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Gov. Jim Gibbons gave an emergency State of the State address at 6 p.m. Monday, Feb. 8. Video is courtesy KVBC Channel 3.
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For all his promises to not raise taxes — and he considers fees as taxes — Gov. Jim Gibbons seems to be proposing just that as a way to solve the state’s budget crisis.
Among groups targeted by increases in fees and other charges in Gibbons’ plan to address the state’s revenue shortfall are poor parents of children insured by the state, inmates and disabled veterans.
In his State of the State speech Monday, Gibbons said: “In this tough economy, we cannot ask our citizens to pay new taxes. They have nothing left to give. We cannot ask our businesses to pay more taxes. Many of them are struggling just to stay open ... I reaffirm my word to you tonight: As long as I serve as your governor, I will not raise taxes.”
Gibbons was asked by reporters after the speech whether he would consider raising fees to fill the $881 million deficit, as some legislators have suggested. He said he would not, citing his belief that “fees are taxes.”
The governor’s remarks indicate he either has a more nuanced interpretation of the revenue increases in his plan or isn’t aware of everything his administration has proposed.
The proposed increases, which the Legislature will consider during a special session this month, include:
• Higher fees for restaurants to fully cover the cost of health inspections. This would raise $550,000.
• An increase in the health insurance premiums paid by 12,000 poor families whose children are insured through Nevada Check Up. The proposal would increase fees from $25 to $75 per quarter for some families, and $80 to $180 for others, depending on income. This would raise $1 million.
• Raising by 8 percent the rates paid by veterans and their families at the nursing home for veterans in Boulder City. This increase was approved by Gibbons and the other two members of the Board of Examiners on Tuesday. It is expected to raise $350,000.
• Higher fees for birth and death certificates. Health and Human Services Director Mike Willden told a legislative committee this week that the state could raise about $368,000 by increasing the cost per certificate from $13 to $20.
• A one-time charge to prison inmates based on the electronic devices they own.
In 2007, soon after Gibbons took office, his general counsel issued a memo to department heads clarifying the governor’s stance on fees. “New fees would run afoul of the governor’s policy,” then-general counsel Josh Hicks wrote.
So what has changed, other than the state’s vast deficit?
Lynn Hettrick, Gibbons’ deputy chief of staff, said no new memo or order has gone out to departments. “The governor is against fee increases,” he said.
Hettrick said some of the increases can be attributed to department heads, who submitted lists of cuts and other savings equaling 10 percent of operating costs.
“The governor has looked at the list of cuts, but he has not gone down to reading every word and every cut,” Hettrick said. “There are 86 pages.”
Dan Burns, Gibbons’ spokesman, attempted to clarify the governor’s position on taxes and fees.
“If the group that pays the fee agrees to pay the fee, and the group that pays the fee gets the advantage of the fee, then the governor won’t stand in the way,” Burns said.
He offered the higher rates at the veterans home as an example: Veterans groups turned out to support the increase, noting that it would preserve the home’s standard of care.
Gibbons was elected in 2006 on the promise that he wouldn’t raise taxes. To much fanfare, he also signed the Taxpayer Protection Pledge during that campaign, and has seemingly staked his re-election to the claim that he has kept that promise.
But Nevada’s keeper of the oath, Chuck Muth, president of the conservative group Citizen Outreach, said there’s no exemption to the pledge if affected groups voluntarily agree to fee increases.
“Usually they’re agreeing with a gun to their head,” he said.
Muth said the restaurant inspection fee increase would clearly violate the pledge. But it’s less clear for the health insurance premium increase. He compared it to a college tuition increase, which Muth said does not violate the pledge.
“You have the option of not going to college. You have the option of not opting into the health care program,” Muth said. “It’s not a mandatory fee.”
Muth criticized Gibbons last year for including a hotel room tax increase in the budget he submitted to the Legislature. Gibbons defended the move, saying voters in Clark and Washoe counties had approved the increase in an advisory ballot question. In a move that critics described as an attempt to have it both ways, Gibbons allowed the room tax increase to become law without his signature.
Burns said the increased costs of children’s health insurance premiums “are neither fees nor taxes.”
“It’s an example of a product that has simply become more expensive for the state, and the raise in premiums is just an increase in cost, for something that costs the state more money,” he said.
This parsing over whether a fee is a tax, and what fee increases are acceptable to conservative constituencies misses the larger point, said Eric Herzik, professor of political science at UNR.
Even Gibbons doesn’t think state government is so bloated that you can cut $881 million from its budget, he said.
“This is splitting hairs. No new taxes, but these fees are OK? It shows that his no-new-tax pledge can’t get you there.”
The $418 million in cuts and revenue increases that the governor’s staff have proposed will address less than half of the deficit. To cut the entire $881 million would equal close to 20 percent of state spending, something that neither Gibbons nor his staff has proposed.
Instead, Gibbons and lawmakers are looking at ways to raise revenue, from raiding local government funds collected for public work projects to using cameras to find and ticket uninsured motorists and unregistered vehicles, which the administration predicts could raise $100 million.
Herzik characterized the camera-enforcement proposal as “using an intrusive regulatory regime not to boost compliance — usually the goal of regulation — but as a way to generate money.
“This isn’t about noninsured drivers. This is about making money off a government regulation. It’s the very thing conservatives go ballistic over ... It shows that the magnitude of cuts he’s faced with is just going to be politically unpalatable.”
After his speech Monday, Gibbons was asked why he did not propose more cuts to operating expenses.
He responded by accusing a reporter of not understanding the budget. “You would take the budget, 54 percent of which is education, and throw it out the window,” he told the reporter.
Asked then why he had called the state budget bloated in his speech, Gibbons said he had been referring to prior budgets, not this one.







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Phoenix has put a 2% tax on food and laid off 350 police and fire employes. Taxes should be raised on people making over 250,000. Also a tax should be placed on all out of state syndicated talk radio programs. We should also raise taxes on candy.
Good job, Mr. Muth.
Thank you for explaining that when the going gets tough, the State of Nevada invites anyone costing them anything at all, not matter their prior contribution to the country or Nevada, to leave the state and become another state's expense. That's regressive values, all right.
CUSTOMER INFLOW, COST OUTFLOW.
Californians, Texans, and other states' residents with smaller Vegas target markets are paying attention, and it's probably not going to help Vegas gaming and entertainment industry with their customer base in the future as regional options continue to develop closer to customer's homes.
All those pretty girls flocking to town to walk around serving drinks can be just as happy in other places, as can the dealers. You didn't have them flocking in during the 80s, and you may lose the attractions again before it's all said and done. Young people move for opportunities, they go where the best deal is to be found. How it IS.
The way several nutjobs are running the state and it's people (and some of the property?) into the water closet, even with 2003 level gaming revenue numbers, which were (are) not bad numbers, a few of the world class megaresorts may turn out to be big, oversized, functionally obsolete barges devoid of foot traffic before, again, it's all said and done. Too big to fail? Retraction? Then where will the Nevada gated communities get the regressive tax revenues for 50,000 dollar palm trees, repavements and replacement light bulbs for the street lights?
What was the media story yesterday, something about a diaper shortage for the indigent elderly?
Here's a monkey in your wrench, legalities aside. Persons also have the option of "voluntarily" not operating a restaurant, as with healthcare and education. One may "opt out", rather than volunteer to pay the fee increase.
It would be nice to see a lot of the nutjobs opt out of Nevada and move somewhere else, you know, SPREAD OUT some. Ah, but the real problem, they would be less welcome in those new places, perhaps uncomfortable around educated residents, residents who might even welcome new restaurant investment capital with some nice young staff servers who didn't have to move to Vegas for a service job.
Nevada has too many strong assets on the ground to not bounce back eventually, BUT THE NUTJOBS ARE ADDING SIGNIFICANT WEIGHT TO THE SLOW CLIMB BACK UP. BAD VALUES = REDUCED OUTCOMES.
just because the rest of the world wants to commit suicide, that doesnt mean that nevadans want to follow.
If You want to TAX Progressives or other socialists be my guest. We can set up a register for them and tax them so they can pay their "fair share" (their words not mine), That way the rest of us can take care of our own families and not be bothered by these anti-american anti-constutional anti-family TWEZODS
Gibbons has hung tough on cost reductions and holding the line on tax increases. Nevada is one of the states in the fiscal conservative ranks.
Muth is the Savonarola of Nevada's conservative movement. Just as intolerant, self-serving, dangerous, and extreme.
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Oh, please dont' tell me this is real.
Balance the budget on the backs of the poor? The reason they have health insurance is because they live below the poverty line. So, let's take food out of those children's mouths to balance the budget?
Or on the backs of prisoners, most of whom are indigent? Where does Gibbons think prisoners get the money they have? They get it from their families. That would be a tax on the families of inmates no matter how you slice it. How much does he think they can pay when they only make a few cents an hour for their labors?
What the heck is wrong with this guy?
Blame it all on Gibbons, but what about the democrats? Don't they control the legislature?
Sort of like republicans blaming Obama for not being able to fix the disaster left by Bush.
Politicians are disgusting. If this one keeps his promise, eventually balancing the state budget is impossible. George W. Bush with his moronic "read my lips, no new taxes" was another example.
If raising taxes is off the table, then only spending cuts remain available, but politicians seem just as loathe to significantly reduce spending, so they just tinker around the edges saving a few million here and there.
Besides, spending cuts take time to be noticeable. Tax increases can be almost immediate.
It isn't just Nevada and America. Canada and my province of Ontario are just now running huge deficits. At least in Canada the public will swallow tax increases. Americans seem totally opposed to either spending cuts or more taxes. I guess you are just hoping for a boom in the economic tide to raise revenue. Good luck.
Raising college is a substantial past and potential future "fee increase" for students and their parents that was not covered in the article.
The poor still may too little towards healthcare.
They can have as many kids as they like and we all have to pay for it.
Gibbons is a scum bag, but I support him on the budget.
A fee is the cost of supplying a service where the recipient both pays and receives. A tax is an amount everyone has to pay and then it is spent to provide services to the public regardless of if you use them.
A fare on a bus is a fee. The taxes we collect from everyone to buy the bus is a tax. Cut taxes and increase fees.
Do you realize that people making over $250k already pay the bulk of the taxes? Do you?
While it sounds good, because so few people make that much, why not, right?
People like me, not only don't pay any tax cause of my low income, BUT we get 5 times as much as was withheld. Our system is already out of wack, that "taxing the rich" is getting disgusting.
Every American should contribute something and we should STOP punishing those of our society that find a little success. over 50% of all taxes are already paid by the top 10% of income earners.
Also, that arbitrary $250k also counts small businesses who carry inventory. So, In a slow year like 2009, while inventory sits stagnant and income was down, that business owner still gets it stuck to him or her.
Think it through and stop drinking the kool-aid. My 16 year old fell for the $250k too. Unfortunately, EVERYONE ends up paying with lesser jobs and higher prices.
PS - Don't know much about your Governor, but I think more concentration can be given to usage fees and DMV charges, that type of stuff instead of raising actual taxes.
Who do you work for Chuck Muth? Muth is just another hired gun to speak for someone else. Mr. Muth go back to D.C. and stop fleecing Nevada with your paid for ideology. Stop being a puppet a go get a job. My other question is, do you have strings or someones hand shoved up your ....
is it me...
or...
is that little gibbons monkey starting to remind anybody else of sarah "dumb as a bag of rocks" palin...
this guy just has some memorized talking points...
like cut taxes...
relies on populism...
enjoys disagreeing with people...
is dumb dumb dumb...
which means he has no ability to solve complex problems...
has no leadership skills...
commands the respect of no one...
has a little problem with the facts...
hey jimmy boy...
did you read the police report???
did you read the police report???
hmmm???
what a loser that little gibbons monkey is...
l-o-s-e-r!!!
I see now what is going to hold his plan together....
That stuff you find on the floors of chicken coops.
At least the mansion servants and jet fleet is untouched and Big Gambling and Big Mining are still the untouchables.
OMG I agree with Neiman! Raise Fees and lower taxes is a good option. Pay for what you consume.
Casinos need to pay for what they steal from their customers
Mred
Why just raise taxes on those making over $250,000? My family certainly would not be considered wealthy and we paid $100,000 in federal income tax alone last year after deductions. Not to mention the state sales taxes we paid on purchases. We pay to educate our own children so we don't burden the public school system. Just how much do you expect us to pay for C-Sakes!
Go ahead and raise taxes on those that make over $250,000. I will pass it on to my customers and reduce my staff by an employee or two to maintain my ROI.
anything to not reduce thier salaries and bring them in line with regular workers. all state and county need to quit the town meetings, we have already said what has to be said... you are just prolonging the inevitable. REDUCE YOUR SALARIES, STOP PAYING FOR THE RETIREMENTS OF THE COUNTY AND STATE WORKERS.... LET THEM PAY THEIR OWN JUST LIKE REGULAR CITIZENS DO,,,
NOW READ MY LIPS
We wouldn't be in this mess if the state legislature had any amount of fiscal control - ie made sustainable budgets rather than spending every dime we had
http://npri.org/publications/about-that-...
Raising taxes is the wrong answer. The private sector has already paid enough and the recession has yet to hit the government sector very hard
http://npri.org/publications/wait--you-s...
hey blake...
save the threat for somebody who cares...
always a threat with these clowns...
blah blah blah...
yada yada yada...
these threats are bull crap...
do not be fooled boys and girls...
they are meaningless...
we must raise taxes on those who have benefitted the most from the system...
period...
end of story...
now...
right now...
funny thing...
did you notice how blake just had to brag about how much he makes...
hee hee hee...
cry about taxes on the one hand...
then brag about how rich you are on the other...
enough is enough...
I'll feel sorry for the "poor" having to pay $75 a quarter for their insurance the day their kids stop coming into my classroom (which is mostly low-income kids who get free lunch) with their PSPs and cell phones! They sure seem to have enough money to buy that kind of stuff, but not $25 a month for their own healthcare??
If you pay 100k in Fed taxes on $250k, you need a better accountant.
@blake, if you paid that much in taxes and are not rich you have a very, very bad accountant. If your income is over $250,000 a year, most of the people in this country would consider you wealthy. Most of the world would consider you extremely rich.
$250,000 a year is one of the nation's top income earners (at least top 5% maybe even better). You would pay around $80,000 in Federal income taxes, more if you lived in a state with an income tax.
Then of course you have sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, sin taxes, taxes on your investments and rents, taxes on energy consumption, luxury taxes, property transfer taxes, taxes on your vacation, insurance premium taxes and a host of other fees...
So yes, someone earning $250,000 a year could easily pay over $100,000 a year in taxes.
Mred,
Phoenix is also giving away $97 million to a developer to but a high-end retail mall in the whitest and richest area of Phoenix in exchange for 200 parking spaces the city will get for the next 40 years.
The reason why cities and state governments are broke is because they have dumb, unsustainable spending policies.
Did anyone notice that Jim Gibbons's aide--who fought every sign of progress when he was in the legislature--said the Goobernor isn't familiar with everything because it's 86 pages long? If he could read 86 pages of text messages from one of his mistresses, you would think he could read an 86-page report. Unless, of course, he doesn't know how to read, as seems likely.
No to new taxes! Balance your budget! Make cuts were needed and don't create new wasteful programs. People look at raising taxes as the answer to everything when it is the very reason we keep getting ourselves into these messes.
Nevada is dying economically. Some businesses expect to see the Nevada economy shrink 25% because the State too heavily depended on visitors spending their discretionary income on tourism and gambling; that discretionary income vanished in this horrific economy. Despite 40 states opening up casino gambling, Nevada did little during the good times to attract non-gaming and non-tourist industries to employ its Citizens year around. Now Nevada is trapped. It has the most foreclosed homes in the nation and the second highest unemployment. Last year 20 percent of Nevada Revenues were derived from the Economic Stimulus Plan and that will end soon. Nevada is paying $20-million a week in unemployment and that cannot go forever, paying people not producing. When Nevada unemployment benefits are exhausted, retail and gambling will be further hit having to layoff workers; Nevada will lose more tax revenues. NV now owes the Feds one billion in loans used to pay unemployment; that cannot continue forever. Nevada should start cutting the salaries of State government bureaucracies including teachers. In some cases two State employees could be hired for the price of one.
I wasn't aware that 40 states now have casino gambling. But what I am aware of is 3:2 blackjack in other states, which has been the standard for years in gaming. With Harrahs offering 6:5 blackjack people are taking their gambling money elsewhere. That means something has to give. Either taxes go up or spending goes down. Probably both. Raising the taxes on the rich will drive them to low tax states which will drive up everybody elses taxes who stays. Spend that tax money wisely because the free ride is over.
"So yes, someone earning $250,000 a year could easily pay over $100,000 a year in taxes."
I guess these poor souls would have to slum it with only $150,000 to spend. Man, who could survive on that?
You're completely out of touch, Patrick.
You can tell that ksand99 is a Liberal, when he mocks a family who EARNS $250,000 per year.
Liberals and their income redistribution motto:
"You earn too much, give some to me..."
Governments are supposed to run surplus budgets and save up money for when recessions occur.
However, the repugnicans have convince legislators not to store up money for times like this and not to spend money on infrastructure improvements that create jobs and reduce the impact of ressessions.
Those stupid repugnican tax cuts and decrease infrastructure spending are now haunting us.
Maybe they will learn this time. NOT! rich people are too greedy and NEVER pay their fair taxes.
They ALL have tax loopholes. That's why they are rich.
How about Gibbons and all the teabaggers who are making a living on the state dole step down from their state payrolled jobs? They are living and waking in hypocrisy.
Gibbons had no trouble getting pork for Sierra Nevada corp and Warren Trepp when he was in Congress and he didn't blink an eye when he passed out taxpayer's money to defense contractor pals, but he tightens up the sphincter over helping disabled vets and other disadvantaged people in this state that has been gutted by greed? Give me a break!
What's wrong with Tea Party people working for the state?
By the way it's "Tea Party."
Using vulgarism does not give your rant any credibility...
Green Party is coming. All is well.
Green Party? I saw your website. It looks like a 9 year old did it. Love the part where you want racial slurs, homophobia, and sexism to come back. AKA "Political Correctness" interfers with your free speech!
Speak up you coward. You have nothing to say. You will get no where in the election, but you want attention and this is your little outlet.
What is the Green Party?
Is it an offshoot from the Tea Party?
If so, will it be called the "Green Tea Party?"
The majority of these things are NOT tax increases. Asking people to pay more for the FREE subsidies they receive on services that the state pays for is NOT a tax increase. $75 a quarter for health insurance is a steal! Veterans paying 8% more towards the nursing home services is also not bad! These freeloaders need to pay up!
The states that give away the most money to the "private" sector are in the south. Billions have been given to automakers (most of them foreign firms) to put car plants in places like South Carolina, MS, GA, TN etc.
Mortgage interest deduction, IRA tax-shielding, muni-bonds, alone should keep someone making $250k from paying more than $70k in taxes. The guy is a phoney anyway. If you don't like the taxes, move to Haiti, because everywhere else in Western Europe, Japan, etc you'd pay a lot more in taxes.
Run on the platform of keeping taxes low for people making $250k and you'll lose every election.
True... with a "fee", you can elect to use the service - or not, and the difference is that the police (or other agency) won't come forcibly take it from you.
It amazes me... people like mred, etc. who have no problem with going up to Seven Hills or whatever and literally going house to house and saying "you have too much nice stuff, we're going to need some $ for that", etc.
It's sick. between ksand99, mred, and the guy axing the baby, I'm thoroughly disgusted.
Rwolf said "Some businesses expect to see the Nevada economy shrink 25% because the State too heavily depended on visitors spending their discretionary income on tourism and gambling; that discretionary income vanished in this horrific economy."
Wrong rWolf. Sure, some of the revenue loss can be attributed to the nationwide economy, but in this case it's because businesses are leaving in droves (by the thousands) because it is not cost effective to operate here any longer. Nevada stopped being "business friendly" to everyone but casinos and whorehouses in the last 8 years.
The business friendly low tax climate that grew the city to current levels is now gone.
Not to mention that most of our visitors that really spent the big $ were run out of town by Steven Horsford and Barbara Buckley with the doubling of the business license fee.
Look at the Secretary of State Q4 report when its released and you'll see the damage. These were the people that spent 60% or more of the money spent in Vegas - and they aren't coming back.
Amazing how many of you don't want to pay your FAIR share and expect State workers to pay your way. I have no empathy for the POOR people I see drive up to my children's day care in there Escalades and Crossovers complaining about paying $40 a week for 4 kids because they get Children's Cabinet. I have to pay $1100 a month for two kids and drive a car that is over 10 yrs old. No new car for me, but the welfare recipient with the brand new car deserves better since they did not plan for their family and expected the State to pay their way. Much like those of you who expect State workers to pay your way. Poor people can't pay an extra $50 a quarter for health insurance? Seriously? Can you really say that with a straight face?
"It's sick. between ksand99, mred, and the guy axing the baby, I'm thoroughly disgusted."
Glad to know basic reasoning leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
Just like when Michael Steele whined a few weeks back that earning a million dollars isn't that much.
The republican party is absolutely out of touch.
Shhh, CarsonReader. You don't want to make those babies earning $150,000 a year cry. HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE?
Liberals always spout paying FAIR share, but for Liberals, fair share means income redistribution...
Republicans and Libertarians want income redistribution via school vouchers. Church reseives tax mooney and tax payers are stuck with the bill.
RepubliCONs/Can'ts right wing nuts have been redistributing my tax funds for decades to fund their corporations, bonus, big bank bailouts, big oil welfare and war machine!
One area that the Gov & most of the people in politics have either not, or not adequately looked at to raise revenue for the State are a crackdown on motorists statewide who feel that it is their right to completely disobey the traffic laws. The amount of revenue that could be generated by issuing citations for the many jaywalkers, red light runners, etc, we could, most likely get out of this fiscal hole that we are in now. And, instead of just a slap on the wrist for the violations...money only to be accepted, in full, no discounts. Not only will we be filling our coffers, but hopefully be saving a few lives also.
Hey Nick... Look around. Not all private schools are Parochial...
Actually, I'm not dumb and not a puppet at all. I have a philosophy that has worked for Americans in the past. I am also an un-degreed accountant and I care about the financial viability of everyone, not just a certain sect of our society. There is nothing wrong with wanting unfair taxation to end.
Ever notice that when liberals get involved in debates and are faced with actual facts that can be verified (like the percentage of taxes that are paid by who), the resort to name calling and disparaging remarks?
Is that how you raise your children to behave or do you teach them about personal responsibility?
If you can prove to me that my simplified tax analysis is incorrect, please let me know.
RE: Gems of Nirvana
First, a non-degreed accountant is a bookkeeper, in professional industry language. There is nothing negative in that, there exist bookkeepers who do accruals better than some CPAs for their respective employers.
Second, there was a spokesman from the Wall Street Journal on Fox the other night stating a majority of this country's wealth belonged to the middle class. Can't have it both ways.
The words liberal and conservative have too many meanings on too different many issues for too many diverse people. As such, those words take away from issue discussion, they do not contribute. Rather than assigning word labels to issue positions, it would be more constructive to state facts supporting one's statements, opinions and/or hypotheses.
The true solutions for America today lie in a better understanding of where values (that support policy, programs, law) need to be in American society, investing in the majority of households-families that must sustain and grow wealth as the atoms of our society. The atoms of our society are not just corporations and their lobbyists.
Now, how we get there is subject to debate.
Progressive vs regressive taxation is a part of that debate, one which facts from recent history suggest do not support positive outcomes for American families from supply-side, top-down wealth redistribution and savings.