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Government should find ways to accommodate military, renewable energy
Monday, Aug. 30, 2010 | 2:01 a.m.
The West, particularly Nevada, would seem to be the perfect place to focus the nation’s renewable energy effort given the wide open spaces and abundance of solar, wind and geothermal resources. But one of the difficulties developers have run into is that much of the land is federally owned and energy plants can pose a problem.
Although developments are typically planned for sites overseen by the Bureau of Land Management, energy projects can cause problems for another federal landowner — the military. Wind turbines, for example, can create problems for radar, affecting military training.
This has created a dilemma for the Defense Department, said Dorothy Robyn, deputy undersecretary of defense for installations. In testimony before a congressional committee in June, Robyn said the military “must maintain the capabilities needed to defend the nation, including our surveillance network and our irreplaceable test and training ranges.”
But, she added, “At the same time, the department strongly supports the development of renewable energy and is a recognized leader in the use of solar, geothermal, wind and other renewable sources.”
The Defense Department has been trying to find ways to make things work, especially in the West, where there are critical installations used for testing and training, including immense ranges in California and Nevada.
As The New York Times reported Thursday, the military has opposed plans to put more wind turbine projects in some areas of the Mojave Desert in California because they cause problems for radar. Clusters of turbines, some as tall as 400 feet, can interfere with radar, creating blind spots or sending wrong signals. Peter Drake of radar manufacturer Raytheon told the Times that on radar “a wind turbine can look like a 747 on final approach.”
Officials say wind turbines along the Tehachapi Mountains in California near Edwards Air Force Base have limited the military’s ability to test radar in the area.
Technically, it can be difficult to filter out wind turbines with computer fixes. As Drake noted, “We don’t want to have the software eliminate a real 747.”
Part of the problem is the military radar — some of it in the U.S. dates to the 1950s and has limited computing power. Robyn said the Defense Department plans to more aggressively replace older radar. Nevertheless, she also noted the need to improve planning and coordination between federal agencies involved in the process of approving energy projects, the military and developers.
The Air Force held its Forum on Clean Energy last week in Las Vegas. The meeting brought officials and developers together to discuss ways to continue working toward energy independence. In a speech at the forum, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., noted some of the challenges. Reid called for a “more collaborative and transparent process to ensure that these projects and economic development would happen without interfering with the Pentagon’s mission.”
“It’s important that we get this right,” he said, noting that Nevada has both valuable military installations and great opportunity for renewable energy development. Nellis Air Force Base, for example, has a 14-acre solar plant that Reid and President Barack Obama toured last year.
Robyn told Congress that the goals of developing renewable energy and military preparedness “should be compatible,” and we agree. Federal regulators and renewable energy developers should be working with the military. With some vision, planning and better communication, the nation can find ways to make it all work.
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Harry Reid told us repeatedly that he took care of this problem and Nevada was wide open to renewables.
What happened Why have Harry Reid and Obama failed us again.
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One must look at whom to trust most .... the Generals in the Military, such as McCrystal for an example ( the Tilman friendly fire death coverup ), or the developer .... this is not too much of a good choice when attempting to install stuff on Federal land
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Shut Up .... Future, yours posts are silly and nonsensical
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Much needs to be done ... I suggest the best start is natural gas overwhelmingly .... and now - its cheap, lots of it here in the USA and easy to convert from smelly gas and oil making the Koch nutcase brothers richer by the day so Oil Spill Sarah and PoliceManBeck get paid a lot to subvert our country and try to make us in to a theorcrasy of their choice, not ours .... they are kinda liers .... as is Michelle Bachmann
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Paris Hilton supports drug cartels by using ... it might be that we have a problem here as the market ?????!!!!
Wind energy was around before Jesus. There is a reason why it has never taken off. To say it is a future energy source defies logic. But what do you expect from our "green jobs fantasizer"?
Whose in charge here the people we voted for or the military contractors and Generals ?
Poor,poor, pitiful Rusty57... He simply doesn't get it....
The little guy said:
"Wind energy was around before Jesus. There is a reason why it has never taken off. To say it is a future energy source defies logic."
Wow! I wonder if my little buddy is aware of the wind energy farms that are scattered around the globe? I wonder if he has ever been up near Mojave, California and seen the huge wind farm that operates up there?
"Texas, with 9,410 MW of capacity, has the most installed wind power capacity of any U.S. state, followed by Iowa with 3,053 MW. The Roscoe Wind Farm (780 MW) in Texas is the world's largest wind farm.
At the end of 2008, about 85,000 people were employed in the U.S. wind industry, and GE Energy was the largest domestic wind turbine manufacturer. Wind projects boosted local tax bases, and revitalized the economy of rural communities by providing a steady income stream to farmers with wind turbines on their land.
At the end of 2009, the installed capacity of wind power in the United States was just over 35,000 megawatts (35 GW), making it the world leader ahead of Germany. Wind power accounts for about 2% of the electricity generated in the United States.
These new installations place the U.S. on a trajectory to generate 20% of the nation's electricity by 2030 from wind energy. Growth in 2008 channeled some $17 billion into the economy, positioning wind power as one of the leading sources of new power generation in the country, along with natural gas."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_...
Rusty57.....
Allow me to repeat what the article said about the future of wind energy in this country...
"These new installations place the U.S. on a trajectory to generate 20% of the nation's electricity by 2030 from wind energy. Growth in 2008 channeled some $17 billion into the economy, positioning wind power as one of the leading sources of new power generation in the country, along with natural gas."
Enough said? I think so, don't you?
Maybe I need a cup of coffee this morning to understand this editorial. Nope, that didn't work. It still seems that the editorial starts down a wide four lane freeway and then veers off across open desert and bogs down in sand dunes of its own making.
Why wind power? Why is the solution altering military computers? Why are we only concerned with military reservations? Why does the editorial address concerns with the small part of federal land in Nevada controlled by the military?
Most of the military land is used for air combat ranges. Why would one expect that adding huge windmills that would stick up a hundred feet or so in the air would be welcomed - or useful - there?
Is it not correct that the vast majority of federal land in Nevada is owned/controlled by the Bureau of Land Management? Wouldn't it be simpler -- and cheaper -- to try to alter the Environmental Impact requirements for energy development so that it doesn't take 10 - 15 years to generate and litigate each Environmental Impact Report so that we could begin construction on renewable energy projects that would be large enough to make a difference in the relevant future?
gbigs said:
"We are not working together. The reason?
The beggar classers are clinging to their welfare state.
The rest of us want to get american working again."
Hmmmmm....I guess it's safe to say that you believe there's a future in the use and development of alternative energy sources in this country such as wind energy....do I have that right?
Wind Farms only giving half power.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/Windfarms-o...
And on some days "none at all".
For the mindlessly indoctrinated such as El_Lobo.
Stick with something you're good at, like window licking.
a windmill is a better investment than some rich kid flying around in billion dollar boondoggle.
My understanding is that Nellis Air Force Base has an experimental solar project going that has been very successful thus far..
The project started in 2007 and has had very positive reviews.
Part of an article on the Nellis project...
"Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, the land of lots of sun and plenty of land, will be home to a 70,000 solar-panel installation which, at 14 megawatts, will be the largest in North America.
The U.S. Air Force on Tuesday said Nellis and SunPower have finished the first phase of the project, which will save the base $1 million a year and roughly $83,000 a month, when fully commissioned."
Wind, solar, natural gas, etc....all practical ways that we can produce energy for this country and at the same time rid ourselves of the dependence that we have on imported oil...
The fact that we import over 50% of the oil that we use puts us between a "rock & a hard place" from a national security stand point...
What would happen to us in terms of energy, if an out and out war came about in the Middle East, and we suddenly weren't getting the oil from that area that we normally do?
What would that do to our economy? What if that happened presently with the current recession going on?
New U.S. Study Triples Estimate of Nation's Wind Power Potential
23 February 2010
Wind power potential in the United States is more than triple what was originally thought, according to new estimates from the U.S. Department of Energy, as improved technology makes this renewable energy source more accessible.
A new study released last week, the first since 1993, estimated that onshore U.S. wind resources could generate nearly 37,000,000 gigawatt hours (GWh) annually, more than nine times current total U.S. electricity consumption. The previous government survey of wind resources estimated U.S. wind potential at 10,777,000 GWh.
"This new analysis confirms that America is blessed with vast wind resources that can energize our economy, create jobs, and avoid carbon for years to come," American Wind Energy Association chief executive Denise Bode said.
The new assessment from the DOE's National Renewable Energy Laboratory in collaboration with AWS Truewind of Albany, N.Y., measured wind at higher distances -- 80 meters -- and used more refined measuring techniques. Advances in wind turbine technology have expanded the potential wind use in higher elevations.
The new estimates also realigned the ranking of states for wind energy potential, making Texas No. 1 and relegating the previous top state, North Dakota, to sixth position. Texas is also the leader in wind energy production, with Iowa, now No. 7 in wind potential, ranking second in production.
The top 10 states in the new ranking are:
1. Texas
2. Kansas
3. Montana
4. Nebraska
5. South Dakota
6. North Dakota
7. Iowa
8. Wyoming
9. Oklahoma
10. New Mexico
Indiana, Ohio and Oregon move into the top 20 for wind energy potential for the first time.
The potential capacity of America's onshore wind resource is over 10,000 gigawatts (GW), AWEA noted. Even though the U.S. wind industry added nearly 10 GW of new capacity in 2009 -- enough to power 2.4 million homes or generate as much electricity as three large nuclear power plants -- the current wind installed capacity is just 35 GW in the U.S., and just 158 GW worldwide.
"The wind resource is there, vast and inexhaustible, waiting for us," Bode said, urging Congress to mandate wind energy targets. "A national Renewable Electricity Standard would not only ensure that we tap our nation's vast wind resources, but create thousands of new American jobs today, manufacturing the 8,000 component parts that go into a modern wind turbine."
http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/W...
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trillions of dollars wasted blowing things up but bawk at slightly encrouching on the Military/industrial gravy train......wow
no money for the renewable energy or educating the kids.Plenty for the mean old men to play soldier their wrinkled rear ends won't get in front any IED's
gbigs...
Allow me to get this right...you're saying that NONE of the stats that you listed were around before Obama took office? All of that has taken place on Obama's watch....right?
In other words, George W. Bush didn't leave office with millions of Americans unemployed....is that right? He had full employment, right?
He also had eight straight balanced budgets as president....right?
He didn't hand Wall Street and the banks almost a trillion dollars on his way out the door, did he?
Also, no one was on Medicare....no one had lost their home due to foreclosure....no one was on food stamps and George had paid off the national debt. Do I have that right?
I guess George didn't over see the loss of 8-10 million jobs on his watch, right?
What a guy that George W. Bush was....a great, great president! Ha! Ha! Ha!
I really don't expect you to answer any of my questions......you NEVER do! You just post your silly and fictional crap and run away...
That's what I have come to expect from you....
Hey, go play in your little sand box my little man, and don't forget to take that afternoon nap that you always take...
A baby without a nap isn't a pretty sight!
gibs writes:
"Lets look at the stats for the day"
Here are some of the people bankrolling the Tea Party and fighting against alternative energy, global warming science, etc. They are also presently kill Americans in order to make a profit. Why am I not surprised?
The Billionaires Bankrolling the Tea Party
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinio...
Covert Operators (The Koch brothers)
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/...
"As Mayer details, Koch-supported lobbyists, foundations and political operatives are at the center of climate-science denial -- a cause that forestalls threats to Koch Industries' vast fossil fuel business. While Koch foundations donate to cancer hospitals like Memorial Sloan-Kettering in New York, Koch Industries has been lobbying to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from classifying another product important to its bottom line, formaldehyde, as a "known carcinogen" in humans (which it is)" The Koch brothers must be laughing all the way to the bank knowing that working Americans are aiding and abetting their selfish interests."
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Rusty....
Flattery will get you no where...
"Kevin Forbes, the director of the Center for the Study of Energy and Environmental Stewardship at Catholic University, told me that "Wind energy gives people a nice warm fuzzy feeling that we're taking action on climate change." But when it comes to carbon dioxide emissions, "the reality is that it's not doing much of anything."
http://www.energytribune.com//articles.c...
gbigs:
Are you the same Gee Bigs with the racist facebook avatar of Obama that posts on the Sun?
If you are I would submit you have a serious case of Castration anxiety as a result of Obama being elected.
It's OK bigs, a therapist can help...
gbigs writes:
"Notice the loons here NEVER actually drop their heads in stark acknowledgement of this misery."
Hilarious:
Bush doubled the national debt
Unemployment when Bush takes office is 4.1%
When Bush leaves office, it is 7.7% and rapidly rising.
Bush creates TARP to try and stop the total collapse of the economy.
Bush starts two foreign wars--one the longest in U.S. history and which he begins losing from day 1 (and we are still losing) and the other to seize weapons of mass destruction that did not exist. We kill 100,000 to 600,000 Iraqis, lose 5,000 soldiers, and more than 300,000 soldiers now suffer from post traumatic stress syndrome.
And you have the audacity to tell us: "loons here NEVER actually drop their heads in stark acknowledgement of this misery."
Are you mad?
Here are Bush's last two quarters:
http://useconomy.about.com/b/2009/02/27/...
http://www.bsu.edu/ibb/us/gdp00.htm
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Rusty57 writes:
"But when it comes to carbon dioxide emissions, "the reality is that it's not doing much of anything."
Of course. The entire Republican Party denies the existence of global warming. That's why Bush did nothing about it for 8 years. That's why 187 nations signed the Kyoto Protocol to reduce CO2 emissions and the U.S. did not.
The billionaire Koch brothers, who pollute the atmosphere daily and kill Americans deliberately with their cancer-causing formaldehyde production, bankroll the Tea Party and have been funding anti-global warming efforts for years.
These are some of the forces, along with Rusty57, aligned against the U.S. moving into alternative energy. Because there is no profit for them in it (the Koch brothers are oil magnates):
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/...
"As Mayer details, Koch-supported lobbyists, foundations and political operatives are at the center of climate-science denial -- a cause that forestalls threats to Koch Industries' vast fossil fuel business. While Koch foundations donate to cancer hospitals like Memorial Sloan-Kettering in New York, Koch Industries has been lobbying to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from classifying another product important to its bottom line, formaldehyde, as a "known carcinogen" in humans (which it is)" The Koch brothers must be laughing all the way to the bank knowing that working Americans are aiding and abetting their selfish interests."
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Gbigs get the department of Defense money pit on your list. Generals get bailed out ; Soldiers get blown up ! If we're a beggar class it's because the Bankers,Oil companies, Defense contractors, Health insurance companies,Agribusiness' made us one ! Go whine to the stupid disc jockey or the koch brothers !
How was the I have a scheme rally ? You ever notice the biggest jingoists never been in the service.
Lets not bother educating the poor begger class kids we're just going to be putting them in front of IED's when they're eighteen anyway.We need those trumped up wars, the defense contractors need jobs. Windmills and Solar Panels no that will cut into the Oil Companies profits. Go to you know where gbigs It's not begger class no more !
AP, under Obama and the Dims science has become more of a movement than anything else. Good for Koch!
Parasites : Trust fund Babies that got TARP funds, Greedy doctors who get MEDICARE and MEDICAID funds then whine when it's not enough.
Defense Contractors like blackwater and KBR;who give our country a black eye by torturung people;and electrocuting our own troops because they're too cheap to pay good people. Drug Companies whose only inovation is more expensive iterations of the same drug. Oil and Coal Companies who subtby lobby against renewable energy because for them inovation cuts into they're profits. Globalony Liberatarians that exploit cheap illegal labor on the upside but complain about educating their kids on the down side.
take another proszac , snewty rich dude !
Every year the USA imports over $600,000,000,000 in foreign oil. That is money that leaves the country and does very little to stimulate the economy or create jobs.
The US population is 310,125,076, the Nevada population is 2,643,085, which equates to .0085 % of the US population. The NV per capita income is $38, 578.
Get out you calculator and inform your fellow Nevadans how many jobs would be created if Nevada went all out for wind, solar, geothermal, and all out for hybrid cars, electric, hydrogen, or other means?
AIG didn't collapse under it, it caused it Moron !
do rusty and Gbigs work for koch ?
Fox news , am radio and the rj
Alan Simpson ; More like Homer Simpson or his boss MR. Burns
Boy, that little gbigs guy sure is talkative today..
The only problem with that is the fact that he talks, and talks, and talks, and continues to say NOTHING....
Hmmmm, no surprise there!
Vidi said:
"Every year the USA imports over $600,000,000,000 in foreign oil. That is money that leaves the country and does very little to stimulate the economy or create jobs."
Exactly! What would happen to the American economy if 50% of that money stayed in the country?
How many jobs would be created? Can we count that high?
I'm always amazed how stupid the average Republican really is... They continue to cut off their nose in order to spite their face by voting against their own best interests...
Yep, that Gump guy had it right...."stupid is as stupid does..."
Those Republican predators don't care el lobo they're holed up on their fake cowboy ranches with that bailout money;they stole from us.
a lot more federal spending now to create jobs and increase purhasing power.
Increase taxes on the top two percent
a continued program of public investment in physical and social infrastucture (renewable energy). a real public option on health insurance to restrain medical inflation;which is the prime driver of federal deficts in the long run.A defense of social security as a key source of income for the elderly
gbigs writes:
"How Does Vegas React To Obamas Hard Times? Las Vegas logs 5 murder-suicides -- in two weeks!"
Hmmmm, I suppose it doesn't matter that Vegas has been #1 in suicides for about the last 30 years, does it?
I guess that would pop your theoretical bubble that the economic crash (which occurred under Bush, by the way), created that distinction.
Here's an article from 2001. It would appear that the suicides have more to do with gambling:
http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10....
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gbigs writes:
"To understand this dynamic, and how banking and AIG collapsed under it, you have to do a little studying. Something many left wing types wont do."
This from a guy who admits that he doesn't believe in evolution. Or in global warming.
Too funny. Suddenly gbigs is a scholar.
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If Clark County wants to come back we need to build a Nuclear Power plant near Caulville bay. Wind and solar are nice feel good options but won't help in the long run.
The HOA's won't allow solar in the cities.
No Nukes at Callville Bay or anywhere in the U.S. !
nuclear depository over at gbigs fake cowboy ranch !
rusty57, who never saw a nuke he did not like, writes:
"AP, under Obama and the Dims science has become more of a movement than anything else. Good for Koch!"
Sure, that's why 187 nations signed the Kyoto Accord and Bush didn't--because he didn't want to belong to a "movement."
Right.
I'm not surprised that you love the Koch brothers, the billionaires who finance the Tea Party.
The fact that they kill Americans in order to make a profit from their formaldehyde should be right up your alley. Radiation kills too--but hey, you can probably make a buck off it Rusty!
http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/comp...
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Educate yourself AP: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/facts...
Btw, Kyoto would do nothing to save planet earth. If all nations signed it (and actually followed it - most European nations are not) it wouldn't even lower the earth's temperature by 1 degree...it would be a minute undetectable fraction of that.
Down with the employees of the corporatists; reductions in Carbon Dioxide now !
Patrick Gibbons writes:
"Educate yourself AP: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/facts...
Out of curiosity, do you read the links that you post? The one you posted is from the National Cancer Institute and it says that formaldehyde causes cancer. Which was precisely my point.
http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/comp...
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Patrick Gibbons writes:
"Btw, Kyoto would do nothing to save planet earth. If all nations signed it (and actually followed it - most European nations are not) it wouldn't even lower the earth's temperature by 1 degree...it would be a minute undetectable fraction of that."
I think you miss the point, not surprisingly, again. The planet it warming. This was the hottest summer on record in Nevada. The hottest decade on record for the planet.
The Republican Party simply denies is.
So apparently, do the Libertarians.
http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/060720...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/...
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Former global warming skeptic now convinced that global warming is a severe threat to planet:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...
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AP,
Once again you're reading BS articles. The Gaurdian misrepresented Byorn Lomberg's position
http://reason.com/blog/2010/09/01/skepti...
Patrick Gibbons writes:
"Once again you're reading BS articles. The Gaurdian misrepresented Byorn Lomberg's position"
And what is Lomberg's position? That global warming is a fact, not a hoax.
Hmmmm.
Pretty much the same as the academy of sciences of all the G8 countries.
Hmmmm.
http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/060720...
The same as 13 federal agencies concluded in 2009:
"Scientists and officials working with the U.S. Global Change Research Program released on June 16 the first climate-change assessment to be completed during Barack Obama's presidency. The assessment, which is required periodically by Congress, breaks down the predicted effects of global warming in the U.S. by region and sector; it contains no new research, but it paints a detailed and worrying picture of what a warmer America will be like 10, 50 and 100 years from today. "It is clear that climate change is happening now," says Jerry Melillo, a lead author of the report and an ecologist at the Marine Biological Laboratory in Woods Hole, Mass. "The observed climate changes we report are not opinions to be debated. They are facts to be reported."
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/...
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gbigs, who does not believe in evolution because of his religious beliefs, writes:
"The UN Climate panel has been exposed as a fraud, run by a fraud."
Gosh, I think you have been misled a bit by your sources, gibs:
"Although there is widespread scientific consensus that human activity is heating the planet, critics used the mistakes -- which emerged at the same time as the unauthorized release of hundreds of e-mails from a climate research center in Britain -- to question all the science involved. The e-mails opened prominent climate scientists to charges that they had manipulated some data. Numerous investigations have largely cleared the scientists.
The review committee, which did not evaluate the scientific conclusions made by the United Nations panel, said the way the panel went about its work was "successful over all."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/world/...
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AP,
You are such a partisan troglodyte it is not even funny. Sometimes I don't even think you know what other people are saying because you're too busy thinking of your own dogmatic response.
Of course Byorn Lomberg thinks man-made global warming is real. That has always been his point. I made the point that he made that point, so what the heck are you even writing about? He's never switched from that. He's also never switched away from coming up with ideas to fix the problem. He just picks on stupid ideas, like carbon rationing which are expensive and will have little effect.
he's not a true believer that wants to do something to feel good about himself.
Patrick Gibbons writes:
"You are such a partisan troglodyte it is not even funny."
A bit rich coming from the guy whose work is funded by the Cato Institute, which believes that the unfettered free market provides the best of all possible worlds.
As a consequence, you still can't admit that American tobacco companies actually kill people deliberately to make a profit.
And you call me a "partisan troglodyte?"
Pretty pathetic.
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