDP for last year was ZERO, even less than the miniscule "increase" Barack Obama and the Democrats had forecast.
Any person that actually believes Democrats can "restore"" the economy is either insane, or more dangerously, a rigid left-wing ideologue intent on destroying the American socio-economic structure.
gbigs....
I need to clear something up that you said...
Myth is a major tool of revisionists on the right, not the left....
How much longer (5 yrs...maybe 10 yrs...maybe 15 yrs.) are you going to continued to give George W. Bush a "free pass?"
The man was a disaster.... A total disaster!
Historians are already saying that...
Look at last year's (2009) C-Span Presidential Poll.....
You can talk about Fannie & Freddie and subprime loans and lowered lending standards all you want but guess what? The GOP was in control of both Congress and the White House for 6 yrs. and did absolutely NOTHING about the situation...
Allow me to repeat that.....they did absolutely NOTHING!
George W. Bush, in 8 yrs., used his veto pen less than 10 times....
The deregulation of banks, Wall Street and the economy in general was a major factor in bringing about the mess that we find ourselves in....
What's interesting is that the GOP, if able to regain power, will continue to go down the same road again....they believe the economy was not deregulated enough.....How about those apples?
The Republicans have no intention of working with the Democrats in order to bring about an improvement in the economy....
They, without question, deserve the title.....the "party of NO."
gbigs,Is only repeating the talking points of the radical extremist republicans, Fox/Fascist propaganda news, numerous boot lickers in the MSM, and the wingnut posterior kissers on the blogs that is dispensed on a 24/7 basis.
gbigs has it easy, he does not have to form his own opinions, they are formed for him and he happily repeats them to gain favor with his miserable failure masters.
Is gbigs a pawn or a sheep, or is he a sheepish pawn?
El_Lobo
Bush is not on the ballot
gbigs
We will purge RINO's and Dems alike!
YES!
Obama said "the republicans put the economy in the ditch" But I say "the democrats stepped on the gas and are spinnning their wheels or going backwards"
If the Dem's wanted to keep the keys....then they should have it out of the ditch by now.
Historically, recessions last 18 months..That is 18 months since December of 07 when democratic economists agree, the recession began...
El_Lobo - "I don't believe George W. Bush and his party, the "party of no," is going to come out looking and smelling like a rose..."
George W. Bush will go down in history as the worst president of the modern era, no doubt at all. The lasting effect of the mess he left our country in will be a key point of his administration.
xtra.....
Those that forget history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past....
We must NEVER forget what George W. Bush did to this country. To allow the same thing to happen again would be criminal and unthinkable....
Hey gbigs! Does your history book come with crayons?
xtra, "they should have it out of the ditch by now" is a ridiculous and ignorant statement.
The damage done by the marriage of the radical extremist republicans and the Wall St. Ganksters will take 40 years to repair
That damage has cost the population of the US 20% of it's total net worth which is over $11,000,000,000,000. There are 309,000,000 men, women and children is the USA.
xtra, Since you are pretending to be a genius, tell us--How much that is for each man. woman, and child?
Clue-for large numbers use the exponent function on your calculator.
To increase your knowledge, go to "Rolling Stone/Politics" and scroll down to "Great American Bubble Machine" and "Looting of Main St."
Twenty years from now people will speak about Georgie Jr. the way the right speaks of Jimmy Carter.
Except for one major difference, they will be factual correct.
gbigs, The blaming of the subprime home borrowers for the financial collapse was put out by the Wall St. Journal.
That claim has been totally debunked.
gbigs, are you trying to be a mini-O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, or Limbaugh?
Why do moderate or liberal people realize the damage done to this country is not an over night fix; but the wingnuts don't seem to understand?
Are they guilt ridden knowing their "I wanna be a cowboy" president really put the screws?
VidiVeritas - "gbigs, are you trying to be a mini-O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, or Limbaugh?"
With a limited news source you can't expect any better VidiVeritas. They just ape and mimic what they see and hear.
gbigs said...
"Your party has failed, and they had all the marbles. We will elect a lot of what you would call radicals this time out. We will purge rinos, and Dems alike, we must, or we perish."
The Democrats will maintain control of both the House and the Senate come November. You heard it here first!
The GOP had 8 years of control of the White House and 6 years of control of both Congress and the White House.......
What did they accomplish during that time period?
I'm sure they accomplished aomething, but for the life of me, I can't think of anything!
Help me out.......what did the GOP accomplish during that time period?
Did they keep the country out of war?
Did they prevent any terrorists attacks from taking place?
Did they create millions and millions and milions of good paying jobs for Americans?
Did they decrease the size of the national government as they promised to do?
Did they pay down the national debt and carry balanced budgets during that time period?
Did they continue to foster the respect of our numerous allies around the world?
Did they decrease our dependence on fossil fuels & move us toward energy independence?
Hmmmmm....unfortunately I must say NO to every one of the above questions....
Help me out here....I'm sure they accomplished something? Right?
Vidi Veritas
You can blame the schools and the standardized IQ tests for my belief that I am a genius.
The great american bubble machine..Was that published before or after the dot.com meltdown?
Goldman Sachs..
That article is laughable. I read it when it was published. How much did Goldman Sachs contribute to Democrats in 2008..Lets see...
You know that "bubble machine" Was Bubba Clinton and Greenspan...not those (whisper behind hand) jew bankers.
That Rolling Stone Article is trash and dangerous trash..
Vidi
(pssst) There is evidence that Goldman Sachs actually started the bubble machine in 1637 in Holland
They bubbled Tulips..absolutely ruined the economy and they enriched themselves using their omnipotent insider information..
Just goes to show how powerful that cabal is!
gbigs - "If there is ONE group that deserves disdain in regard to keeping us in oil, and pushing wells 50 miles out, its the LEFT WING GREENIES."
Another Fox guided stupid statement. They drill there because it's one of the largest oil reserves in the world. Keep watching Fox, you'll never learn a damn thing, at all!
hey gbigs, who forced the banks to make all those toxic commercial loans?
xtra, the "Looting Main Street" article is anything but laughable, and I think you're confusing it with the more general, Goldman is the "octopus" article. It's understandable if you don't like Taibbi, but the underlying facts of the article cannot be disputed--think Lake Las Vegas style finance schemes on steroids, with enough crooked politicians thrown in to p*ss off anyone who reads it.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/new...
xtra - "They bubbled Tulips..absolutely ruined the economy and they enriched themselves using their omnipotent insider information.."
Actually xtra that is an awesome account of what can happen.
I watched that show and was stunned when they pointed out how easily the economy was minipulated by the tulip industry, amazing!
Remember, it was Goldman Sachs who cooked the books in Greece showing false data.
gbigs: proof that lead paint chips have deleterious effects on the little one's brains.
xtra has been thoroughly brainwashed and no longer has the mental capacity to analyze his own opinions. His organism has been conditioned to accept misinformation only. He avoids the truth that would set him free, but no, he wants to be a fawning serf for his miserable masters. That is what they call an "authoritarian submissive" personality.
bflxtplk says;"The writer also mentions a very interesting idea, that law makers be able to prove they have read, and understand proposed legislation before voting on it."
A more interesting requirement would be for a citizen to listen and read something other than Faux before being allowed in a voting booth. And while I understand why a test and a poll tax are not permitted, I do think it makes sense to disenfranchise anyone who actually voted for W twice.
duh
huh...
koolaid stand. good one gbigs. you go girl!
Nuclear power is not cheap and it is not clean. There are tons upon tons of waste stored on site at nuclear power plants.
Accidents do happen, and if we had a Chernobyll equivalent disaster in the USA many square miles would be contaminated for thousands of years.
The USA is in it's last chapter of dirty coal burning power plants, dirty oil, and nuclear power.
We are behind European countries in wind and solar energy, but we can catch up by prioritizing clean energy over dirty energy. The dirty energy companies should be in the forefront leading the way or the will be left behind just as other archaic industries have been relegated to the dustbin of history.
gbigs - "Nuclear power is the CHEAPEST and least carbon pollution of ALL other methods, except Hydro"
What do you do with the waste? NIMBY comes into serious play on that one issue. How easily we've forgotten Three Mile Island, and several American nuclear submarines that leaked radioactive material.
May I remind you why John McCain visted Enrico Fermi Nuclear Generating Station #2 during the presidential campaign?
Enrico Fermi Nuclear Generating Station #1 was closed due to a leak and wasn't a safe environment. Then again, you wouldn't know that because you don't care to research anything, except watch Fox.
StanG - "I do think it makes sense to disenfranchise anyone who actually voted for W twice."
Bwaahaha! I laughed out loud on that one, thanks!
Have Y'all noticed that the boot licking wingnut bloggers only accept misinformation from their miserable failure masters.
Could these "Things" be considered "Un-American" and are using the "Lie" which they repeat over and over to destroy American truths.
Are they old KGB sleeper agents left over from the Cold War that have decided they will use Fascist propaganda to destroy America?
Who are these "Things" that would destroy America with their lies, and themselves in the process. Have they no "Shame?"
Do they not have families, friends, and neighbors that would be harmed as the result of their suicide actions?
VidiVeritas - "Are they old KGB sleeper agents left over from the Cold War that have decided they will use Fascist propaganda to destroy America?"
I would say the counterpart, as in Michele Bachmann. She and a few other of our esteemed congressional members want to bring back the days of "McCarthism". Head up a group based on un-American activities.
The right wing will fall off this flat 4,000 year old planet if they aren't careful, they are on the very edge of it.
okra..
I read the sewer article. I know of many similiar public works projects. I understand the premise but I disagree with the conclusion.
I would say that Clinton was a pore boy whose mama couldn't get a loan for her trailer and when she did, she paid high interest rates.
So Clinton made easy money for mama..to buy the trailer, to buy the chinese knick knacks, and at a an interest rate that mama could afford.
Meanwhile, he wants to help all the pore boys around the world so he exports the US manufacturing base so they can have jobs..Then America imports/buys the foriegn goods..Those folks have yankee dollars and they fly into Las Vegas to enjoy our service economy.
Those bubbles were Clinton's vision of mommma's dream..and ..if you don't believe me..then just check out the fact that the home shopping network was the first bubble..
An unintended consequence of Clinton's vision..is that when there is debased currency (as in the days of Tulips Mania) ..or easy money..as in zero interest rates..and later..all the bailout money getting invested in treasuries, gold, bundled toxic assets, and stocks...Easy Money Encourages Gambling..and tight money discourages gambling..Any Vegas resident has learned that painful truth..
Bush did not raise interest rates and tighten the money supply..That was the mistake..but the oil prices ..which were the product of speculation contributed to the crash..
Easy Money..debased currency..I tend to look at that more closely than conspiracies by cabals of bankers...jewish or otherwise.
gbigs - "Bitter, name-calling, empty headed, backbiting, destructive,losers."
Really, and the right is guiltless? I think you should pay attention to what both sides post here, not just the left.
xtra you place the blame where much of it belongs, the American consumer. Going into credit card debt, buying large 8 cylinder machines, 2nd mortgages and abandoning savings accounts got the ball rolling. It was very easy for predatory lenders and banks to step in and abuse the system.
If Americans paid attention instead of trying to keep up with the Jones' many of our problems wouldn't be as bad.
"Hey gbigs! Does your history book come with crayons?"
Vernos--that is too funny! The same thought crossed my mind....
AP
VernosB
Yes, for Clinton to get a loan for momma, he had to relax regulations on the banks..
And the new regulations are a joke..or worse..
The stock market went up after the regulations passed..What does that tell you?
American Patriot
My history book didn't come with crayons but does that mean I don't get to color in it?
VernosB
I would have cheered if the stock market had gone down to 1000 after those banking regs passed..but no one in the markets even said "ouch"
gbigs writes:
"The Democrats have been in charge long enough to be fully blamed for:
1. Econ collapse due to subprime and NINJA loans to inner city goofs."
How simple the world must be to reduce the biggest economic implosion that occurred since the Great Depression (both, by the way, occurred while Republican presidents were in charge) to the party that was not in charge. Like they say: "success has a 1000 fathers while failure is an orphan."
http://www.slate.com/id/2240858
"2. 10% jobless rate"--Hoover presided over the stockmarket collapse. No one blamed Roosevelt for the resulting loss of jobs. Bush presided over the largest economic collapse since the Great Depression. That automatically meant that millions of people would lose their jobs.
"3. $14 Trillion Debt, $1.5 Trillion Record Budget Deficits"
Practically the entire, astronomical U.S. debt was created by three Republican presidents, each of which either doubled or tripled the national debt during their terms (Reagan, Bush I and Bush II). Clinton was the only president in the last 40 years to balance the budget and begin to pay the national debt down. I believe you already know this--the problem is that the truth does not jibe with your beliefs--so you reject the former.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/fede...
"4. Record military death rate in Afghanistan" Gosh, who invaded Afghanistan. Or are you like Michael Steel--who said that it was a giant mistake invading and that Obama was the president who invaded. I swear to God, your party has schizophrenia or some other psychological problem that prevents you from dealing with reality:
http://www.newsweek.com/spectrum/2010/07...
"5. The worst eco disaster in US history." Rather hilarious, since it was Bush who gutted both the EPA and the agency that oversaw deep water drilling. Again, a total disconnect from reality:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/6/24/...
"6. The collapse of the best medical system in the world."
That is just too hilarious to respond to.
"7. The largest expansion of government in US history leading to a total oppression of states and locals."
Again, too hilarious. Each Republican president for the last 40 years has cut taxes and increased government spending, doubling or tripling the national debt while doing that. George Bush II GREATLY expanded the government with the Department of Homeland Security, the military, etc. You open your eyes, but you do not see.
"8. Five fresh domestic terror attacks inside US borders."
Hmmmm. I could have sworn that the mother of all terrorist attacks, 9-11, occurred on Bush's watch.
Ditto for the anthrax attacks.
Ditto for the shoe bomber.
# of U.S. citizens lost to terror attacks under Bush? Nearly 4,000. Plus another 4,000 lost in attacking a country that had nothing to do with terrorist attacks.
Under Obama: 0
"9. The lack of enforcement of laws, and the ethics violations of senior Democrats in congress, Waters & Rangle."
Jesus. Do I really have to bring up the Republican list? Larry Craig, Jack Abramoff, Scooter Libby, et al? How tiresome.
"10. The immorality of public funding of abortion."
Sure, it's a lot better that we keep adding billions of people to the planet, at least a third of which live in poverty, and meanwhile take the choice out of a woman's hands. Your a religious zealot my friend, which is why reason does not play into any of this--only faith and belief.
AP
gbigs, Analyze thyself, Know Thyself. Do not project your negative actions onto other people.
The traditional Republicans, Independents, and Democrats are very well satisfied to post objective statements and truths. Then they are verbally attacked by the sycophant wingnut bloggers who insult them and persist in name calling.
Turn about is fair play. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Figuratively Speaking
Are we to be entertained with the spectacle of the condemned Bush, cut to pieces, dismemembered willy nilly and the bloody pieces paraded through the streets as a warning to any innocents who might be swayed by silver tongued "evil doers" to join in the November Plot to unseat the unsullied and pure? Is the grisly tale of the "Bush Misdeeds" to be nailed on every post and repeated throughout the kingdom as a morality play pointing to the dangers of supporting the minions of the "executed" Bush ?
How medieval...color that...bilious green, comic orange and cowardly yellow..
As theatre?..well.."YAWN"
gbigs, Barry Ritholz is offering to pay anyone $100,000 that can prove that Fannie and Freddie caused the Financial Crisis.
Go to: www.ritholz.com, and prove to him that Fannie and Freddie caused the financial crisis.
sounds good to me extra.
btw, thanks for the response. It's a provocative article no matter what part of the political spectrum one resides on. The lesson to me isn't that we are controlled by cabals of bankers or that one party is evil, the other saintly. It just shows what can happens if we let Wall Street alone decide how the economy works.
Speaking of Clinton and deregulation (sort of) anyone see the CNBC special on ENRON last night? Anyone remember the rolling blackouts in Cali and the smarmy traders congratulatory phone calls. Anyone think that freewheeling energy markets work best for us?
gbigs..
I agree with you..and ritholz will not..
Don't be intimidated by the insults here. Anyone who posts right of far left gets the "wingnut" treatment. It used to be worse and some people have been run off the board. I have received emails from board posters who call me all sorts of names. That is unique on all the boards I have been on but there are some good discussions here.
Just state your opinion, back it up with facts and ignore the personal attacks..
OKRA:
That article had this line
"A mob of corrupt local officials"
That is the overlooked ingredient.
Yup, if I'm not mistaken they were a Democrat mob of corrupt local officials to boot. What sane person believes that politicians of a certain stripe aren't corruptible? And that's not the point anyway. Maybe the point is that we should have commonsense oversight and meaningful accountability?
gbigs, To build a Nuclear power plant would cost $5,000,000,000 to $7 B and the cost to the consumer would be 20-30 cents per kilowatt hour. (Check you utility bill)
Even Wall St. does not want to touch it because of the possible losses.
What would happen if the US had a Chernobyl equivalent disaster? The radiation cloud spread over 27 countries, it is estimated that 500,000 people have died from the exposure. There has been an increase in infant mortality rates and deformities in newborns.
From the center of the Chernobyl disaster 1,100 square miles have been contaminated.
Nuclear storage and transportation: Spent nuclear nuclear fuel rods have a half life of 30,000 years. Depleted Uranium is toxic for 4,500,000 years.
To transport all the nuclear waste from all the on site nuclear storage would take 9.5 years if a truck left every hour from those sites. Transportation would be through 43 states within 1 half mile of tens of millions of people, through 100 of America's largest cities. By barge it would go through 17 port cities and through the drinking supply of the Great Lakes.
Transportation experts have calculated there would be 130 truck and 440 rail accidents.
gbigs.......
Sorry if I appear to be a little inpatient but I keep waiting for you to help me with the question that I posted some time ago (actually 11:50 AM) today....
I said to you:
"What did the GOP accomplish during that time period?" The time period in which they had control of Congress (2000-2006) and the time period in which they had control of the White House (2000-2008).
If you remember I listed a few things that they did not accomplish, and was wondering if there was something that I didn't list that maybe they did accomplish...
I always want to give credit when credit is due...
I said:
What did they accomplish during that time period?
I'm sure they accomplished something, but for the life of me, I can't think of anything!
Help me out.......what did the GOP accomplish during the time period in question?
Did they keep the country out of war?
Did they prevent any terrorists attacks from taking place?
Did they create millions and millions and milions of good paying jobs for Americans?
Did they decrease the size of the national government as they promised to do?
Did they pay down the national debt and carry balanced budgets during that time period?
Did they continue to foster the respect of our numerous allies around the world?
Did they decrease our dependence on fossil fuels & move us toward energy independence?
Hmmmmm....unfortunately I must say NO to every one of the above questions....
Help me out here....I'm sure they accomplished something? Right?
Thanks in advance for the help....
The radical extremist republicans in office and the candidates have a great desire to take America back, way, way, back. Just go to:
"The Great Republican Rollback": www.perrspectives.com/blogs/archives/001...,
"US Government's GOP Garage Sale on Again",
http://blogs.buzzflash.com/smith/361,
"Who's Better at Running the Economy" A look at the numbers":
http://mugsyrapsheet.com/2010/05/15/whos......
Political legitimacy is measures by success. The radical extremist republicans have none.
gbigs said....
"The Democrats are total incompetence in regard to the econ, and will no doubt try to bring an income tax to Nevada."
gbigs...is that your personal opinion or do you have some valid information that might convince many of us that the Democrats in Nevada are working hard to put a state income tax amendmant in place?
You seem to run pretty fast and loose with the "facts" but appear to be very short in terms of backing up your "facts" with valid information....
Not sure how long you have lived in this state, but adding a state income tax amendment to the present state constitution stands about as much a chance of being enacted as a snow ball in hell....
Are you doing what FIX NEWS is very good at doing......Scaring people with false information?
gbigs, You post as if you just arrived in NV. You know absolutely nothing about economics or the facts.
Nevada's problem is their economy has not been diversified. NV relies mainly on the casino's for employment and taxes. When the casino's do well Nevada does well. The majority of people that come to NV are from other states or foreign countries. If the economy of those other states are okay, then there will be more people here, but that is not the case.
Nevada has put all it's eggs in one basket-casinos.
In the early 80's Texas, in the past, had put all their eggs in the oil basket. When oil prices plummeted through the bottom Texas had the same problem that Nevada has now. Texas diversified their economy and it has worked very well for them.
gbigs, You are making yourself look just like a fool by pulling numbers or statements of opinion out of your posterior.
The Traditional Republicans, the Independents, and the Democrats have a modicum of intelligence and they know and post the facts.
Stop being so mentally lazy and do just a little research to improve your posts.
gbigs, You have got to be delusional and ignorant of the "Almost" financial collapse.
I'll betcha that you have never read a self improvement, and you have not read any book for years. I'll betcha that you have less than a high school education. I'll betcha that your income is less than $2,000 per month. I'll betcha that you have no motivation at all to learn anything new and you have been that way for years. I'll betcha that you do not know what the exponent function of your calculator means. I'll betcha that you never do your own personal income tax. I'll betcha that you watch a lot of Fox propaganda news and listen to hate radio. I'll betcha that you do not have many friends and are probably shunned by your family.
Vidi....
Good point! It appears that gbigs just moved to Nevada a couple weeks ago....
It's very apparent.....he knows very little about the Silver State....
He knows about as much about Nevada as another "carpetbagger poster" by the name of gogo knows...
gogo just found out the other day where Elko and Fallon are located.....gogo also thought North Tahoe was in California and Laughlin was on the east bank of the Colorado River...
It's no wonder that Democrats have to raise such huge amounts of campaign funds, it adds up when you pay people to vote 3 or 4 times (just ask the Dems from Chicago).
Vidi
I'll betcha I never read a self improvement..So what does that mean?
For the history buffs out there, remember what happened after the Nixon years? The Democrats had no trouble winning with Carter, but then Reagan won the next election with what was probably the largest Electoral College landslide in history not counting Washington's unanimous win.
boftx said...
"......The Democrats had no trouble winning with Carter, but then Reagan won the next election with what was probably the largest Electoral College landslide in history not counting Washington's unanimous win."
Close but no cigar....the largest Electoral landside in history was the 1936 presidential election between FDR & Al Landon.
FDR won 523 electoral votes to Landon's 8 electoral votes.
FDR also carried 46 of the 48 states....
That was a major a**-kicking!
Nevada is not the only state that is facing very serious budget problems...
Approximately 40 of the 50 states are carrying budget deficits....
California is approximately 19 billion dollars in the red, and Illinois is 13 billion dollars on the down side...
Nevada will have to raise taxes and make some very large cuts in its state budget...
Cuts alone will not solve Nevada's budget problems, however....
People don't like to hear someone say "higher taxes" but that's what will happen......
Nevada is one of those states that constitutionally must maintain a balanced budget.....Not so with California & Illinois!
Both California and Illinois were carrying budget deficits as far back as 6-8 years ago...
Reagan's 525 electoral votes (out of 538) is the highest total ever received by a presidential candidate and 49 of 50 States
(hands botfx a cigar)
gbigs, I did not think you could connect the dots. What word did I leave out, and what word would fit in before the comma in the second paragraph?
"The United States presidential election of 1936 was the most lopsided presidential election in the history of the United States in terms of electoral votes.
In terms of the popular vote, it was the third biggest victory since the election of 1820, which was not seriously contested."
By winning 523 electoral votes, Roosevelt received 98.49% of the electoral vote, the highest percentage since 1820. Roosevelt also won the largest number of electoral votes ever recorded at that time, so far only surpassed by Ronald Reagan in the 1984 election when 7 more electoral votes were available.
In addition, Roosevelt won 60.8% of the national popular vote, the second highest popular-vote percentage won by a U.S. presidential candidate since 1820."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Stat...
Read the Reagan article on Wiki. Percentage of popular vote is higher with Roosevelt but percentage of population..Reagan is unsurpassed. Reagan took 47 of the 48 States, one more than Roosevelt.
Historians generally agree that Roosevelts was the most lopsided but it was surpassed by Reagan in several other demographics.
botfx keeps the cigar.
El_Lobo
People don't like to hear "taxes." Tax revolts, historically, are at first dismissed by the government and at last, tax revolts, historically, have been very unpleasant to the government.
It is a very serious matter.
To keep tossing the tax money in the streets to address every need or wish of the populace is a dangerous policy. The government, if they wish to continue being the largest charity organization in the world would do well to simply give each and every citizen, legal immigrant and any illegal immigrant who wanders in a guaranteed check every month, print the money out of the treasury and stop forcing a few to work by this system of forced labor and slavery called taxation.
Lets all quit..or none of us quit. Everyone can do something productive. Either go back to "work or you don't eat" ..or "everyone can eat and no one has to work"
People are resenting this tax and spend...and the anger of people who are unfairly taxed to support an out of control government..will put that government in peril..
We could argue this all night long and I would never convince you of what I'm saying, and you would never convince me of what you're saying....
Actually there was 50 states in the Union when Reagan ran in 1984, compared to only 48 states when FDR ran in 1936...
No defeated candidate has ever received fewer electoral votes than what Al Landon received in 1936. Al came away with only 8 electoral votes....
Reagan had more electoral votes than FDR (by 2) but there was more electoral vote in the electoral college in 1984 than there was in 1936....
Unless my math fails me, there were 538 electoral votes in the 1984 electoral college and only 531 electoral votes up for grabs in 1936.....
Also, FDR carried 98.49% of the total number of electoral votes that were available.......not so with Reagan. It appears that Reagan carried 95.70% of the electoral vote.......again, I'm counting on my math skills to be correct.
I again quote what the article said:
""The United States presidential election of 1936 was the most lopsided presidential election in the history of the United States in terms of electoral votes."
The last time I looked it was the electoral college that elects the president.....
Yes, and for what ever it's worth, FDR carried a higher precentage of the popular vote than Reagan did....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Stat......
I rest my case.....
Xtra....
I agree that NO ONE wants to pay more in taxes. With that being said, Nevada CAN NOT balance its budget simply by cutting the budget.
There's too much that needs to be cut...If the Nevada legislature decides to cut the budget, with out raising taxes, in order to balance the budget, look for the final results to be a complete disaster....
Such things as public education will literally be left in shambles....
Look for both to happen......the legislature will make big cuts in the budget but will also raise taxes.....
That's really what happened in the last legislative session....
El Lobo
It makes a person's head explode when the argument is made that public education must be maintained at present levels... that we can't cut school lunches year around or that teachers need to have the best medical care, a generous pension fund and three months of paid vacation every year. It is infuriating to a married couple, both working, with children, to have to pay for a single person to stay home with their children because that person is single.
These are not fair..To blithely state..No one wants to pay taxes ...but we must because we can't touch the sacred cows, welfare and education.
The fact is..the ones who are forced to work..the ones who don't qualify for all the benefits..are the ones who can and will organize..That is why the government should pay careful attention to any spark of tax revolt..and especially when 30% of the nation is marching in the streets or supporting those marching in the streets...
You are saying.."Those peasants don't like the king's alms and charities for those special few he selects..but the king needs his charities and those special few love the king. The peasants must pay."
xtra, Why is it that you wingnut supporters of the radical extremist republicans never complain about private health insurance premiums going up, home owners insurance going up, auto insurance going up, the price of gasoline going up, the credit card interest rates and fees going up, bank NSF fees going up, deficit spending under the republicans going way up, the CEO salaries going way, way up, the bonuses going way, way up for the Wall St. Ganksters that caused the "Almost" financial collapse, etc.....
You wingnuts always complain about the middle and lower classes that are making a living wage
Tell us why?
El_Lobo
The liberal's generosity never extends to the peasant bearing the burden. Whether it is illegal immigration, excessive taxation, social engineering, the corruption and destruction of the peasant's culture...the peasant must bear and endure.
Now, that said...
It seems a non sequitor but it isn't..
I would ask you:
What is it that is causing so much reaction on the left to the tea party? That puzzles me. Could you explain that?
Vidi
What a list..
Health insurance.. I pay cash
Credit Cards.. I am paying cash
Bank...Hate them
CEO's Hate them too
Don't have the answer to that list. I dodge what I can, fudge what I can..and complain about the rest..
But the government cannot address those insurance issues or the price of gasoline without price fixing or rationing. Fact of historical fact. It is a bad system but..the alternative is worse.
Vidi
Making insurance companies..public utilities might be the best answer.
What do you think?
That would work if there weren't any other system of paying for health care.
Vidi
Get really radical and don't use banks or credit cards. Insurance..I can't get around it and I pay more in insurance...I pay by the week it is so expensive..the insurance company doesn't dare hand me a monthly bill or a yearly bill and I have to pay it by law..
So ..the government forces me to pay..That is a Tax..so yes, I complain..about the culprit who forces me to pay exhorbitant insurance..and it is the government. Health care is next..mandatory payment enacted and enforced by government decree..
SO I complain about what you said the wingnuts don't complain about..I just complain about the source..
xtra said...
"It makes a person's head explode when the argument is made that public education must be maintained at present levels... that we can't cut school lunches year around or that teachers need to have the best medical care, a generous pension fund and three months of paid vacation every year."
You have fallen into the old trap that many people fall into when talking about education....
You have bought into several myths that are out there concerning public education...
First of all, teachers are not paid for three months of summer vacation....believe it or not, teachers are NOT paid for any time off, whether it's during the summer or at Christmas time, Thanksgiving time, or Spring vacation.
Teachers have no paid vacation days...period!
Teachers are paid for X number of days during a contract year. In Nevada, teachers are paid for 184 days of work....
They are not paid for anything extra in terms of "over-time," coming back to school for a Christmas concert, or an "open house" or to chaperon a dance or a basketball game.....that's all donated time!
Teachers receive their yearly salary (184 days of work) in 12 monthly payments....some school districts now pay their teachers twice a month instead of once a month.....
In other words, a teacher has fulfilled their contract once the school year is over in June, but they will continue to receive their monthly check during the Summer.
They have already earned the money but the school district will not pay them in one lump sum....
The school district does it this way so they can draw interest on the money over the summer months.
With a school district the size of the CCSD, the interest that the district makes off of teachers salaries is into the millions and millions of dollars a year...
Vidi
The final argument is..I can refuse to use the banks or credit card companies. If I don't like the CEO of a company, I can boycott their products. No one is forcing me to pay ATM fees or use a credit card..BUT
Insurance...Auto insurance is mandatory. There is a Nevada Insurance Commissioner who regulates the insurance industry. I am forced to purchase auto insurance..and the price goes up and up.
Now..Vidi..You know auto insurance is expensive and is a tax ..a forced payment..Now knowing this about auto insurance..that is costs whatever the industry chooses to charge...That is taxation without representation..
What do you think is going to happen with mandatory health insurance? Do you think that health insurance is going to be different from auto insurance? Why would it?
"Lets all quit..or none of us quit. Everyone can do something productive. Either go back to "work or you don't eat" ..or "everyone can eat and no one has to work"
Why does it always have to be such a stark, either/or, proposition with conservatives? Does anyone seriously believe that returning to Clinton era tax rates is unbearable tyranny for "genuine" Americans, as JanK so tellingly puts it?
You guys lost the election, extra, and then basically adopted the John Birch society platform as the new, improved Republican party. Only the most rabid adherents of the talk radio kooks you guys listen to--with their 2nd Amendment remedies and the hyperbole and the paranoia--can get past the primaries now. And you honestly don't know why liberals are reacting?
El Lobo
What is it about the tea party which is about taxes and spending that so enrages the left?
Okra
"Work or you don't eat" was the motto at Jamestown, not John Birch.
It is stark. Every other house in my neighborhood is foreclosed. Every week more businesses are shuttered.
It is not hyperbole or paranoia to recognize the early symptoms of civil unrest.
The level of anger in this country is a fact.
More concerning education....
A teacher's salary is determined by the degree (certification) that they have and the number of years that they have taught with in that school district....
Years of experience are normally not transferable from one school district to another or from one state to another...
As a rule, all districts have a salary scale that is indexed down and across.. The down part of the index reflects years of experience, and the across part is based on degrees obtained and advanced hours/courses that a teacher has completed.
Most salary scales are indexed down to include 12-14 years of experience. The index across is broken into bachelor's degree, master's degree and hours (courses) completed beyond a master's degree...
All school district have a starting salary and normally speaking, a teacher with 15 years of experience will make twice as much as a beginning teacher....there are exceptions of course..
Okra
In the Bible, the tea party people are the salt of the earth..The I Ching the tea party is called "ground water." In times of peace, the water is invisible. When the water rises..that is the image of the army.
Perhaps that is what the left is reacting to so forcibly. Most of the tea party people have never been politically active..and even Boehner says, "Frankly, I don't know what got those people off the couch.."
Thanks El_Lobo
I seem to think you are either a teacher or involved in public education or someone close to you is to be so well informed.
xtra...Thank you for encouraging EL_GASBAGGO for his tremendous Chutzpah. He not only thinks he knows it ALL, but he is willing to bore us with it.
xtra....I think that you are one of the many entities on this page that are indeed EL_Flatulento himself.
here it comes.....EL_Redundanto will say Sticks and Stones. or may the old standby Flattery will get you nowhere shtick.
doyen
Good to see you, rude and crude..and an equal opportunity insulter..I suppose you mean that I think I know it all and am willing to bore you with it..
Hmmm....I don't know anything for absolutely certainly sure...mostly I just guess and your guess is as good as mine..
REAGANOMICS DESTROYED OUR COUNTRY.
Reagan was a simple-minded, ant-union, greedy
republican, with a 105 I.Q.
His policies started the great down-fall of
our economy.
Add Bush and all of our good jobs are in
COMMUNIST CHINA.
Thank you, greedy republicans.
El_Lobo,
You might find this page of interest concerning Electoral College results: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Uni...
We both know that Washington is number one with a unanimous decision, but the next four are a bit surprising. You are correct that FDR comes in a little bit higher than Reagan percentage wise, but both were beat by James Monroe. What's more surprising is that Nixon comes in at number five, in front of Jefferson.
The crazy teabaggers already ruined what was
left of the republican party.
Thank you, teabaggers.
Smooth sailing for Democrats in November.
teamster
I thought it was Kerry Ketchup in China and Clinton's favorite WalMart buying all the Chinese junk..instead of buying union-made in America
xtra said...
"What is it about the tea party which is about taxes and spending that so enrages the left?"
I can't speak for anyone other than myself....
I'm not enraged about the tea party crowd, I just happen to believe that they just don't get it on many, many things...
I believe that many of the tea party crowd are uninformed about government and they feed off of each other based on various myths and fears...
For example, they will say something like "keep the government out of my medicare," not fully understanding that medicare is a government program.....
Many are drawing Social Security, enjoying the benefits of Medicare, and yet they are scared to death that any government expansion of health care for other Americans is some how going to take away what they already have...
Its almost like they feel they're entitled to what they have and they don't feel that other Americans should share in what they have....
They will tell you that they're against any and all types of socialism and they never connect the fact that Social Security & Medicare are socialistic programs...
American public education is socialistic, not to mention the wonderful system of roads that we all use daily...
Every place we look we see shades of socialism....our parks, our libraries, our roads, our police & fire departments, etc...
Yet, the tea party crowd doesn't get it...
The tea party crowd will believe most anything that someone such as FIX NEWS tells them and they believe that simple solutions can be used to solve all complex problems...
Many of the tea party crowd are opposed to any and all taxes, and yet they never stop to consider how they and other Americans are able to enjoy the many, many benefits that this country offers....
The education that they received, the highways that they drive on, the police and fire protection that they enjoy are all paid for with tax dollars.
They believe that this country was a much better place back at the turn of the 20th century....
They have this silly belief about the "good old days." The only problem is that the "good old days" weren't so good for most Americans..
boftx.......
Nixon turned out to be another republican crook.
No surprise there.
extra.....
Walmart started out with all American goods.
When the old man died the greedy sons took
over.
China popped up and the rest is history.
teamster,
You miss the point of the discussion.
boftx........
No I didn't, I just added a fact.
El Lobo
There were a very limited of number of "wonderful benefits" before 1930. Schools, libraries, police, fire department were paid for and managed locally.
The New Deal brought in Social Security. That was a Trust Fund.
Truman funded interstate highways, also a Trust Fund
Kennedy started the welfare programs
Johnson expanded the "great society."
All of these "benefits" were being administered by Federal Agencies that used Federally Apportioned Funding to enforce the decrees of unelected bureaucrats
Carter started the Department of Eduction
This bloated dictatorial entitlement behometh funded by involuntary tithes...has been a source of complaint since the Carter years..
The benefits are for too few and the entitlements have become rights..
The libraries are closed in California so that another married-in mexico mamacita can dash across the border, pop a kid, collect welfare while papacito collects wages under the table working construction or some lazy third- generation- on- welfare american citizen can collect what is the right of every citizen..pop a kid and get a buck for drugs.
Enough is enough..
Truman was not that long ago..Many people alive today lived in an America that was pre-Truman..Pre-Great Society and pre-Carter
And you can't say they don't know that the good old days were a hel* of a lot better than this chaotic, expensive mess we have now..
Here they are xtra and EL_Stupido. They are one and the same. Not book-ends but THE SAME. EL_Lobo IS xtra...he's just talking to himself in here. Occasionally he will compliment himself with a "Thanks for that EL_Lobo" What we have here is failure to c'municate. LMAO!!
No president allowed more illegals into the
country than BUSH.
boftx....
Thanks for the link.......interesting stuff!
Nixon had it going in his direction, but he blew it....
His paranoia got the best of him. Without Watergate, who knows how we might look at him.
The man was his own worst enemy.... I believe his wife probably wasn't surprised by his demise....
The James Monroe thing is interesting. His election was at the height of a time period called the "Era of Good Feeling."
Actually, there was only one political party on the national scene.
I guess we might call the current time period the "Era of Bad Feeling.." Ha! Ha! Ha!
El_Lobo
The tea party people do understand. It is the left that does not understand that welfare and Social Security are two separate animals. Welfare is charity..Social security is trust fund. Do you understand that? Or do you think Kennedy and Rockefeller are not trust fund liberals..rather they are welfare recipients?
Dam liberals..they should get religion if only to know the difference between a tax and a tithe.
dumpster...pull over and show me your green card.
El_Lobo
It doesn't matter what anyone says about the failing system. It is failing.
Either we get some people in government who can dismantle it gently and quickly ..or it falls down and we lose control over the timing and sequence.
The structure is collapsing..it is becoming a hazard to the Republic and it must be razed and rebuilt..
extra......
We already voted the republican crooks out.
Thank God they won't be in power for many,
many years.
dumpster..pull my finger.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/poll--sandoval-...
dodo.....
Crawl back under your rock.
dodo.......
Voters don't know anything about Sandoval, when
they do, he'll be history.
El_Lobo
Answer this..
You say the taxes have to be raised..on those foreclosed houses and those boarded up businesses?
Sandoval will spank Rory. Rory who?
xtra...you are the only one that knows the answer to that question.
BTW
Vidi earlier stated that tea party people didn't complain about bank fees and CEO salaries..yet the tea party was about bailing those b*stards out..Who gave the banks the money to pay the CEO's? Why are we supposed to applaud the democrats for re-regulating what was being naturally regulated into better business ethics?
The tea party was furious about bailing those b*stards out then the left says " The tea party don't want regulations. The tea party is for the banks and the big fat cats."
Who the he*l bailed them out and who objected..to the point of marching in the streets.
Don't tell me the tea party loves wall street or fat cats..
xtra..EL_Foggo is on his way down to the R-J to pick up his papers. He delivers 500 Sunday papers a week.
dodo......
Sandoval is AFRAID OF RORY REID.
What a wuss.
For what ever it's worth....the tea party crowd are here today & will be gone tomorrow.
They've had good intentions, but they got too excited and shot the GOP in the foot politically.....
It couldn't have happened to anyone more deserving....Ha! Ha!
The "crazy Ladies" of the world (Sharron Angle & Sarah Palin) aren't a factor in what is coming down...
Both will be not much more than a footnote in next year's history text....
By this time next year, the response will be "Sharron who?" & "What was that gals name who said she could see Russia from her front porch?"
Time moves on, and on, and on and what ever you might decide to do, don't make the mistake of standing in the middle of the road.....
The progress bus just might run over you....
One can never turn the clock back more than a day or so....this country isn't going back to the pre Harry Truman days....
Even "give 'em Hell Harry" liked progress....
Social Security and Medicare are here to stay...
Obamacare will be tweaked in the days, months to come and it will be like Medicare.....Americans will get in your face if you start talking about doing away with it....
Bill Clinton was right....."It's the economy, stupid."
Despite what the "party of no" is attempting to do, the economy will get better....
Harry will win come November, & Barry will win in 2012....it will all be in the history books, well, maybe not in Texas!
Good night Irene, good night Irene, or whatever your name is......
Sorry sir, but that type of elected official does not exist. Just take a good look around.
The political mafia has sold out this country and its citizens. Its time to fight back, and take our country back.
nitro said...
"You forgot to say, that the people who are buying the US debt are capitalists and once they sense, that the country is run by lunatics, they'll cut the cash flow at some point of time..."
Actually I don't fully agree...
An argument can be made that what you described will never happen...
Can't see the Chinese cutting off the money flow as long as they're making trillions by dumping their cheap goods on American soil...
Since you brought it up, it may be time to congratulate the Chinese for their walk across the road to embrace capitalism...
Of course, their type of capitalism may be some what different than the capitalism we have come to accept and use..
I didn't know the Chinese had it in them.....Of course money talks and those MacDonald burgers can get pretty habit forming....
For those who want to take a trip down memory lane, be patient.....we're heading for a type of colonialism with China as the "mother country."
Maybe it's nothing more than a new type of mercantilism, reincarnated out of the past. It appears the Brits taught the Chinese a great deal more than merely how to smoke opium....
Of course, I still can't picture George Washington eating with chop sticks or Abe Lincoln riding in a rickshaw....those rickshaws are really small.
Abe would have great difficulty getting his 6 '4" frame in one of those contraptions....
Once we run out of oil, those rickshaws will be in high demand.... It won't be about miles per gallon any longer. It will come down to "foot strikes per mile"...
It's hard to tell if the Chinese are copying us, or we're copying them....
Maybe that's the plan of corporate America....
I wonder if Sam Walton would approve of all of this....
nitro....
Does the truth bother you that much? I'm not in favor of that happening, but we're sure headed in that direction.......
It's simple, get rid of the career liberal's first then work our way down and vote newbie's into office. I say liberals first because they are evil sadistic no good for nothing lazy dumbasses who expect everything for nothing and blame everyone for their slow dumb lazy choices. If it were legal to hunt liberals, I'd be first in line.
This Woodrow Wilson quote is posted here for the enjoyment of its2hot.....enjoy!
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"Conservatives are people who sit and think, and sit and think, but mostly just sit."
(Woodrow Wilson, USA President - 1913-1921)
El lobo, you need to get a life. There is much more than what you have experienced in life. Go out and get a job and create your own destiny and quit sucking off the system.
So much more exists in life than what I read in your posts. What you are failing to understand is that a liberal has no use, the system is designed to keep liberals repressed and suck off the system, they wish to maintain power and keep their minions in check.
Okay you liberals, can you say or think anything on your own that isn't a lie that you repeat here as facts?
Facts, not lies or some poll or some goofy ass statement made by your leaders or some other nut case liberal. I know this will be difficult for you; I understand the minion mindset, just think for yourself and say something useful and truthful and be direct and to the point. No political correctness allowed. Try for once to be honest and right to the point, offend me, offend others, get to the point and say what you mean.
its2hot.......
Your statement saying that I need to get a life is funny, no VERY, VERY FUNNY!
You know so very little about me, but you quickly do what many of your buddies over on the right do......you assume much and then make up the rest.
I'm probably some 20-25 years older than you and I have seen a great deal more, and experienced more, than you have or probably ever will...
I retired a few years ago after working for almost 40 years. I have a pension, and along with my investments, I'm able to enjoy myself in what I like to call a "middle class to a upper middle class existence."
I own my house, free and clear, and I'm pretty much debt free..... My wife died less than 10 years ago...
I have had a few medical problems in the last ten years, but it now appears that my health has been restored...
I'm a two time cancer survivor...I feel very lucky to be alive. I lost a brother to cancer six years ago....terrible, terrible ordeal!
I feel better now than I have at any time over the last 10 years. My energy level is coming back. I'm starting to sleep better and eat better... Life is fun again....
I have voted in the last 12 straight presidential elections, and I'm proud to say that the very first election I vote in was the 1964 LBJ-Goldwater election....
Goldwater scared the "hell out of me" and naturally I voted for LBJ. I have never regretted my vote.
LBJ was a "flawed giant," but a giant! I've been to his library/museum in Austin, Tx three different times...
I have done some traveling over the last 10 years and have had an opportunity to do many things that I didn't have time to do when I was working...
I love to read, and on the average, I read 3-4 books a month, mostly history!
I do a little bit of volunteer work, and I donate to a couple charities but nothing in excess.
I'm going to Europe in 2012 to see the Olympic Games and visit the many historical spots that London has to offer......I plan to make it to Omaha Beach and Dunkirk.
I must admit that I love to antagonize those on the right who for the most part, take life way too serious and are way too quick to pass judgement on others...
As a rule, those on the right tend to believe that most complex problems can be solved by using very simple solutions......if life was only that simple, which it isn't!
I voted for Obama and will vote for Reid in November. Harry gets far too much blame concerning what is going on, and he has received far too little credit for what he has accomplished...
Harry's basically a survivor, a fighter. You would never know that by just looking at him but it's true.....That's why he will win come November.
Now tell me that you clearly understood what I was all about before my rant....
El_lobo, I sympathize with you. I have no pension; I have a savings account and many investments which I live from. I choose not to suck off the system and pay my own way.
I too own my houses and live a life that I am proud off. I pay my taxes every three months which I hate especially when I see my money being thrown down a drain pipe without any return. I can't stand liberals because of their principals and how they enable people not to become productive members of society and blame others for their minion's stupidity.
Show me a government run program that produces a positive result, I'll show a criminal and liar every time. Liberals have desecrated America into a human cesspool of freeloaders and no good for nothing lazy dumbasses that have no use to America. Like I said in the past, if it were legal to hunt, I'd be first in line to hunt a liberal.
You sound like maybe you worked for the government, if so, thank you. If not, then you're not a true liberal. You may think you are, you are confused and one day you will see the light. Government sucks and has no use to me when it comes to their programs that suck money from us who work to pay for those who suck off the system.
Ha! Ha! Ha!........Suddenly gbigs jumps into the discussion.
He believes that liberals actually get old....total nonsense!
Liberals NEVER get old, at least not in terms of wit, humor, attitude, intelligence or critical thinking...
That's why they're called liberals....
its2hot is on a rant....
He does what all right-wingers do when they get on a rant...they blame the government for everything that has gone wrong in their life...
They go on and on about how government programs make people lazy and worthless, but they can't point to a single program that has actually done that...
Take Social Security for example....Social Security is one of the greatest and most productive social programs in the history of the world.
The program is so successful that it has been copied numerous times by other countries with the same wonderful results....
Approximately 80 million senior citizens in this country are presently drawing from Social Security, and not a single one of those 80 million people are in favor of changing the system or doing away with it.......they love it & speak highly of it!
Has the system made these 80 million people lazy & worthless? I see no evidence out there that says that is true other than in its2hot's delusional mind...
Maybe its2hot is doing what many right-wingers do....he's simply blowing smoke!
Of course, I don't see any evidence that its2hot is on Social Security or Medicare.......maybe that's the problem with the little guy? He's unhappy because he got left out......
Poor, poor its2hot! I feel sorry for him....
Actually there would be trillions and trillions of dollars in the Social Security Trust Fund if the politicians from both side of the aisle had kept their greedy little hands out of the "Social Security cookie jar."...
It started with LBJ and has never ended.....
With that being said, Social Security isn't going away any time soon....Any politician who tries to do away with it or greatly change it will be "tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail"......
George W. Bush found out very quickly that even his own party wasn't about to go along with his plan to change the system....George was called out on "strikes."
EL_Lobo, I love it when you liberals speak and try to convey something to others. I read the liberal posts and I am amazed just how stupid most liberals are and how true it is, when someone is stupid, they're stupid for life.
Take your pick on the programs, show me a government run program that has produced a positive results for the monies spent. Obama is a prime example, we spent how many trillions to help his race, and we got Obama. Be serious, he is going to be used for many years as an example why spending that kind of money is a waste of our tax dollars and that the liberal programs don't work.
The sad part is that the liberal minions actually believe the garbage the politicians speak to them. Just because they speak it, surely doesn't mean it to be true. More often than not, it's a lie.
its2hot said....
"Take your pick on the programs, show me a government run program that has produced a positive results for the monies spent."
I guess you didn't read what I posted?
Here, I'll post it again for your reading pleasure.....enjoy!
"Take Social Security for example....Social Security is one of the greatest and most productive social programs in the history of the world.
The program is so successful that it has been copied numerous times by other countries with the same wonderful results....
Approximately 80 million senior citizens in this country are presently drawing from Social Security, and not a single one of those 80 million people are in favor of changing the system or doing away with it.......they love it & speak highly of it!"
Hey its2hot.....Here's what I'm talking about...read & enjoy!
Social Security: Is it so successful we take it for granted?
By Cynthia Boyd | Wednesday, July 21, 2010
Without Social Security, life for America's elderly in would be drastically different.
From a Congressional Research Report for Congress [PDF] dated April 2008:
"Social Security has significantly reduced elderly poverty. The elderly poverty rate has fallen from 35% in 1959 to an all-time low of 9% in 2006, in large part because of Social Security.
If Social Security benefits did not exist, an estimated 44% (of) the elderly would be poor today assuming no changes in behavior."
Would that mean that the conservative position would be to eliminate all the parts that form the Department of Homeland Security since it is government operated? Would turning these functions over to the "private sector" be the platform plank or just doing away with them?