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New census query on immigration status would diminish state’s clout
Two GOP senators introduce amendment to keep illegal immigrants out of the count
ASSOCIATED PRESS FILE
Sen. David Vitter, R-La., holds a meeting on health care Aug. 28 in Kenner, La. He says Sen. Harry Reid opposes his amendment because Reid “wants illegals counted in the census.”
Friday, Oct. 23, 2009 | 2 a.m.
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Sen. David Vitter, R-La., and Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, tacked an amendment onto an appropriations bill this month that, if passed, would greatly affect Nevada because of its relatively large Hispanic population.
The amendment would add an 11th question to next spring’s census, a question about “citizenship and immigration status.”
The two senators are trying to ensure that people who aren’t citizens are excluded from figures used for allocating congressional seats, a process that occurs every 10 years, after the census.
Nevada’s growth over the past decade would almost certainly result in the state’s gaining at least one representative in Congress. That growth includes 230,000 illegal immigrants, giving the state the 13th-largest such population in the nation, according to a 2008 Pew Hispanic Center estimate.
Two of the most visible opponents of the amendment are Southern Nevadans in and out of Congress — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Andres Ramirez, senior vice president of NDN, a Washington, D.C., think tank and advocacy group.
Reid tried to use a parliamentary procedure Oct. 13 to prevent the Senate from voting on the measure, but fell short on support.
Rebecca Fisher, spokeswoman for Republican Sen. John Ensign, said the senator has no position on the amendment.
Reid’s spokesman, Jon Summers, said the amendment is “a partisan tactic designed to delay the passage of an important bill.”
Vitter countered on a conservative radio talk show that Reid “wants illegals counted in the census, wants illegals (counted) in the reapportionment of the House,” according to the The Hill, a Beltway publication.
Meanwhile, Ramirez held a news conference Tuesday of 10 national groups opposed to the amendment, including the Hispanic National Bar Association and the NAACP.
In an interview afterward, Ramirez said the Constitution and Supreme Court decisions make clear that congressional seats must be based on a state’s population. He noted that such a question could cause illegal immigrants and their family members to avoid participating in the census for fear that information about them would reach other government agencies.
The result would be an undercount, which not only affects future political representation, but federal funding for roads, schools and other public expenditures, not to mention private sector planning.
An undercount would affect Nevada in particular because a quarter of the state’s population is Hispanic, said David Byerman, Nevada’s chief representative for the Census Bureau. Nevada also has hundreds of thousands of people in so-called mixed-status families, meaning some of their relatives are in the country legally and others aren’t.
But Nevada and other states with large Hispanic populations may wind up not being hurt by the Vitter-Bennett amendment because “it’s too late to shift gears,” Byerman said.
Two congressionally mandated deadlines have come and gone — April 1, 2007, when the agency outlined what subjects the census would cover, and the same date a year later, when the agency released the survey’s 10 questions. “We met both deadlines,” Byerman said.
And the feds have printed 300 million forms. So printing new ones, not to mention reprogramming computers and retraining staff, would cost hundreds of millions of dollars, Byerman said.
Even if Congress wanted to spend additional money, the result would be “the failure of our operation,” he said. “We could not meet statutory deadlines.” One of those is Dec. 31, 2010, the date by which the agency has to submit data to the White House.
To achieve this, the agency needs to get its initial mailing out in late March, followed by a second mailing a month later and door-to-door visits starting May 1, lasting up to eight weeks.
Ramirez noted that census-takers in Nevada have another reason “to be ready to start on time” — higher-than-normal transiency rates as a result of tops-in-the-nation foreclosure rates.
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What clout?
"Nevada's growth over the past decade would almost certainly result in the state's gaining at least one representative in Congress. That growth includes 230,000 illegal immigrants, giving the state the 13th-largest such population in the nation, according to a 2008 Pew Hispanic Center estimate."
"Two of the most visible opponents of the amendment are Southern Nevadans in and out of Congress -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Andres Ramirez, senior vice president of NDN, a Washington, D.C., think tank and advocacy group."
And we wonder why Nevada is broke, let's be honest, why America is broke. When the tax system was developed and annual budgets are established it is based on Revenue. Revenue and cost are working and cost to us taxpayers is far exceeding the revenue.
The incremental differences between the two has been slowly creeping upon America over the years that it has finally exceeded the tax system. The only way to reverse this is to deport the illegals and stop allowing them the freebies.
For those who don't want to deport then we need to develop an opt in and opt out tax system, this would be based on your voting so the cheaters pay their portion. If you vote against deporting then you'd be automatically opted in and your taxes would be raised to an amount that pays for illegal's to stay in the system and for those who say deport them, you'd be opted out and your taxes would be less. LOL, this would not last long, they'd be deported in a few years since it costs those who support them directly.
We have 180,000 on unemployment insurance here and more than likely we have 250,000 unemployed and we have 230,000 illegal's here, do the math. And you want Reid to stay in office, you're the problem. America can't afford this anymore, if you want them here, you pay for them. Better yet, the DNC can write the checks and let the ones who support the illegals, they can pay.
Fellow Nevadans who don't support Reid need to unite and fight for our rights. The Democrats continue to erode America's values and are destroying us from within and have one goal, codependence on the government and one nation world. If we allow them to continue like they have over the past 15 years it won't be much longer and we'll become another 3rd world country.
Why worry about the 11th question when they can't uphold our laws and rid our state of the 230,000 illegals here. Typical Reid and his sticking up for the illegals again. Why aren't the Nevada voters mad as hell? 230,000 illegals in our state and over 230,000 citizens unemployed. Makes sense, doesn't it?
... and all the while Sen. Ensign doesn't have the time or the mind to make a statement. What a coward. Oh, thats right, I almost forgot, Johnny E. is taking applications for a new aid he's looking for. Remember if you make it through the written review and are picked for the oral interview, you have to bring your wife.
Harry Reid wants to make sure every border-jumper gets counted. Harry Reid, in favor of lawbreakers? What a shock. Takes one to know one, I guess.
I don't suppose Sun stenographer Lisa Mascaro, Harry Reid's lapdog, wants to do any digging into Harry's illegal land deals, eh? Of course not. Then he wouldn't like her anymore, and that's what it's all about with the Sun.
Isn't by adding illegals into the census just one more step to making them citizens? Big business and our government are trying to make we the people get used to the fact that these federal law breakers are here to stay.
Get rid of the illegals and put U.S. citizens back to work.
I see flashes of anti-illegal activity here and there, but nothing consistent with a massive efort to rid the country of the illegal alien problem. When will America awake from a national nightmare?
Having a small army within the state should raise the eyebrows of our representatives, and not an eyebrow raise that would benefit them, but one that should raise red flags. It is more important to them to coddle this group, suppress the applying of the law, allow them to vote and receive social/medical taxpayer support is criminal. VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS, they obviously dont care.
Lots of hate and bile already and its only 6 in the morning. How do you people get through the day without your head exploding?
Anyways, illegals have been counted in the census forever. The census doesn't care about their immigration status, it just wants a headcount and basic demographic data. If you start to ask questions about if they're here illegally, guess what, they aren't going to fill out the forms and send them in! You're just making the census bureau's job much harder.
A census is to determine the number of people living in the US. Whether they're here legally, illegally, on a H1B work visa, whatever. Everyone uses the public road infrastructure to get places, everyone uses police and fire protection, etc. So in order to appropriately dish out the dollars, we need to know the total number of people living here regardless of citizenship status.
"A census is to determine the number of people living in the US. Whether they're here legally, illegally, on a H1B work visa, whatever. Everyone uses the public road infrastructure to get places, everyone uses police and fire protection, etc. So in order to appropriately dish out the dollars, we need to know the total number of people living here regardless of citizenship status."
And there is the problem. The present tax system doesn't account for the influx of illegal immigrants for any public body to support. If we continue to provide money to the states for their police, fire, roads, infrastructures, and healthcare system based on headcount regardless of immigration status, we'll be broke forever.
When our forefathers setup the census up they never imagined America would be a cesspool of freeloaders and the land of illegal immigrants therefore the system was not designed to permanently support these two groups that are being forced upon the working class and our tax system. Remove them from the tax base as they generate nothing but want everything for nothing, I don't care. I'm just sick of supporting the lunatic Democrat's policies and people, they are a useless group of people and have nothing to offer most of America unless I am one that supports the freebie system and/or I am a democrat who needs the voting pool, which I don't support nor do I need.
I wouldn't call the comments here "hate and bile". I have seen a lot worse on other stories. People are just pointing out the link between the horrible unemployment rate and the number of people who are here illegaly. Doesn't the word "illegal" mean anything? If not, why not just give everyone the option of choosing any three laws that they're free to ignore as they please, with no consequences.
Is this the same David Vittter that likes to wear baby diapers and sit in the laps of NOLA hookers, while he sings lullabyes? He is no diffferent than other GOP perverts like Foley, Ensign, Craig, etc.
Do not use the count of illegal aliens to apportion seats in the US House! It is wrong to reward the illegals, political parties, the Federal Government and states like California, Illinois and Nevada who give illegal aliens welfare, food stamps, and free education. If America enforced the law these illegal aliens would go home and force by sheer numbers the governments of their countries to change.
The Census should count every person in the country but distinguish between citizens and illegal aliens.
We all know this Congress and this President will never allow any change to the census.
The present White House occupant won't help us citizens (in the anti-illegal fight), we who were born here because he himself wasn't USA-born, that's why he wears the "Kenyan Marxist" lapel button.
I don't understand why it is that everytime the census argument comes up, it's the same thing illegal ailens! why has or is nothothing being done to resolve this issue? could it be that the lawmakers have something personal to lose in stepping up to the plate to address this issue? These people broke our laws and illegally hopped over our borders and are taking jobs that any citizen would be happy to fill. I don't buy that lame excuse that they are taking jobs American citizens don't want. More to the point is that they are here illegally and that in itself is justification to send 'em home NOW!! Either the lawmakers make 'em taxpaying citizens, or ship 'em OUT! We have had enough of this crap! someone in government needs to do the job of governing, or else we will get someone in office who will! this means you Harry Reid!!!, Jim Gibbons...
The way Las Vegans talk about Hispanics is shameful
The only thing more absurd is how they have become the whipping boys (and girls!) for EVERY problem facing the Vegas Valley.
Rising unemployent? Must be the illegals!
(Nevermind the Vegas has only one industry and that the State was poorly prepared for this recession)
Eroding quality of Public Education? Must be the illegals!
(Nevermind that CCSD is an administrative nightmare and the State of Nevada poorly funds public education)
Drugs and Crime sweeping the Valley? Must be the illegals!
(Actually Meth is rampant in the White community in Vegas, along with guns, alcoholism, and domestic violence)
Maybe the real problem is not with those folks who walked risked everything to BE HERE; maybe the problems we face are caused by those who have TAKEN FOR GRANTED their "birthright" to be here.
Because, frankly, Vegas used to be a nice city...before YOU got here!
I love Nevada. I own land up around Tonapah and it is magnificent. But the Census is to count the citizens of the United States, and then others. If you award Congressional Seats based on the number of illegal aliens in the district, it is contempt of the United States.
I fully realize the door to Nevada has been opened, and the illegal aliens allowed to populate many areas. Live with them, and the beauty of their economic contributions dims very, very quickly. In order to examine the statistics on this issue, you have to go to the Bureau of Prisons, but when you do, you will discover they have incarceration rates that are far, far higher than any other ethnic group in the United States.
I want them deported, and most Americans agree with that. Lets not pretend they are part of our country sos they can be counted for Congressional Seats, and then their welfare paid for out of Federal Funds. Lets obey the law: lets deport them.
Its such a shame whats happening to Las Vegas..and the country!!! We lived there for 5 yrs moved out in 04"...at that time we knew that this was going to happen, with all the illegals invading Las Vegas. I have thought of buying a place out there, again...for the winters, but, I just don't feel it is the safe place it used to be..sad, I would go grocery shopping at 1-2am..or go play Bingo at 4am, (by myself)..never thought a thing of it. Now, I would be afraid in the daytime!!! We also saw how the jobs were being taken by the illegals, as well...what started out to be lawn work for them (illegals) ended up to be taking jobs in construction..roads..Just about ALL the casino jobs..again too bad!!! We..Loved Vegas, really really miss being there...!!
Big OG...you are truly an idiot..or..probably an Illegal. Since they have overwhelmed this city, with gangs, uneducated (non english speaking) low lifes, it has brought down a once wonderfully diverse city...there were many different nationalities here, and thats what made it wonderful..but now, well...its obvious, which ethnic group is the cause..really obvious!!!!HELLO!!!!
Well, let's see. We have adherence to the law versus Nevada's urge to have more clout. Hmmmm...I for one vote for the law. If people are not here legally, they should not be recognized. Counted, maybe, but not included in counts of legal people. Even if it means more resources from the government. To argue otherwise is to argue that the law only counts when it is not inconvient, and I don't think we want to go down that road.
And you are correct, you don't go to the store in the early hours anymore and you sure don't go play bingo anymore. The illegal's along with the diehard liberal follower's crime here is at it all time high it is sad.
What the Reid's, Collins, and the rest of the Democrats have enabled in Nevada is sickening. Until the lunatics are voted out of office and replaced with sensible politicians who don't support illegal's and career welfare recipients Nevada will continue to become a human cesspool just as the rest of the Nation that they are enabling.
Don't the spend the time & money to change the questions, go ahead and count them. But at the same time, we need:
- Real ID, eVerify, and significant employer penalties for hiring undocumenteds.
- Aggressive law enforcement efforts to insure that any illegal arrested for any felony or violent crime is deported immediately after their incarceration is completed.
- Much stronger border enforcement. Use the Guard, armed, if needed.
- Some mechanism for registering those that remain along with a process for either deporting them (notably gangbangers & smugglers -- drug testing and tattoo checks will identify most of them) or incorporating them into a process for citizenship (law abiding, employed, women & children, educated, english speaking; expedited process for those who complete a term of service in the military).
Dwindling economic opportunities along with getting rid of the worst should significantly reduce unemployment and crime rates. Toughening up the border will cut the flow (and reduce the criminal & terrist threat). And some process of registration should bring all but the remaining hardcore types out into the open.
Deporting 12-12 million will not work (and shouldn't even be attempted). Many may want them out, but when we're forced to use detention camps to round them up and cattle cars to ship them into Mexico (the Mexican ones anyway, who make up the majority), the spectacle will be too much for the overwhelming number of Americans to accept. (And the resulting chaos & expenses will be worse than the Obamacare disaster shaping up in Congress.)
There are American children that live in poverty and lack nutritious food and a safe home. These are things that money can help!! And instead, we give money to illegal aliens that break our law and steal healthcare and education? Really sad.
its2hot Most of your points are valid but you seem to forget that Bush,McCain and the Republican Party were in favor of illeagl immigrants coming to America thus bankrupting every social program,schools,hospitals ect..
Your mistaken bias with the DNC while chosing to ignore the fact Bush and his administration did absolutely nothing to protect Americas borders is alarming .McCain called illegal immgrants Gods children and encouraged their illegal entry into America. Bush and his Republican party saw illegal immigrants as a way to lower wages and please the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
In the end prior to the last national election there was a movement by both parties to encorage illegal immigrants and their causes to gain their votes.
After eight years of Bush the right wingers still refuse to accept responsibility for anything while looking for convenient scape goats to blame anything and everything on. It is called denial. You need to over come your prejudices and tell the whole story. It is called denial and spinning the facts.
dems this and dems that. libs this and libs that. The Republicans controlled the House of Representatives since 1994 and the Entire Congress from 2000. They had it in their power to do something about illegal immgration but did nothing. Most likely because their primary constituency, business, benefits from cheap labor. More profits for the rich. I hope you Repub supporters have benefited from the trickle down of whatever small amounts the rich deign to toss your way.
Both parties love illegals and their children even more so. Since this is the only population group that has been growing rapidly and continuously for decades. Yet there's never any mention of illegal Asians- that falls under SWPL.
Through census or re-districting both parties try to get a larger share of the pie. The parties are not banking on a population group that has chosen to make itself extinct in a couple of decades. They now that it's all about numbers.
Whenever I read comments on an article about illegal immigration, the one thing that always strikes me is the automatic assumption that people make that illegal aliens don't pay taxes - how do you know this? The IRS and USCIS rarely share information, usually only during a criminal investigation, and the law was set up that way expressly to encourage people in the country illegally to pay their taxes.
Nevada doesn't even have a State income tax so there is no tax to avoid, only Federal! I think we can safely assume they either own a home or are renting one, in which case the property taxes are being paid. Obviously they also pay sales tax.
I remember talking to a guy who had a lawn business in California about 20 years or so ago and he told me the only reason he had set up a lawn business was to be self-employed so he could avoid immigration forms like I-9 - but he filed a 1040 every year. People waffling on about E-verify forget you can avoid the whole thing by being self-employed or starting your own company and filing a W-7 to get an ITIN.
But yet these people who generally are at least paying property taxes directly or indirectly find that they cannot put their (illegal) kids in school because they can't get SSNs.
The problem isn't enforcement of the law either, the problem is the law itself. The US immigration system is totally insane, it's the only immigration system in any developed country that heavily favours family-based immigration over employment-based immigration, i.e. it is far easier to get in if you have a close relative who is a US citizen than for an employer who needs you to sponsor you. There are only 140,000 visa numbers available every year for employment-based immigration, but there are usually 500,000+ for family-based and certain people (such as spouses) are exempt from the quota.
My real pet peeve is when people say: "I'm perfectly okay with immigrants as long as they come in legally." If you'd ever had to immigrate into the US you'd know how ridiculous that statement is, the US has the most bureaucratic immigration system in the world. There are umpteen agencies involved in various parts of it: the State Dept., DHS, CBP, Dept. of Labor, Social Security Administration, DOJ, USCIS and so on. Assuming you even qualify (which you probably don't) navigating that system is very difficult. It's very easy to slip up on filing a form and find yourself in the country illegally, or worse yet, you timely file all the paperwork and USCIS or whomever take too long to process one bit of it and you miss some deadline. And this assumes you are fluent in English, and by "fluent" I mean fluent in American bureaucratese, not just able to speak the language!
O.G Wrote:
"Maybe the real problem is not with those folks who walked risked everything to BE HERE"
They didn't want to be here badly enough to do it legally, like my granparents did! They're lazy, freeloading, criminals. Calling illegal aliens "undocumented workers" is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Doesn't change the disaster that's unfolding.
I agree, freeloading criminals that are stealing our tax dollars that we all pay.
Ha ha I'm sure you were queuing up for the opportunity to go pick tomatoes or sort recycling out of trash nevadaappleslices. Those are the jobs that are disappearing because of illegal immigration. Without immigration, both legal and illegal our population would be decreasing in this country. Decreases in population are almost always inextricably linked with declines in the economy; it is a fallacy to believe that the consumption of individuals, regardless of their legal status, does not positively effect the economy. We don't even have a state income tax here but I'm pretty sure everyone here is paying a sales tax when they make purchases.
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Including illegals in the census, why don't we just include all the people visiting over the weekend from foreign country's or US states staying in the hotels downtown and on the strip and in Reno. Lets not draw a line lets be fair! A house seat is a house seat... it doesn't matter how we get it, love and war and politics, what ever it takes to win! (sic)!
Including illegals in the census and using that count to determine Congressional seats seems queer to me. On the other hand, there are allocation of funds for infrastructure and schools based on the count and this appears to be the correct thing to do. These folks are here and the monies given by the government should reflect it. But that doesn't mean that the government should not enforce immigration rules. The enforceement should occur at places of employment. The vast majority of them are here for jobs and if there are no jobs they won't be here.
good point fogcity, NV should take advantage of the money for state services, but that means acknowledge the body count of undocumented residents.
We need an enforcement agency to go door to door checking citizenship and visas. If found to be without proof then those people should be gathered up and deported. These foreign invaders are a real threat to national security. They wave foreign flags at rallies and burn American flags in protest. They are here to destroy the American way of life and steal everything in sight. Our military should be used to expel these parasites from our country. Every American Citizens has been affected by the lack of border security and each and everyone of us had better start standing up to these invaders. They are a threat to you and your family. DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS!!!!!
Illegals don't have to pay sales tax or any tax for that matter, they just say their not citizens, so the casher/checkers don't charge and they don't have to pay for anything either, they have Card-Blanc.
Now back to basics, by law (92 Stat. 915, Public Law 95-416, enacted on October 5, 1978), individual census records are sealed for 72 years. This figure has remained unchanged since before the 1978 law, reflecting an era when life expectancy was under 60 years, and thus attempts to protect individuals' privacy by prohibiting the release of personal information during individuals' lifetimes. The individual census data most recently released to the public was the 1930 census, released in 2002. Aggregate census data are released when available.
That said, all Sen. David Vitter, R-La., and Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah are trying to do is derail the census from doing what it is suppose to do, count all the people who are living in America, no different than the first U.S. Census which was conducted in 1790 by Federal marshals. Census takers went door to door and recorded the name of the head of the household and the number of people in each household. There was only one catch, Slaves were enumerated, but only three out of five were counted for apportionment. American Indians, being neither taxed nor considered during apportionment, were not counted in the census and minorities where never counted. All this meant that only the WASP would indulge in the pie, and this has gone on for over a century and a half.
I believe in the laws of America. The constitution never identified the people to be counted other than those pointed out in the above paragraph. Should we want to exclude any select group again we need to do it now, before the WASP loose all control of the House?
Ethnocentrism is the tendency to look at the world primarily from the perspective of one's own culture, and to downgrade all other groups outside one's own culture. Some sociologists, such as Lawrence Bobo and Vincent Hutchings, say the origin of ethnic stratification lies in individual dispositions of ethnic prejudice, which relates to the theory of ethnocentrism. Continuing with Noel's theory, some degree of differential power must be present for the emergence of ethnic stratification. In other words, an inequality of power among ethnic groups means "they are of such unequal power that one is able to impose its will upon another". In addition to differential power, a degree of competition structured along ethnic lines is a prerequisite to ethnic stratification as well. The different ethnic groups must be competing for some common goal, such as power or influence, or a material interest, such as wealth or territory. Lawrence Bobo and Vincent Hutchings propose that competition is driven by self-interest and hostility, and results in inevitable stratification and conflict.
It's nice to know that there are 230,000 illegal immigrants in the State of Nevada" (13th-largest such population in the nation) Well it looks like there are 12 states ahead of Nevada and 37 states after Nevada that have illegal immigrants, too. I gather that every state knows the number of illegal immigrants they have for one reason or another.
If it is known the number of illegal immigrants residing in this country let alone the state of Nevada, why isn't something being done? (Is it because.....it is politically incorrect?)
If you want to become an naturalized American citizen, please by all means, become one. Welcome to the United States of America. (Is this politically incorrect to say?)
or
If you don't want to become an American citizen, please leave. We will show you the door. Go back to the country, planet, solar system, galaxy or universe you came from. (Is this politically incorrect to say?)
or is saying the word "illegals" politically incorrect?
Makes you wonder being born in the United States will become politically incorrect one day?
I wonder how other countries, handle their immigration problems and if there laws and the way they handle illegal immigrants are politically incorrect?
Siromega said:
"Lots of hate and bile already and its only 6 in the morning. How do you people get through the day without your head exploding?"
I love it!!! Great quote!! I shall use it at some point in the future.
Sen. David Vitter-Bennett have been offering an amendment to the Commerce, Justice, and Science appropriations bill that would require the U.S. Census Bureau to add questions regarding immigration & citizenship status of 20 to 30 million plus illegal immigrants and families in the 2010 decennial census. If these questions are not asked it is certain that--ALL--these illegal aliens will be counted in the census and states will lose billions of dollars in federal funds to states infamously designated as SANCTUARY STATES such as CALIFORNIA and gain Congressional seats (and electoral college votes) due to this counting of illegal aliens.DEMAND FROM YOUR SENATORS THAT SEN. VITTERS' AMENDMENT BE INCLUDED. Only citizens and permanent residents should be counted. Just may be citizens and legal residents should--abstain--from being counted in the 2010, if the Democrats insist in illegal immigrants who broke our sovereignty laws. California--A SANCTUARY STATE -- taxpayers have already suffered enough from there incompetent state--JUDAS--politicians, who sold them out to open border lobbyists catering to millions of illegal immigrant families. That's why the once beautiful state is sitting on the edge of monolithic insolvency, for supporting foreign nationals with government welfare benefits.
Call and blast your Senators and Representative at 202-224-3121 in Washington. Overwhelming the switchboard with your calls, as it is having an outstanding effect of--MILLIONS of angry voters. THEY ARE BEGINNING TO LISTEN AND REACT? INFORM THEM DO YOUR DUTY OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES ON RE-ELECTION DAY? Tell them you want a PERMANENT E-Verify for--EVERY WORKER, a secure double layer fence and--REAL--enforcement against sanctuary state policies. Read undisclosed facts, statistics and lawmakers immigration enforcement grades of politicians at NUMBERSUSA. UNEARTH the corruption in government at JUDICIAL WATCH. Your voice is needed to halt OVERPOPULATION and American Worker survival. Demand NO-MORE-AMNESTIES. They should--GO--home and come through the front door, like millions of honest legal immigrants? Report any irregularities in your workplace to ICE. Be a patriotic American, Whistle-Blower and inform of illegal activity to ICE. Your job--COULD BE NEXT?
Our government needs to prove to the American workers that they mean what they say? That means secure borders and interior immigration enforcement. E-Verify is part of nationwide enforcement, a tool that has caused hysteria amongst the open border demagogues. E-verify was nearly sold out by Sen. Harry Reid , Nancy Pelosi , Rep. Joe Baca (D-Calif.) and even Janet Napolitano. But this time they failed to arrest it's capability to remove E-Verify from the Parthenon of tools, that addresses the illegal immigration invasion. Brought into the spotlight by Senator Sessions, they Democratic leadership were unable to sink it beyond the enlightened eyes of the attentive public. As with the 1986 Immigration control and reform bill, those anti-sovereignty organizations have--NEVER--tried to--ENFORCE--the law. THROW ALL THESE ANTI-SOVEREIGNTY LAWMAKERS OUT WHEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE AGAIN.
So now those catering to big business are repeatedly saying its broken. like any immigration enforcement laws, Democrats and Republicans alike over decades have refused to enforce the border. A new survey conducted by Rasmussen Reports reveals that 56% of Americans say that federal immigration policies encourage illegal immigration, and 64% believe that local law enforcement should conduct raids in places where illegal aliens gather to find work. Only 19% opposed the raids compared to 24% who opposed such raids back in April. Another condemnation by faith groups is Sen. Chuck Schumer's attempt to claim overwhelming evangelical Christian support for his pending amnesty legislation has crumbled. His master plan was to use the staff and leadership of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) to give the impression of near unanimity.
The NAE tried. But after the members in the pew erupted, only 11 of the 40 NAE member denominations have been willing to sign on to endorse amnesty and Schumer's "comprehensive immigration reform" agenda. Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) offered an amendment to the Commerce, Justice and Science (CSJ) appropriations bill that would have prevented CSJ funds from going to cities or localities with "sanctuary" policies (i.e., those cities that prohibit their police officers from assisting Immigration and Customs Enforcement, refuse to report criminal illegal aliens, and act as safe havens for illegal aliens). The paranoid Senators voted 61-38 to table the amendment (effectively killing it), with at least one of your Senators voting against the amendment. Unfortunately these are SANCTUARY STATES such as California that is now submerged under massive financial debt, a large portion caused by the millions of illegal families living of state welfare. Rep. Joe Baca (D-CA) yesterday introduced a bill that would ensure all citizens and U.S. residents--INCLUDING--illegals immigrants -- are counted in the US Census.
This included Sen. DeMint amendment to construct the original--DOUBLE LAYER--fence, authored originally by Rep.Duncan Hunter, which like most approved laws are hastily thrashed in cloaked conferences pandering to corporate cartels and pro-illegal immigrant lobbyists. Thanks to the open border groups our border defenses comprises of a single layer barrier, with large areas of nothing to halt illegal criminals, drug peddlers, uninhibited terrorists and scores of illegal aliens with families from entering America. Sanctuary policies encourage illegal immigration by sending a signal across the world that anyone who manages to enter the United States will be able to stay here as long as they wish - regardless of their status - because our government lacks the will to enforce its own laws. These illegal policies have contributed to our current illegal immigration debacle and are an embarrassment to the country.
Call and blast your Senators and Representative at 202-224-3121 in Washington. Overwhelming the switchboard with your calls, as it is having an outstanding effect of--MILLIONS of angry voters. INFORM THEM DO YOUR DUTY OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES ON RE-ELECTION DAY? Tell them you want a PERMANENT E-Verify for--EVERY WORKER, a secure double layer fence and--REAL--enforcement against sanctuary state policies. Read undisclosed facts at NUMBERSUSA. UNEARTH the corruption at JUDICIAL WATCH. Your voice is needed to halt OVERPOPULATION and American Worker survival. Demand NO-MORE-AMNESTIES. Go home and come through the front door, like millions of legal immigrants?
Gunslinger said:
"Illegals don't have to pay sales tax or any tax for that matter, they just say their not citizens, so the casher/checkers don't charge and they don't have to pay for anything either, they have Card-Blanc."
Huh? Where did you get THAT from?
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"They are evil sadistic people..."
"...rounded up like the animals they are..."
"...each day these animals are allowed to roam our streets they cost us..."
its2hot Racist much? And we are the lunatics?
I'm sick of pressing one for English.
I'm sick of scanning spanish speaking radio and TV stations.
I'm sick of people too stupid or arrogant to learn English.
MOST OF ALL I'M SICK OF POLITICIANS WHO CATER TO THEM!
VOTE THEM ALL OUT.
"We need an enforcement agency to go door to door checking citizenship and visas" Would that be the Gestapo or just the plain SS? Let's add a swastika to the Welcome to Las Vegas sign to let them illegals know just where we stand. I'm all for E-verify and better border security but get a grip moron.
Oh, I suppose then if we were invaded by an Army (of millions) forcibly crossing our borders, and then we had to pick up the tab for their:
CHILDBIRTH
EMERGENCY MEDICAL ROOMS
EDUCATIONAL EXPENSES
and still keep paying for their:
NATIONAL DEFENSE
POLICE AND FIRE PROTECTION
FAA SERVICES
NATIONAL DISEASE CONTROL CDC
and pay, yet still some more, for:
COUNTING THEM SO THEY CAN GET MORE FREE SERVICES
while they:
SEND MOST OF THEIR MONEY OUT OF THE COUNTRY.
...We should just be completely, delightfully, and exorbitantly happy with that, JUST like what's happened HERE....?
You. Have. Lost. Your. Ever. Lovin'. Mind....?
(I can tell you where to put your "they pay taxes" pile o' dung, too...)
It's once again time to invade, colonize, and civilize Mexico. Our military conquest in the 1840's was too limited in scope and application. Spain imposed Catholicism and the Spanish language as the mechanisms of imperialistic control. We will teach English, civic responsibility, and the rule of law. There are now half as many ethnic Mexicans in the U.S. as there are in Mexico because of a yearning for political and economic freedom and opportunity.
Not only does Mr. Reid not want to enforce the nation immigration laws, he wants to benefit from it. Shame on Harry Reid.
If I get caught shoplifting at Star Nursery on Ann Rd..I will be led out in handcuffs past 50-60 people who are breaking the law and the police do nothing about them...what happened to equal protection? How can law enforcement enforce one law..and not others?
Bring the rotary telephone so you don't have to push "one" for English, "two" for spanish
I'll say this again and again, there are business and individuals in this country, in this state, in this city, that continue to hire illegals, so we only have ourselves to blame!!
Instead of bitching about closing the borders, start imposing heavy fines on those that continue to illegally hire!!
geena..why don't law enforcement do their jobs and round them up at Star Nursey and Home Depot....they are standing there waiting...then nobody can hire them.
Burrittobandit2.......has solved the problem!
Yippee!
Count everyone!
Republicans want labor for the corporations.
We are all one now anyway.
Bienvenidos
Ok, construct a wall on the Canadian border which was the entrance point for the 9/11 terrorists. Go and solve that problem. Stop hating Mexicans which is what the southern fence strategy is about. May we all get along!
Hate Mexicans?? I love Mexicans....IN MEXICO!
I don't thimk the illegal aliens should be counted either. The story just said you have 230,000 illegal aliens there. This illegal immigration has caused more problems than anyone could have ever imagined. Nevada, do this. Get a State Illegal Immigration Law like Oklahoma, Arizona, Mississippi,Georgia, Missouri, South Carolina, Utah, Nebraska, Rhode Island and a few other places. Drive the illegal aliens out and back to their own Country where they belong.
Illegal aliens are destroying this Country, and if one can't see that, they have very poor eye sight.
Illegal aliens have made America the dumping ground for all their illegal alien children, then we have to school them and give them free medical care.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSe3C5vMa...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_ZnX9JRo...
I for one, am sick and tired of these illegal aliens snubbing their nose at our immigration laws and the many other laws of this Country. If our Federal Government can not ENFORCE our immigration laws, and get these illegal aliens out of this Country, then let the States do it! One way or another, an end has to come to this illegal immigration, and not with AMNESTY! Amnesty will only encourage more illegal aliens to invade our Country and reward those who broke our laws and raped the American taxpayer in many ways...depressing our wages, taking our jobs, overwhelming our schools with their ILLEGAL ALIEN children, driving without a license or car insurance, all the crime from stolen identities to rape, drugs and everything else.
It's time for ZERO TOLERENCE with these illegal aliens. It's time for them get out of this Country and back in their own Country where they belong. When we get rid of the illegal aliens, we will get rid of all the problems that go with them. THAT IS A FACT!
Nevada, Get a State Illegal Immigrtion Law...and get it ENFORCED! It's the very best thing you can do for your State and the very best thing you can do for this Country!
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Don't ever forget that Mexican women are God's gift to white men.
We probably won't have to worry about illegal immigrants being counted in the census because Harry Reid and Sen. chuck schumer are already planning to introduce bills that will give total amnesty to all illegal immigrants.They are also working on bills and amendents to increase legal immigration.My motto has become in the next election all "incumbents must go"A great web site dedicated to stopping illegal immigration is www.numbersusa.com.Try it and have your eyes opened to what is really going on in this country.
I'm a Mexican and I have 3 yobs
OG : GIMME A BREAK!
There are eleven million illegal aliens in the state of California. if they walked over the border risking everything to be here, they forgot one little thing.. TO DO IT LEGALLY!!!
Illegals counted in the census? You're kidding right? It's shocking how easily democrats sell out this country time after time.
You have to go to the right sources for the number of illegals in the U.S., although even then it is only an estimation because there isn't a way to accurately count their numbers. I suppose those most against immigrants will choose the higher end to justify their arguments. The must common number I've see was 12 million illegals. An estimated 37 million immigrants with approximately one third sa illegal. If the Mexican immigrants specifically, only half are illegal. Don't foregt that there are other parts of the world who contribute numbers to the tally. http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/back100...
you have no count if you're illegal. How the h*** can you count them ? It's so wrong.
"geena..why don't law enforcement do their jobs and round them up at Star Nursey and Home Depot....they are standing there waiting...then nobody can hire them".
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Well somebody has hired them before and hiring now!!! How would they know to stand there and wait!! Let's be logical and even if they aren't standing there, someone will find people somewhere else and and will continue to hire them. Sooooooooo...now what?
That's what you get for wakin up in Vegas...
As opposed to waking up in?
Sen. David Vitter R-LA-Bennett R-UT have been offering an amendment to the Commerce, Justice, and Science appropriations bill that would require the U.S. Census Bureau to add questions regarding immigration & citizenship status of 20 to 30 million plus illegal immigrants and families in the 2010 decennial census. If these questions are not asked it is certain that--ALL--these illegal aliens will be counted in the census and states will lose billions of dollars in federal funds to states infamously designated as SANCTUARY STATES such as CALIFORNIA and gain Congressional seats (and electoral college votes) due to this counting of illegal aliens.DEMAND FROM YOUR SENATORS THAT SEN. VITTERS' AMENDMENT BE INCLUDED. Only citizens and permanent residents should be counted. Just may be citizens and legal residents should--abstain--from being counted in the 2010, if the Democrats insist in illegal immigrants who broke our sovereignty laws.
Another aspect of this is undermining a genuine access to the legal population was the near disaster formulated by Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada. Sen. Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tried to staunch any nationwide use of E-Verify or other government efforts of enforcement? IT SHOULD BE REMEMBERED THAT BOTH CALIFORNIA, NEVADA AND OTHER BORDER STATES HAVE MONOLITHIC POPULATIONS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS. Shamefully, E-Verify cannot protect American competition from H-1B visas, but it has begun to dissipate the millions of jobs stolen by illegal labor in the country.
Alerted people have erupted in their constituencies, rousing their voices at 202-224-3121 in Washington. THE PEOPLE --stopped dead the tabling of E-verify, which is now funded for another 3 years. However we must keep continuously watch as HS head Janet Napolitano has already moderated the local police policy 287 G. My observations suggest to me that--ALL THIS WEAKENING--of immigration enforcement is leading up to the Democratic Representative from Chicago Luis V. Gutierrez, to commence the devastating push for another AMNESTY or as it's called a path to citizenship.
TODAY IS THE DAY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT CORRUPTION AND COMPROMISE BY OUR POLITICIANS AT NUMBERSUSA, JUDICIAL WATCH & CAPSWEB. SAY NO TO ANY NEW PATH TO CITIZENSHIP. ADD HONEST AMENDMENTS TO THE 1986 SIMPSON/MAZZOLI BILL, NOT ANOTHER COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION BILL, UNLIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE THAT WAS OVERFLOWING WITH FRAUD. light a fire under nonchalant politicians who are selling American workers futures to highest bidder contact WASHINGTON at 202-224-3121 As easily as you voted for these people, you can vote them OUT?