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twitterCops knew of counseling service
Owner says police were aware of arrangement as Metro denies promoting, approving the business plan
Sam Morris
Steven Brox, left, owner of United States Justice Associates, talks with his attorney, Robert Draskovich, this week about Metro Police’s raid on the business. Brox says he thought he “was doing a great thing for the community” by having people arrested in casinos pay to go through his counseling service rather than face criminal charges.
Saturday, Sept. 19, 2009 | 2 a.m.
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The counseling company raided this week in an extortion investigation had run its business plans past Metro Police several times in the past two years, and in 2007 a uniformed department spokesman even briefly starred in the company’s marketing video.
“I never heard a negative thing about it. I thought I was doing a great thing for the community,” the owner of the company, Steven Brox, told the Sun on Thursday.
Two days earlier Metro detectives had spent about eight hours searching the office of Brox’s United States Justice Associates, 1212 South Casino Center Blvd., for records and other material connected to a moneymaking program authorities now say amounted to an end-run around the justice system.
Brox’s program worked like this: When casino security guards detained people on misdemeanor charges — such as trespassing, disorderly conduct and petty theft — they would attempt to route the detainees into the program as an alternative to calling police to arrest them. While the people were detained, they were shown a video that presented them with the “option” of enrolling in the program to avoid a criminal record. The detainees were charged $500 to enroll, and Brox paid $100 to the casinos for each person who completed the program.
In spring 2007, Brox was able to get one of the department’s public information officers, Jose Montoya, to appear as the program’s spokesman on the video Brox intended to use to pitch the program — until Sheriff Doug Gillespie saw the video and instructed the department not to become involved in the private enterprise.
Brox said he replaced Montoya with an actor, and then distributed the video to casinos in his effort to recruit the people detained on the minor charges.
Brox showed the Sun copies of both videos, and they use the same script. He said the production company simply superimposed the actor over Montoya on the video.
Police now say in court documents that the video was “very threatening” toward program participants because it implies that people being detained will go to jail if they don’t enroll and complete the program.
Brox, however, said the program provided a service to not just the casinos but the police, their overcrowded jail and the overloaded court system. He said his confidence in the legality of the program was bolstered by the support of District Judge Doug Smith who, as a Las Vegas justice of the peace, had endorsed his company’s efforts.
Smith was interviewed this week by detectives investigating United States Justice Associates, which has been offering counseling programs through the court system for a decade.
Gillespie acknowledged this week that he didn’t consider the content of the company’s video threatening when he reviewed it two years ago, but he also said he didn’t think it was appropriate for the police department to play a role in the video.
“I just got the impression this would be used as something that we, as a police department, would be saying ‘use this program,’ and I didn’t think that was our place to be doing that,” Gillespie said.
Deputy Chief Greg McCurdy, who is overseeing the just-started criminal investigation, said Montoya also had concerns about how he was portrayed in the video and wrote a letter in May 2007 asking the company to remove him. About the same time, Metro’s legal counsel sent United States Justice Associates a letter instructing the company not to involve the department in the program, McCurdy said.
But Brox said that in the weeks after he had met with Gillespie, he showed the video with the superimposed actor to at least two ranking Metro officers — Capt. Charles Hank, who handles police operations on the Strip, and Vice Lt. Karen Hughes. Neither officer had a problem with it, and Hank even voiced support for the diversion program at a casino security chiefs meeting, Brox said.
McCurdy confirmed that Brox had talked to both Hank and Hughes about the program, but the deputy chief said both officers told a police lieutenant that they didn’t express any approval of it to Brox.
“They met with him, but did not voice an opinion or do anything that should be taken as an endorsement,” McCurdy said, adding that Hank also told the lieutenant that he did not speak in support of the program at a security chiefs meeting.
McCurdy said he could not explain why police didn’t investigate United States Justice Associates two years ago. He said detectives became interested in the case this week after they spoke to a security chief at Planet Hollywood.
In an affidavit to obtain a warrant to search the office of United States Justice Associates, detectives said the security chief, Calvin Abercrombie, was concerned about Planet Hollywood’s participation in the program.
Brox said the police raid has basically shut down his business because detectives seized his computers and records, and that has left clients in limbo.
The raid occurred a week after the district attorney’s office filed a six-count criminal complaint against Brox, stemming from the alleged sexual assault of one of his relatives, a 15-year-old girl.
Brox, who said he expects to be “exonerated” on the sex charges, would not comment on the timing of the two actions.
Before the raid, United States Justice Associates had business arrangements with several other casino companies, including neighborhood gaming giants Boyd Gaming Group and Station Casinos, Brox said.
Boyd Gaming spokesman David Strow said his company had not signed a contract with Brox.
“We were in the process of determining how and when their services would be used,” Strow said.
Station Casinos spokeswoman Lori Nelson said her company no longer does business with United States Justice Associates.
“We have used this company on an occasional basis, but we recently stopped using their services,” Nelson said.
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"Brox paid $100 to the casinos for each person who completed the program"
Why is that happening?
I think that should raise some eyebrows on the legality of the program.
I also think the Gaming Commission should raise this issue with the casinos involved.
It looks like a con game.
The casinos make money by "arresting" people.
In the rest of the United States, this is called Kidnapping for Ransom. Each Security Guard in each casino who participated should be charged by the District Attorney's Office for felony kidnapping. Extortion sounds like another reasonable charge they all should face. At the very least a good attorney should be able to win very large judgments for victims of whom the casinos violated their civil rights.
With Liberty and Justice for those that can afford the shakedown.
Really, can it get any dirtier than this and still call Las Vegas anything but the most corrupt city in America?
Shakedown is exactly what it is. The $100. kickback makes it so. If it had been a court established diversion program for first time offenders, maybe it would fly. It does smell either way. By-by judge Smith, another dirt-bag lawyer will take your place come election time.
Has anyone yet suggested that racism played a part here?
Well, maybe OJ should have been offered this opportunity instead of his current illegal detention by the flawed judicial system.
I think the real story is is whether United Justice Associates also gives kickbacks to the criminal defense attorneys who refer them clients. Or to the Judges that "suggest" in court that you use a particular counseling agency, when the courthouse has its own counseling on the 4th floor. Follow the money. Why would a judge refer you to a private agency in the first place? That alone is a big red flag. Do they tell criminal defendants which attorneys (their friends, perhaps?) you should hire too?
That is even bigger than the "end run" angle Mr. German. If a case has "witness problems" a defense attorney could get it dismissed outright. But, if the attorney gets a nice big fat payday for sending their client to counseling, they have just divided a loyalty that should have been indivisible.
There is the story Mr. German. Kickbacks.
""distributed the video to casinos in his effort to recruit the people detained on the minor charges."
"Recruit detainees on minor charges?"
What authorities were authorized to issues the minor "charges" in the first place, the casinos, metro?
What legal authorities authorized/condoned this "program" under compliance of legal "due process"?
Has the ACLU been involved?
Have there been any lawsuits issued by participants of this "very threatening" illicit "justice" recruiting program?
Everyone involved needs to go to prison. What has not been mentioned is that casino security guards are poorly trained and generally have little or no knowledge of what constitutes a valid "arrest." Every one of these "detentions" likely was a false imprisonment committed by the security guards involved. False imprisonment is a crime as well as a civil matter. Each individual security guard should be criminally prosecuted, along with the casino pinheads who approved participation in this extortion scheme.
Links to examples of other casino abuse of patrons:
http://bj21.com/advantageplay/lawandtaxe...
An official lack of response:
http://bj21.com/advantageplay/lawandtaxe...
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Opinions and Commentary on the Gaming Industry: www.TheBearGrowls.com
WHAT THE F IS WRONG WITH THIS TOWN?????
You got JUDGES locking people up because he felt like it, also known as KIDNAPPING IN NORMAL CITIES/STATES. Security in casinos KIDNAPPING PEOPLE and extorting them to avoid prosecution. And this BROX SCUMBAG has the balls to sit there ant try to say this is legit. Metro probably did condone what you're doing for a kickback or two, that doesn't surprise me. THIS PLACE NEEDS CLEANING UP. We were better off when the mob ran the joint, at least then you knew who was who.
Yet another reason to just stay away from the casinos.
The little "White Lie" has become a "Black Hole".
Is No-Neck David Roger in on this too? I mean, by what authority does a casino get to decide whether someone is charged with a small or little crime? It is extortion, plain and simple. Casino patrons are detained in a security cell and forced to watch a private company's video, and if they opt to enroll in the program the casino does not call the police?
Criminal defendant Brox spins it like he is only trying to help addicts and the community. Right. Money had nothing to do with it? If criminal defendant Brox simply wanted to held these addicts, did he tell them to enroll in Drug Court, where the COUNTY PAYS? Did criminal defendant Brox tell these downtrodden addicts that they could enroll in COUNTY alternatie sentencing programs on the 4th floor of the Regional Justice Center that cost alot less than United Justice Associates?
And why didn't Judge Smith just send them to Drug Court, or Mental Health Court, at county expense, if everyone is so altruistic? Right. They are all as altruistic as the British Goverment in South Africa. Had nothing to do with diamonds, simply trying to help the indigenous poor people. Right.
Metro's Karen Hughes? Enough said.Corruption with a dose stupidity and affirmative action and you now have Karen Hughes.
And here cones thumper with his usual b.s. by calling everyone who disagrees with him a racist.He really belongs with his pal the proven liar Al Sharpton, they both have the same broken, discredited agenda.Go away.
Round up the usual suspects! (They're worth $100 each.)
The casinos have their security guards acting like cops, so why not have a phony rent-a-cop, rent-a-court to go with them?
Metro is a bunch of sleaze balls and liars anyway, why would anyone think the Doug "lights and siren" Gillespie wouldn't be trying to feather his own nest?
I heard him on one of the local hate-talk radio stations advocating photo radar like the have in Arizona, which would open the door to more corruption and kickbacks.
SOUNDS LIKE A PONZI!
Wecome to Vegas!
Shakedown.
Disneyworld in Orlando used to pull this same stuff; detain suspected miscreants (usually shoplifting suspects), hold them for hours without calling the cops or letting the detainees contact anyone, then forcing them to sign a "release" and pay a "fine." The local authorities were all too happy to look the other way. Privatized extrajudicial summary "law enforcement."
This Brox dude needs to go down.
All prior posts are on point, and also consider:
HYPOTHESIS: Metro was getting wind that Metro was going to be investigated for the obvious travesty of due process and civil rights, implicating Metro; the Casinos'; and their 'Security Personnel."
PREDICTION: Metro will "Discover" something ghastly on Brox's computers.
FACTS:
United had been providing services to the Casinos for TEN years.
United had business arrangements with Several Casino Companies, including Boyd and Stations Casinos, before the raid.
Gillespie didn't find United's video "threatening" when he viewed it two years ago.
"Police now say in court documents that the video was very threatening toward program participants."
McCurdy said he "couldn't explain" why Metro didn't investigate United 2 years ago.
Metro became "interested in this case last week" after speaking with Planet Hollywood, and after Roger's "office" filed the six-count complaint against Brox based on the 15 year old's allegations.
SUGGESTION: The ACLU must step up against Metro, David Roger, and the Casinos, and it is ABOUT Time. This time, it will be on behalf of United's "enrollees"...while keeping its options open to help Brox, should he need it.
And he will need it.
I am contacting the USDOJ.
I wrote about this kind of crap in my graduate thesis in 1998:
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"There is no Constitution at Disneyland; we have our own laws here."
...The above-cited Disney quote appeared in the press on November 4, 1996 (AP, Las Vegas Review-Journal, p. 4B) in a story concerning allegedly excessive security practices at Disneyland. The remark was reportedly made by a Disney security supervisor to the mother of a young Disneyland employee who had been detained by Security and held incommunicado for several hours after she neglected to turn in her uniform after leaving her job at an ice cream shop on the premises. The news item also recounted additional episodes wherein guests suspected of shoplifting were similarly detained and subjected to prolonged interrogation and intense pressure to confess, sign releases, and pay summary "civil damages" on the spot as a condition of release from "custody." Earlier last fall, similar stories appeared in central Florida papers regarding the same types of security practices at Disney World in Orlando. Critics complained that Disney, owing to its enormous economic clout in the area, effectively operated a private extrajudicial fiefdom, with the off-the-record assent of a local law enforcement establishment quite content to let Disney administer its own brand of "justice" for the mostly petty offenses the park encountered, thereby lightening the load on the overburdened police...
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http://www.bgladd.com/drugwar/chapter4.h...
Scurrlious. This Brox thing needs to be fully investigated.
Look at his "investment opportunities" page:
http://www.usjsinc.com/invest_oppor.php
It'll probably go offline soon, so I've captured screen shots of his various web pages. Dude probably had visions of becoming a billionaire with this scam.
Love the photo caption:
'Brox says he thought he "was doing a great thing for the community" by having people arrested in casinos pay to go through his counseling service rather than face criminal charges.'
Casinos don't have legal authority to "arrest" anyone. These suspects were not "arrested" in the legal meaning of the term. This was an illegal diversion from lawful "arrest," accomplished via extortionate duress.
What has happened to Vegas? When I worked security back in the day we just kicked these people's a**'s and threw them out the back door.
Mr. Binion (senior) must be rolling in his grave (the previous comments are for entertainment purposes only and any reference to any person alive or dead, real or fictional is purely coincidental).
Absolutely, positively, without-a-doubt, and utterly UNBELIEVABLE! And let's not forget, pitiful, that this was allowed to go on as long as it did.
From the USJA website:
OUR PROCESS
The following process gives you a step-by-step outline of how a defendant successfully completes our programs. These educational programs are primarily completed via mail and studies. Over 67% of all defendants referred to our programs actually enroll; 96% of all program enrollees successfully complete our programs; and 90% of program participants do not commit a repeat offense.
1. The defendant receives notification of eligibility, by letter. The defendant then calls for an appointment or comes in to enroll in the program.
2. The administrator explains the requirements of the program for successful completion and makes additional payment arrangements if necessary. In some cases the Prosecutor/Judge may make restitution a requirement of successful completion. Such as, in most vandalism and battery cases. In cases where restitution is a requirement, the program collects the restitution and distributes it to the victim.
3. The defendant signs waiver-of-rights and enrollment forms.
4. The defendant completes a handwriting sample to be used in comparison to their completed materials. (to insure that the defendants do their own work).
5. In addition to the handwriting sample, the defendant completes a psychosomatic disposition questionnaire. If it is determined that the defendant is in need of psychological counseling then the program will pay for the defendant to be seen by a local, court approved, psychologist.
6. Upon completing the psychological questionnaire, the defendant is given a pre-test of the criminal justice system. This is compared to the post-test, which allows the program administrators to measure the results of their improvement.
7. If the defendant pays for the program in total, then the defendant is instructed that they will receive the program materials within a few days. If the defendant still owes money, then the defendant is instructed that they will receive the materials after the administrator has received the defendant's payment in full.
8. After the defendant sends the materials back, they are corrected and evaluated for completeness.
9. If everything is in proper order and the materials (video & workbook) are returned in good condition, the defendant is issued a certificate of completion at which time they are done.
10. A letter of completion accompanies the certificate of completion congratulating the defendant, also reminding the defendant that if they commit a new crime within one year the current charges may be re-filed.
The entire process is managed by a state-of-the-art computerized case tracking system, which makes the above-described process the most effective and efficient first-time offenders program on the market today, especially in counties such a Clark County with its extremely transient/touristy population. This system cannot be beat!
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A criminal "defendant" is someone who has been ARRESTED and CHARGED with an offense.
Wow, the Gestapo is real.
Am I living in America? This is the USA, right?
I can't really see what race has to do with this. However anyone with an attorney would have laughed at the casinos for trying to pull this and then sued them, so they probably targeted younger and poorer people for this scam, or people who didn't want to go back to prison because of parole or probation issues.
Over all a crying disgrace that obviously SCREAMS for some outside investigation.
Note in particular item 2 above in OUR PROCESS:
2. The administrator explains the requirements of the program for successful completion and makes additional payment arrangements if necessary. In some cases the Prosecutor/Judge may make restitution a requirement of successful completion. Such as, in most vandalism and battery cases. In cases where restitution is a requirement, the program collects the restitution and distributes it to the victim.
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OK, this implies that the DA and the courts are on board with this "service." Expect an emphatic disavowal, of course. They just better hope that this Brox dude doesn't have anything in writing on this point, so they can toss him under the bus on this particular issue.
Independent investigation.
More from OUR PROCESS:
5. In addition to the handwriting sample, the defendant completes a psychosomatic disposition questionnaire. If it is determined that the defendant is in need of psychological counseling then the program will pay for the defendant to be seen by a local, court approved, psychologist.
10. A letter of completion accompanies the certificate of completion congratulating the defendant, also reminding the defendant that if they commit a new crime within one year the current charges may be re-filed.
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[5] So, the courts will approve appointment of a psychologist? So, the courts are in fact involved?
[10] "current charges"? WHAT "charges"? "re-filed"? Nice try. Charges are never filed to begin with. That's the whole point, the putative judicial Roto-Rooter "benefit" of this entire scam.
Mr. Brox
This is how the program works, You will have a hearing by a Nevada State Judge, At witch time you can plead Guilty or Not Guilty, Then if you plead Not Guilty you will be give an opportuity to hire Legel counsel and prepare your case for arguement before a jury of piers,If found guilty you will be required to complete the program in a correctional facility,
and any restitution will come from your assets being liquidated.
tony saprano would be proud
Thumper are you an idiot or impaired? It is you that cries racist at the blink of an eye.You do remind people of the liar Sharpton who will say and do anything to bring race into the picture and that is why a majority of people are sick of affirmative action,reperations and all of the other worn out nonesense issues pathetic people like you still rant about. There is only one race that consistently refuses to work for their rewards and demands a hand out along with the retoric of the sixties and that is your race, and it's failed causes. Now will come the insults and threats which you are known for and is part of your dialog. But you don't scare anyone you are really a fraud, a little boy with a big mouth. Now put up another site for refernce that has nothing to do with you and your stupidity.
Thumper just as you did with the Canamals Husband. You really should get a brain.
homer-this story is about what? yet you manage to bring Al sharpton, affirmative action and reparations (learn to spell) in it
who looks foolish-your words reveal your racists sentiments and your lack of logic
now back to the subject of this story
Some people actually paid $500. for this program because they were caught trespassing?
In Nevada casino security chiefs, and their officers (deputies) have the same power as any other police department. In other words, each hotel is a municipality type police department and treated as such. While the video used is deplorable, the program may not be illegal if the "perks" are only charged with crimes that normally would be tried in the local municipality. In other words, if they were arrested for something such as drunk and disorderly that normally would be trialed in your local justice court, I think its legal. This maybe a lot to do about nothing, that saved tax payers money, or the casinos may have over stepped their authority by offering deals to people that should have been incarcerated and charged on higher court. I am not a lawyer, maybe one could comment, like Cynicalobserver
@cpo -
"In Nevada casino security chiefs, and their officers (deputies) have the same power as any other police department."
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Can you document that assertion? Point to a specific NRS statute that sets forth such powers? I am really skeptical of that claim. I've been reviewing NRS, and I don't find any such authorization. Specifically, Title 14 (Criminal Procedure), Titles 20, 21 (Political Jurisdictions), Title 41 (Gaming establishments, in particular NRS 463B et seq).
I see nothing conferring law enforcement proxy authority in any of that.
Just askin'.
BobbyG
Yes they wield a enormous amount of power, more then even the Security guards working there know. This is why they can detain you with handcuffs, and throw you in a holding cell. I don't have the exact statute, and frankly would like to read it myself. I will make a effort to find it, maybe interesting reading
@cpo -
One last thought:
"In Nevada casino security chiefs, and their officers (deputies) have the same power as any other police department."
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Last time I checked, the police, after determining probable cause justifying an arrest, turn a suspect over to the judiciary (the DA and the courts) for subsequent disposition of an alleged offense. The police themselves don't get to cut end-run deals on their own with private vendors that short-circuit the full legal process, so I don't see how their putative casino proxy deppities could legally do so.
I think you're blowin' smoke here.
--Bobby G and cpo, a look at 42 U.S.C. 1983, suggest cpo, probably NOT accurate, and Bobby on point.
Multiple suits and precedents also found at:
http://www.bj21.com/advantageplay/lawand...
42 U.S.C. 1983
This statute is not a Nevada statute , and the lawsuit you site is Mississippi, This is Nevada.
Here's what I sent the Clark County Assistant DA, Criminal Division:
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"United States Justice Associates" - Kidnapping for Ransom (NRS 200.310), False Imprisonment (NRS 200.460), Extortion (NRS 205.320), and Theft (NRS 205.0832.c).
How about "Fraud" and "Conspiracy" to boot?
http://www.ktnv.com/global/Category.asp?...
I have captured every page of the USJA website, much of the text of which seems to provide abundant explicit evidence of fraudulent pretenses. I have also transcribed salient portions of the USJA video excepted by KTNV:
"Hello, I'm speaking to you on behalf of United States Justice Associates. You have been detained by this establishment for your involvement in a crime."
"At the end of this video you will be required to make a decision that could affect you for the rest of your life."
"You can choose to resolve this matter today" (text-over on video)
"You must call within 48 hours to confirm your enrollment and participation in this program. Payment arrangements must be made and completed, otherwise your case and admission of guilt will be forwarded for prosecution, resulting in a conviction and jail time."
"You current and future employer will now have access to your criminal record."
Minimally, this smacks of extortion, abetted by numerous coercively fraudulent assertions (I will soon detail every one of them on one of my blogs). The explicit inducement to businesses (e.g., casinos) to view the USJA proposition as a potentially lucrative revenue stream at the expense of their ignorant, hapless extrajudicial "collars" is equally reprehensible. I will be following developments in this case closely.
BTW, this Draskovich guy (Brox's atty) would be well-advised to not give any more media interviews. He should have been wearing chest waders during the KTNV thing.
BG
Begin forwarded message:
From: <xxxxxxx>
Date: September 19, 2009 2:19:23 PM PDT
To: Lasvegas@ic.fbi.gov
Cc: ralston@vegas.com, dgentry@klastv.com, AskDOJ@usdoj.gov, Sheriff@lvmpd.com, dainfo@ccdanv.com, aclunv@aclunv.org
Subject: This needs federal investigation
To the FBI:
See
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/sep...
This looks disturbingly like a broad, blatant conspiracy to deny petty crime suspects their constitutional rights, under severe extortive extrajudicial duress. The conspirators may in fact -- beyond our casino businesses -- have involved local law enforcement agencies and courts. You must investigate this.
@cpo -
Illuminate us with respect to the salient NRS statute, then (including supporting case law). You cannot. I'm WAY ahead of you on this.
BTW, 42 USC speaks to federal civil rights. The MS court found jurisdiction within 28 USC in addition to 42, both of which supercede any state laws.
Again, gimme the pertinent NRS.
--Bobby et al:
This MS case I cited ended in a Federal Court with the jury finding for the gaming patron in the amount of $729,000 in 2008.
28 U.S.C. 1331, 1332, 1343 and 42 U.S.C 1983
@carlJr -
Copy that. Thanks.
cpo is just flat wrong here. Let's be maximally charitable and, just for the sake of argument, STIPULATE to his assertion that, in Nevada, casino security staff are essentially proxy "cops" with the same state-granted powers. Imagine a Metro or NHP officer pulling you over for some alleged violation, and then offering you an off-the-books no-citation "diversion program" via a private company he knows of (and from whom he may get a "referral fee").
C'mon.
Bobby, look at:
CASINO SECURITY: Gambling with your Liberty.
Illegal Detentions Ignored by State @
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2...
Also:
CIVIL LIBERTIES: Disadvantaged;
Casions, police, state officials often intimidate
legal patrons:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2...
Thanks, Carl. Very interesting.
Bobby:
Also, note below, they were officers, not ex-o's when the event occurred:
Ex-officers plead innocent in casino incident
http://www.lvrj.com/news/53930632.html 08/21/2009
Suggest you exert caution in the days ahead.
Thanks and thanks again from citizens of Clark County.........
@carljr -
"Suggest you exert caution in the days ahead."
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Yeah. LOL. I don't gamble or hang in casinos, so it'd be a stretch to screw with me. And, I will not EVER be intimidated.
Good to hear on all counts, and I don't doubt it, but all that may not prevent some of the entities you've cited here to find reasons to 'find you'...
Years of experience talking...Take care.
Well interesting responses. However I guarantee you if you commit what even resembles a criminal act in a Casino, you will detained. If your trespassed from the property and return, you will be arrested by Casino security staff. You will not be let go. When metro arrives you will be arrested and cited for trespassing. Then you will have a record. If your caught stealing while working in a casino, you will be detained till gaming control shows up. There are many cases when a casino can legally detain you. These statute quoters who claim they can't, well they are just wrong. Rest assured there are many acts that casino security can arrest or "detain you". Frankly I think its really not all that bad that casinos are willing to give you a break and prevent you from getting charged with a crime, for a small fee. However felony detentions should not be given that option.
cpo, get over it. None of what you assert, even where episodically true, makes it right or ultimately legal. Abuses of power happen all the time, everywhere (and they must be challenged). Moreover, you are trying to muddy the waters with every hypothetical scenario you can think of. Just speaks to the inherent weakness of your by-now refuted observations.
"These statute quoters"
That's rich. Notable that you cannot come up with one after all this time to substantiate your allegation (that casino security staff in NV are really "police.")
One last time: Cite for me the NRS statute conferring law enforcement equivalency on casino security departments. You cannot. Face it, you're punked here.
" When metro arrives you will be arrested and cited for trespassing."
Yeah, if there's PC. That's how it's supposed to work. But that is not the Brox thing. You're really not all that bright, bro'.
Hmmm--And the casinos' licenses are not in jeopardy?
LOL, (09/22/09), sure enough, US Justice Associates has taken down their website. Too late. I've already saved all of the pages. And, thus far they've only removed the home page. I was still able to get at all of the others. I'm sure they'll delete the rest soon, but I have captured the "evidence" pertaining to this scam.