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twitterVigils held in support of health care reform, public option
More than 300 rallies planned nationwide by MoveOn.org
Mona Shield Payne / Special to the Sun
People in Boulder City chant in unison, “We want reform now” during a candlelight vigil sponsored by MoveOn.org in support of health care reform.
Thursday, Sept. 3, 2009 | 2:05 a.m.
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About 40 people gathered on a dirt lot in downtown Boulder City Wednesday night to show support for health care reform.
The vigil was one of more than 300 planned as part of a nationwide effort by the liberal advocacy group MoveOn.org. A second vigil was held at the same time in front of University Medical Center in Las Vegas.
Those who had gathered in Boulder City carried candles and signs and told stories that illustrated the ways they see the current health care system failing.
Dina Wawers said she suffered a spinal injury two years ago in a fall and is no longer able to work. For the past two years, she has tried to get onto Social Security disability and has been denied. She is appealing but, in the meantime, she has no health insurance, she said.
Not everyone was in agreement on the issue.
The vigil drew one vocal critic who shouted an expletive-laced commentary from the window of his SUV.
“Pay your own bills,” he yelled, calling the group “parasites.”
“I knew that was going to happen,” Wawers said.
Speech and language pathologist Valerie McNay told the group she has good health insurance through the Clark County School District, but she thinks the money it costs could be better spent on educating children.
In addition, she said, her family is having difficulty getting a health insurer to pay on a long-term care policy her mother has had since 1994 now that her mother has dementia and needs in-home care.
In addition, McNay said, her mother has to continue to pay the $3,800 annual premiums on the policy.
“Something has to change,” she said. “We need health insurance reform now.”
Nicola Collins captured all of the stories on video to send to the national group. Collins may also put together a show for local cable on BCTV, vigil organizer Barbara Polk said.
The purpose of the vigil was to show support for the health insurance public option proposed by President Barack Obama, Polk said.
“Everyone is just one incident away from losing their livelihood or life,” said Cassie Rice, a Henderson business owner.
Ian Smith, who identified himself as a firefighter and emergency medical technician for eight years, said he recalled patients refusing care because they were afraid of the hospital bills or that insurance would not cover their care.
After being laid off from a previous job, he said, he cannot get health coverage because of a pre-existing condition. That has left him and his five children without coverage, he said.
After a half-hour of stories, Polk urged those gathered to call their senators and representatives in Congress to support the public option.
She said she was pleased with the turnout.
“I would have been pleased if it had been three, but that we got 40 was pretty good,” she said. “It should have been 100 times that, but we’ll take it.”
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Forgive them for they no what they do! The government can not run anything efficiently as this has been proven over and over. Move-on.org is nothing more than a radical Left-Wing organization that does not represent the people of Nevada or has our best interest in mind. Harry Reid, I'm sure, probably has a "warm fuzzy" with this organization but we don't. Harry Reid and Government-run Health Care, we Do Not want either of these two poor options!
These organized groups are just "evil mongers," right Harry? They're trying to stifle health-care debate by being so insistent!
Oh wait, I guess it's OK when the outside groups are left-wing, right?
Boo-hoo.
Cue birdie in 3 ... 2 ... 1
Where did they get those professionally printed signs and who paid for them?
Wow!!! 40. Now that's impressive.
You know that those people will get only the best in news coverage: Now that the liberals have taken to the streets you can count on ABC. CBS. NBC. CNN. MSNBC. PBS. NPR. To call them brave people fighting for America. (PATRIOTS YES PATRIOTS) LET THE LEFT WING REPORTING BEGIN! PS. DON'T SAY NOTHING BAD OR YOUR A HATER. OMG. SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE BROUGHT THERE KIDS WITH THEM TOO. LOL
Wow! There are still people that want the Government to have MORE power over us, take more of our hard earned money and run yet another business into the ground. Look at the facts people. First....we are suppose to trust our leaders to make the right choice for Americans and they have LIED about what is in the bill (read it yourself) Our leaders will not have to use the same health care WE do. WHY? I Do not trust Congress to make my LIFE choices and I do NOT want Government to have anymore control of my life or my children's life's or my grandchildren ect!!!!!!!
OMG, to the people above - turn off AM talk radio already. Glenn Beck et al are fear mongerers, and you are all beginning to sound frighteningly like Beck's foot soldiers in the war on logical, informed thought.
A "for profit" health care system cannot work in a global economy!
spocanon,
That was 40 in Boulder City and hundreds in front of UMC. I will, unlike the screamers on radio, try to not inflate the number. The tea baggers went from several hundred to 1500 to 2000 in the space of less than a minute on KXNT, thus illustrating nicely why the ranting hosts of right wing shouting can not be trusted to give facts.
Moveon sponsored the signs. Who is Moveon? I am Moveon. I give $$ to get those signs printed. It is incredible, the Neo-Cons defend their right to talk but when the other side begins to talk, they drive their SUV and scream. this is bigger than the shortsighted goals of some. Look at the pictures. You don't see any illegals. You don't see poor people. This legislation will help the people who WORK! It is not a gift. It is what is right. We give billions to everyone else but we can't provide it to our own citizens? Wake up!
Yes!!! Glad to see this campaign. 70% of the American people want the public option, but they are scared of the government after George W. Bush mismanaged it for 8 years. Republicans are outraged by stuff that doesn't exist, like death panels and kenyan birth certificates... the tea party crowd is the free lunch crowd. They want Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security AND a strong defense, all the big ticket items in federal budget, but they don't want to pay for it. Hell, no! Fox told them they could have it ALL for free. That settles it! They believe it. There's no bipartisanship to be had, Mr. President, with people hallucinating about pulling the plug on grandma. Democrats, please deliver, or you'll be run over by Glenn Beck and the GOP, the party of wackos. Stand up and fight for the Public Option now!
The neo-con agenda of punishing America continues.
Playing the Rolling Passion Game will help everybody stay healthy.
"70% of the American people want the public option"
Appears that this number was pulled out of thin air. Or perhaps MoveOn talking points? No difference.
Move On is a political organization heavily funded by George Soros, who is an international speculator/investor. He donated many millions of dollars to get Obama elected so he can make billions of dollars. Several years ago his currency speculation in pounds almost caused the Bank of England to colapse. He made several billion in that. He is the largest stockholder of PetroBraz, the Brazilian Oil Company. They have discovered one of the largest pools of oil in the world off the coast of Brazil. It is estimated to be worth several hundred billion dollars. Recently but very quietly the United States gave Brazil two billion dollars to aid in the development of this offshore oil field.
Soros is invested very heavily in foreign currency because he knows that Obama will soon destroy the value of the dollar and Soros will then be able to purchase US assets very cheaply.
Since Obama's election he has been short selling US real estate because he knows that the value is dropping. Soros reportedly has make almost a billion dollars from this activity alone.
Soros used Obama as a stooge to make billions of dollars but nothing Soros does will benefit the average American. He is just a slimy greedbag. That is what is behind Moveon.org. A fine all American organization.
If it's Moveon.org the Soros clone you know it's against the USA. Moveon.org is as far as you can go to the left without falling off of the end of the world. Those are fine looking robots in the photo as in "We are programed to receive in Hotel Moveon.org.
Nice to see "the usual suspects" yelling and screaming here again. What, did Shermy throw another temper tantrum at The R-J? Is he mad that progressives don't have bus in a bunch of astroturfing "protesters" to make a statement? I fund MoveOn. Other regular working people fund MoveOn. We don't have the kind of money that the HMOs and Big Pharma have, but at least we know how to use our voices without resorting to violence.
desertsun: first of all, the private sector has done such an amazing job over the past several years with efficiency, right? Have you been living in a box. It's corruption and greed that rule our economy. If I'm not mistaken, there are less people covered than ever, more people have been dropped for pre-existing conditions(do you have a pre-xisting condition?). But, profits have skyrocketed(ten fold) for the largest health care providers. That's efficiency? Do you research or just listen to your programming? Look at who funded the Tea Party please? Both sides have people who have something to gain. The bottom line is health care needs reform whether your programmers want to believe it or not. I say for all you opposed to reform, we make decisions, on your life, based upon profit.The reason people are losing insurance is the employers can no longer afford it. It will be just like auto insurace, accident forgiveness. You know, I was offered(as an insured individual) cancer insurance from my insurance company. Why would I need that if the system was working properly? Let me guess you're a over weight smoker who doesn't exercise and drinks. Your laziness is causing my insurance to be more expensive. You're dropped!!!
Notice all the people in the photo have their mouths open. They're like little baby birdies waiting for the man just off camera shooting Kool-Aid into everyone's mouth.
I am glad to see "Moveon" officially get involved in the health care debate. That in itself will bring the final doom to HR-3200.
Why are so many of them fat?
Why would the Sun put a picture like this in the paper? It is a computer generated picture. This is really a picture of people singing Christmas Carols last year. The signs are all computer generated. Do you see that little kid in front? that pic was lifted from a school photo of kids in school. What a joke. Adolf Hitler did the same thing in the 30's.
40 people show up and that's a big deal? That's a very pathetic number and I would be ashamed if I were a liberal to have such a small amount of people there. Pitiful.
and now the government brainwashed obama group comes out and publicly starts to protest...uniformed indeeed..
oh yes, what is obama's plan...all i have heard from him is lip service and nothing substantial...they are fighting over a bill that is 1000 plus pages long and obama does not claim that bill, nor does he know what is in that bill....he is waiting for the other bills...so all the info that he has given is erroneous...wow!! maybe he should know what he is talking about before he gets the organized idiots to march...
social security is bankrupt. medicare is bankrupt. the post office is bankrupt. and now you want them to have a public option and run the healthcare in america...that will be bankrupt real quick!
for all of you seniors you should make sure of what you want by reading the bill and studying canada and the united kingdom for their failures in healthcare...you could be the one that has to wait a year or two for life-saving procedures and by then you are dead!!!!
think about it!!!!
Boulder City Population approximately 15,005. Las Vegas Population 1,865,746.
for you folks that have problems with Math, I'll help you out.
40/15,005 = 0.2% attendance
200/1,865,756 = 0.01% attendance
The little Boulder City vigil was more succesfull than the Republicans tea party bus tour and the Democrats vigil in front of UMC.
Look! A group of adults who are acting like adults. Fancy that!
Compare them to the loons with the Tea Party Express in Ely: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnDQHj_sI...
Hold the phone, Jerry... Why do you label the tea party bus tour as Republican? Maybe you should label them as conservatives. I am an independent voter and consider myself as a conservative liberal or a liberal conservative.
Expand Medicare and open it up to any US citizen or legal resident (provided they file their taxes AND obtain a Real ID at the local DMV).
Triple the Medicare tax (2/3 refundable if you file with proof of insurance).
Increase alcohol & tobacco taxes, impose a processed food tax (you will pay more for your lifestyle choices.)
Limit punitive damages (tort reform).
Add a $2400 annual deductible to Medicare ($0 deductible for children). Annual wellness checks & immunizations are free. After $2400 it's all free.
Specifically prohibit funding for abortions, euthanasia, assisted suicide, and cosmetic surgery.
Use tax incentives to increase the number of medical providers, especially those that service Medicare recipients.
Why are they singing "Silent Night?"
I would like to nominate NLV-Indep13 as the new Speaker of the House.
He has a plan that will work...
Revise the existing system, don't throw it out.
For anyone who doubts the authenticity of the photo, I was there, and this photo was shot at the event. At this moment, they were chanting a slogan, "Health Care Now" for the benefit of the videocamera that is mentioned in the story.
Thank you all for your passionate remarks.
edgewise, that video brought tears to my eyes.
LMFAO.
mikegino, is THAT the FAT you were talking about? Talk about folks that drain the health care system. Ely (like most of USA) needs a big-time intervention via the Diet Doc.
JerryWayne, thanks for the perspective.
p.s.
I FINALLY found a MINORITY in a picture of the
FOXNEWS/PACDOUGH Tour of Deception; And ironically,
it was the hired help.
Edge, that was an awesome video.
Edge, funniest video I have seen since the last Obamathon press conference.
Wasn't that desecration of the American Flag???
America wants choices. Republicans are anti choice. Once again republicans only help the top 2%
Healthcare reform MUST include public OPTION
If Republicans are anti-choice then Democrats are no choice. Wise up, dump both of them...
Healthcare reform MUST include TORT REFORM, but it can contain a public option but no single payer system...
Are these the jobs Oblame promised? MoveOn-down-the-road paid supporters.
Uh, Jean REID Norman (staff) that wouldn't be...nah couldn't be.
Hey Libs, where are the people of color in the photo? Looks exclusionary to me...but what do I know.
Really??? Your not telling me that Jean Reid Norman, the writer of this article, is related to Harry are you? It just can't be... Someone tell me it isn't true...
Those of use who consider ourselves conservative should have the self-respect to look out after our own interests and join this fight for health care reform. The insurance companies are perpetrating fraud on us by not insuring people who need it and dropping people who make claims. Reform is going to stop their cheating and mismanagement and save you money on your healthcare. The insurance companies are rationing healthcare as it is. I personally know people who have been screwed over by the insurance companies, made to wait, denied coverage and dropped. Read for yourself what the "liberals" are saying because they are regular people like us trying to fix something that needs fixing. Remember that big money insurance interests are taking advantage of us to try to get us against this and keep obscene amounts of money in their pockets. If you don't think the government can administer anything correctly, stop driving on the public roads, going to public universities, getting public mail service and being defended by public fire, police and military forces. Stop shouting and think. Life is not a high school football game and trash talk is not improving anything. I am a proud American conservative and I believe our society should provide for "We, the people" and not only the big corporations.
I don't doubt the authenticity of the photos but the people in them look like real losers. Boulder City made a bad mistake when they allowed all the trailer parks that they have in the city. They attracts the kind of people seen in the photos which greatly diminishes the property values.
Hey JoeinBC... Does BC mean that you live in British Columbia? Good place, I like that Vancouver/White Rock area.
I am not aware of a "fight for health care reform."
I am aware of a fight to keep the government from replacing our entire health care system with a government ran health care system per HR-3200.
sorry LarryVegas, Republican may have been the wrong term.
Amtrak, USPS, Social Security, all are govt ran programs that LOSE money. I don't see how turning the health care system over to the govt is in America's best interest. We need Term limits, Flat tax, and a Balanced Budget amendment.
Great to see this in Boulder. At least some people aren't dumb enough to be browbeaten out of improved health care for lower cost!
lookie lookie at our retarded republican friends...
they staged the best outrage money could buy at the town hall meetings...
and when they see protests by the other side...
they cry...
and cry...
and cry...
what an ugly ugly bunch of retarded republicans...
just like they always talk smack with arrogant darwinian economics philosophy...
act like tough guys...
but once you push back...
they turn into little bitty wussy school children...
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
Browbeaten??? What's wrong about just an old fashioned beating?
I don't know anyone who does not want "improved health care for lower cost!"
They just don't want a government take over of our health system per HR-3200.
JoeinBC, your addition to the conversation is right on the mark. Unbelievable! A thinking conservative. It's so refreshing and it does provide us with some hope.
Here is my experience with some seniors in my neighborhood:
Conservative senior friends of mine are worried that Government will run their favored Medicare program. They told me that government run programs are bad for seniors. They want to keep what they have under Medicare which they believe is not a government run service.
They don't trust the government since they've been told that government can't run anything.
They believe that the roads they drive on, the water they drink, the foods that are inspected, the Disease Control Center in Atlanta, FEMA assisting citizens in natural disasters, the US military,the Coast Guard, the FBI, the police and the fire and medical first responders and the K-12 and State universities their children attended, the unemployment and workman's compensation benefits and social security they received are all funded and operated by private companies. They thought Enron and AIG are the finest examples of private industry.
Discussons revealed how so many of them did not know that Medicare was a single payer government run program that bring them the benefits they need and enjoy.
When asked if they read any of the proposed bills? They admit they don't have the time or inclination. But they did read the anti-reform signs of the protesters seen on Fox News.
After engaging in a conversation, my fellow seniors for the first time learned the truth. Insurance reform will strengthen Medicare, by giving us more choices. They were astounded to hear that AARP and the AMA agree that the reform is good for seniors because it will not cut Medicare benefits, eliminate giveaways to such programs as Medicare Advantage, save money by closing the dreaded doughnut hole in Part D and eliminate co-pays for preventative care like cancer screenings and immunizations.
Above all they were pleased to learn that the proposed bills extends coverage to young people, stop insurance companies from charging women more or cutting care when you need it most. Above all the reform will make it illegal to deny coverage because of a pre-existing condition.
Worried about the long term financial liabilities of Medicare, they said they can understand if we do nothing, costs for each of us will keep rising and the Medicare program they enjoy will be at risk of going bust.
It was refreshing to see that a calm discussion could help dispel the misinformation surrounding this critical issue.
freeandinformed is not leaving up to his name...
What "reform" are you talking about?
Shirley you not talking about HR-3200...
If not HR-3200, what "proposed bills" are you writing about? Do you have any bill numbers?
You sound as if you think "seniors" are beneath you and can't make up their own minds.
Looks to me like you weren't informing them, you were preaching to them...
Oh, I get it... You are Free to Inform them...
Thanks...
Jerrywayne: I think your numbers are a little off. Are the health care projections as accurate?
Henderson is a city in Clark County, Nevada, United States within the Las Vegas metropolitan area. It is the second largest city in Nevada, after Las Vegas, with an estimated population of 252,064 in the 2008 Census Bureau.[1] It occupies the southeast end of the Las Vegas Valley at an elevation of approximately 1,330 feet (410 m). ref: wickipedia
The numbers were for the Las Vegas Metropolitan Area.
jp, right on. there was a time when people helped each other, now it's what's in it for me. selfish folks who never contributed anything to society.
I will always respect the right of the people to organize and speak their minds. This is a right that was given to us by the makers of the constitution. Unfortunately the Republicans seem to feel it is their right and not anyone elses right unless you agree with their position. Using foul language is not the way to get a point across. Apparently the Republican right seems to think it is the only way. We need health care reform now not in another 50 years. There are too many out there who need help. I want them to get that help. But I guess I care about others.
The extremes of both the Republication and the Democrat parties think that it's their way or the highway.
It was the Independent voters who put Obama and many Democrats and Republicans in office and it will be the independent voters who will take them out of office if they don't get along and get things done.
This has been a unpaid political announcement for the Independents voters of America.
Like frogs in slowly boiling water these people are. When they realize what is truly happening across the board in all the white wash, race baiting, dis-information all sides are slinging to get their moment, it will be too late. And to you jpcortez, there are many who have rested well and are awake to the extreme left that is Moveon.org.
Grass roots doesn't need professional signs, we will make them with cardboard, paint, chalk or crayon, what ever it takes. The lines are clear, health care reform as it currently is being shoved down are throats MUST be defeated and at least a more tempered debate made with all sides weighing in before a decision is made.
Let me make sure I got this right- the woman with the spinal injury, who can no longer work, I'm assuming because she is disabled, has applied for disability benefits from Social Security and has been denied, right? So, some bureaucrat has determined that, despite her inability to work and earn a living, she is not, by Social Security's standards "disabled" and therefore, ineligible for benefits, right? And now, she wants to enable the same level of bureaucracy by handing a huge amount of control of healthcare over to the same governemnt that administers Social Security? Yeah, okay...
Green: you hit the nail on the head.
NLV: One of he strongest voices here. Keep it up.
Air: best writer here. Not sure exactly where you are coming from all the time but you sure have skills.
Bird/edge: Love you guys. You make my points for me which frees me up to to exploit the little man and spread my lies and fear. Did I mention I was going to get another Rolex?
lookie lookie at our retarded democratic friends...
they staged the best outrage money could buy at the town hall meetings...
and when they see protests by the other side...
they cry...
and cry...
and cry...
what an ugly ugly bunch of retarded democrats...
just like they always talk smack with arrogant darwinian economics philosophy...
act like tough guys...
but once you push back...
they turn into little bitty wussy school children...
hee hee hee...
hoo hoo hoo...
haa haa haa...
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For all I know, perhaps some of these people have been reading my postings about how we have a NHS in Sweden, so instead of paying 2, 3 or $4000 a year on medical insurance, they perhaps like the idea of having a government run NHS instead of greedy insurance companies running the whole show
udde: Sweden is going backward fast. I read yesterday that Ragnar Bengtsson, a student at Stockholm University, is trying to be the first man to breast-feed babies. My Viking (Norge) ancestors are laughing in Valhalla!
No h1n1 vaccine for Insanitized dittoheads, it is government after all. also the red-neck talk stations in town are planning more layoffs because of declining ad revenue. Also, emergency room medical care should be denied to REPUBLICANS without insurance.
Come on mred, tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back now...
PRESIDENT OBAMA AWAKENED A SLEEPING GIANT IN 2008...AND WE MANIFESTED A COUNTRY READY TO BELIEVE AGAIN. CHANGE AND HOPE BECAME OUR MANTRA...AND THE WAY AMERICA DISTRIBUTED IT'S WEALTH, WAS TO BE RE-ORGANIZED TO THROW A LIFELINE "TO THE LEAST AMONGST US". HEALTHCARE FOR ALL, CLEAN ENERGY, IMMIGRATION REFORM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND EQUALITY FOR ALL "GOD'S FOLD" WERE PLACED LIKE A DANGLING CARROT BEFORE A STARVING HORSE.
WE AREN'T LOOKING FOR CONCESSIONS...WE AREN'T INTERESTED IN "EUTHANISING THE INFIRMED OR OLD"...DESTROYING MEDICARE OR PAYING FOR BASELESS NON-MEDICAL, NOT OUT-OF- NECESSITY ABORTIONS...WE JUST WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE HEALTH CARE AND PREVENTATIVE TREATMENTS TO DODGE ILLNESS...IF YOU THINK THAT PRIVATE INSURANCES DON'T COME BETWEEN YOU AND THE DOCTOR'S LIST THEY HAVE COMPILED FOR YOU, YOU ARE LIVING IN DENIAL.
I HAVE MEDICARE NOW AND I THANK GOD EVERYDAY FOR IT... AS THE PRIVATE INSURANCES I'VE HAD ALL MY LIFE HAVE ALWAYS LET ME DOWN.
BECAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS: PRIVATE INSURANCES ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU...THEY ARE ONLY ACCOUNTABLE TO THEIR SHAREHOLDERS...
AS GOODS AND SERVICES IN A CAPITALISTIC SOCIETY ARE BASED ON "CAVEAT EMPTOR" OR "BUYER BEWARE." CAPITALISM WITHOUT COMPETITION RUNS RANCID AND STINKS.
WE WANT A PUBLIC OPTION THAT INSURES THAT FOLKS WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE COVERED...THAT THE 50 MILLION PEOPLE WITHOUT INSURANCE ARE COVERED. THE PUBLIC OPTION IS A TOOL TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD. BY OFFERING A COMPETITIVE LOW-COST PUBLIC OPTION, THE PRIVATE INSURANCES WILL BE FORCED TO COMPETE, FORCING THEM TO LOWER THEIR PREMIUMS AND STRENGTHEN THE COVERAGE OFFERED.
PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF AND OTHERS ON THIS LIFESAVING ISSUE.
I beleive... and I am now eduacated...
Just like butter!