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Friday, Aug. 27, 2010 | 2:01 a.m.
House Minority Leader John Boehner this week laid out his economic vision — that is, if one can call it a vision when all you’re doing is embracing the stale, discredited policies advocated by George W. Bush. Just what the country needs (and will get) if Republicans win back control of Congress: more economic policies that led to the Great Recession.
But receiving scant attention were Boehner’s remarks about the Yucca Mountain project, an issue that usually doesn’t receive the national coverage it deserves, but which will get Nevadans to sit up and take notice. A member of the audience at the City Club of Cleveland, where Boehner spoke about the economy, asked him:
“The only repository for nuclear waste planned or conceived or developed in this country is Yucca Mountain in Nevada, and it is stopped dead in its tracks by Harry Reid. If the Republicans can take back Congress, what position would the party take on opening Yucca Mountain so our nuclear reactors have someplace to put their waste?”
Part of Boehner’s response: “Most Republicans have supported Yucca Mountain for the 20 years that I’ve been here, and the American people would be shocked to know how much nuclear waste is lying just miles from their home. It’s lying at every nuclear plant in the country and why? Because we can’t get Yucca Mountain finished because it’s not politically correct. We’ve invested tens of billions of dollars in a storage facility that’s as safe as anything we’re going to find.”
It’s clear that, because of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s leadership on this issue, the federal government’s plan to bury 77,000 tons of high-level nuclear waste in Nevada has been stopped for now. Reid’s influence was instrumental in persuading President Barack Obama to withdraw a license to store the waste at Yucca Mountain, just 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas.
The other fact is that, over time, the effort to put a nuclear waste dump in Nevada has become nakedly partisan. Republican congressional leaders and then-President George W. Bush have done everything possible to please the nuclear power industry, which donates heavily to the GOP, to make the Yucca Mountain project a reality. That includes ignoring scientific evidence that shows just how dangerous it would be to transport thousands of shipments cross-country and then bury the waste in a region that’s seismically active.
And while this has been a partisan issue at the national level, for the most part that hasn’t been the case in Nevada, as politicians have been unified in their opposition. But, in recent years, some Nevada Republicans have suggested surrendering. Republican Senate nominee Sharron Angle has said nuclear waste should be sent to Nevada. If Angle were to beat Reid, who is Nevada’s best defense against the dump, rest assured that a serious push would be made to bring nuclear waste to Nevada.
Angle and Boehner both talk about recycling nuclear waste, but big questions remain, including its safety and who will pay its prohibitive costs. In contrast, waste left in dry-cask storage where it’s generated would be secure for decades, giving scientists time to find a safer way to dispose of the waste than at Yucca Mountain. But politicians such as Angle and Boehner don’t care one bit about endangering Nevadans by turning this state into the nation’s nuclear waste dumping ground.
Harry Reid and The LV Sun continue to deny the obvious - Yucca Mountain is not DEAD.
Yucca Mountain is not DEAD despite every ILLEGAL move made by Harry Reid and Obama to kill it. Every move is now in Federal Court and being reversed.
The National Nuclear Security Administration announced 8-23-10, it was renaming the Nevada Test Site-established during the Cold War to conduct underground nuclear bomb tests-as the "Nevada National Security Site."
Among those at the re-naming event was non other then our own anti-nuke Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Among other activities, the Nevada site on the outskirts of Las Vegas is increasingly being used by the NNSA for storage of toxic plutonium and other weapons-grade nuclear materials.
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Did you hear that increasingly being used by the NNSA for storage of toxic plutonium and other weapons-grade nuclear materials.
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These are now stored at other sites more vulnerable to terrorist and other security threats - so on nuclear weapons dump on the outskirts of Las Vegas is OKAY?
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So Harry Reid thinks that by changing the name we will not know that they are storing more and more nuclear material just a few miles from Las Vegas. And this stuff is shipped through Las Vegas to get to the NNSS.
Oh and the radioactive waste from the weapons testing that goes into the ground water table will not go away with a name change.
Harry Reid "Where is Yucca Mountain 90 miles away when you need it?"
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Harry Reid and The LV Sun continue to deny the obvious - Yucca Mountain is not DEAD.
Yucca Mountain is not DEAD despite every ILLEGAL move made by Harry Reid and Obama to kill it. Every move is now in Federal Court and being reversed.
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At the end of July the NRC took two actions which make a mockery of the Harry Reid fearmongering about High Level Nuclear Waste. Both actions were led by Harry Reid's handpicked NRC Chairman Gergory Jaczko.
On 7-22-22-10 the NRC approved the proposed "Waste Confidence Rule" which in part declares it is safe to store spent fuel safely "Indefinitely".
This means that the LV Sun and Harry Reid have lied to the public about the safe storage indefinitely -- meaning it would be safe at Yucca.
On 7-30-10 the NRC approved the proposed changes to 10 CFR Part 73.37 for spent fuel shipment across the country. Aside from a few administrative notification changes, it put in place all the post 9/11 Orders (like armed escorts in populated areas) that have been in place for years. It establishes that the shipping casks are acceptable to withstand even terrorist attacks.
This means that the LV Sun and Harry Reid have lied to the public about the safe transportation -- mean it would be safe to move to Yucca.
On 6-29-10 the NRC rule on Yucca Mountain came down and destroyed the credibility of Harry Reid and Obama. The NRC said "we deny DOE's motion to withdraw the Application. We do so because the Nuclear Waste
Policy Act of 1982, as amended (NWPA), does not permit the Secretary to withdraw the Application that the NWPA mandates the Secretary file.
Specifically, the NWPA does not give the Secretary the discretion to substitute his policy for the one established by Congress in the NWPA that, at this point, mandates progress toward a merits decision by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission on the construction permit.
Say that again - the law mandates progress toward a merits decision by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission on the [Yucca] construction permit.
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So the first big lie in a legal setting is for the Harry Reid and the Obama Administration to have said that they have "determined" that "Yucca Mountain is not a workable solution."
There is no documented DETERMINATION.
The second LIE is Obama's promise about "Sound Science". "It is about ensuring that scientific data is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda and that we make facts, not ideology." Not anymore!
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Does anyone know why the LV Sun will not report on the reversal in court?
Could it be they want Harry Reid re elected.
Yucca Mountain will be back whether Harry Reid is back or not.
Yucca Mountain will be back whether Republicans take over or not
Part of Boehner's response: "Most Republicans have supported Yucca Mountain for the 20 years that I've been here, and the American people would be shocked to know how much nuclear waste is lying just miles from their home. It's lying at every nuclear plant in the country and why? Because we can't get Yucca Mountain finished because it's not politically correct. We've invested tens of billions of dollars in a storage facility that's as safe as anything we're going to find."
Boehner is a complete blithering idiot.
But I do agree with him when he says most Republicans have supported Yucca Mountain Project (YMP) for about 20 years. Because they are deep in the pockets of the nuclear industry and want that money from them...that equates to power and glory. Because in the Republican world, that's all that matters. They could care less about the people of Nevada.
And Boehner's further one way idiocy is revealed when he says that the American people would be shocked at knowing that nuclear waste is closeby where they live. WHAT ABOUT US HERE IN NEVADA?!?!? It's okay to throw it at Nevada, but you're affronted when it's closeby you?
And lastly, Boehner has no earthly clue what he's talking about when he relates YMP is as safe as anything we're going to find. How does he know that? Oh. Wait. I know now. Just like the oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico are safe. And just like the eggs from Iowa. And just like the mines in West Virginia are safe.
It's not safe. And it won't be safe if you put Republicans in charge of it. All they want to do is throw nuclear waste 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas, a teeming major city of about 2 million people, a city that makes its living off of gambling and tourism. And after they approve it, it will be shipped from other states like South Carolina and Washington who, from all indications, could care less if it's packed in containers safely...just so long as they get rid of it. And the Republicans would be happy, slap their backs, large amounts of nuclear waste flooding into Nevada...and they could care less if it is managed right. They just want the money. Because the greed for the money equates to power and glory with them.
And I don't think I need to remind anyone that if YMP were to happen, we are not permitted the luxury of even one mistake. You don't get other chances. One mistake and southern Nevada, parts of California and even Arizona would end up a wasteland. Barren. No human and or animal life for generations to come. It would all be gone. Destroyed totally.
YMP is dead. And it will stay dead. Find somewhere else. Not our problem.
Nevada is a part of the U.S. But we claim our right to refuse. This YMP was shoved off on us back in the 1980s when we were weak politically. Now, we're not. If it don't sound fair.... TOUGH! We could care less. We don't want it.
Thank God we have Senator Reid to turn the faucet off on that Republican YMP lunacy.
Colin - is your last really Reid? If you don't sound like a sound bite from Harry's campaign, I don't know what. All that you have done above is waste key strokes - you have no facts to back up any of your claims, just more rubbish.
Is your name Harry Reid and was this a paid political announcement and did you approve of the content?
Thats right Collin we don't need any stinkin jobs in Nevada.
You might get exposed to an amount of radiation similar to what you'd get on a cross-country flight. Doesn't seem to be too bad of a trade-off. But that would require Dims to understand "science"---not the knee-jerk junkscience of eco-whackos and NIMBYism.
The Democrat party operatives that write the editorials for the LVSun have been running around patting their fellow party member Harry Reid on the back for supposedly "stopping" the nuke dump. They helped create this charade and now they need to start the fear-mongering back up in a desperate attempt to help their boy.
neZ212: I do agree that Nevada needs to diversify in order to attain jobs to put Nevadans back to work, but this isn't the way to do it.
Most of the jobs that YMP will offer will be for out of State scientists. And the money we get from YMP is not worth a lifetime of aggravation.
Not when it is something we will be stuck with. Not only for us, but for future generations of Nevadans that aren't even born yet. They haven't even been thought of and they are already burdened with something that will last forever? Not a good trade off at all.
rusty57: A cross country flight is a lot different than tons of nuclear waste that cannot be gotten rid of in our lifetimes. And forget the nonsense of reprocessing it for fuel. That is not going to happen. Because that process is too time consuming, fails alot and requires resources that Nevada doesn't have.
Forever is forever.
Accuse me of Not In My Backyard mindset all you want. It's true. We don't want this crap here in Nevada. And never did. Take it somewhere else. Bury it in John Boehner's back yard...next to his practice putting greens...for all I care.
Why does the people of Nevada wish to bring stuff here that will prove to be fatal to us if it is not handled properly? One small mistake with it will be catastrophic.
YMP is dead. Period.
Colin, there are so many factual inaccuracies in your post it should be removed.
I know you carry Harry's water but come on.
Buried in the middle of your drivel is this absolutely histrionic statement,
"it will be shipped from other states like South Carolina and Washington who, from all indications, could care less if it's packed in containers safely...just so long as they get rid of it."
Colin, you can't knee jerk your way through every subject just because you are passionate about Obama. This is completely and utterly drivel.
Coming up next...... some fool who will say "we don't want our kids to glow in the dark"
There you have it folks, the Progressives, the folks who advance ANYTHING except science and common sense.
Colin, here is a rebuke of your "one small mistake"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHtOW-OB...
Progressives are anti-science and pro-hysteria
@Colin;
"Boehner is a complete blithering idiot."
Yepper...tis' true. AND he's MEAN & NASTY.
The Party of "I, Me, Mine" is not only selfish, they're often downright mean.
These right-wingers talk down to us "common folk"
like we're all retarded...and should be GRATEFUL for any minor contributions from them that improve on our "lesser status" as human beings.
If we are going to move forward as a society, it will have to be with some kind of consensus as to what constitutes FAIRNESS & EQUALITY involving ALL peoples...not just neo-con, smarmy, wise-ass, "I'm smarter than you", right-wing NutJobs.
I rest my case.
All one has to do is look at a map of America to realize that Nevada is about as remote a location as one is going to find. The nuclear waste has to go somewhere. Yucca Mountain has been specifically designed to accommodate the waste. Even putting aside the high paying jobs that would be created in Nevada, embracing Yucca Mountain just seems to me to be the right thing for Nevadans to do for the good of America as a whole.
"for the good of America as a whole"
How would enviro-whacko groups get funding if they didn't claim an eco-catastrophe around every corner?
Also, the sky will fall to earth. Really.
psycho sharron loves yucca mountain...
because psycho sharron hates las vegas...
sin city runs counter to her hyper religious beliefs...
beliefs that she wants to incorporate into the us constitution...
wake up nevada...
a good chunk of the support psycho sharron gets is from out of state...
hello...
better think about that boys and girls...
think about that long and hard...
The real folly of this Yucca nuke debate is that the same right-wingers who advocate for the dump absolutely do not want the radioactive junk transported through their states and towns. Fact is the transportation of the deadly material was a big nail in the Yucca Mtn coffin.
Yet another example of limitless GOP hypocrisy is Gramps McCane from May, 2007. During the presidential campaign a patriotic Gramps said America needs the dump badly...But
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Interviewer: "What about the transportation? Would you be comfortable with nuclear waste coming through Arizona, through Phoenix, on its way to Yucca Mountain?"
McCain (Shaking Head): "No, I would not. No, I would not."
LOL! Typical GOP loon.
Of course heavy smoker/drinker/golfer Boner doesn't care about the dangers of nuke waste to Nevadans (or to anyone else for that matter) because he's been exposed to so much harmful rays in the tanning booth that he glows.
The USA isn't the only country that has nuclear energy plants so why doesn't the Sun and/or other concerned entities check and find out how these countries deal with their nuclear waste problems?
Countries like France utilize this source for their energy needs and due to their location in respect to the worlds 'hot spots' would be more at risk for a nuclear terrorist event than America!
LastThroes, look at the link.
Transportation issues are a myth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHtOW-OB...
Try and watch this before spazzing out.
Future:
Put your bib back on, you're drooling that glow in the dark bile again. Feel better now?
Colin:
You are dancing with the Special Ed kids here. Don't think any rational thought can change them, they were, sadly, born like this. One point of difference, I think Boehner is a complete blithering liar, rather than an idiot.
BrownIn4:
What are the chances you will vote for Harry Reid?
I thought so...
Nez212:
If I really thought that the paper hangers and construction workers sittin in that 15% unemployed penalty box was going to get those jobs, I may have given it a listen out of survivals sake, however I just don't see our currently unemployed being gobbled up in Yucca at any point in the near future in a best case scenario.
Rusty 57:
Or if a guy operating a fork lift truck has a heart attack and punctures several of the drums...
...stuff happens.
RHG:
If you are a Reid backer, and are opposed to Yucca, as are a LOT of us, to point this out is misleading how?
Fossimons:
Keep trying, I'll get it someday. At least you are on the right team.
Getalife:
Please, do so.
Gmag39:
Nice one!
GoGowhitesox:
Another Slash and Burn post from the Dave Nicholson of the internets posting world. A guy who swings for the fences at all times, leaving reason behind him.
I have a background in Molecular Biology and Biochemistry that has served me well. I STILL will not cook in a microwave. I will heat water in it, get out food to be reheated about 30 minutes before putting it in the microwave for just a few seconds before eating it. Common sense should tell you that food prepared in a microwave tastes and feels different to the pallet. The cooking process changes the molecular structure of your food in comparison to a traditional oven or outdoor grilling. I can see why your views are so warped. TV dinners in a microwave will rot your brain. Get back in touch with the Weber grill. You will start feeling better in liberal doses soon.
Belleville from Canada:
Looking at a map of North America it looks like the best place for storing this is the Northwest Territory, or Victoria Island in Canada. I think it can stay on ice just fine up yonder.
Rusty 57 (Again):
Not from the Koch brothers...
...though they did fund the DLC (Rahm, The Clintons, etc.) too. When you quit carrying their water, you will see we have nothing to gain at each others throats, and LOTS to gain working together. Quit being so Teatarded.
RobertLV:
Only on your side of town. On the righteous side of town all will be well. C'mon over. Don't be afraid. Harry hasn't really hurt you. But when one of our friends or relatives dad impregnates their daughter, if Sharron gets her way her sister/daughter or brother/son can look forward to a rich rewarding life with Sharron. She'll be there to help those kids on the playground, through puberty. It will all be good. Yeah, right...
Since lady gpigagogo is an obese, inept social outcast without even the glimmer of a personal life she's had plenty of time to master the finer aspects of cut and paste.
And it shows. Heckuva job, lady gpigagogo.
If the republicans are so for it, why didn't they act to open the dump when they were in power?
This had to do with the courts.
What court,
what judge?
Jeff - zero chance that Harry Reid will get my vote - seen enough, don't want anymore.
Rusty 57:
Or if a guy operating a fork lift truck has a heart attack and punctures several of the drums...
...stuff happens.
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Colin, I recommend just staying in bed. It's too dangerous out there.
In the dumbocrat economy there is no where to go in the morning anyway.
Once again, the ultra right wing radical reactionary loonies on this board have to resort to lies to try and push Incompetent Angle's agenda.
FACT for gbigs: GDP growth was NOT "revised down 1.5%" today. GDP growth was revised to 1.6% GROWTH from a previously expected 2.4% growth rate.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-seco...
Another FACT for gbigs: What did the Obama Administration inherit from Bush?? The GDP growth rate for the 4th quarter of 2008 was a NEGATIVE 6.3%. That was the worst slowdown since Q1 1982 (can you spell "Ronald Reagan"?), when GDP fell 6.4%.
In case gbigs can't comprehend the difference, during the last quarter of the Bush disaster, which people like gbigs and gogowhitesox are chomping at the bit to bring back again, the economy SHRANK 6.3% as opposed to a slow but nevertheless positive 1.6% GROWTH rate with today's revised GDP report.
http://useconomy.about.com/b/2009/02/27/...
Sorry, but it's going to take a little time to dig the country out of the MASSIVE HOLE that Bush plunged us into.
In the meantime, I wonder if an Angle / Palin Tea Party dream team would come up with innovative ideas like this:
A Big Surprise: Troubled Assets Garner Rewards
American taxpayers are already poised to make unexpected billions from rescuing the nation's banks. Now, they could reap another sizable profit from a government program devised to purge troubled real estate assets from the financial system.
The Obama administration made the so-called Public-Private Investment Program a centerpiece of its plan to help unlock the frozen credit markets in the spring of 2009, when a lack of buyers for complex mortgage securities threatened the health of the nation's banks and put a drag on lending.
Nine months into the program, the eight investment funds chosen by the Treasury Department have generated an estimated return of about 15.5 percent for taxpayers, according to an analysis of their results through the end of June by Linus Wilson, an assistant professor of finance at the University of Louisiana, Lafayette.
Two of the investment funds -- one operated by an Angelo Gordon-GE Capital consortium and another by BlackRock -- have gotten off to even stronger starts, posting returns of more than 20 percent.
That translates into a paper profit of roughly $657 million for taxpayers. Some Wall Street analysts project that taxpayers could earn as much as $6.2 billion on these investments over the next nine years, from an investment of about $22 billion.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/A-Big-Surp...
I'm a lifetime democrat but I am with GOGO on this one. Lots of jobs...tons of money. Build Yucca.
Gaming alone won't pull us out of this one. Too much competition in the US and around the world. Gaming revenues in Asia alone $50 billion.
Yucca, Marijuana, Bordellos bring it all. This is suppose to be a party town. Lets have a REAL party.
Maybe a chart of US quarterly GDP growth rates from The End of the Bush Era and the Beginning of the Democrats Pull Country Out Of The Tank might help illustrate:
http://www.bsu.edu/ibb/us/gdp00.htm
Gogo said:
"Zipper, you see, reasonable people can agree. For example, the Republicans don't think FICA should apply to anything above $109K. That's ridiculous. It should apply to ALL payroll income."
I see all the republicans rushing to your side here :)
It should apply to dividends too. Why should a trust fund couch potato not pay FICA, and the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine guys in Afghanistan do?
The wrong Angle wants to eliminate Social Security.
If you can't vote for Harry, just don't vote.
that "nuke dump" would have been one of the best things to happen to vegas.
vegas needs JOBS, folks.
i find it funny that the same people that "blame bush" for the economy are the same people that fight yucca's jobs.
vegas is in denial about its current place in time. people are out of work, 401(k) cash-outs are at a record high, 1 in 10 mortgages are at least a month behind, etc.
the $1,000 / 3 day weekend in vegas is a distant memory for many americans.
if vegas is going to survive, it will HAVE to find jobs outside of the entertainment / tourism sector.
Future writes:
"This means that the LV Sun and Harry Reid have lied to the public about the safe storage indefinitely -- meaning it would be safe at Yucca."
I suggest that all of the Republicans--and anyone else, for that matter--who are in favor of nuclear energy simply sign a short contract that would enable private industry to store their nuclear waste in those people's back yards for the next 10,000 to 20,000 years.
That would solve the problem.
We've already done such a good job making the test site area the nation's most nuclear polluted area in the U.S.--why not just add some to your own back yards?
From Wikipedia:
"Each of the underground explosions--some as deep as 5,000 feet--vaporized a large chamber, leaving a cavity filled with radioactive rubble. About a third of the tests were conducted directly in aquifers, and others were hundreds or thousands of feet above the water table.[6]
When testing ended in 1992, the Energy Department estimated that more than 300 million curies of radiation remained, making the site one of the most radioactively contaminated places in the United States. In the worst affected zones, radioactivity in the tainted water reaches millions of picocuries per liter. (The federal standard for drinking water is 20 picocuries per liter.) Although radiation levels in the water have declined over time, the longer-lived isotopes will continue to pose risks for tens of thousands of years.
While there are no longer any explosive tests of nuclear weapons at the site, there is still subcritical testing, used to determine the viability of the United States' aging nuclear arsenal. Additionally, the site is the location of the Area 5 Radioactive Waste Management Complex, which sorts and stores low-level radioactive waste that is not transuranic and has a half life not longer than 20 years"
AP
steven writes:
"i find it funny that the same people that "blame bush" for the economy are the same people that fight yucca's jobs."
Actually, I find it funny that you think there is any connection whatsoever between pointing out the obvious that the U.S. economy collapsed while Bush was in office and whether or not we should store large quantities of deadly radioactive waste near our city for the next 10,000 to 20,000 years.
Where there IS a connection, I suppose, is the general one that Republicans tend to ignore the environment and, if profit is involved, seem willing to sacrifice it while the Democrats would prefer to protect the environment, even if it means less "profit."
Hence the Republican Party continues to treat global warming as a "hoax," not because the science is lacking but because fundamentally they seem willing to sacrifice the long-term health of the entire planet if short term profits can be increased.
Which is another good reason to not vote Republican.
AP
ggws writes:
"This is nonsense and the American People are seeing that the extremists are the guys like American Hater who try to paint all opposition to their Socialist plans as hating one group or another or letting companies pollute the world and get away with it. It ain't workin', Dems!"
I love how the Republicans are always wrapping themselves in the mantle of the "majority of Americans" or pretending to be the mouthpiece of the "American People."
There is just one thing they constantly forget--the "majority of Americans" elected a Democratic president, not a Republican president.
The majority of Americans elected a Democratic majority to the House.
The majority of Americans elected a Democratic majority to the Senate.
Meanwhile, the current president continues to enact the very legislation that he promised on the campaign trail: a stimulus to help us get out of the imploded economy that he inherited, health care reform, and financial reform.
The exact legislation that a "majority of Americans" voted for.
Why did a "majority of Americans" vote Democratic?
Let's see:
Two foreign wars--the longest and most expensive in history, which Bush started
A doubling of the national debt.
A completely imploded economy in 2008
American joining the list of nations that torture people
No wmds in Iraq
Nothing done about spiraling health insurance premiums
Nothing done about illegal immigration.
Nothing done about oil dependency (except to invade other countries)
Nothing done about alternative energy.
Nothing done about protecting our climate.
Unemployment rising from 4.2% in 2000 to 7.7% by the end of Bush's term (and rapidly increasing as Bush struggled to hold the financial system from crumbling with TARP).
I could go on. But I think you get the picture.
So next time you wrap yourselves in the "majority of Americans" mantle, just remember to look in the mirror and repeat after me:
"We are the minority. And we got that way for a very good reason."
"Incompetence" comes to mind.
But far be it for me to choose the exact word or words the majority of Americans were thinking of when they voted last time.
I can give you a hint, though: they weren't pretty.
AP
JefffromVegas, for a person who is steeped in science, you are rather dismissive of, well, science.
I think you are steeped in something else.
I know it's hard to keep your attention span focused but it's a short video that clearly illustrates the technology behind the casks or flasks as they may be known.
Now, on to microwaves, I figured an elitist lefty like yourself would use solar to heat your water....... sellout.
AP, why do all the global warming zealots like yourself think that technology can solve our energy problems but doesn't exist at Yucca.
This is why the Progressive movement is an oxymoron.
gbigs wrote: "We will NOT legalize dope. That is the dumbest thing on the planet to do, intro yet more lung cancer, and lazy, dangerous workforce. Only narcissistic goofs think that way."
Uh oh, better watch what you write. The Tea Party's biggest financial backers, Charles and David Koch, like the idea as part of their "libertarian" platform:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/...
scroll to bottom of page
Wow. Again, I put a couple of comments out here and the bats come flying out of the belfries.
I just want to point out something.
It's not going to happen.
People who care about Nevada are in power right now. And the other side isn't. And they are not going to get back into power anytime soon.
Yucca Mountain Project (YMP) is dead. No means no and it STILL means no. Get used to it.
This was shoved off on us in the 1980s and it has been fought against and fought against. And the fight still continues. Big difference right now is that we have a voice that is being heard. Senator Reid stands up for Nevada and President Obama agrees to kill this nonsense off.
Is it fair? Who cares. That's not the issue. Those who disagree...just have to live with it.
You people want nuclear waste, go move to another State when they agree to accept it. It's not happening in Nevada.
Only reason I'm commenting again is because all the righties that enjoy my comments...they like for me to get them all worked up into tizzies where they start typing fast and furious and making up stuff and going ballistic and bursting blood vessels and stuff. It drives them nuts and builds character. I'm just trying to make sure they stay healthy by amping up the anger to the 12th degree.
Colin, Yucca is only dead until after the elections. I know you tend to be delusional but can you see past that?
One last thing, just as a piece of advice for any Republican running for office in Nevada.
They really, really need to make sure the word gets out they favor having a nuclear waste dump at Yucca Mountain. And keep letting all the Nevada voters know that.
Because it is guaranteed they will not receive votes...and disappear from the political scene. Contrary to all the false rhetoric out there, most Nevadans, especially in the southern part, DO NOT want it.
So, Republicans are encouraged to get that word out there. It will contribute to their disintegration in November 2010.
ggws writes (all 5'2" of him--if ever there were a guy with a Napoleon complex, ggws wins the award--I found that hilarious about your bench-pressing prowess. Too funny!):
"Position:
Tax decreases for eveeryone and let's get this economy back on it's feet!
Liberals:
THEY'RE PROTECTING THE RICH AND BIG BUSINESS!"
This from the guy who cannot bring himself to admit that Reagan tripled the national debt and converted the U.S. from a lending nation to a debtor nation--a transformation that we have yet to recover from.
Protecting the rich: sorry fella, but the stats bear this out:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=vie...
Keeping Bush tax cuts in place:
This will bankrupt the country--but why should the rich care?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...
http://www.boston.com/business/articles/...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010...
AP
AP said: "Hence the Republican Party continues to treat global warming as a "hoax," not because the science is lacking but because fundamentally they seem willing to sacrifice the long-term health of the entire planet if short term profits can be increased."
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Actually its because the science is lacking.
Unless of course you believe in Hillary when she blames Pakistan flooding on...us. BWAAA!
At this point, can NV really afford to turn down jobs? No. I thought the dems loved recycling and clean power. Whatever. Dems have no credibility on this issue or the economy. That's a fact.
rusty57 writes:
"Actually its because the science is lacking."
Sure, whatever you say. I notice you always back up your opinions with solid facts.
http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/060720...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/...
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AP, speaking of facts, o' fact checker that you are, how about that footage of the casks for nuclear waste....... I know, you NEVER let the facts get in the way of a good argument.
The transparent progressives, facts can't fool them, they have an agenda.
one more time for kicks and giggles....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHtOW-OB...
There are 108 Nuclear power plants in the US that store nuke waste on site, there are 16 nuke power plants shut down with nuke waste there, and there are nuclear fuel and weapons facilities with stored nuke waste.
To ship all the nuclear waste from those sites to Yucca would take 9.5 years if a truck left every hour from each of those facilities, 24 hours per day.
That nuclear waste would travel through 43 states within one half mile of tens of millions of people and through more than 100 of America's largest cities.
Experts have estimated there would be 130 truck and 440 rail accidents.
When the 1986 Chernobuyl disaster happened over 1,1000 square miles surrounding the reactor remain uninhabited, radiation spread
over 27 countries, over 500,000 have died from radiation exposure, and their has been an increase in infant mortality and deformations.
Spent nuclear fuel rods have a half life over 30,000 years, and depleted uranium remains toxic for 4.5 million years.
In southern Germany 16% of the boar hogs have tested higher than the recommended safe level of 600 bacquerels per kilogram of meat. In some cases the boars have tested ten times higher than the recommended level.
Yucca Mountain would make an ideal target for a foreign enemy, including Al Qaeda.
Can you imagine what would happen if all that nuclear waste was hit by a bunker buster nuclear bomb? Almost all, if not all of the US would be contaminated, all 309,000,000 people would die and the US would not be inhabitable from 30,00 to 4,500,000 years.
We Nevadans are not stupid, we not only say no, we say "Hades No!"
Vidi, I know I didn't post with a pair of boots on but can you not see the evidence of the gibberish you speak.
One more time. If the libs don't respond then I will truly know that their agenda trumps science and the hoax of global warming is their masterpiece.
Vidi, watch and learn if you are capable of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHtOW-OB...
Vidi, you need to get a grip on yourself. If, If, If....... you are posting as IF, you got paid every time you insinuated IF.
You realize that NOTHING you posted is accurate, right??
Experts predict...... hey genius, what experts, Progressives like yourself and Global warming experts..... are you sure they didn't just leak emails....
Encouraging nuclear proliferation means passing the hot potato but getting all the power we need for awhile and continuing the false belief that it's okay to burden several thousand generations as long as I get my juice today.
Great idea there, getalife. Steal from the future generations.
Addicts and children think like that.
For the less educated out there...... Chernobyl was a nuclear power plant of the graphite design with ACTIVE reactor vessels.
Yucca is none of those.
Bunker Buster Nuclear Bomb???? Really, a bomb?? how in the heck would a bomb get through our defenses???????? Although, at the rate Obama is going our defenses will entail Barney Fife and his one bullet.... lucky shot, anyone??
Russia is the only country currently capable of launching a nuclear strike this deep into our country......evidently Vidi and Putin have had a falling out.
Even if a fantasy Bunker Buster hit Yucca, it would only yield a large dirty bomb.
Vidi, you post your health care, financial armageddon, hate Republican, yet fear Climate Change trash everyday, but dude, I call you on the absolute drivel you attached your name to concerning this.
What's next??
Yucca and nuclear would be the shining path for Nevada except for the 'glow in the dark' feature of the nookie dookie pile.
If it was pickled cabbage or canned salmon, the story would be different.
Courting trouble never did idiots any good before. Feeling lucky?
"Russia is the only country currently capable of launching a nuclear strike this deep into our country...
sounds like 'Bring It On!'
North Korea, Canada, Mexico, Jesse Winchester, Tim McVeigh, Luke McGruder...
'currently'...LMAO for 4 million years!
Hubris and infantilism.
airweare, Steal from our children??? Nuclear proliferation???
You got this from my post???
How am I encouraging nuclear proliferation; by encouraging safe disposal??
The deprogrammers are going to be busy. btw, Isn't Obama stealing enough from our future generations?
WOW, I can't believe how far off track the Libs drove this bus.
airweare, yes you are delusional.
I never said "bring it on", you on the other hand went to looney school with "glow in the dark".
lifer,
when you waste power like you are doing right now and pass the responsibility on for thousands of generations, even an idiot can see you are stealing the time and risking the health of generations.
lifer,
when you waste power like you are doing right now and pass the responsibility on for thousands of generations, you are maintaining the delusion of acceptance of lethargy of luxury, that your right to convenience NOW supersedes anyone's right down river. Your mess becomes their responsibility.
Great way to teach the kiddos, huh?
air, wasting power??? you have no clue what my consumption is.
This is patently the problem with Liberals; they want you to conform to their idyllic society whether you want to or not.
They live on assumptions not facts.
Feeling not facts.
Mine comes from the sun via green grass, ruminatin bovines, ploppity plop and vroom of the V8 cranking juice down my line burning stink, turning grass-gas into 110. Before the yogurt, cream cheese, butter and rib eyes medium rare, in the lamplight with silver hair.
Where's yours from, lifer?
GetALife:
Looked at yer video. Impressive strides have been made, no one credible from the anti Yucca contingent has argued this. If they are that safe, and I haven't argued this, uh, why do they need to be moved more than 20-30 miles?
Jeff, since you actually looked at the video, I would like to thank you and encourage you think about this.
If reprocessing is the goal, and it is, isn't it, then having it in ONE central location would not only make sense, it would make reprocessing viable and affordable.
The government doesn't understand affordability, but others do.
btw, thanks for the "credibility" shout out, you have separated yourself from the flock. Good on you.
Hey gbigs, YUCCA IS DEAD.
You can't recycle nuclear waste there either
because that requires a HUGE AMOUNT OF WATER.
YUCCA IS DEAD.
and why is this bad? obama wants nuclear power to reduce the nation's addiction to oil, yet you don't want to deal with its byproducts? you people and your NIMB-ism (not in my backyard) just hurts the country.
nolifeatall, cannot dispute the facts I posted at 2;24 pm, nor will the mentally lazy "Thing" provide any facts of his own.
This is so typical of the sycophant bloggers that are so ever loyal to their miserable failure republicans in Congress that does not have a political platform or agenda for the American people to see.
All the entire miserable failure "Things" do is say "No," "Obstruct," tell lies, even preposterous lies, and repeat them over and over, attempting to brainwash the American citizens.
Nevada will become a CLEAN Nuclear WASTE Dump for the whole nation. The highways will be packed with trucks hauling CLEAN Nuclear WASTE.
Thanks GOP. Money is more important than radiation poison.
jaesun......
Because it's old technology, that's why.
It's not safe, that's why.
New recycling centers need to be built first.
They will be built near the ocean, why?
Because recycling requires huge amounts of water
for cooling.
All you idiotic liberal ex-hippies, your drug use in the 60s surely has baked your brains, as evidenced by your ill-informed, superstitious, boogeyman mentality about nuclear energy.
Truly ignorance on parade.
Chernobyl? Seriously? You're comparing modern American nuclear waste-containment with moldering Cold-War era Soviet technology?
Forget that nuclear power is ten times times more efficient, clean and safe - lets keep the fossil fuel plants belching out millions of tons of black filth into the air every year.
If your fried, flower-child brains can comprehend nothing else, repeat this 100 times:
Nuclear Energy good.
Fossil Fuels bad.
It's very simple. We have the technology and means to safely transport the waster to Yucca where it will be safe for at least 1000 years.
If we can pass our massive debt to the next generation to handle, we can surely pass this problem on to one much further away. Hopefully they will be smarter than our current crop of politicians by then.
American Enterprise Institute's Norm Ornstein: "GOP leaders are becoming the Bart Simpson's of Congress, gleeful at smarmy and adolescent tactics but unwilling to get serious"
The same can be stated of their ever so loyal sycophant bloggers that repeat the talking point lies of their miserable failure republicans. They are the "Bart Simpson's" on the blogs.
Same ole slam the man and kick the can down the rock and roll.
Passing the buck for power originally billed as 'Too cheap to meter!'
The nuclear energy source that is safe and abundant for the aware is still there 93 M miles away.
We run our dairy and cattle operations alongside our homes on fumes from bovine ruminations on sunlight. Spoiled Nevada kids have no idea how this could be. Where's the power come from? LMAO
teamster, yet, it is somehow safer just storing all that waste (and collecting more of it as time goes by) on location? you will have to store it somewhere eventually, and by the time it gets to a critical level, something bad will happen and then people will complain about how it wasn't stored properly 20 years ago in the first place.
YUCCA IS DEAD.
And so is the republican party.
Then we have the morons in dreamland with fantasies about windmills, solar power and liberal love making the world go round.
Do you know how large of a solar array it takes to even heat a backyard swimming pool? How many arrays do you think it would take to power the 200 giant industrial-grade AC units on the MGM?
If you're not going to do your homework I'll save you the trouble: Green energy sources are an absolute joke for powering anything beyond alarm clocks and college science fair cars.
I really don't understand how citizens of Nevada can be in favor of storing radioactive waste, from other states, in our own backyard.
1776, gogo:
Please explain how you can be so excited to store other people's poison 100 miles from where your family lives. Whats in it for you? Whats in it for Nevada?
Two important things that the article gets wrong.
First of all, there is overwhelming bipartisan support for Yucca Mtn. in both houses of congress (including a majority of Democrats). The only way Harry has been able to stall the project is through his unique powers as Senate Majority Leader.
Second, it is almost universally understood that the decision to try and stop the Yucca project was entirely political, and that the science was on the side of the repository (just read any newspaper editorials from all across the country). Why else would one try and stop the NRC (i.e., the objective, scientific, regulatory body) from reviewing the application and making the scientific judgment?
In fact, NRC is actually about to release their formal review of the project (Harry is trying to delay the release until after the election). The NRC's conclusion? They've found that the repository can meet all the (ridiculously strict) requirements by a wide margin, even using extremely conservative (pessimistic) analyses. The science shows that the repository can contain all the wastes, even for a million years.
Former National Review Editor David Klinghoffer: "The right is losing it's way. Now under the influence of the 'potty mouthed' Andrew Breitbart, the right is more concerned with trashing the left than in defending the best values of civilization. Now observe the rule of the crazy cons."
There does seem to be quite a few of the "potty mouthed" Breitbart wanna be's on the Sun letters.
They certainly do not seem to be interested in defending the best values of our civilization.
ggws:
"Thousands of JOBS!
Millions/Billions in revenue for the state. Diversification of industry lessening our reliance on gaming."
That's a bit of an exaggeration. They repository was scheduled to employ around 900 people, mostly government contractors. I don't know where you guys get the idea that Nevada will somehow be making money off of this. Yucca Mtn. is a Federal project on Federal land, employing mostly Federal employees.
The fact is that Yucca is widely opposed in this state, and was in fact vetoed by Gov. Kenny Guinn in 2002, as was his right per the Nuclear Waste Policy Act. Unfortunately, his veto was overridden by congress. We get 0% of our power, in Nevada, from Nuclear reactors. Why is it okay for the government to force us to store the bi-product of a service that we don't even take advantage of? Especially when it's something the citizens of Nevada are clearly opposed to?
What happened to small government and State's Rights guys?
Citizens of other US States and foreign countries come to Las Vegas for vacations, good food, entertainment, and to gamble at the casino's.
If all of America's nuclear waste were stored at Yucca mountain many people would stop coming here because of the potential danger and for emotional reasons.
I realize the boot licking pawn supporters will say or post anything to support their miserable failure masters--the so-called republicans. They are also willing to commit economic suicide for themselves, their families, their neighbors, their community, their state, and even their country.
If they want to commit economic suicide for themselves--go for it. They do not have the right to commit economic suicide for the others mentioned.
If Yucca Mountain developed a leak from the radioactive waste and that waste got into Lake Mead, our drinking water supply, what do you think would happen?
The majority of the population would be evacuated, and massive pumps would be brought in to pump the water into Las Vegas Valley rather than let the radioactive water continue on down stream. That also means that Hoover Dam would be shut down.
Get real! The threat is much, to
much to bear.
My post from earlier:
The real folly of this Yucca debate is that the same right-wingers who advocate for the dump absolutely do not want the radioactive material transported through their states and towns. Fact is the shipping of this deadly trash was a big nail in the Yucca Mtn coffin.
A good example of limitless GOP hypocrisy is Gramps McCane from May, 2007. During his presidential campaign a very solemn and patriotic Gramps said America needs the dump badly...But
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Interviewer: "What about the transportation? Would you be comfortable with nuclear waste coming through Arizona, through Phoenix, on its way to Yucca Mountain?"
McCain (Shaking Head): "No, I would not. No, I would not."
ggws writes:
"And isn't it interesting that the American Hater thinks that people who are 5'2" or less are somehow less than a man? Gee, American Hater, is it your view that your height dictates the quality of a human being?"
Not at all. I simply suspect that you, being someone who cannot resist insulting anyone who does not agree with you, and who brags about how much weight he can lift, is probably a short little fella with a lot to prove. You seem to have a Napoleon complex. That is, you come across as extremely insecure.
Either way, there is no excuse for your constant insulting behavior. Seems like you have a pretty big problem in life.
In any case, out of curiosity--how tall are you?
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ggws, or "the little Napoleon," writes:
"Do you guys really think before you post this nonsense?"
As I said, if you like nuclear energy so much, then stick the waste in your own backyard. Not mine. Or up your arse. I've got other things to tend for the next 10,000 to 20,000 years.
Hope you enjoyed the nice, record-breaking hot summer.
Republicans would pollute and destroy the entire planet, if they could make an extra buck out of it.
Oh wait--they already are!
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Can NV afford to turn down jobs in this economy? No. I was under the impression that dems liked recycling and clean energy. Opposing Yacca, is the politics of a more prosperous past, we can't afford this type of politics any more. Dems need to be consistent here, do you want clean energy and recycling or are those just slogans?
nonodirtyshorts post lie on top of lies and sometimes adds a small kernel of truth and tries to tell us that it is a "Mountain of Truth." nonodirtyshorts hates the truth and intelligence because he knows that will destroy his lying demagogues and himself.
nonodirtyshorts is too mentally lazy to look for the truth and facts at objective sites. nonodirtyshorts would rather use the talking point lies from his miserable masters-- the so-called republicans who are totalitarian, corrupt and incompetent.
nonodirtyshorts gets upset when the majority of the bloggers call him on his verbal garbage. He, then starts insulting people. That is a very good indication that he has lost another one of his phony arguments.
I have suggested that he get a free online psychological evaluation, but nonodirtyshorts does not go there. nonodirtyshorts is so immature that he does not really want to know his weaknesses or even his strengths.
If nonodirtyshorts would only go to a psychologist or psychiatrist but I do not think they could cure him, although they would have a field day analyzing him. I'm sure they would have a ton of laughs at;
Poor, poor pitiful nonodirtyshorts.
God people are idiots. And then they post it so that everyone can see.
No water from Yucca Mountain goes to Lake Mead, it goes to DEATH VALLEY in about 10000 years.
The Republicans just want to follow the US CONSTITUTION which states that Americans follow federal laws, unlike Democrats/Obama/Reid who want to make up policy when they don't like what Congress has passed almost 30 years ago.
Yes, there about 25000 jobs for Nevadans and billions per year in work for construction workers and manufacturers. Reid's efforts for the City Center are minor compared to the 50 years for Yucca Mountain.
Remember, the NRC's ASLB judges have ruled that Obama can not withdraw the license application. These are judges with impeccable credentials. Who do you believe, the independent judicial branch or politicians like Reid and Obama?
Believe all of the BS that Reid is spewing about Yucca Mountain being dangerous, or try to read the license application instead. Planes do fly. Man did go to the moon. Yucca Mountain is safe.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is an ABSOLUTE MORON!!!!
It is time to stop being PC about scientific truth, and start slamming the uneducated liberal left for being anti-science, anti-education, anti anti anti anything but Hollywood's agenda.
People, the rest of the world is moving forward with nuclear technology. If America wants to have a future, then it had better start forcing its citizens to become intelligent and read stuff instead of watching The Simpsons as a science show.
God bless America. And I hope we survive the next 20 years. Because Obama has done tremendous damage in just 1 1/2 years, helped by Reid.
Vote Reid out now!!!!
the guy who hates Biden writes:
"Dems need to be consistent here, do you want clean energy and recycling or are those just slogans?"
You don't seem to understand the very basic fact that nuclear energy--unlike geothermal, solar, wind, or hydro--is not "clean" energy. That is why further development of it has been frozen for the last 30-40 years.
It produces highly radioactive waste that has various isotopes, some of which will last for tens of thousands of years. None of the "clean" energies do that.
One radioactive atom of plutonium can kill you. And that same atom will last for thousands of years.
We've already killed about 80,000 people from the above-ground nuclear explosions in Nevada--people are still dying from the fallout and will continue to die from that same fallout for thousands of years.
You don't die or get sick from wind, solar, hydro, or geothermal.
And since the U.S. is only a few centuries old, all of these people claiming that we can safely watch over something for tens of thousands of years is absurd.
If the ancient Egyptians had used nuclear, Egypt would still be watching over (and paying for) their deadly waste for thousands and thousands of years.
I don't think they would have appreciated that.
Nor would the next 500 generations (divide 10,000 years by an average generation of 20 years and you get 500 generations).
Short sightedness only gets you short-term gain at someone else's expense.
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davelv writes:
"Planes do fly. Man did go to the moon. Yucca Mountain is safe."
Hmmm. Let me see if I can follow that logic:
Apples are red, oranges are yellow, therefore highly radioactive radiation that lasts for tens of thousands of years is completely safe.
Makes total sense.
Let me distill the essence of it:
If a does not equal b, and be does not equal a, then c is whatever I say it is.
Is that about right?
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BTW AmericanPatriot, your ass is being saved on a daily basis by the nuclear weapons and nuclear powered Navy that created vast amounts of waste in South Carolina, Washington and Idaho.
If you don't want this protection, please petition Reid to start Nevada's own nuclear navy and nuclear weapons program to protect your ASS!
Otherwise, a place in the desert 100 miles from the nearest major city next to where nearly 1000 atomic bombs were exploded in an area that gets about 5 inches of rain and over 800 feet below the surface and 1000 feet above the water table sure seems like a good place to put a repository for spent nuclear fuel.
Or are the technical details just too complicated for you to understand?
the democrats built the tunnel, invested billions into the design, hired workers, now Harry Reid a DEMOCRAT is walking away, and when the republicans say we can pick up and do something with this repository as a low leval waste refinary and where companies can build solar, and give jobs to our Nevada, the democrats are crying foul, WHAT just leave the massive trains and tunnels sitting and let Harry Reid put his nuclear waste at the Nevada Test Range, and bluff all of you, well I am a democrat and believe we should not throw all that money away, but put the Yucca Repository to use, if the democrats had not put billions into Yucca, lets ask Harry Reid where he is putting the nuclear waste at the Test Site, oh by the way he just renamed the place to hid the fact that he has no where else to go with it, and fools everyone, where is he putting it into the old mines out there, when a few miles away the democrats have a high class repository for just that purpose, wake up Nevada we may as well get some jobs out of this.
The ever so loyal boot licking supporters of the miserable failure republicans do just like their despicable masters when they come up against the truth, they will never accept it--they deny it to please their totalitarian, corrupt and incompetent leadership.
These lowest of the low supporters will defend the indefensible such as the bush/cheney disaster, the Massey Coal Company when those 29 miners lost their lives, they will defend the indefensible BP in the death of the 11 rig workers and the worst pollution in the world's history.
They will always defend the indefensible segment of the business community that is corrupt and incompetent. Why? These are their criminal business partners.
When it comes to defending or helping "We the People" they say no, time after time.
They are fooling no one, no matter how they try. No matter how many lies they tell, No matter how many times they repeat those lies, they fool no one.
AmericanPatriot:
I'm all for alternative energy, yet we can't kill the economy. Almost all of western europe uses nuclear power. We watched a film in the 1970's and swore off nuclear power off and pot. Dumb all day, we need jobs and cheap power. Why do the dems feel so conflicted about this. Dems step up, do you believe in recycling and clean energy or are these just slogans for not in my back yard- Martha's Vineyard style.
davelv writes:
I"t is time to stop being PC about scientific truth, and start slamming the uneducated liberal left for being anti-science, anti-education, anti anti anti anything but Hollywood's agenda."
Actually, I would say that you are projecting the average Republican's understanding of science on liberals.
Take global warming: what has your party done about it?
Answer: remained in deep denial. Did nothing.
http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/060720...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/...
Evolution: comon--half of you don't even believe in it. You're still trying to change school science text books to reflect your religious beliefs.
Endangered species:
Hell, Sharron Angle wants to get rid of the EPA. Many Republicans want to get rid of the Endangered Species Act.
http://www.well.com/~davidu/extinction.h...
Building new nuclear power plants has been frozen since the 1970s. For good reason. As of yet, the plants continue to produce some of the most deadly substances known to man, which have a "half life" of tens of thousands of years.
If you would like to store that stuff in your personal backyard--then I say go ahead. But please don't put it in mine. I would prefer that Nevada develop "clean" energy, and nuclear energy is not clean.
Anyone who says they are going to watch over something for tens of thousands of years is hallucinating. Our country is not even two and a half centuries old.
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YUCCA IS DEAD.
YUCCA WILL NEVER BE SAFE, PERIOD.
Send that nuclear waste to TEXAS, where it
belongs.
Thank God Democrats run this country.
Republicans are just too damn stupid.
davelv writes:
"BTW AmericanPatriot, your ass is being saved on a daily basis by the nuclear weapons and nuclear powered Navy that created vast amounts of waste in South Carolina, Washington and Idaho. If you don't want this protection, please petition Reid to start Nevada's own nuclear navy and nuclear weapons program to protect your ASS!"
By the way, in case you haven't noticed, the U.S. has gradually been working on ridding the world of nukes. We've cut our inventory in half thus far and so has Russia. Obama just signed a new treaty and there will be further cuts. The goal is to get rid of the vast majority of them.
Irregardless, linking nuclear weaponry and what direction we go in terms of energy development is another apples and oranges discussion.
The best thing to do with nuclear--and the hydrogen bomb's inventor, Robert Oppenheimer, agreed with this--is to put the genie back in the bottle.
Nevadans were assured that above-ground testing was OK. Then that below ground testing was OK. Neither were--and thus far more than 80,000 Americans have died from the bombs we exploded outside of Vegas. Many thousands more will continue to die, as once that stuff escapes, you can't capture it again.
So, to repeat--just the fact that people whose ancestors wore animal skins 10,000 years ago and hunted cave bears are now assuring me that this stuff will be guarded for another 10,000--what else can I do but laugh?
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More info about nuclear power/waste:
"Nuclear power's big con"
www.counterpunch.org/bell/10242008.html.
"Nuclear power? 8 questions need to be answered"
www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-smith/nuc....
1776 and gogowhitesox seem to be enjoying their anti-solar stupidity fest.
On a macro level, The Olmedilla Photovoltaic Park in Spain has been operational for two years and uses more than 160,000 solar photovoltaic panels to generate 60 megawatts (peak) and 85 gigawatt hours per year. It produces enough electricity to power more than 40,000 homes.
On a micro level, a friend of mine in California recently installed solar panels to power his 2000 sq ft, 3 bedroom house. PG&E installed a special meter that essentially runs backward, permitting my friend to sell excess power that he produces from his PV system back to the grid. His most recent summertime electric bill (including energy hogs like A/C, pool pump, etc) came to $12.83.
Nevada has enormous potential to become a major producer and exporter of clean energy as the technology keeps improving -- it's a shame that clowns like 1776 and gogowhitesox insist on trying to drag everyone down to their level of ignorance.
"Then we have the morons in dreamland with fantasies about windmills, solar power and liberal love making the world go round."
India has about 4 million bio-gas generation plants. Farmers like me harvest the energy from cattle that once went unused. They collect the natural gas and use it. On our farms we let that ephemeral source supply electricity for our homes and processing energy.
The solar base we have here in Nevada permits us to maintain excellent rates of gasification.
In the next 20 years it is expected that bio-gas will reach 20 million producers worldwide eliminating need for massive coal burning and transmission losses while providing both natural gas and electricity to many millions for the cost of kicking a turd.
No need for a power plant or ugly overhead wires. Just happy cows and thinking people burning the stink from the ploppity plop on the fresh green grass.
Nevadans will start glowing in the dark if the RepubliCONS have their way! lol
"Come to Las Vegas and have fun! We are a nuclear waste dump!"
The problem with Las Vegas is that money is raised above everything else--so for "1000 jobs" Las Vegas becomes synonymous with nuclear waste and a dump. Just the opposite of the "family fun" and "throw your cautions (and your money) to the wind" that it's been selling for years.
If Harry Reid WERE for Yucca Mountain, all the Reid-haters here would crucify him for it.
gbigs said:
"bushdepression is a PALTALK text snipe folks.
he apparently lives in Vegas in a trailer along with the other gnomes on this board.
Vidi, Vernos, AmerPat, BushDep are typical beggar class losers. He snipe, and gnash teeth, and are failures in life."
I say:
What bible did you learn these thoughts in bigs?
That is really an attack of rage. What is wrong with you?
gbigs writes:
"Vidi, Vernos, AmerPat, BushDep are typical beggar class losers. He snipe, and gnash teeth, and are failures in life."
That's hilarious. Gbigs constantly projects his own moral and personal failures onto anyone who disagrees with him
Not a pretty sight.
You're quite an authoritarian, anti-Democratic, paranoid character, gbigs.
Get some help.
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ok one more time gbigs,
agriculture.
You do realize that folks that are no longer up to snorting coke, tossing off tequila and burning blunts do still like to eat.
Our farms produce yogurt, lattes, white mustaches, cheeses, butter, roasts, steaks, burgers, matching belts, shoes and car seats as well as a surplus of electricity, methane for processing.
It's all free bigs.
It merely requires something that has so far evaded your thought processes - thought processes!
bigs,
when i go back and read your previous comments, I have to laugh.
You actually knew an actual farmer in Iowa! Wow. That's something! For a pencil-necked econ snipe!
After I ran the methane farm and showed it off at your alma mater, we took it to India, China and Southeast Asia. Funny thing, they liked it too.
I love the way you butchered:
Those who can, do; those who can't, teach, after I had told you the steps leading up to the millions of replications of simple solar technology worldwide currently providing practical convenience without a nookie dookie pile that Osama can't wait to blow up!
Just a few factoids on alternative energy around the world and why Harry Reid is interested in it, as opposed to Sharron Angle's total lack of interest:
1) Wind-generated electricity (which creates no greenhouse gases, as opposed to coal-fueled electricity-generating plants) is growing rapidly and has doubled in the last three years. Denmark currently receives 20 percent of its electricity from wind power, Spain and Portugal receive 14%, the Republic of Ireland 11% and Germany 8%.
2) U.S. Department of Energy studies have concluded that wind from the Great Plains states of Texas, Kansas, and North Dakota could provide enough electricity to power the entire nation, and that offshore wind farms could do the same job. If Texas were a separate nation, then by current wind-generation standards it would be ranked sixth in the world. The state of Iowa currently produces 14% of its electricity consumption through wind power.
3) Solar power is currently the fastest growing energy technology industry in the world, doubling every two or three years The 89 petawatts of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface is plentiful--almost 6,000 times more than the 15 terawatts of average electrical power consumed by humans. Solar power is pollution-free and creates no greenhouse gases. If it continues to double in use every two to three years, or less, it will become the dominant energy source within a few decades. Germany is the world' leader and installed a record 3,800 Megawatts of solar power in 2009, Spain 2,600 Megawatts. The U.S., by contrast, installed only 500 MW. Solar power in the United States accounted for less than 0.1% of the county's electricity generation in 2006. The U.S. Department of Energy, however, has recently established the goal of generating 10-15% of the nation's energy from solar sources by 2030.
So I guess we should just pretend that our only option is for America to build more nuclear power plants, that produce deadly waste that has to be guarded for tens of thousands of years--and that no other options exist?
Reid is right on this one. Alternative (clean) energy is the wave of the future.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/scienc...
Nevada Alternative Energy Report:
http://www.econw.com/reports/ECONorthwes...
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again bigs,
ok one more time gbigs,
agriculture.
You do realize that folks that are no longer up to snorting coke, tossing off tequila and burning blunts do still like to eat.
Our farms produce yogurt, lattes, white mustaches, cheeses, butter, roasts, steaks, burgers, matching belts, shoes and car seats as well as a surplus of electricity, methane for processing.
It's all free bigs.
It merely requires something that has so far evaded your thought processes - thought processes!
BTW, casinos have been dying since Atlantic City and the chiefs, Biloxi and riverboats. Where have you been the last 20 years?
gbigs writes:
"ANY ONE, TWO, OR ALL NAYSAYERS OFFER HOW NEVADA GENERATES REVENUE NOW THAT CASINOS ARE DYING?"
Since when are the casinos dying? Sure, profits are down somewhat, but so is the rest of industry across America, because we are still in the Great Recession.
We are at a crossroads as to deciding which direction the United States should go in terms of getting off of oil addiction.
Just because there is a temporary recession has no bearing on whether the U.S. should start building nuclear power plants across the nation, each one of which will generate some of the most lethal substances on Earth.
The U.S. should concentrate on renewable, clean energy. So that we don't push our previous poor planning (getting off of oil) onto future generations in the form of deadly waste that has to be guarded and maintained for tens of thousands of years.
There's an old saying: "poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine."
Just because previous presidents have done little if anything to get the U.S. off of our oil addiction does not mean we have to rush into nuclear power now.
Clean is good.
Future generations will thank us for our intelligence and foresight.
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Go look at the site. I did. Now I support storage in Yucca mountain.
Like everything else, the Democrats put their head in the sand when it comes to making the best and most logical decisions om important items like nuclear waste.
gbigs writes:
"we can also build a recycling facility to gain even more revenue from the site, and store FAR LESS WASTE. up to 90% of rod waste can be recovered. This is what France does for europe"
France has no solar, wind or geothermal options. And they will be sitting on this stuff for tens of thousands of years. That's their problem, not ours:
"Reprocessing spent uranium reactor fuel.
Some argue that reprocessing would reduce waste by separating out plutonium that could then be packaged as "mixed oxide," or MOX, fuel and used in reactors in place of low-enriched uranium. It's not clear whether the amount of high-level waste would be reduced much, unless some other technology is used in conjunction with it. France uses reprocessed MOX fuel to power its nuclear plants, but MOX remains a proliferation threat because the plutonium in it could be used in a nuclear bomb. Reprocessing also requires having a lot of plutonium. In 2008, France reported a stockpile of 55 metric tons of separated plutonium from commercial reactors, enough for roughly 6,000 bombs, according to Frank von Hippel, a nuclear physicist and nonproliferation expert at Princeton University in New Jersey. The technology is also costly: A reprocessing plant might cost $40 billion or more.
Reprocessing, combined with a fleet of fast reactors (see No. 2 below), could in theory burn up long-lived radioactive elements that make spent fuel difficult to site and costly to store. But nonproliferation experts are doubtful. "No potential reprocessing option that would reduce the proliferation risk has yet been identified," says Edwin Lyman, a physicist and proliferation expert with the Union of Concerned Scientists in Washington."
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0322/T...
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Chuckles writes:
"Like everything else, the Democrats put their head in the sand when it comes to making the best and most logical decisions om important items like nuclear waste."
Chuckles, you make me, well--chuckle.
Do you have your head out of the sand long enough to look at global warming? Did you enjoy the hottest summer on record? How about the hottest decade?
Oops, but that's right--the Republicans as a whole deny that global warming exists.....
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/...
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gbigs writes:
"But those who are ignorant of this, like Reid"
With all due respect, gbigs, you don't believe that global warming exists and you don't believe in evolution. You also believe that the govt should stay out of people's lives while at the same time you believe that the govt should control what a woman does with her reproductive rights, that is, with the right to have an abortion. In short, you have the kind of mind where received faith infuses your thinking.
So is it really a good idea to throw a stone at someone else and accuse them of being ignorant? Of not being able to think clearly--like you?
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gbigs writes:
"AmerPat. give it a rest. you are a dying breed. Global Warming is a cult. Evolution is a theory. What you need AmerPat is retraining."
That's pretty funny. I happen to be a biologist by training. So I guess the question is: what church do I need to attend in order to get my scientific mind "right" so that I don't deviate from whatever particular religious thought that you follow? There are 4,200 religions presently--which one is "right" may I ask?
Where do I go for my "retraining" gbigs, on how the scientific method really should take second fiddle to the word of God.
You're making me feel like Galileo--who got a similar order for "retraining" back in the 1600s, and was told that if he did not recant his scientific beliefs, that he would have to report to the Inquisition. Which meant that the church was going to physically torture him so that every one could be on the same religious "page."
I guess I thought some things had changed in the intervening centuries....
Apparently not.
Meanwhile, let me continue my heresy by presenting the joint conclusion of every academy of science in the G8--including that of the United States:
http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/060720...
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Republicans, get it through your thick,
ignorant heads, YUCCA IS DEAD.
Yucca will never be safe, PERIOD.
It sits over known and UNKNOWN EARTHQUAKE
FAULT LINES.
No man on earth can declare it safe.
SEND THAT CRAP TO TEXAS.
gbigs writes:
"ANY ONE, TWO, OR ALL NAYSAYERS IN THIS THREAD OFFER HOW NEVADA GENERATES REVENUE NOW THAT CASINOS ARE DYING?"
Storing the nation's highly radioactive waste for the next 10,000 years is a fool's errand.
Going alternative energy is the way to go. Nevada has excellent solar resources, also geothermal, and wind.
None of those produce any poison whatsoever--and certainly not the deadliest elements known to man that nuclear does.
France had no choice--and now is in bed with the devil for the next 10,000 years.
We have far more options.
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Hey AmericanPatriot,
Are you really so uneducated and naive to believe what you write?
Solar photovolataic cells are made from gallium and arsenic. These are around forever after the solar cells are made and polute the environment wherever they are put. Likewise, read up on nickel mines in Canada. Nickel is used for batteries, but the whole mining operation is intensely polluting! Further, where do you think the power comes from to make solar panels and wind mills? Yeah, 20% of America's electricity is from cheap nuclear power. So these are of course nuclear polluters too. Also, try reading how much land must be used for solar plants. A nuclear plant takes a few hundred acres, solar would take the size of Rhode Island to produce the same amount of power. Just where are you going to put all of your solar panels? What, cover Nevada from border to border so that the a few bordering states can have power? Talk about a sellout - solar power so Californians can live the good life. Just who are you working for - the California tourist agency? Wake up. While Yucca Mountain is not a perfect solution, it is A solution that meets all safety requirements for 1 million years. City Project killed something like 12 people in 2 years getting it built. Nuclear power has never killed one person from radiation. Try being an intelligent grown up adult instead of a patsy for Reid's re-election.
gbigs writes:
"If you planted a windmill in EVERY corner of the US where it can be done, and put up a solar panel in EVERY inch of desert where it can be done. It would make just 18% of our total needs."
It's interesting that you would say this, even though you already know that your statement is not true. And is because we have already discussed this.
Which is the weird thing about some Republicans--they just continue repeating the same mistruths--even though they know what they are saying is not true.
Why is that gibs? Why do you deny so much reality?
I guess it is the same reason why you deny the truth of evolution.
Weird.
"New U.S. Study Triples Estimate of Nation's Wind Power Potential
Tuesday, 23 February 2010 01:12
Wind power potential in the United States is more than triple what was originally thought, according to new estimates from the U.S. Department of Energy, as improved technology makes this renewable energy source more accessible.
A new study released last week, the first since 1993, estimated that onshore U.S. wind resources could generate nearly 37,000,000 gigawatt hours (GWh) annually, more than nine times current total U.S. electricity consumption. The previous government survey of wind resources estimated U.S. wind potential at 10,777,000 GWh.
"This new analysis confirms that America is blessed with vast wind resources that can energize our economy, create jobs, and avoid carbon for years to come," American Wind Energy Association chief executive Denise Bode said.
The new assessment from the DOE's National Renewable Energy Laboratory in collaboration with AWS Truewind of Albany, N.Y., measured wind at higher distances -- 80 meters -- and used more refined measuring techniques. Advances in wind turbine technology have expanded the potential wind use in higher elevations.
The new estimates also realigned the ranking of states for wind energy potential, making Texas No. 1 and relegating the previous top state, North Dakota, to sixth position. Texas is also the leader in wind energy production, with Iowa, now No. 7 in wind potential, ranking second in production."
"The top 10 states in the new ranking are:
1. Texas
2. Kansas
3. Montana
4. Nebraska
5. South Dakota
6. North Dakota
7. Iowa
8. Wyoming
9. Oklahoma
10. New Mexico
Indiana, Ohio and Oregon move into the top 20 for wind energy potential for the first time.
The potential capacity of America's onshore wind resource is over 10,000 gigawatts (GW), AWEA noted. Even though the U.S. wind industry added nearly 10 GW of new capacity in 2009 -- enough to power 2.4 million homes or generate as much electricity as three large nuclear power plants -- the current wind installed capacity is just 35 GW in the U.S., and just 158 GW worldwide.
"The wind resource is there, vast and inexhaustible, waiting for us," Bode said, urging Congress to mandate wind energy targets. "A national Renewable Electricity Standard would not only ensure that we tap our nation's vast wind resources, but create thousands of new American jobs today, manufacturing the 8,000 component parts that go into a modern wind turbine."
http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/W...
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davelv writes:
"Are you really so uneducated and naive to believe what you write?"
Actually, I think your question really addresses yourself.
You are mixing apples with oranges. The nuclear isotopes produced in nuclear power plants are some of the deadliest elements known to man--and just an atom can kill you. And can keep killing for tens of thousands of years.
Try that with an atom of arsenic, which is not radioactive.
You really don't know what you are talking about.
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davelv writes:
"Nuclear power has never killed one person from radiation."
Nuclear power plants produce deadly, radioactive isotopes that will last for tens of thousands of years.
Did you hear of Chernobyl? Do you know that the release of radiation from the nuclear power plant at Chernobyl killed about 5,000 people? And that the whole area is still heavily radioactive and will remain that way for thousands of years? And that perhaps a million people were contaminated? All over Europe?
From Wikipedia:
"The countries of Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus have been burdened with the continuing and substantial decontamination and health care costs of the Chernobyl accident. A 2006 report prepared by the Chernobyl Forum, led by the World Health Organization (WHO) states, "Among the 134 emergency workers involved in the immediate mitigation of the Chernobyl accident, severely exposed workers and fireman during the first days, 28 persons died in 1986 due to ARS(Acute Radiation Syndrome), and 19 more persons died in 1987-2004 from different causes. Among the general population affected by Chernobyl radioactive fallout, the much lower exposures meant that ARS cases did not occur". It is estimated that there were 4,995 additional deaths, between 1991 -1998, among the approximately 60,000 most highly exposed people.
Contamination from the Chernobyl accident was scattered irregularly depending on weather conditions. Reports from Soviet and Western scientists indicate that Belarus received about 60% of the contamination that fell on the former Soviet Union. However, the 2006 TORCH report stated that half of the volatile particles had landed outside Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia. A large area in Russia south of Bryansk was also contaminated, as were parts of northwestern Ukraine. Studies in surrounding countries indicate that over one million people could have been affected by radiation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_d...
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