South Point’s Michael Gaughan gambles on looser slots
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 | 2:01 a.m.
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As the sole proprietor of the South Point, Michael Gaughan doesn’t have to consult a board of directors, worry about Wall Street, appease shareholders or hold countless management meetings to accomplish his goals. Gaughan says he’s not concerned about how his competitors operate their businesses or what they think about his methods.
That helps explain why he directed technicians to open up a few hundred so-called penny slot machines and replace their computer chips — the devices that control how much slot machines pay back over the long haul — with chips programmed to pay back 1 to 2 percent more of gamblers’ wagers over time.
Gaughan didn’t advertise the change. He figured most players are superstitious and suspicious of any changes to their game of choice, so they wouldn’t believe the casino’s claims anyway.
Still, he thinks the change will translate into higher revenue as a result of players losing less money in the long run.
“I think, over time, that people can tell” whether a machine is “loose” or “tight,” he says. “They’re not always right, but they can sense when there’s something different, when they used to come in and play for four hours and now they’re playing for two hours with the same amount of money. Then you look around and wonder where your customers went.”
Terms like loose or tight can have dramatic public relations consequences, yet are tricky to grasp in the practical sense.
Machines that pay back 97 percent of wagers may be better for gamblers than 99 percent machines if they have a lower standard deviation — a statistical term meaning that game outcomes are less volatile and trend toward the preprogrammed payback percentage more than those with higher standard deviations.
That’s according to Tony Lucas, a casino management professor at UNLV who says a slot machine’s theoretical payback percentage has little to do with how long the player’s bankroll will last, the factor that most concerns casino managers and their customers.
Lucas has conducted multiple studies to determine whether such a correlation exists, including one in which his team lowered the theoretical payback on a bank of slot machines by more than 10 percent over time, while at the same time lowering the volatility of the games.
Bankrolls diminished more rapidly when playing higher-payback slots that were also more volatile, an indication of an inverse relationship, if any at all, he says.
Many casinos don’t bother with such mind-numbing analyses, instead relying on the simpler benchmark of payback percentage as an indicator of how much gambling time players get for their dollars, Lucas says.
It’s a poor gauge of player satisfaction, however, as players frequently complain about “tight” machines that in fact have more favorable outcomes over time — at least on paper, Lucas says.
That’s a constant problem for casinos that want to keep players happy — even those whose complaints are unfounded, he says.
Although penny-pinching gamblers can be hard to please given that slots yield wildly different outcomes for individual players, payback percentages — as a result of the cumulative effect of thousands of machines generating millions of spins — significantly affect the bottom line.
Gaughan wouldn’t give the payback percentages of the machines he was changing. But while raising the payback of a slot machine from, for example, 98 to 99 percent might not sound like much, it represents a 50 percent reduction in potential revenue, as the casino’s “hold” is cut in half. That’s why Gaughan’s slot manager initially opposed the move — and why Gaughan says some casinos are going in the other direction, acquiring higher-holding games that can boost revenue in a way that isn’t always noticeable to players.
By all accounts, Nevada casinos are squeezing more profit out of their slot machines these days. Slots, in aggregate, are keeping a higher percentage of player wagers than they were a few years ago.
For the 12 months that ended April 30, penny slots in Nevada kept 10 percent of wagers compared with 9 percent in 2005, according to the Gaming Control Board. The difference is similar for casinos in the same region as the South Point, although Gaughan claims his penny slots were higher than the geographic average even before the recent change.
The lower payback is partly the result of casinos replacing older, higher-denomination games with penny-denomination games that have lower payback percentages. Casinos and slot makers say players prefer the new games because they tend to “hit” more often.
Gaughan wasn’t so sure. Believing that the machines’ hold percentage had been set too high, he spent a few hundred dollars on each machine to insert new chips programmed with lower hold percentages. There were no regulatory hurdles, as casinos buy slots that are compatible with a range of predetermined payback percentages tested and approved by regulators beforehand.
Although Lucas doubts the effectiveness of Gaughan’s slots exercise, he says it’s understandable in a time of experimentation and uncertainty.
For Gaughan the move appears to be part hunch, part “old school” management philosophy.
“The time to tighten up your machines is when you’re doing well and the time to loosen them is when business is slow,” the 67-year-old son of longtime downtown Las Vegas casino owner Jackie Gaughan says.
Major corporations, including those that own the big casinos that compete with the South Point, are inclined to have the opposite reaction because they are driven by short-term gains in revenue that have become crucial to survival in the recession, Gaughan says.
“Slot managers are under an immense amount of pressure to make money, especially in the local market,” he says.
That strategy can backfire, though, as customers won’t come back if they burn through their cash too quickly, he says.
This much is certain, Gaughan says: “People just don’t have the money to spend.”
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Jackie taught him well. Customer service will reward them over the long run. I think I'll try South Point next time. I prefer the old 3 reel double diamond quarter machines over those "penny" video games.
i worked for michael when they 1st opened the barbary coast, class guy. thank god someone is trying something different. hope he corners the locals market big time and forces others to do the same.
i'll always remember the few years i worked at the barbary as some of my best work days, thanks mr. gaughan and mr. toti.
So, If I put 3 cents into one of his machines, it will pay back 4 cents
Cool!
It's a start..
You guys seem to know your slots,tell me, does it really make that much of a difference to someone who throws a 20 into a penny machine whether its a 90 or 99 % return? I always figured these odds were based on thousands of spins? To me it was always pick the one that was in the payout cycle at that time,purely luck.You will probly tell me I'm an idiot for playing penny machines in the first place.We usually start out losing a $100 or so in the dollars ,then we make most of it back in dribs and drabs in the pennys.
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This is what you get when you have a "gaming" person running a property. You get City Center when you have someone who is not a gaming person running a property. Gamblers appreciate a good game and value, they dont like to get screwed by MGMs and Harrahs with their tight blackjack games and slots.
Looser slots will over time encourage regulars to increase the number of trips to Las Vegas.
The perception of tight slots over the last few years, plus the recession, has prompted a large number of Las Vegas tourists, including myself, to reduce yearly trips from 4 or 5 down to 2. My wife, who generally dislikes gambling, can only tolerate slots if she is breaking even or losing slowly. Over the last couple of years she has grown to loathe Las Vegas, and I have to almost beg her to let me book a trip there for us.
I like Caveman Keno. In addition to loosening those machines, I wish the casinos would adjust them to play more slowly, or to leave the fast/medium/slow play option on the machines, so that the player can decide.
I have been going to the South Point since it opened as the South Coast. You can't beat it. It is the closest thing to old Las Vegas that you will find in today's market.
Its a no frills casino that does everything well.
In my opinion, it has the best sports book and best sports bar associated with it in town. But then you have to understand, I am not a glitz and glamour kind of guy. Just give me the basics, treat me right, keep the place clean and I am satisfied.
Sorry muddapucker but your credibility went in the toilet when you crowned South Point as the best sports book.
I went to SouthPoint a couple months ago to play the LOOSER VP. I lost my $100 in 15 minutes. It's not LOOSER slots . It Looser come on. Avoid the Casino. Anyone advertising looser VP is just lying.
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I don't understand a lot of these comments. Gambling is like playing golf -- it costs money. It's entertainment. There is that unique aspect to the game that you occasionally win -- but it still cost's you in the long run. Like golf, you can play the $20 round at the municipal course, or the $200 round at the exclusive course. It simply depends upon what you value. Play where you're having fun, and don't bet more than you want to win ;)
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SheetWise :
You must not have an awful lot of slot machine experience, because those who play them regularly, know the difference between tight machines and loose machines right off!
Good move on Gaughan's part. Hopefully he is rewarded by this action, and this trend continues.
Its comments like FromBellevilleCanada made above that drives home how visitors are starting to feel about Las Vegas. You want to gain their trust back, give them a gamble, not a "game".
Of course he won't advertise it, He'll just have the Sun write an article as if it is news and get all the free advertising he needs to hit his target market, the local losers who really think a percentage point or two makes a big difference to their chances of walking away from a slot machine with more than zero credits left.
LOL
Sheetwise said:
I don't understand a lot of these comments. Gambling is like playing golf -- it costs money. It's entertainment. There is that unique aspect to the game that you occasionally win -- but it still cost's you in the long run. Like golf, you can play the $20 round at the municipal course, or the $200 round at the exclusive course. It simply depends upon what you value. Play where you're having fun, and don't bet more than you want to win ;) I completely agree. We play quite a bit and it is entertainment for us. I probably have two dozen hand pays this year and even though I realize that I will spend most if not all of that back we will have had a heck of a time when we finish the year. We travel to great destinations and we really enjoy the experience. Free food, free drinks, and free rooms. Sure beats anything else I can think of right now.
article mentions he didn't advertise the change when he did it a few months ago... for those wondering how the Sun found out if he didn't advertise... ps. you don't think casino employees don't gossip the information around, do you??
Slots may be looser at the South Point (aka Sweat Point), but see what happens when you spread green action in their blackjack pit. A very sweaty pit with no sense of humor.
My associates and I were "backed off" in there in under 10 minutes a few weeks ago for spreading our bets from $10 to $50. Come on now. That's all it takes to get 86'd over there? Pathetic.
Apparently Mr. Gaughan is more than happy to have people play the mindless machines, but god forbid someone actually uses their brain when they play blackjack over at the Sweat Point. That is not tolerated...
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"This is the end result of all the bright lights... and the comp trips, of all the champagne... and free hotel suites, and all the broads and all the booze. It's all been arranged just for us to get your money. That's the truth about Las Vegas. We're the only winners. The players don't stand a chance. "
-- Sam "Ace" Rothstein, Casino, 1995
I commend him !!!!!! Great for everyone involved...draw people to his casino and let them have fun and get some payback. We all know gambling is just that - gambling. But if you can win a little - loose alittle - its all good. Also being the owner and only one HE has to report to, should teach the other "Corporate guys" that sometimes be "public" corp's. don't make for good partners. When you have a committee of 33 and then shareholders, how do you expect to get anything done?
I am now going to Southpoint !!!
this isn't really news, everyone knows that slot payback on the strip has always been lower than everywhere else in the valley with the airport being the worst, slot payback on the strip is approx 93.5% compared to the boulder strip which is nearly 96%
still though the strip looks good compared to other places, the big casinos in connecticut pay out less than 92%, AC about 92%
enviro
Please let me know where to get a cyrstal ball like yours as you know the differance between loose and tight machines right away. You must be in constant demand to show all the unworthy your specal skills
Martin9 - the 97% would be better than the 99% if the standard deviation is lower (volatility). If the large payouts occur less frequently, does it matter if they pay 2% more? Maybe you need to bump up your math level up out of junior high.
abrit :
Take one hundred dollars to any strip casino Blazing Sevens Dollar slot machine, play it for the full Hundred. See how fast that hundred disappears on the strip. Next take another hundred dollar bill to The Orleans and play the Blazing Sevens Dollar machines there, and my friend you will know right off the difference..
You people are SICK with all these percentage calculations!! Put a $100 in any machine and see if its your lucky day. If you can't afford it, DON'T PLAY!!! Simple
If u think I'm BS just hang out at the SOUTHPOINT for an hour and see how many Jackpots are won (NONE). You play BJ and win a few big hands and they escort u out of the Casino. They will take the penny losers any time.As for Jackpots do the same thing at the Stations and u will see at least one or two Jackpots. I'm not an employee of Stations.
Del Mar Deli - yes!!!
hey i'll bet my $22 dollars of "entertainment" keeps me in action longer out at boulder creek playing golf then it would at a casino playing slots
I love everything about the South Point except the pit. I don't understand how all of the employees in the casino are nice and friendly except for the suits in the pit. All they do is scowl at the players and act like they don't want you there. I guess they're trying to act cool or something; but it comes off as arrogant.
Michael learned how to run a Casino very well from his wonderful Father Jackie
stevem Do some research most of the real rich individuals are not right wing conservative nut jobs, they really are liberal thinking: Bill Gates and Warren Buffet for instance. The real evel are the corporate people and those that have no regard for others. You right wingers just never stop, but then again you are never right either.
bape702 said "Modern gaming machines are networked together to a central console. Hold values and paytables can be changed instantly by a single technician at a computer terminal without having to physically touch any gaming machine."
Actually the only casino that has server based gaming is the Aria at City Center..
The techs do have to get into the machines to change the hold %. If I had machines that were 10-12% holds in the casino I work at..we wouldnt have any players. Our house hold % is 5%
gmag is right. stevem just turns every story line into political bs. His views are ridiculous and his rants are delusional. Go bother someone who enjoys lunatics.
dhvincent 1 is another nut job who can't tell the difference in the Sun reporting on elected officials (Reids) and advertising. Right wing sniveling nut job.
Used to play VP there until they changed the pay table on bonus poker to 7/5 from 8/5, now we go to Red Rock where we get 8/5 bonus poker.........
Michael Gaughan knows how to treat locals! He was taught by Jackie (a true Vegas legend). I support the South Point even though I drive past other properties. Playing machines are "entertainment" and not a means to get rich quick scheme. I want the most bang for my buck and I play at the South Point!
I thought this was one of the most interesting articles I've read on the gaming industry in years. Thanks for the education.
OK Bape..if you say so...then please name the other casinos that are server based?
The breakfast buffet had old and cold food, no wonder no one was there.
TERRIBLE customer service in the casino in this joint--lots of attitude and typical of a gaughan joint--they sweat every penny and hire alot of inexperienced people and teach them to be rude to the customers and sweat the money. The restaurants are the only saving grace in this place, and the sports book is open all night. None of these casinos gives a rats a$$ about the players-period!
mred:
Try the Bangers.
michael gaughan places have always sweated the money. i worked at the gold coast in the 80's and i hated it. the barbary was famous for treating dealers badly and being big time sweaters
I firmly believe that it all depends on what kind of payout you are playing for. I, personally, am a big payout player. If I sit down at a $2 machine and risk $1000, the change in percentage of payout may not matter because I will play through most of the small payouts anyway. I guess the only benefit to me would be a bit more playing money. I do realize that many visitors to Vegas do not play this way and they would somewhat benefit from frequency of small payouts. I will say that on my last trip to Vegas we stayed at Harrahs and I spent alot of time on a 3x4x5x machine. The largest payout I recieved was $900.00. Needless to say I did not do well on the trip. It is just a chance that you take.
another problem with the gaughan properties is they always staff the key positions with friends of the family with no regard to qualifications or professionalism. They key staff are always "juiced" and have no chance of being fired unless they steal, so they treat the help like dirt and the customers worse and don't really care because they are buddies of the owners. A couple years ago i sent a letter to the general manager and casino manager about the horrible service with no response, I will never play at that property again. Silverton is equally bad. Both properties have decent food places--so it's a shame the casinos are so bad in both.
I have had luck at the Eastside Cannery lately. They have pretty decent food too. I used to be loyal to the Red Rock but not since they have taken away my free play. Now I get a 3x multiplier from them that is only good once a week. LOL I have not been to the South Point, it is too far from my home.
Stay home save your money..you don't stand a chance anywhere.
"The time to tighten up your machines is when you're doing well and the time to loosen them is when business is slow," the 67-year-old son of longtime downtown Las Vegas casino owner Jackie Gaughan says.
That said by an old school casino boss that make a lot of sense.
Harrah's and MGM Resorts should pay attention to these words.
Best and loosest slot in Vegas: SECRET
Go to Bob Spudpacks old place, walk in front door, down to row 4, left
3 paces, then sit at the slot that says: 2cents.
Put .50 cents per pull, and in 63 minutes you will make at least $.55 cents.
You are an idiot, boomer111
I just noticed that there are no more 100 per cent videopoker machines. They used to be in the hallway to the equestrian arena. I was very sad when I saw the change. I don't think the SouthPoint will raise the 98.9 per cent videopoker machines to 100.06 per cent machines. Very unlikely. Would be great to see at least a few Optimum Play machines back in there, even if they cut the comp points on these machines. I love the 10-6 double double bonus machines, but they're getting rare in this town....
Why aren't all Nevada gaming devices required by law to display their "holds" and "deviations" to patrons?
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I'll stop by later this afternoon and see if they are really "looser"! LOL
OK, I don't get it with you guys..you're all Bitchin' about loose / tight..if my "old" math is correct. regardless of the percentage, if you put $1 in and they pay back 97% or 98 or even 99% - aren't you still loosing? Why argue about 1 or 3 % points. You are there to have fun. If you are trying to make a living playing slots, you are gonna take a LOOOONNGGG time and should find a new career...
I noticed that Red Rock machines got tighter so I stopped going there.
In the old days it seemed like you would hit a lot of cherries and lemons and you would play for while until you maybe hit something bigger or not.
But it was fun.
Now you put bills in the receptors and they just get sucked up quickly.
It's not fun anymore.
If the hold percentages indeed are being remote-controlled and can be switched anytime the casino wants, then it raises a lot of questions. In particular, a player who has been on a winning streak lately and suddenly starts losing badly might get the feeling by inserting his players card the computer program spots the winner and instantly changes the payout percentages. This might lead to other conclusions: The player might not use his players card anymore after experiencing a lucky streak because of being afraid that the payouts would be switched and the machine would start making a killing on him.
As a consequence, the player would not receive any comps because his players card is not inserted.
To the smart guys, they might team-up and play with differen players cards. If Frank is playing with Bill's card , Bill doesn't care if Frank wins or loses. At least the comp points are being given to somebody.
However, if Bill tells Frank that he's been losing lately, Frank will gladly insert Bills card when he wants to go and play. But what if Bill is not saying the truth and only wants somebody else to play through the "negative series" set by the remote controlled "slot-percentage-god"????
To me, this entire subject may only lead to one conclusion: Players will play less on the super modern slotmachines, simply because they're afraid that they are not being given a fair chance of winning, for a good reason!
I wonder if they can do the same on videopoker, as well. Everybody says that the hold percentage on v-p is only being given by the paytables, as shown on the screen. But then, I noticed from the countless hours of videopoker I played so far, there are really strange streaks. Sometimes I get Aces within short minutes back to back, and then there are hours when I don't hit anyhthing. Would be too much to believe that this is computer controlled, but if it is, I think videopoker is no longer what it used to be.
The entire subject can only lead to one conclusion:
Players will play less or quit playing, or, alternatively, will play more live games in the pit, or, even better, live poker where they at least see that a normal game is being run.
From Switzerland
As a person who comes to Vegas once or sometimes 2 times a year, we stay at South Point.
I feel with the "looser slots" I am more willing to spend money at the restaurants, gaming tables etc. rather than driving all over Vegas for another casino.
I considere it donating.
I do not come to win or gamble to win. I come to Vegas to have a little fun and would like to sit at a slot machine longer to lose my money. Its all about fun, not how much you can win. Winning is a plus.
fblaha.. I would love to have u as a customer in my business. You just want a little fun. How about leaving your money at the front desk.Do you think that Gaughan and others run their business that way they wouldn't be in business. BTW I hope u don't run your business that way. Remember leave your money at the front desk and u will get comped for breakfast.
Mr. Gaughan has more compassion than any corporate manager (IE: Boyd Gaming). He is truly concerned, not only for his employees, but his customers also. Las Vegas needs more Gaughans in the business and Las Vegas wouldn't be in the shape it is now. I would support any business Mr. Gaughan owned or operated. His father did teach him well. It's not by accident his current and former employees love the man.
The customer will still lose the bankroll. But it will take much longer. The customer will have more fun. The customer will buy food and drinks in the place they play. They'll have a good couple of days instead of a bad couple of hours. It's good business sense. The only thing that hurts them (the casino) is bad location. Maybe this will help to make up for that. But it should lead to repeat business and loyal customers. Especially if those customers venture off to Harrahs properties for a while.
>Gaughan didn't advertise the change.
Somehow the reporter learned about it and apparently he gave an interview.
>few hundred slot machines...
Out of over 2,300 slot machines, 300 undisclosed is not all that high a number.
Please note. The article claims certain slot machines were loosened but makes no statements about other slot machines having been tightened.
Loose, looser, loosest ... there is little Truth in Advertising in Las Vegas but with regard to these terms it pretty much boils down to its not worth walking next door to a different casino because the grass is probably the same shade of green there too.
the progressive videopoker bank at the main bars is pretty nasty and teasing at the same time. It's a 5-9 double double bonus version but since there are , from what I counted, approx 50 machines linked to this jackpot, it gets high pretty fast but then somebody out of 50 or even more wins it, therefore making it a big losing game to all other players sitting at the bar. I played there this spring when it was over 3100 usd , which is extremely good for quarter videopoker. Of course, somebody else hit the Royal while I lost about 350 dollars within these 2 hours of playing there....
If this represents some change of policy at South Point then I wonder why the craps tables are still at 2x odds when half of LasVegas is at 5x, many are at 10x and some are at 20x. Yet South Point lags behind with a tight-fisted 2x.
And if the policy is going towards looser machines, why then did they take out all 100 per cent videopoker? It was fair enough that they were pretty slow and had a vertical screen, but this was still the best kind of videopoker in the entire casino. I hope some of Mr Gaughan's friends or family members will read this and decide to bring'em back, these great Optimum Play Videopoker machines :)
From Switzerland
Don't get me wrong. I think that casinos should indeed be more generous and that most casinos are acting towards their customers today as if there were no recession.
The actions taken by Mr. Gaughan were quite correct, but they are insufficient and clearly do not indicate any fundamental changes that have taken place. It seems to me that the chip changes were but a technically necessary precursor to the writing of the deceptive article.
PACMAN720: WHERE DO YOU WORK???
CHAZBEAN: he didnt advertize 'looser' VP just a few looser penny slots.
hey, i hope his business picks up 25-50% so the other yoyos find out that all us visitors are looking for is a few free drinks & a preceived value for our dollar. we know we will lose but we want to do over our trip not on day 1. when you had players lined up to stay/gamble at your casino you could drain them quick. but now that you are starving for customers give them a square deal. word of mouth is more powerful than any pretty caino, volcano or pirate battle.
to the person who said they (southpoint) had a good sports book: do they give drink tickets out? we have been at the ORLEANS since they blew up the STARDUST & they give us good drink ticket service for march madness (& a great place to watch the games) but their slot payback SUCKS!!!!!!!!
Its good to have the nimbleness that results from there being no committees and its certainly good to have an independent when other players in town form an oligarchy, but this puff piece creates a lingering impression of some major change having taken place and that is simply not true.
The most recent Southpoint marketing strategy is to advertise so-called "50 per cent days". During a 72 hours period, the hotel offers rooms at a 50 per cent discount from the prevailing rate. This may sound really good and I was also waiting for this promotion to get started just to find out that the days I wanted to book are not really 50 per cent off from the current online rate.
end of part I, please proceed to part II of this episode....
part II of a very interesting analysis:
Here's another "trick" some hotels use to falsely advertise low rates online. They offer 2 different kinds of rates online, that is the "prevailing rate", plus in this example, the "hottest price rate", that can be fund at present time for up to 3 months in advance. If you try to book more than 3 months ahead of schedule, then you are forced to book at the "prevailing rate".
Now what the Southpoint does is that they DE-ACTIVATE the possibility of booking the hottest summer rate during this 72 hour promotion. So, the rates indicated by the system are only the "prevailing rates", and they are usually shown much higher than the "hot summer rate". In this example, rates for the very same day vary from 42 dollars and 70 dollars, weekdays.
Although it's nice that the Southpoint is not charging any resort fee and the fact that the rooms at the Southpoint are really nice, indeed, this marketing strategy is far from being "nice" at all.
They advertise by email that something GREAT AND SOMETHING BIG is happening, but then, once you wait for these 72 hour period during which you can book your rooms cheaply, then you will find out at the discount from the "hot summer rate" to the 50 per cent discounted "prevailing rate" is very slim to nil!
This is another way to try out something, and I think it even works out. The marketing department can show the hotel management that during these 72 hours the number of room reservations has gone up rapidly compared to the days before and after this "promotion", but at the same time, the hotel is not offering the rooms any cheaper than it does through the "hot summer rates", anyways.
Station Casinos is also offering different kinds of rates directly on the website. The call it "online special" or just the regular "prevailing" rate. If you have a 2-for-1 coupon, it can only be used by booking the prevailing rate, which is about 50% higher than the online special. But at least the Southpoint is not adding ridiculous Mickey Mouse resort fees, such as Station Casinos do. I did the math and came to the conclusion that Station Casinos rooms are ok if you have a 2-for-1 coupon, but way to expensive compared to other hotels if you don't have a discount. Simply because of the resort fee and the rate-switch they apply.
Southpoint Casino is offering great rooms at great rates, but it's not true that the 50 per cent discount days are really 50 per cent off the actual rates, but only from the prevailing rates. Nobody is booking the higher (prevailing) rates if there's a lower rate online available. Only idiots do.
From Switzerland