POLITICAL MEMO:
Karl Rove: Eventually, GOP must supply answers
Gov. Jim Gibbons greets Karl Rove on Wednesday after Rove delivered the keynote address during the Nevada Policy Research Institute’s 18th Anniversary Celebration at the Venetian.
Sunday, Sept. 27, 2009 | 2 a.m.
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Karl Rove got a standing ovation from Nevada conservatives last week as he ascended the stage at a posh fundraising dinner for the Nevada Policy Research Institute.
Introduced as a “visionary for public policy,” the former White House adviser tried to live up to the billing, arguing that President Barack Obama’s health care plan had provided conservatives with an opening for a political comeback — but that Republicans need to offer an appealing alternative to capitalize on the opportunity.
After all, Rove said, “there is no gigantic demand for the kind of radical change (Obama’s) promising.”
The crowd ate it up.
Yet Rove proves an unlikely leader to return Republicans from the political wilderness, given that his brand of steamroller politics put the party there in the first place. His scorched-earth approach to campaigning — and governing — set the stage for Obama’s presidency and the Democrats’ return.
When Obama pledged during the campaign to deliver a new kind of politics, he was making direct reference to the divisive strategies Rove pursued in the Bush years.
To be sure, Rove is one of the most celebrated political strategists in American history, inspiring tomes on his strategic genius such as “One Party Country” and “The Way to Win.” He was the primary architect of George W. Bush’s campaigns and helped return Republicans to the majority in Congress in 2002.
But the tide turned shortly after Bush’s reelection. With an eye toward a permanent Republican majority, Rove pushed Social Security privatization and health-care savings accounts, policies that had little public support. Bush toured the country attempting to sell those programs at a time when a majority of Americans were concerned with the worsening war in Iraq.
In 2006 voters responded by returning Congress to the Democrats, who built on those gains two years later and retook the White House. Republicans lost ground with women, Latinos, young people and independents, making the party more white, conservative and regional.
If Rove has divined any political lessons from those blistering defeats, it wasn’t clear from his speech last week.
In fact, he said the thing he most regrets from his time in the White House is failing to respond aggressively to charges by Democratic leaders that Bush had lied about Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction.
“We should have stood up and taken a two-by-four to them in a polite and respectful fashion,” he said.
The country, he said, is still center-right. Obama won the presidency because he campaigned as a centrist, only to take office and govern as a liberal, Rove said.
He called the ongoing debate among Republicans about whether the party should return to its roots or chart a new course “sterile, artificial and unnecessary.”
His solution: “We can draw on our timeless principles and apply them to the new circumstances we face as a country.”
On health care, he revived a long-standing favorite: health-care savings accounts. In addition, he advocated tax credits, interstate competition in the health insurance market and tort reform to protect doctors from medical malpractice lawsuits.
“We’ll be defined this year by what we oppose, and we’re opposed to Obamacare,” Rove said. “But by next year, we need to be able to articulate what it is we’re for, because there is a problem — some people are not getting health insurance and can’t afford it.”
According to public opinion polling, the political landscape, favorable to Democrats in the past two election cycles, is shifting. Independents, who were critical to Democratic gains, are moving to the Republican Party. Notably, that defection seems to have less to do with Republican ideas than it does with general discontent with Congress.
According to the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, Democrats are still widely seen as the party best able to bring about the kinds of changes the country needs. They are also seen as better equipped to deal with most major policy issues, including health care.
Rove clearly disagrees.
Voters will ultimately decide if more of the same from Republicans is enough.
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standing ovation, would you expect anything less from bunch of rich selfish people who drove this country into the ground. tax breaks for the rich, outsourceing, 2 wars, outing cia agents,katria,letting millions of illegals in for cheap labor, etc, etc, yeah great ideas karl, you scumbag.
karl i have no morals whatsoever rove is the biggest political scumbag of our generation...
watch the frontline report on this little maggot...
it will make you puke...
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...
and to think the nevada policy research institute had him in to speak...
what a bunch of scumbags those clowns must be...
somebody needs to challenge npri's tax status...
and the venetian...
this proud liberal democrat will never step foot in that dump ever again...
besides...
the wynn is right there and much much nicer!!!
formervegas forgot to mention that the previous administration kept us safe...
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said we all should take from the workers and give to the unemployed
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said we must be fair today, no work means equal pay
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said take a dollar, here make it two
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said soak those who work hard and give it to those who don't
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
YEAH. Barack Hussein Obama
safe huh larry, do you have amnesia when 9-11 happened, oh yeah you'll try to put blame someone else i guess. let me try your and becky boy reasoning, you take 9 make it a 8, divide by 2, add a 12, subtract 2001, square root 13, and this happened under bill clinton. am i close.
Hit his politics but don't dismiss his intelligence. Karl Rove said a lot in this speech. Today's battle is to stop the government take over of health care but then there must be a good solution to people without health care and affordability.
Those are suppose to be what the Democrats are for. The problem is the extremists in the party have hijacked this battle to reach their goal of government control of everything. The problems Rove identified are what both parties should be working on today.
Instead we have the "progressives" (extreme socialists) mandating the centrist democrats take their all or nothing plan and are playing decades old politics instead of working for the American people.
Obamas words were, follow me with my plan or sit down and shut up and do nothing.Now thats what I call "for the people". And birdie wants us to go to a totally liberal article like frontline who is in bed with the Washington Post for truth.???? Thats like saying the Las Vegas Sun is not a bias newspaper.
LarryVegas wrote: "formervegas forgot to mention that the previous administration kept us safe..."
LarryVegas also conveniently forgets about the high-level security memos Bush received before 9/11 warning about al-Qaida's plans to imminently attack the U.S. Apparently, Bush was too busy planning vacations to be bothered by such pesky matters as protecting and defending the U.S. That is some way of keeping us safe!
bush was reading karl's favorite book, my pet goat.
ionfield, sorry but I did not receive the high-level security memos that you and President Bush received. And, as I recall, Franklin D. Roosevelt received warnings also...
That's life.... Hey there may be a song in there somewhere..
Karl Rove is a visionary. I like his ideas and principles. More people should listen to him, he makes sense and we don't have a lot of common sense going on with the current administration. We can make that change the next election. Taking away the power from the out-of-control congress and the OBAMA Administration, you'll start seeing balance results. Not the crap this administration is producing currently.
LarryVegas wrote: "ionfield, sorry but I did not receive the high-level security memos that you and President Bush received."
When your only news outlet is Fox "News," it is no wonder you know nothing of Bush's daily security briefing that showed him to be a careless idiot who was not interested in protecting our country if it interfered with his vacation.
The security memo was titled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US," and was designated and dated, "For the President Only, 6 August 2001."
Since you are not likely to find this information on Fox "News," I included some of the text from the memo:
"Bin Ladin wanted to hijack a US aircraft"."
"FBI information"indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country [US] consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York."
"The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full field investigations throughout the US that it considers Bin Ladin-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our Embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group of Bin Ladin supporters was in the US planning attacks with explosives."
And where was George Bush when he received this memo? Vacationing at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, of course. Let's not let a small thing such as imminent attacks on the U.S. interfere with his vacation.
So tell me ionfield why Bin Ladin not taken out after the U.S.S Cole attacked. US soldiers lives were not that important. Stop laying blame with just one party. There were lots of mistakes made and the attacks of 9-11 werent planned after Bush took office. If Bin Ladin had been taken care of after the Cole attacks then we would not be having this conversation.
desertsun,
the Devil is a visionary too.
Larry,
LOVE the new lingo. "WAILERS". Very hip, very now, very original. That other "bit" you've introduced, I can't even read any of em. Thank God. Are they rhymes??? Raps??? what?
ionfield, you will confuse Larry with sources beyond Fox. He's "smitten" with Glen & the rest.
tullyroost wrote: "So tell me ionfield why Bin Ladin not taken out after the U.S.S Cole attacked. US soldiers lives were not that important. Stop laying blame with just one party. There were lots of mistakes made and the attacks of 9-11 werent planned after Bush took office. If Bin Ladin had been taken care of after the Cole attacks then we would not be having this conversation."
Of course there were mistakes made by all administrations, but when you are presented with high-level intelligence that shows imminent attacks and you do nothing, that is completely irresponsible.
You say, "If Bin Ladin had been taken care of after the Cole attacks...." Yes, if bin Laden had been taken care of by the Clinton administration, but what about Bush who did not take care of him for eight years? Instead, Bush decided to lie to us about WMDs and attack Iraq, a country that was in no way connected with the 9/11 attacks or al-Qaeda. And now, bin Laden is still running around loose raising havoc.
PS. Where was George Bush when Katrina struck? On Operation: Enduring Vacation. Bush was vacationing, of course. FEMA ranked a major hurricane strike on New Orleans as "among the three likeliest, most catastrophic disasters facing this country," directly behind a terrorist strike on New York City.
When Katrina struck, Bush decided to remain on vacation. I believe his thinking went something like, "Ah, crap, I don't have time for this, I'm on vacation. Let Brownie handle it, he will do a heck of a job."
And so it goes, the most vacationing president in U.S. history. Neither an attack on the U.S., a catastrophic hurricane, or a couple of wars would deter our fearless president from taking or interrupting his vacations. Thank you so much, Karl Rove, for giving us such a wonderful president. You taught Bush well.
ionfield is living in his make believe world that everything that went wrong in it is the fault of George Bush.
The Bush Administration kept us safe. I hope we can say the same for the Obama Administration.
I came up with the words. Maybe you and the gmager can come up with a tune:
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said that Afghanistan was the right war
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said he would bring out troops back home
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said that all nations would be sending troops to Afghanistan.
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said he would listen to his Generals
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
YEAH. Barack Hussein Obama
LarryVegas............
Barack Hussein Obama
Are YOU responsible for your middle name?
Get off it already, he's not a muslim and he never was. AND........even if he was that's still not against the law here.
LarryVegas reminds me of the three monkeys, see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil when it comes to the Bush administration. 9/11 must have happened during the Clinton administration.
Pgelsman...
I guess you don't watch FOX NEWS. Because if you had, you would have known that this was a song grade school children were being taught in school. (with a few modifications by me.) Following is the song with the exact words being sung in a public school.
"Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said all should lend a hand to make the country strong again
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said we must be fair today, equal work means equal pay
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said take a stand, make sure everyone gets a chance
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
He said red, yellow, black and white, all are equal in his sight
Uhm, uhm, uhm, Barack Hussein Obama
YEAH. Barack Hussein Obama"
PGelsman, you really should watch FOX NEWS so you would not have been blind sided by this...
ionfield...
You got to get over this Bush thing. It is eating you up. You blame Bush for 9/11, hurricanes, and everything else that happened on his watch. Don't forget floods, droughts, tornadoes and the like.
The Bush administration is history and in a couple of generations, his legacy will be cast.
The Bush Administration kept us safe. I hope we can say the same for the Obama Administration.
Let's look forward and try to avoid the next attack on the Motherland.
ksiff, lol, not anyway near 99%, you can kiss my. larry, desert, ksiff or kisser, drink the rich mans kool aid. larry just because you repeat something dosen't make it true. safe, safe, safe, safe, still isn't fact.
formervegas...
One more time:
The Bush Administration kept us safe. I hope we can say the same for the Obama Administration.
kisser keep kissing that butt. when i get lazy dude, i'll gladly take your wingbuts money. safe at home larry. you can teach a dog new tricks, but you can't tell the truth to any republican. you guys have lost it. let's see church on sunday, screw the little guy monday.
formervegas:
And you can lead a donkey to water but he is still a Democrat...
According to public opinion polling, the political landscape, favorable to Democrats in the past two election cycles, is shifting. Independents, who were critical to Democratic gains, are moving to the Republican Party...
Adios, Obama...
don't think you want to bet the house on that larry, party of do nothing to help PEOPLE, is only attractive to rich and selfish.
turd blossom rove cant spin his way out of the mess the republicans got us into. how can any moron even think about voting republican?
Give em hell Karl.
By LarryVegas
9/27/09 at 10:47
ionfield, sorry but I did not receive the high-level security memos that you and President Bush received. And, as I recall, Franklin D.
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See SmokingGun.com. Presidential Daily Briefing. Something all republicants should read and then, as an American, not as a republicant admit that Dick Chenny telling you what a great job they did is Bull$hit. Or is honesty not in your playbook either. "Tell a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes the truth" That is the Rove doctrine.
According to public opinion polling, the political landscape, favorable to Democrats in the past two election cycles, is shifting. Independents, who were critical to Democratic gains, are moving to the Republican Party...
Just did a quick search ("taxes paid top 10%):
The Top 10 Percent of Income Earners Paid 71 Percent of Federal Income Tax
The U.S. tax system is highly progressive. The top 1 percent of income earners paid 40 percent of all federal income taxes in 2006...
You're off by 59%, ksiffermann
Providing coverage to all is not really major issue with the Obama administration. Obama is using it as another crisis to get a complete government takeover of the health care system.
A government takeover of the health care system advances his socialist agenda.
LarryVegas wrote: "Providing coverage to all is not really major issue with the Obama administration. Obama is using it as another crisis to get a complete government takeover of the health care system.
A government takeover of the health care system advances his socialist agenda."
I would be more than happy with a complete government takeover of the health care system. I have VA health care, which is a completely government controlled system with government employed doctors, nurses, and other health care workers. I could not be happier with the health care I receive from the VA. No insurance companies to go through. No denials for pre-existing conditions. No denials for any reason. I love my socialist VA health care.
And I would love to see a single-payer system for all. If there is anything that should be under government control, it is the health care system. Put all of the greedy health insurance companies out of business. The have screwed us over for far too long.
The latest poll by Scott Rasmussen not only shows national opposition to Obamacare rising -- now it is 41% for 56% against -- but also shows the elderly moving against it even more strongly by 33% for 59% or almost 2:1 against it...
Rasmussen polls are hopelessly skewed to the right/Republicans. I take whatever he says and move it about 5%.
If it's such a important issue, why doesn't the Obama administration IMMEDIATELY through a Presidential Proclamation make Medicaid available to all who can't afford health insurance and have preexisting conditions and can not obtain health insurance?