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Tuesday, April 20, 2010 | 1:45 a.m.
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After nine months of discussion, the city of Henderson and Lake Las Vegas have come to terms on a new water agreement.
The agreement will allow Henderson to take over services that provide untreated water for golf courses and landscaping, Henderson Utilities Manager Dennis Porter said.
The city had previously only provided water to the lake, Porter said. Under the new agreement, it will control much of the infrastructure that manages the water, including lift stations and pipelines.
The agreement doesn't affect drinking water.
The reason for the agreement was stability, Porter said. When Lake Las Vegas went into bankruptcy and parts of the development went into foreclosure, many of its entities were split into separate parcels and took on new owners.
When that occurred, the Master Property Owners Association, which functions much like a homeowners' association, became the water supplier, and in effect, a private utility, Porter said. The association wasn't equipped for that, so it turned to the city for help, Porter said.
“For their long-term desire, they were more comfortable with the city being what they were going to rely on, rather than some other entity,” he said.
The Master Association will still be responsible for the lake’s maintenance.
Porter said the water plan will create a concrete agreement for Lake Las Vegas’ golf courses. The stability of the city's involvement could be seen as positive for a potential buyer, Porter said.
Lake Las Vegas spokeswoman Sandra Sternberg said one of the benefits of the new water plan is that it removes the "middleman" from future water negotiations, meaning separate owners of golf courses could work directly with the city.
Carmel Land & Cattle Co., which owns The Falls and Reflection Bay golf courses, hasn't yet signed the agreement, but Textron Inc., which owns Southshore golf course, has signed.
Carmel Land has until June, or 90 days from the day the agreement passed, to either opt in or out of the agreement, Porter said.
The four parties who have signed the agreement were Textron Inc., the Master Property Owners Association, Lake Las Vegas Joint Venture and the city of Henderson.
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bouvier, how do the golf courses look? do they need water? carmel co. may not bother to sign up if they dont intend to re-open. they may pass the buck to the future owners.
Ummmm....the biggest question that is not addressed in this press release type of article...What is this costing the City of Henderson and the taxpayers? Sounds to me that the City just made a huge financial commitment to Lake Las Vegas. Come on Sun! Don't just take what they (the City) feeds you to report, bring the numbers!!!!
@LVCarp -
The City has not taken on the financial burden of water utility to any part of LLV. They have simply transferred the administration of such utility to the City of Henderson's existing water utility infrastructure. All water acquired for use in LLV will have to be paid for by such private entities, not the taxpayers.
So no, the taxpayers will not have to foot any portion of the water bills for such entities. Yes, there is an extremely nominal increased burden on the taxpayers for the increase in administration that will result in the current administration office's water sales to LLV, but that would be the case with any and all growth in Henderson's utility jurisdiction (ie: new shopping centers, new homes being built, new office or government buildings, etc.).
@dipstick - LLV's courses look great. The Bermuda is out of hibernation, just as it is with every other course in the valley that was not overseeded with Rye.
One of the main reasons why Carmel hasn't been able to sell the courses over the past 10-14 months is this water acquisition issue. So, my bet is they want this agreement in place yesterday. And, if they do want to re-open, this will allow them to do so. Either way, it's a huge step in the right direction.
To use TedBundy's analogy, we're now in the top of the 4th inning, 1-0, with guys on 2nd & 3rd.
Go LLV !
The courses look great!!! The dormant bermuda grass is turning nice and green!!!
This issue has been discussed in the exit from Chapter 11 bankruptcy plan as well the City of Henderson's recent LLV update which is in the website. Dipstick, this arrangement is what Carmel was asking for! They didn't want water from the lake. Again, more comments from those who have no factual knowledge about the situation. You can check the City of Henderson website for this LLV report. Page 4.
This is a step in the right direction. This water situation and the bankruptcy plan will untangle most if not all of these issues created by the original developer. This is positive for the potential buyer. I doubt anyone would buy them until this was agreed on.
Oh, and Dipstick, the owners of the golf courses will pay stiff fines for not maintaining them. Unfortunately overseeding is not required. The courses are being mowed, watered and groomed.
I disagree folks!Of course the WATER will be paid for by the User/Consumer, and yes the administration is already built in. BUT the COST is in the infrastructure, i.e. lift stations, pumps, pipes etc. There have been legacy issues of these being designed poorly, not operating correctly and NOW all of the maintenance and repair and replacement will FALL totally on the CITY OF HENDERSON and to fix and replace in the future. Great deal for LLV! There is NOTHING that is free and/or that doesn't come with hidden costs. Those costs will be absorbed by the citizens in the future. SUN!! Ask the Utility department as to the condition and engineering defects of the infrastructure at LLV. Because when it was a 'private' utility they designed it improperly, sized. Yep, all of these parties are more than aware of it but don't want to discuss it.
@Carp -
The maintenance & repair costs are billed to the respective HOAs. Read the docs.
The city will likely break even in this water agreement. This acquisition makes up fewer than 1 percent of all of the water pipelines in Henderson.
Consumers will be charged an amount similar to what they already are paying for untreated water -- about $1.41 per 1,000 gallons, according to Dennis Porter. The city won't be making money on these pipelines, but it expects it won't be losing any, either.
Gee,
Turning to government to do something right?
What hypocrites rich people are. When they want their golf courses nice and green, they don't turn to Chem Lawn or other private services to manage the water they turn to government.
The facts are that government is cheaper than private industry.
Too bad, these rich people won't admit that government run health care is also cheaper.
That this what rest of the world knows and does.
It is just that rich people make too much money off of sick people so they don't want government doing it better and cheaper.
Give me liberty or give me government run health insurance.
Interesting when the chips are down, snobby Lake Las Vegas turns to Henderson City for "Stability" The moral of this story is never fortress and become an island unto yourself yourself from the rest of society. Money doesn't hold water..
they bailed out wall street because thats the center piece of capitalism, which some people feel is the best economic system in the world; i'll let you be the judge.
Hooterville forever, forever Hooterville!
The water issue at "LLV", has been my #1 concern and rightfully so... What is the city thinking? We are in a drought! LLV; Shoots their wad of water at all times of day! The city of Henderson backs these procedures? I personally will call the water "Police" if I see it happening and make a big stink! The evaporations at their lake and fountains make me sick! Get over yourselves at LLV.........And the City of Henderson......Don't give the water away.... Have respect for the valley and Lake Mead!!!!!!!!!!!!