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A party in disarray
Republicans let the crackpots run the show and drag down the national debate
Monday, Sept. 14, 2009 | 2:07 a.m.
When Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., yelled, “You lie!” during President Barack Obama’s speech to Congress last week, he put a face on the Republican Party’s problem.
The crackpots run the show.
In a story Thursday, Politico reported on how the extremists and conspiracy theorists have taken over the GOP, noting some painful examples:
• Sarah Palin, the former vice presidential candidate, falsely claimed that the president’s health care plan would set up “death panels” to decide when senior citizens die.
• Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., accused Obama of trying to turn the nation into a “totalitarian state” and installing “Nazi” policies.
• Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, fanned the conspiracy flames regarding the ridiculous accusation that Obama was born in Kenya by telling a fellow birther, “I agree with you, but the courts don’t.”
“Neither party has an exclusive on wack jobs,” Republican media consultant Mark McKinnon told Politico. “Unfortunately, right now the Democrats generally get defined by President Obama, and Republicans, who have no clear leadership, get defined by crackpots.”
This would be laughable if people weren’t taking them seriously. For example, conservatives were whipped into a frenzy because the president planned to talk directly to schoolchildren in a nationally broadcast speech. Republicans fretted that he was trying to “indoctrinate” young students with his “socialist” agenda, and many parents pledged to keep their children out of school. The children missed an inspiring speech in which the president encouraged students to work hard in school, listen to their teachers and obey their parents.
The crackpots have not only become the ideological engine of the Republican Party, but they are also dragging down the debate in Washington on major issues.
How does Congress overhaul the nation’s health care system when Republicans are talking about “death panels” and other outright lies?
Republican leaders in Congress should repudiate these outrageous ideas and either honestly engage in the debate or get out of the way. Health care reform is too serious an issue to be derailed by a party of people wearing tinfoil hats.
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The LV Sun says "This would be laughable if people weren't taking them seriously."
It is serious because we are on the right side of the issue.
President Obama is calling a majority of American position "A Lie, plain and simple" because we do not believe Obama or trust Obama'
I cannot remember anything that Obama said about healthcare. What I remember is his snarling smack down of his opposition.
He also used the address to very publicly rebuke those who do not trust him or believe him.
Obama in his address to the nation call opposition positions (Harry called them evilmonger and Nancy called them un-American) on 5 issues "a lie, plain and simple"
Remember when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called President George W. Bush a liar.
At a campaign rally on 9-12-2009, in Minnesota Obama said "They can't stop us!"
John Podesta said, In the coming weeks, the president and the extensive resources he commands will be used to lavish attention on two groups: Democratic lawmakers and middle-class Americans who are anxious about how the cost of extending coverage to tens of millions of the uninsured will affect their own health insurance and finances. "You have assets you can deploy to make the case and bump up individual members" of Congress, said Podesta. Mean while ACORN, SEIU, Community for Change, and Organizing for America are also using taxpayer money and selling Obamacare.
Sunday The White House had a message to the tens of thousands of protesters who railed against big government during a rally in Washington Saturday 9-12-2009: You're wrong.
White House senior adviser David Axelrod said Sunday that the protesters, part of the "tea party" movement, do not represent the views of the public when it comes to health care reform. Axelrod said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "You know, My message to them is, they're wrong."
Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are tone deaf. They do not resond to our phone calls, e-mails, townhalls, or rallies. They refuse to listen to us because we are liars to them, because we do not believe them or trust them.
lets not forget the pathetic republicans in our own state...
johnnie boy i slept with my best friend's wife, then fired them both when i got caught, then ran to mommy and daddy to fix my boo boo ensign...
jimmie no one from either party has on ounce of respect for me monkey boy gibbons...
david the hepatitis criminals must laugh out loud at me all day every day because i am a complete and total failure of a district attorney roger...
and on and on and on...
who the hell would want to be a pathetic republican these days!!!
"It is serious because we are on the right side of the issue."
You're not on the right side, you're in the minority.
"President Obama is calling a majority of American position "A Lie, plain and simple" because we do not believe Obama or trust Obama."
Future, you're demonstrating EXACTLY what Obama was talking about when he called people like you "cynical and irresponsible." His full quote is here:
"Some of people's concerns have grown out of bogus claims spread by those whose only agenda is to kill reform at any cost. The best example is the claim, made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple."
"I cannot remember anything that Obama said about healthcare."
Yes, it's obvious from your rhetoric that you weren't paying attention.
"What I remember is his snarling smack down of his opposition."
SNARLING SMACK DOWN? Well then, your victim card is laid out plain, for everyone to see!
"Mean while ACORN, SEIU, Community for Change, and Organizing for America are also using taxpayer money and selling Obamacare."
That's an outlandish claim that you fail to substantiate.
"They refuse to listen to us because we are liars to them, because we do not believe them or trust them."
Oh boo hoo! You lost the election, Future. The ideas of the republican party were soundly defeated by those of the Democrats. Americans spoke out with votes, cash, and volunteer work to put your party in the minority in Congress. Now you're crying because they don't want to adopt your failed ideas? The republican party's failed ideas that the American people rejected by tens of millions of votes!
Cry me a river, Future.
The Republican Party never really had Leaders, they had Figureheads. I.E. President Eisenhower & Reagan...Now their current figureheads make Dan Quayle look like a genius.
The Sun and other limousine Liberals are going to be sorely disappointed. They will lose this government health-takeover scheme, and I will laugh, laugh, laugh.
I'm sure some version of the Ted Kennedy Memorial Watered-Down Free-Skittles-for-Everybody Health Takeover Act of 2009 will be passed. The Democrats have no choice. But it won't contain a public option or anything else the far-left leeches of this country have their hearts set on. Too bad.
One tip to Obama: When they have the bill-signing in the Rose Garden, you can't just vote "Present." You have to actually sign the bill.
Charlie Rangle pay his taxes yet? Oh, its okay, he wants to raise everyone elses.
Libs, like the Sun, can't and will not talk about the substance. They have to personally attack the opponents.
That is the only arrow in their bag.
Their substance is like sand and can't be defended.
At least the Sun did not play the obnoxious race card.
Wasn't Obama calling everyone a liar in his speech? Didn't he attack Sarah Palin and the anyone else that found fault with the "plan" he was pushing the House to vote on before the recess?
Why is it OK for the President to call everyone a liar over and over in every speech but when he states something that is totally UNTRUE it's a sin to call him out?
We elected a President, we did not elevate Royalty. Obama's skin has been too thin from the start. Everything is off limits with this guy and it is time for him to get over it.
"Why is it OK for the President to call everyone a liar over and over in every speech but when he states something that is totally UNTRUE it's a sin to call him out?"
Ahem...from the rules of procedure of the United States House of Representatives, adopted in 1909:
"Members should comport themselves with the rules of decorum and debate in the House and in Committees specifically with regard to references to the President of the United States as stated in Section 370 of the House Rules and Manual...
...it has been held that a member could not call the President a 'liar.'"
Congressman Wilson breached the rules of decorum of the House because he called the President a liar ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE WHILE IT WAS IN SESSION. That alone is ground for a motion to censure him.
Had he gone and held a press conference and called the President a liar, there would be less of an uproar.
Not to mention: if a Democratic representative called President Bush a liar, you'd want their head on a platter.
Double standard, thy name is Republican.
The Las Vegas Sun editorials can be summed up succinctly:
Republicans - very, very bad
Democrats - very, very good
Thus, the editorial page of the Sun makes excellent toilet paper.
Common political tactics -- ridicule what you can't deny, associate your opposition with ever more radical/farcical positions to alienate moderates & independents. Note how the Sun links Palin's "death panel" comments with Nazi's and birthers -- and yet the suspect provision that Palin commented on was unceremoniously dropped from (at least some of) the draft legislation. She couldn't have been too far off the mark if it was that quickly dropped.
As to the President's speech to the children, had they released the text of the speech and not the DoE's "Dear Leader" study guide, most of the controversy could have been avoided. As it is, it's still less controversial than the Dem's reaction to Bush I's speech.
And the Dem's are lying when it comes to funding illegals & abortion. They know that unless specifically prohibited, the courts will allow it the first time it goes to court. Anything less than specifically prohibiting is the same as permitting, and they know it. Notice how quickly the Senate is now, after Wilson's outburst, addressing the issue of illegals being provided healthcare?
Congress & the Prez need to act NOW on real, substantive regulatory reform, without creating ever more programs & bureacracies. If there's waste now -- find it & eliminate it! Act on immigration reform to reduce the numbers of uninsured overwhelming the system. Implement an individual tax deduction for health insurance to encourage Americans to obtain insurance. Tort reform. Provide better oversight of the industry and implement reforms that discourage predatory/abusive practices and incentivize preventive care. There's a whole host of things they could do with the regulatory structure that would not increase the tax burden or bureaucracy while simultaneously containing costs.
"Democrats have long attempted to corral many different special-interest groups under one massive tent. Unfortunately for party leaders, such a policy is not sustainable in the long run: Eventually, special interests -- all promised special privileges over others -- must clash.
A primary case in point is the powerful and influential teacher unions and their protracted battle against concerned parents. The unions, mostly white, are at loggerheads with a growing number of concerned minority and low-income parents -- the bread and butter of Democrats' feel-good policies for decades."
http://npri.org/publications/school-figh...
thus the phrase...
stupid pathetic republican pukes!!!
Pew Research: public trust of media reaches a 20-year low. Is anyone surprised? These are the stillborn eggs that birdie is trying to hatch and keep his roids under control at the same time.
Hey Pat,
If I wanted to read your continuing anti-education ranting and raving, I'd go to the evil
NPRI in the first place.
It is silly for you to link here to your own slanted, paid-for-by-Addlepated-nitwit-sheldon
fiction.
hey patrick r gibbons...
how many different ways are there for a think tank to lose it's tax status???
'Members should comport themselves with the rules of decorum and debate in the House and in Committees specifically with regard to references to the President of the United States as stated in Section 370 of the House Rules and Manual..."
Yes, if they are going to censure Joe then they need to censure the 100 or so Democrats that booed during Bush's State of Union speeches.
Ooooops....did I accidently point out a big bucket of hypocrispy from the left?????
"Yes, if they are going to censure Joe then they need to censure the 100 or so Democrats that booed during Bush's State of Union speeches."
Booing is not considered a "reference", nor is derisive applause (and I heard plenty of that on Wednesday too) - that's been common since Presidents started addressing Congress in person.
There is a list under section 370 of the rules as to what is considered improper and inappopriate references to the President. I suggest you read it.
Rock-Nance, let's see...when you hang out in a group that shouts racist epitaphs, waving racially motivated signage, and calling an American-born president a Muslim as if it's an insult...sorry pal, but the whole group gets branded the same. Racists.
Birds of a feather. You own your rep, and only you can change that. Don't like being called a racist? Perhaps you might want to consider distancing yourself from your fellow republicans that clearly are. It's a real simple concept.
But rather than distancing themselves from the racist nutters, the decent republicans have decided it's more important to cheer them on and justify their actions and award them the 'American Patriot' label. Just like you do every day on this website, Nance. Just like Fox does every day. Just like Rush and Savage do every day. Why? Probably because the racist nutters make up a majority of the republican party now, and you must play to your base. But don't worry, I would never expect you to man up and admit that.
Don't like being called a racist? Man up, grow up, and start giving people a reason not to.
JahReb says... Racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist, racist and racist. That's right you used racist eight times in one post.
I guess if you have different political views then the President, YOU ARE A RACIST!!!
"I guess if you have different political views then the President, YOU ARE A RACIST!!!"
As opposed to being called "traitors" and "UnAmerican" when we had different political views than President Bush?
Pot, meet kettle. I'm sure you know each other very well.
I don't think you can go much lower then using the word "racist" without good reason.
Poor Larry.
It's amazing how the lies continue - and they come from the President plus the Liberal Media. Most estimates say that about 13,000,000 illegal immigrants are here. The party line is that 46,000,000 are uninsured. That leaves 33,000,000 to be covered by Obamas's plan (whatever his plan is, none of us know, do we?). Until he starts using the correct numbers, there is reason to be upset with him and for reasonable citizens to think that he is trying to put one over on us again.
Obama should put his plan on paper and distribute to to the populace. Until then, the lack of respect will continue. So urge him to get to it, present us a plan, and quit trying to talk his way through all issues. That will settle some of the issues for now.
Well, Larry, I'm going to use the word racist, and I do believe I have good reason.
Here's a local example. Go to:
http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/59169107.htm...
It's Sherman Frederick's column from yesterday's RJ. Scroll down to a comment posted at 7:12 p.m. yesterday from someone calling himself "Peteyk." In it he uses a racial epithet to refer to the President of the United States.
Peteyk is obviously a racist. What is worse, however, is that nobody from the RJ has seen fit to remove that post from the web site, despite my having lodged a number of complaints about it, the first of which was at 8:59 p.m. last night.
The editors of that paper can't say they're unaware of the problem. I've told them. More than once. Their own comment policy states, "We hold the right to remove any comments that take on a personal nature or that we deem to be bigoted, hateful, or racially offensive."
So why haven't they removed this one?
Would you like to propose an alternative explanation that doesn't include the word "racism"?
"The party line is that 46,000,000 are uninsured. That leaves 33,000,000 to be covered by Obamas's plan."
BZZT! Wrong again!
The 46,000,000 number is AMERICAN CITIZENS that are uninsured. Not illegals; Americans. And that number comes from the United States Census Bureau based upon 2007 statistics.
Unless you're going to say that the census started counting illegal immigrants...
Constitution had to be passed to permit Prohibition.
By what authority does the Federal Government presume to take on "Universal Health Care" without first passing an Amendment? Providing or regulating health care is not one of the 11 enumerated powers of the Federal Government listed under general welfare!
And what authority does the Federal Government have to require citizens to purchase a health care policy? If we the people allow this, what will be the definition of disposable income? What segment of the economy will demand government make us buy their product next?
Unemployment is 10% or higher and there is no free lunch. I challenge Washington to bring back and keep good jobs in the USA and there will be no uninsured problem! If they fail I am for Cap and Trade: hand the politicians there caps and trade them in for new ones!
JohnF. Yes there are people who are bigoted, hateful, or racially offensive." Racism has been around all my life, and will probably be around long after I am gone. But I don't think you can go much lower then using the word "racist" without good reason.
My point is just because if one has a different political view then the President, IT DOES NOT MAKE A RACIST!!!
I think the Sun should use the word laughable more often
The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.
Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.
With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"
Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."
Isn't this just interesting, democrat party? should we see how much Obamas speech cost?
DouglasDemocrat -
You are ignorant of the facts. Illegals ARE included in the census statistics. Of the 46.2 million people without insurance, at least 9.5 million were not citizens. The 9.5 million includes foreign students, legal and illegal immigrants. And since the survey is subject to falsification, it is generally thought that the illegal portion of the 46.2 million people without insurance is around 10-15 million. Which explains why Obama used the 30 million figure (which excludes illegals).
"when you hang out in a group that shouts racist epitaphs, waving racially motivated signage"
Stop talking about Obama's old church and his spiritual mentor.
Yes, they often shouted racist epitaphs and passed out racially motivated pamphlets.
But heck...Obama has been beaten up enough about that.
He has renounced that racism and we should accept that.
"He has renounced that racism and we should accept that."
But you don't accept it, because you keep bringing it back up. Hypocrite.
I, for one, am pleased with the teabaggers and their embracing of the racist elements of the republican party. The more their racism is publicized, the more the moderates will realize how repugnant and opportunistic the republican party has become.
In fact, in another comment thread on this website, someone asked, "Is Barry's ride going to have high speed spinners on it?" Larry and SgtRock, err, jfNance32, err James F Nance get upset when we call them out on the racism evident in their party but they do nothing to temper that racism. They don't act against it.
They seemingly condone it.
Obama has relasped into racism, though.
We should keep the pressure up on him.
He automatically called that white cop a racist while all the cop was doing was doing his duty.
Obama....when will you learn.
Stop being a racist.
ksand99: It sounds like you are really pleased with yourself when use the words "racism" and "teabaggers." It shows a complete lack of intelligence and compassion. You fit in well with those who you worship...
Does it surprise anyone that Leftists (I almost said Democrats) lie with a straight face to achieve their ends? Its part of the creed.
Obama is the ultimate fool.
How long would this newspaper stay in business without the RJ?
Briam...?
This is easy - Let ACORN run the health care system.
And The Sun says Republicans are letting the crackpots run the show.
Here's the solution: Limit all U.S. politicians to two terms - one in office and one in prison. This seems to be working well in Illinois.
"He automatically called that white cop a racist..."
That is a lie. I repeat. That is a lie.
Sgt. Rock,
I will sign my house over to you if you can show me where President Obama called James Crowley a racist. Why don't you bet me your house he did?
OK.....all he did was say he had no clue what happend then talked and talked and talked about white cops being racist.
Yep......no big bright connect the dots there.
That's all the republicans and their enablers have got: racism and lies. SgtRock, err James F Nance, err, jfNance32 lied, yet again, about what Obama said.
More condoning from the immoral liars like jfNance32, err, SgtRock, err, James F Nance Jr.
ksand99 you are just a barrel of laughs.
You are the one who threw the first racist stone.
You should not throw racists stones when your hero, Obama, lived for decades in middle a black racism house.
The cops in the country clearly heard Obama words and so did Crowley who was greatly offended by Obama words.
Of course, you reserved to yourself to say that a sign that calls Obama a liar to racism and yet close your hears to Obama own racist comments when referring to white cops.
Some people just can't be helped.
"He has renounced that racism and we should accept that."
"You should not throw racists [sic] stones when your hero, Obama, lived for decades in[sic] middle [sic] a black racism[?] house."
You are angry jfNance32, err, SgtRock. You aren't making any sense. I thought you said "we should accept that." I guess you were lying there, too.
"The cops in the country clearly heard Obama words and so did Crowley who was greatly offended by Obama words."
That's not what you said, though, was it? You said Obama called the cops racist. He didn't. You agreed he didn't. You admitted you lied. Again.
Stop condoning the racism, jfNance32, err, SgtRock, err, James F Nance, Jr.
go read Obamas books and then tell me he's not racist. A guy will say anything or denounce just about anything--whatever it takes to get where he needs to go. I already connected the dots.
ksand99 logic.....
Protestor: "Obama is a liar" Ksand99: The protestor is a racist.
Reporter: How do you feel about the cop arresting the Havard professor? Obama: "I dunno what happened but white cops are racist profilers. White cops are so full of racism that they do things like this. We need to fix those racist white cops". Ksand99: Obama was just babbling about white cops being racist. It had absolutely nothing to with the cop. He was going to talk about white racist cops anyway. It was just dump luck that he answer the question about the cop and then started to talk on and on and on and on about white racist cops. The two had nothing to do with each other. BTW, ksand99 lives in a constant dream world.
The American public won't forget that the Democrats are a bunch of leftwing cuckoo birds, and that the conservatives in the country are Christian worshipping defenders of the Constitution as it was written. It's that simple, and complex at the same time.
"Harry Reid called George Bush a liar. We are still waiting for the apology...."
1) Senate rules are not the same as House rules - Rep. Wilson violated Section 370 of the House rules, while there is no parallel provision in the Senate rules.
2) Senator Reid was not in the chamber when he made that statement, so even if there were such a Senate rule he would not have broken it.
3) Thank you for proving my point. You want an apology from Senator Reid because you liked President Bush, but Rep. Wilson's behavior was A-OK because you don't like President Obama. Double standard.
The Democrats just can't stand the fact that they've brought the Republican Party back to life.
What happened to all those stories from three months ago about the Republican Party being dead and disorganized and (as the Sun headline here says) in "disarray."
Wait. Is this the same Repub party the Dems now claim was able to organize dissent at every little town hall meeting in the U.S? Or the Repub party that is somehow able to singlehandedly block Obama's agenda?
Right, I guess the Repubs must have paid all those blue-haired grannies and soccer moms to show up with their signs at the towns halls. The only ones who looked "hired" to me were the union thugs manning the doors.
Dems, you can't have it both ways. In your warped world, the Repubs are either totally impotent or all-powerful evil geniuses. Which is it? I guess it depends on which way you need to steer the Liberal sheep on any given day.
DouglasDemocrat.....they were not operating under the standard rules of the House.
Also, there is plenty of tape of Democrats calling Bush a liar on the House floor when the House is in regular session.
What????? No censure for them......here is another bucket of hypocrispy to go with those fries.
"DouglasDemocrat.....they were not operating under the standard rules of the House."
The Parlimentarian for the House of Representatives says that the body has "wide discretion" in determining if the rules shall apply during other than formal session.
"Also, there is plenty of tape of Democrats calling Bush a liar on the House floor when the House is in regular session."
Links, then. If it exists, then it's somewhere on the Internet. Links or I call this another load of horse apples.
Hey Angry... It's "Tea Party" not "tea bagger" unless you just can't get along without using obscenity in your posts.
LarryVegas - for some, such as yourself, it is political differences... for others, it is racism and prejudice. The fact that most conservatives don't condemn it when it is apparent, is disheartening. There are certain people on this board, and I don't really have to name names, who may not think they are racist (because they don't use the n-word in public), but most definitely are.
Ah, Rock...I found it (I was bored, and figured I might as well look). You must mean Rep. Pete Stark of California, who called Bush a liar in 2007.
Funny thing - the Republicans motioned for cenusure against Rep. Stark (knowing the motion would not pass), the motion died...but Stark still went down into the well and apologized both to the entire chamber as well as President Bush after being publicly rebuked by Speaker Pelosi for being out-of-line.
Glad to see the wingnuts out in force posting their babble.
Just confirming the views of the majority that they are crazies and mentally unstable.
So by the dem standard its ok to call the president a liar so long as you're not in the House. I'm not in the house so- OBAMA IS A LIAR.He is a racist and his true self slipped out with the cop thing and he immediately backpeddled. He will continue to slip up because a fraud can't keep up the goody front for long. I think Pelosi was in the House when she called the CIA liars, and Bush a liar and a murderer. I bet the Dems have a law that says thats ok as long as its a woman with brown hair. Kind of like the law they passed to prohibit M.Romney from filling his seat when he ran for pres. AND THEN wanted to change it back when they wanted to fill Kennedys seat so they could get the votes. I'm sure dems will have a reason why thats ok though.
The health care bill will pass and the talk radio crackpots, birthers, birchers, bigots and blowhards will throw their temper tantrums.
Then they will go sign up, like they do for medicare and social security.
Evidently Joe Wilson did not lie but Obama did. Didn't he realize that Pelosi told the press that illegals would be covered? Perhaps it would be better to say that Obama 'acted stupidly.' Until Wilson said what he said, people just assumed that if it didn't say that illegals would get coverage it meant that they wouldn't. However, the Supreme Court has ruled that unless a bill specifically denies a right it is assumed to give the right. Now, the Senate bill will specifically ban illegals. That doesn't mean it won't be in the final bill though with the bills being reconciled.
"A party in disarray?"
The party quickly turned into "disarray" when the pump broke off the cold keg of Heineken.
"A party in disarray."
I was there and saw it.
; )
"I think Pelosi was in the House when she called the CIA liars, and Bush a liar and a murderer."
If she wasn't on the floor of the chamber when it was in session, she can say whatever she wants. So can you. So could Rep. Wilson or any other Republican.
And I highly, HIGHLY doubt Speaker Pelosi called President Bush a murderer. Had she done that, the walls would still be reverberating with outrage.
Harley,
That ugly incident with the keg tapper led a Diplomat at Heineken Headquarters to come up with the "Keg In A Can" with a Pop Top.
I thought the guy deserved a Nobel Prize.
I openly wept.
DouglasD, so what you are saying is its all fine and good for the dems to deface the repubs, you have consistantly defended the legal aspect of approval. There should have been an apology for his disrespect to the admin. in office at the time. This current admin is demanding respect, and as much as threatened" I will call you on it" for any negative press.Reid and Pelosi, both should have been repremanded for their disrespect regardless of their views. Their comments should have been kept behind closed doors and not publicized. They will never walk the high road of class.They have none.
They hold a position of stature and they should behave as such. Regardless whether I would agree or not with everything Bush did, I could never hold either of those two in any regard other than egotistical, lying, power hungry, low class politicians, that need to be removed from office.