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twitterCounty’s jobless rate increases to record 13.9 percent
190,700 people are out of work statewide
Justin M. Bowen / File photo
A decline in visitor numbers to the Las Vegas Strip has fueled an increase in the jobless rate, jumping to 13.9 percent in Clark County.
Monday, Oct. 19, 2009 | 7:08 a.m.
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CARSON CITY – Unemployment in Clark County shot up one-half of 1 percent to another record of 13.9 percent with 141,000 workers jobless in September.
The state Department of Employment, Training and Rehabilitation reported the 13.9 percent compares with 7.4 percent in the same month a year ago.
But while the unemployment rate increased markedly in Clark County, the state rate rose only one-tenth of a percent to 13.3 percent with 190,700 people out of work.
William Anderson, chief economist for the department, said the statewide month-over-month increase in the unemployment rate was the smallest since March 2008.
“The deterioration in Nevada’s labor market eased a bit in September, but we will have to wait to see how future months unfold before we can conclude that the recession’s grip on the state’s economy is lessening,” Anderson said.
Department economists had predicted it could reach 14 percent in the next couple of months.
The construction industry in Southern Nevada was hard hit again. The department reported 69,500 workers were employed in the industry in September, down from the 73,400 in August.
Employment in casinos and hotels fell to 151,300 in September, down 1,200 workers. But those working in utilities, transportation and trade businesses rose to 154,500, up 1,100. Manufacturing totaled 23,400 jobs or 100 less than in August in Clark County.
The department reported unemployment in Washoe County rose from 12.4 percent in August to 13.1 percent in September with 29,900 workers out of a job.
Carson City’s jobless rate increased from 12.1 percent to 12.8 percent in September with 3,800 out of work.
The national rate for the month was 9.8 percent.
Anderson said the total number of unemployed Nevadans remains worrisomely high at 190,700, up nearly 85,000 from a year ago.
“The bottom line is that once the economy does begin to recover, which it will, there is much ground to be made up,” he said.
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Harry Reid is the senate majority leader and were pushing 14 percent unemployment ?
I wonder who Harry really represents in the senate because it sure as heck isn't the people who put him there..
And we all know that "OFFICIAL" rate is a complete outright lie; unemployment is actually: 28%....thrive!
Does the State Employment Office offer on-the-job-training grants to learn Brothel & Stripping trades; they are legal jobs and they do provide legal income.
Hmm. Up most of a percent in Reno, half a person in Clark and half a percent in Carson City but the state is up only a tenth of a percent.
Does not compute. Not possible.
i have lived in vegas for 58 years. i have never seen so many closed businesses....everywhere you go all over the valley there are empty buildings...newly built shopping centers are sitting there empty....totally unoccupied!
i believe that unemployment is higher than the reported figure...what about those that have run out of unemployment benefits and are no longer looking for work or are counted on the unemployment rolls...
is it more like 25-30 percent.....
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We're number one, we're number one...
How many of the unempoyled are recent transplants from out-of-state, and will they go back to their home state or some other state if there is work to be had?
Whatever the true unemployment rate is here in this city, we need to get our elected officials either replaced or in line with what we need to recover here. Things like swift passage of the Bullet Train Bill, relaxed business incentives. Stricter regulations for casino company ownership diversity which will result in more competitive and attractive values to boost tourism again. Also a common understanding my fellow taxpayers, that you only get what you give....
Now if you have seen the new uncle harry adds,he alone has saved las vegas!And all with just phone calls.Can you imagine what could happen if he really did something at all?VOTE THIS CLOWN OUT!AND KEEP HIS KID OUT TOO!NO REIDS IN OFFICE,IS GOOD FOR AMERICA!!!
I don't understand the math on unemployment. How can Clark County go up by a half of a percent and Washoe and Carson City go up by 0.7% when they represent about 90% of the population in Nevada (total Nevada unemployment only went up by 0.1%). Employment outside of these three areas would need to increase by four or five times (which is impossible). Obviously there was underreporting in the previous month because the numbers don't make any sense.
Harry Reid has been sitting on the unemployment extension for a month now.
Vote them all out of office; time to flush all of them
you always add at least 10 pnts to rate to cover under and part-timers...rate is 23-25% easily here
Please stop voting for these clowns
The day to day operations of Nevada are the responsibility of Governor Gibbons. The Governor declared an emergency to seize control of federal stimulus funds. Now Nevada is near last place among all the states in spending the stimulus funds. Why is Governor Gibbons playing political games with Nevada's recovery?
Blame it on Obama for telling the smelly tourists to stay in Washington, DC.
I wonder what the headlines will read 10 years from now?
Can you believe it?? One poster is calling for higher taxes to solve all our problems.
Our Democrat legislators already jacked up the tax rates a few months ago and guess what?
Tax revenues went down.
I would not vote for another Reid, ever, if it came with a stack of books.
Thank Obuma, he is the moron who said not to do business in Las Vegas.
Hope you liberal dumbacrats are happy being unemployed.
You posters are hilarious! It's Harry Reid's fault...no, it's Gibbons' fault. LOL...how about the city is filled with uneducated laborers with very few skills, and the jobs that cater to those people dried up because the few "educated" people bit off more than they could chew (surprise, surprise!) because of greed. It happened everywhere in the country/world, but magnified in Las Vegas. Now everyone is complaining about the government action/inaction and acting like they're innocent victims. Our population isn't versatile enough to adapt and find new industries that make sense. All of these other issues(stimulus money, etc.) are incredibly insignificant, relatively speaking. Simply band-aids as opposed to curing the disease...uneducated, greedy people running this town.
Here's a thought...How about we improve the education system (one of, if not THE worst in the country) so that we're better prepared for these types of events in the future.
The city being filled with uneducated illegal aliens is a federal issue.
Blame Harry Reid for that one.
Kim Kardashian will get paid $50,000 to have a birthday party (she turns 29) at Tao inside the Venetian in Las Vegas. I hope she spends all of it and more before she leaves town.
YEAHHHHHH for improveLV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is at least one educated person in LV that know what the problems are and their orgins. I read (and I know a few other people) that read these posts for a laugh. It is unbelievable the mentality of most of these posters.
Thanks again improveLV for facing reality.
So the homeless going through the Poverty Pimp's "Life Skills" & 12-Step Religious Cult's "Treatment" programs are not going to get living-wage jobs and Apartments? Well then it was never lacking life skills & booze to begin with!
I thought the 12-Step Religious cult's "Higher Power" made EVERYTHING BETTER and was POWERFUL BEYOND BELIEF!
I need a drink!
re: info4you2see post...
Kim Kardashian? Paid to have a birthday party at Tao?
That sure "ups" the "coolness factor" of both Tao and the Venetian.. hahaha
Remember "The Shovel-Ready Jobs"? Look at the label on the shovels, they say "Made-in-China"!
It's interesting, I only know 2 or 3 people collecting unemployment. That's not 12%, 24%, or 63% of my friends. That's like 0.005%.
environprotector, you are going to hate what that bullet train brings in from California; the money for building it will be good for a while, but once it gets going you will be writing in ten years that it never should have been allowed to be built.
JerryWayne ARE YOU SERIOUS WITH THAT POST????
laughing my a-- off!
rejco100 ... what will the trains bring?
people willing to spend money in the casinos?
felix28........Los Angeles! That's not warning enough?
I don't know anyone receiving unemployment, but when I drive by the unemployment offices and social service offices I LITERALLY SEE HUNDREDS OF DESPERATELY NEEDY PEOPLE BEGGING FOR HELP AND WALKING AWAY STILL DESPERATE! That's not good at all!
BTW, I'm retired and most of my friends are dead or are medicated into zombies at rest homes; that's why I dedicate my time to homeless veterans.
The "Boyz" in South-Central will love the NEW Bizzness Opportuniez the TRAINZ provide THEMZ!
Most of the blame needs to go toward the casinos. Just thank Harrahs and MGM. Nobody wants to come to Vegas and spend any money. The slots are so tight. There are so many casinos now around the country that people no longer needs to come to Vegas to gamble. If Harrahs and MGM wants to get back gamblers they are going to need to lossen the slots.
The Indian Casinos Slots are so tight many people have gotten turned off to gambling.
The Indian Casinos are next to collapse. The Indian Chief's 25,000 sf homes will crumble to the ground and most will be back in Tee-Pees and on food-stamp in no time.
The employment issues and the housing foreclosures could be ended today if our elected officials weren't bought and paid for by special interests.
But .. keep re-electing the folks that got us where we are today and don't be suprised if we are still in the same boat next year... Which would be 10 steps short of Rejcto's cure.
We only need 2 steps to cure the problems facing us ... but no one , elected or otherwise , is listening!
SAD!!!!!
rejco100 maybe you just "retire" from posting and this city. Most people are tire of racist and bigoted people. I think you are still living in the 1960's.
this will bolster houseprices !
rejco100 : I don't care what kinds of people the Bullet train brings in, I mean look at what we already have! We need the train to do exactly what the original railroad did for this desert, breath life into it! I don't care if they are black red, yellow white, brown, as long as the common denominator is GREEN!! Dig? The bullet train will bolster real estate values both private and commercial. It will lure companies to the valley from California, allowing for the possibility to commute in either direction. It shuts down the greedy airlines who jealously guard their corner on transportation to and from here. It will ease the traffic jams on I-15 , even provide developement opportunities with local stops along the way. There just isn't any thing bad that you can say about this proposal!!!!
HEY! JUST LIKE WE "OFFSHORED" OUR MANUFACTURING BASE, AND "OFFSHORED" OUR SERVICE CENTER JOBS, NOW WE'VE
"OFFSHORED" ( and OFF-STATE-ED) OUR CASINO JOBS.
Maybe it's the same people doing this at the top (checked into the INTERLOCKING BOARDS OF DIRECTORS, lately?).
felix28....."racist and bigoted people" YOU ARE SO "IN DENIAL"....enjoy the train....CHOO CHOO!
Most of the Luxurious Hotels in Las Vegas will be taken over by the State of Nevada/Poverty Pimps and transformed into "Transitional Housing" for welfare, released felons, homeless veterans, and transients. Other states will fly these people in by the tens of thousands. That's what the new industry of Las Vegas will become.....HUMAN MISERY, not to far off of what it is today. And yes, a few people will make ZILLIONS off it.
Whatever you do, don't assign any blame to G.W. Bush.
For 6 of the last 9 yrs we can blame GWB and the Republicans ... but for the next 2 years we can blame GWB and the Democrats ... and for the last 9 months [and counting] we can blame Prez Barry and the Democrats... but .. blaming the politicians [that we continue to re-appoint]isn't going to pay your bills.
Didn't Reid pass some sort of legislation recently that favored NV with extra health care of something? Maybe sick people are moving here to drink from the titty of the free milk cow?
The desert is an unforgiving environment for homeless people. I'd suggest all you out of work homeless people move to the California coast. If you are waiting for a construction or service job, quit waiting, the gig is up. The only safe jobs are 1) owning your own business that is providing a product or service that is essential or in demand or 2) Technical jobs that require a skill. If you don't have a skilled job, train for one.
Things are going to get much worse before they get better, that is obvious. Don't believe the gov when they tell you the recession is over. They don't want people to panic. Things are much worse than are being reported.
The economy went over the cliff last September. It gained downward momentum for the next four months. By the time Obama became president, the economy was heading toward a Depression. Honestly, does anybody believe that any politician from either party could have not only avoided a depression, but also returned the economy to full employment in just nine months?
Sergio_the_Prophet, the homeless & people without skills have been screaming & yelling at the top of their lungs for decades they need REAL TRAINING for TRADES/CAREERS, but have only gotten lip service and ABSOLUTELY WORTHLESS VERY EXPENSIVE TAXPAYER PAID "LIFE SKILLS" NONSENSE (how to smile wearing a name tag making min-wage & working 20 hours a week with NO BENEFITS and living on a Rescue Mission mat on the filthy floor).
I did it!!!!! Got another homeless veteran, through my connections, a job as an asst. manager with UHAUL. The VA & USVets said he was not housing or job ready because of his alcohol addiction & mental illness....only two problems with that....HE'S NOT AN ALCOHOLIC and HE'S NOT CRAZY!!!! THEY LIED TO GET HIM SIGNED UP TO THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN PROGRAMS THEY GET PAID HUGE TAXPAYER BUCKS FOR!!!!!What the POVERTY PIMPS COULD NOT DO IN 2 YEARS...I DID IN 2 WEEKS! GAWD, I'M GOOD!
People, these POVERTY PIMPS are the most crooked organized crime syndicates in the HISTORY OF THE USA (besides the federal & state governments).
Sergio, you think the gov't is going to mess around with the GDP numbers so that they can falsely claim that the recession is over? If so, couldn't they have done the same thing to convince us that we're IN a recession?
"The economy went over the cliff last September."
Really, Why? Because one of "the good ol boys" businesses was going to go belly up so Bush had to scare us into thinking that would cause a depression?
"It gained downward momentum for the next four months." Why? Bush threw almost 1 billion dollars at those financial institutions from around the world, our hard earned tax dollars! Yet nothing changed. Banks still didn't give anyone credit. If anything, they started reining in credit and cutting-up Credit Cards! That so called bank bailout was to ensure his Skull and Bones buddies wouldn't be hurt by the general financial meltdown that was coming down the pike.
"By the time Obama became president, the economy was heading toward a Depression. Honestly, does anybody believe that any politician from either party could have not only avoided a depression, but also returned the economy to full employment in just nine months?"
Our economy is based on consumption. People need credit to buy things. When the credit from their ATM's (home equity lines) dried up and the banks took their Credit Cards, of course businesses will close and people will lose their jobs! Consumer nation. No credit. Duh, no work. What could Bush or Obama have done to fix this? Give money to the thieving banks? No. Of course not. Let them go broke if they were stupid, let the whole lot go belly up! That's how a free market works! It weeds out the stupid! What Bush and Obama have done is to prop up the stupid thieves. What a surprise they hoarded the money and still don't give people loans!
The solution was obvious. Do nothing to stop the banks from going belly up. Fund new banks with no toxic notes to pick up the slack and start lending! Back the new banks with higher protection and pay people with money on the sidelines 6% interest to deposit into the new banks! Then charge anyone 9% interest to borrow, unsecured. Give our tax dollars to these new, super solvent, non toxic banks! Let the stupid banks fold, their CEO's and BOD's go broke! But that's not how our system works. See Bush's dad was a BOD of this bank and on the board of so and so drug company that owns stock and such and such financial institution, etc etc. Obama, same boss as the last boss. No new ideas, just a different propaganda MO.
More taxes are coming our way, that is certain. Soon everyone will be poor and we will become a welfare nation, low standard of living, no hope to "come up" as our parents had, no more freedom. No more liberty. A nation of hungry slaves happy for whatever crumbs are thrown their way. Obama and his ilk think Mao was a great guy. We'll soon find out what that means.
improveLV,
Of course! The first bailout was obviously Bush rushing to line the pockets of his handlers with hundreds of billions of our tax dollars before he was out of office. The bank bailouts did nothing to open line of credits, the MSM isn't following up and asking where the money went, who got what, all they say is that nobody knows. Really? They knew who they took the money from (taxpayers) but they don't know who received the billions? What kind of country allows it's leaders to rape them like this without a protest, without a word, just bushed under the carpet.
As for the end of the recession BS, that one is transparent as well. We are a consumer nation, more and more people are losing their jobs and are unable to consume. How can the recession be over? The obvious answer is that it's not, things are about to go south, and they don't want people to panic. Why not? They obviously have another 911 type event in the works that will "shock" everyone and provide an excuse for the coming depression, that will ensue the new man made event. At that point, they will be able to rationalize martial law, the end of our freedoms and rights as Americans, and usher in their long dreamed "world government" that will ensure things never go back to how they were before. This will happen next year sometime. How do I know? They keep telling people to "hold out til 2010, things will be fine by then", that's how I know. I know the nature of the beast. He can't deceive me.
I am 47 years old & reside with my wife & 13 year old son 50 miles north of NYC. I graduated in 1990 with a Master of Public Administration degree from Pace University. I have close to 20 years of credit, customer service, administrative, financial & managerial experience. My wife is a teacher's aide.
Back in 10/08, my position as the Senior Lease Administrator for a major manufacturer was eliminated after six years due to managerial & organizational changes. Within those six years, I obtained both a Chairman's Award & a Customer Service award.
Since 10/08, I have posted my resume on over 80 different job sites. I have had a total of five interviews since 10/08 & I have not landed one of those jobs. If it was not for a temporary 7 week project, I would officially be unemployed for over a year.
While I was attending graduate school in the late 1980's, I was addressing the issues that are affecting the very fabric of American society today. Those issues included the outsourcing of quality jobs; health care; the growing disparity between rich & poor; environmental concerns; the decay of our infrastructure; campaign reform; homelessness; education; Social Security & other entitlements. I can go on & on.
There is something fundamentally wrong where our elected officials can pass tax payer funded billions in bailout packages quickly for their friends on Wall St., in various financial sectors, etc. & yet average Americans who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own have to beg for financial aid? It is a travesty of justice, period.
I truly believe that unemployment benefits should continue indefinitely until a job is found.
Every week, you read that another 400K jobs are lost. How are people suppose to find employment when there is so much competition for the jobs that are available, however menial?
As I stated, I have been on a total of 5 interviews. On one interview, there were over 650 applicants.
My parents, who are in their late 70's, reside in FL & who are semi-retired because they can't make ends meet (another travesty of justice), mentioned that there were 2 postal positions available & over 5,000 applicants.
"County's jobless rate increases to record 13.9 percent"
"190,700 people are out of work statewide"
clark county == state?
While I was attending graduate school, I was also espousing the concept of a Federal Flat tax where everyone would pay their fair share. For example, individuals making $25K/year or less would not pay any Federal taxes; Couples making $40K/year or less would not pay any Federal taxes. Anything above those thresholds would be taxed at lets say 15% with no deductions.
Just think how much revenue would be generated. You wouldn't need such a big IRS & the elected officials (most of whom are attorneys & millionaires) wouldn't be able to manipulate the loopholes in the complicated tax codes that are written.
Just think about where the revenue can go. It can be used for a universal health care program; it can go to repair our infrastructure; education; affordable housing; environmental concerns; Social Security & other entitlements; even job training programs.
The problem is what I am advocating goes against the very fabric of what America has become over the course of decades. What America has become is a country of GREED! There is no sense of community; of looking out for a common good. What have we left our children & future generations?
I am not saying it is too late to reverse what we all, in one way or another, caused. What would be required is a radical change at how we look at ourselves & others.
Are we all willing to eliminate the deductions that Congress has enacted over the course of many decades in order to provide a brighter future for our children & future generations? Are we all willing to be ostracized, criticized & possibly alienated by special interest groups, lobbyists, friends, neighbors, even elected officials because what I am advocating steps on their own selfish, vested interests?
It is a travesty of justice that a very select few can run for office. Just think about it. It costs millions of dollars to run for a Senate or House seat when the position itself pays approximately $160K/year. It doesn't make sense. Do you really think these individuals that run care about any of us? Of course they don't. They only run because of the perks, power, status & prestige.
I can go on & on. What I am trying to do is help by having everyone think outside the box & not just be robots.
If everyone would just close their eyes, try to put themselves in other people's shoes & listen to songs like Imagine by John Lennon; Little Man by Alan Jackson & A Different World by Bucky Covington & really understand what is being said, maybe, just maybe, real change for the betterment of society, our children & future generations would happen.
In conclusion, unemployment benefits are not a handout. It is something that is vital for millions of Americans like myself. I didn't ask to be in this position. I gave my heart & soul to my most recent employer only to be stabbed in the back. It is a benefit that is needed to stabilize society as a whole. Each week, it appears that another 400K people lose their jobs.
To all who are still employed, I ask that you call Senators & support continuous unemployment extensions because at the end of the day & the way things are going, you may be joining us. Again, try to close your eyes & put yourselves in those shoes. Quite scary, disconcerting & disheartening isn't it? Something to truly think about!
Thank you for the time & consideration.
Sincerely,
Ron1
To all:
What we, as average Americans, either employed or unemployed are losing sight of is the fact that the very wealthy run this country, period.
They are a select few who maliciously & purposely manipulate the system for their own selfish greed. These are the individuals, who unfortunately, as Americans, we have to vote for because they are the only ones that have the resources to run for office. They are the ones that write the complicated tax codes just to maintain their own financial interests & the interests of their friends on Wall St., various financial sectors, etc.. It doesn't matter if they are Democratic, Republican or Independent. The are all the same & they are pitting the average citizen against each other.
The disparity between rich & poor & the concentration of wealth that these individuals have vis-a-vis average Americans is disgusting, disheartening, disconcerting & most importantly, DANGEROUS!
They enact policies that exacerbates the current unemployment crisis at an alarming rate; they are the ones that are polarizing & dividing the very fabric of America.
Our local, state & Federal governments are no longer, "For the People & By the People." It is time to take back what is rightfully ours & the only way to do that is by looking deep inside ourselves & deciding what is most important.
Unemployment compensation is not a HANDOUT in any way, shape or form. Again, it is a benefit that we are all entitled to. It stabilizes the very base & fabric of society. It is a safety net in a time of severe economic crisis. The average American didn't create this mess. The mess was created by the group that I mentioned in the previous comment. Our fault lies in the fact that we didn't stop them & hold them accountable for their actions. The main reason we didn't stop this fiasco is because we are all too busy with our own lives. We are all too busy of trying to get ahead at any cost. We all forgot about the concepts of community, sharing, honesty, integrity, ethics & values.
I would love the opportunity of having Senators & individuals who are against unemployment benefits come to my 2 bedroom residence & look me, my wife & 13 year old son straight in the eyes & see the fear. Taking the preceding one step further, have them look into the eyes of single mothers & fathers trying to make ends meet; look into the eyes of individuals in their late 60's or 70's who have worked all their lives & continue to work because they can't make ends meet &/or because they lost everything due to the actions of a greedy few. It is a travesty of justice. It goes against everything America stands for!
If we all don't make hard choices & come together, we are not going to leave anything worthwhile for our children & future generations to come.
We all need to come together & re-evaluate what is important. From my perspective, what is important is family, values, honesty, integrity, ethics & community. We are all one. It doesn't matter what our socio-economic background it; it doesn't matter whether or not we were fortunate enough to attend higher level academic institutions. I can go on & on.
The very individuals that run this country are manipulating us so we bicker among ourselves so they can continue policies that serve their not only their own financial interests, but the financial interests of their wealthy friends. They are diverting attention from where it really needs to be addressed.
Remember, this is not just an unemployment benefit issue. As previously stated, it is just one extremely important piece of the puzzle. Again, it is a piece that provides a lifeline & security to millions & those millions include single mothers & fathers with children; families, extended families; veterans; the elderly. It may even be providing assistance to your brother, sister, cousin, close friend, etc. You get my point.
No one can actually put themselves in other people's shoes. But if all have empathy, sympathy & caring in our hearts & we use those wonderful traits & close our eyes for a moment & possibly try to feel what others are going through, wonderful things will start to happen. Just listen to songs like Imagine; Little Man & A Different World. You will be surprised how it will hit home & possibly make an internal difference.
My goodness some of these posts are halarious and downright delusional! I couldn't make some of this stuff up if I tried....LOL
Sergio_the_prophet:
I find it quite interesting that you can change hats so quickly.
To all:
My apologies for getting off the the jobless rate discussion but you might want to read what Sergio_the_prophet espouses on the "Republican Strategy No Help To Those In Need" blog.
In fact, it is imperative that they are read because of the ignorance, hatred, incitement, racism, etc. The comments are scary, disheartening & disconcerting.
MountainBreeze:
I am curious as to which posts or comments you are referring. Please elaborate.
The the ones with the paranoid/conspiracy theory bent.
We really can only blame ourselves for the mess this country is in. Our never ending desire for material goods that were being bought on credit. Now that credit has run out and now we whine? This countries growth since WWII or WWI continued since they really were just one war has been based on credit. The way to defeat communsim that Marx argued for was negated by the rich feeding the masses little pieces of the pie and making them think they had it good. Now the masses are waking up to the fact that they were conned all these years and are not happy. No one forced us to buy more house than we could afford, no one forced us to buy big suburban assult vehicles, no one forced us to buy xboxes, or any other toy for that matter. We chose to fall into the trap that was laid out in front of us. Now that we are caught in the trap it is someone else who is at fault? I do not think so.
This is what happens when you don't diversify.
Ron just wants to raise our taxes so that he can live the rest of his life collecting welfare for a job that has been outsourced, lost, or otherwise disappeared. Typical liberal response. Why not take the conservative route Ron and take a job delivering pizza's, driving a limo, or how about this, open a janitorial service and clean toilets! Anything is more honorable than mooching off us working folk and businesses.
As for my postings on that other thread, they are apropos. I only drop bombs when warranted. Don't get me started!
Sergio_the_Prophet:
I love how you misconstrue discourse to fit your own agenda.
If policies that I discussed in graduate school such as a Federal Flat Tax without any deductions was implemented, there would be enough revenue to go around to finance unemployment benefits, period. Everyone would be paying their fair share.
There would also be enough revenue for universal health care; enough revenue for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid & other entitlements; education; campaign reform & infrastructure repair among others.
The problem is that my ideas stepped on the toes of our elected officials, special interest groups, lobbyists, etc.
I am not asking for our taxes to be raised. Our taxes will need to be raised for other reasons including the billions in taxpayer funds that were used to bail out the crooks on Wall St. & in the various financial sectors. They caused this mess because of GREED, GREED & MORE GREED.
I guess you don't mind your tax dollar helping the multi-millionaire crooks.
Of course I was against the bailouts! I've posted as much here and offered ideas of what could have been done to save our economy, being that I'm a generous guy.
I'm not opposed to a flat tax, as long as it is low enough. (20% for instance) However, what is in the works is a 20% VAT tax, a carbon tax, and other new taxes. This will cripple industry and business and the middle class. It won't cost me a thing by the way. All of the profits created in my Corp are distributed to an S corp and then any profits left over after modest wages are funded to several trusts and a family limited partnership. ie. I don't pay taxes. My accountant learned this trick from the Kennedy's, works like a charm and is legal. A flat tax would cost me plenty, that's true, but guess what, the people who make laws are in my shoes, with assets and trusts. They're not going to screw themselves, that wouldn't make any sense, would it? Dem - Rep, what's the difference? Both are power hungry rich people, period.
If you want to put people back to work, give us business owners tax incentives and tax breaks and reasons to put our money back into our businesses! Why should I leave my wealth in my business where the gov will take it when I can funnel it off to a tax free trust that can be spent in a tax friendly country without any recourse?
Everyone hates the rich greedy business people, but fact is, without a boss you don't have a job.
Ron, spent less time posting and more time working.
Sergio_the_Prophet:
Just what I have been saying since my days in graduate school. It is individuals like you that manipulate the system at the expense of everyday citizens. It is people like you that contributed to the economic mess that we are in. It is capitalism going astray. It is the concentration of wealth in the hands of a very few.
I truly don't know how you can live with yourself while there is homelessness, poverty; an infrastructure that is falling apart. I can go on & on.
I truly feel sorry for you. You may have financial wealth but it appears you are missing something more important & that is a heart for your fellow citizens.
There are a lot of posts and I don't have time to read them all, I just want to have my say.... but has anyone yet suggested that we blame the Democrats? I'm sure it is their fault. And has anyone yet made the connection between Obama saying people who go to Las Vegas are committing treason in February and the local recession that started before he made those comments?
Well, even if someone has pointed that out, it never hurts to repeat things no matter how stupid they might sound. Obama said that Americans should be shot for going to Las Vegas in 2009. It was such a powerful statement that it actually caused our businesses to experience trouble going back to 2008. He needs to be voted out of office before he ends up sending our troops into a quagmire in Iraq.
Sergio_the_Prophet:
Please don't take offense to the following but it appears that you are the type of entrepreneur, if given the chance, to pimp women for prostitution related services & make money off of it.
Please comment as I am truly interested in your rebuttal.
Ron,
I do have a some problems with people like you Ron, please don't take it personal, just being real. You spend years getting a liberal education then you feel entitled to financial security? Let's face it. Most of the high paying cushy jobs are given to insiders, fraternity brothers and sisters, etc, not the avg Joe. This will never change in my opinion. One must go out and forge their own trail in order to earn financial security! Most jobs these days have no security, and moving forward, I don't see that changing.
Based on what you've said, I would suggest you try to land a teaching job somewhere or work for the gov in some social capacity. There are plenty of those types of jobs available. DC is growing I heard. Just a heads up.
Believe me when I say I'm not the problem. I have maybe 2M in liquid assets, that is nothing compared to the wealth that the 'elites' have stolen from the people! I'm still working to expand my businesses and start new businesses. I donate at least 10% of my income to charity that help children, mostly children of homeless or very needy people with shoes, gifts during the holidays, and shelter for their families. Single homeless people, don't donate there, but I do feel people should help the homeless families that want to work but can't find work. Those are worthy charities in my opinion.
FOGCITY
"How many of the unempoyled are recent transplants from out-of-state, and will they go back to their home state or some other state if there is work to be had?"
If you have any RECENT transplants looking for work coming here,,they deserve to not find a job.I got a friend in a small town outside of charlotte,and HE knows las vegas is the worst for getting hired.do some research,before you come and clog up the stats,,stay where you are I guarantee its better than this xxxxhole
peace out
Ron the Prophet.
I do own a bar and casino in Costa Rica that does allow prostitutes on the premise to work the crowds, but prostitution is legal in CR. Some of the sweetest women I've ever met, just thinking about them makes me want to go back there as of yesterday!
That's not how I made my money however. I started as a landscape architect in the Silicone Valley area of CA, became a day trader with money I made with my business, and was lucky enough to be at the right place at the right time, made fortunes, lost fortunes. Ended up inventing a product that I manufacture, health related, popular, you may own one, lol. Alternative medicine has been my chosen field of research and study last 10 years. I loath drug companies, the gov once I discovered many things I wish I never learned, especially on the occult level. I don't fit the mold of most Nazi's, now do I, lol.
Sergio:
I am not sure how to respond anymore. You like a Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde. You wear two hats. It's like a split personality. At least, from what you are saying, give something back to the less fortunate in our society.
Just to let you know, I was never aggressive in corporate America because I couldn't step on toes to get ahead. I always thought hard work, ethics, value & dedication would be enough.
I am currently seeking employment in a social related field so I can try to help others.
Sergio:
Do you condone the fact that some women have to prostitute themselves because of various reasons? Do you enjoy making money off of them?
If anything, from my perspective, it degrades them & brings down society even more.
I don't condone it, I just allow them to work in my bar because they make a good living selling their services to Americans who are happy to pay $20-$60 for their services. We don't make any money from them. We do make sure the girls are "legal" and are keeping on top of their medical clearances, are old enough, etc. Huge fines if we don't do that, and I'm happy to abide by their laws. I'm an independent thinker and believe the gov should stay out of peoples personal lives unless children are involved in any way. I'm for legalized pot, as that alone would take a huge chunk out of the drug companies coffers if people could self medicate with a drug that is 100x's safer than their fluoride containing toxic drugs.
I wish you luck Ron, you sound like a nice guy. Most people who know me as a generous, nice guy would be quite upset to know of some of my real beliefs. This form is a place where I can vent and say the politically incorrect things I believe but can't say in public. However, I can't express my views and why I believe in public because the second you bring us a sensitive topic you're branded a Nazi or racist or whatever. I have Jewish friends who I do discuss these topics with however, and they get quite riled up when I try to get them to read this or that, but I am proud to say that I have convinced quite a number of old school jews to oppose Zionism, mostly because they were religious and knew the bible. I know this is a sensitive topic however and I get an F in civility for playing that card, mia culpa.
Wow... I can't help it... has it become the Ron and Sergio show? Might as well start your own f'in forum and chew each other out, why don't ya? Why not stop posting on this NEWS ARTICLE and hash it out somewhere else, because quite honestly, both of you are just wasting your time... no one reads it, and no one cares.
I wasn't saying that unemployed people coming to Las Vegas. I was referring to people who came to LV when things were good. Now that so many jobs have been lost, will they be willing to wait and hope things recover in LV or will they go back home?
it's probably really closer to 30%. on the retail side, it is looking really, really desolate in those smaller strip malls. the ones you drive by 2X a day, but never go to any of the stores.
the bullet train? are you kidding me?
that's nothing more than pork, pork, pork and will be as unused as the monorail.
and yes...they need to legalize prostitution in clark county. it's just reality that gambling alone isn't going to cut it anymore.
Sergio_the_prophet:
Thank you for at least wishing me & my family the best. At the end of the day, we are all one & need to look out for each other.
I can honestly agree with you (which is scary) that both marijuana & prostitution should be legalized. I personally have never smoked marijuana, cigars or cigarettes.
One request. If you can at least try to tone down some of the rhetoric, it would truly be appreciated. Again, the Holocaust & some of the other comments just hit a raw nerve.
Be well & take care.
@theviolet41:
My apologies for getting off the topic. My original intent was to articulate positions in favor of extending unemployment benefits to all who truly need them. There are just not enough jobs being created for the millions who are unemployed. The benefit provides safety net for society as a whole.
fogcity
i wasnt taking a shot at you,,just stating that really if anybody has moved to vegas in the last 2 yrs,,I really dont think they did much research as to the job market,,unless of course your goal is to rent,and make 8.00 hourly in a very competetive service oriented industry.I came here with 20+ years in the HVAC industry,,but still havent found anything.
I would leave tomorrow if possible,but my mom needs transportastion to and from Dialysis 3 times weekly,,her medicare wont pay for all the expenses,so Im here helping her out,,but honestly I thought 2 yrs ago I would not have a problem obtaining work,,boy was i wrong,but let me reiterate my SOLE reason was not to seek out work,as i know the housing,commercial RE has dried up
I think for most of the construction workers that have completed their contract work with city center,will be out of here by the first of the year.I have a buddy that works at u haul on boulder,,and their equipment is getting booked pretty heavily,and their reservations are increasing every week,,Most are probably waiting out their benefits,,their leases,their completion date with their contractor,,etc.Then they will have a mass exodus im sure
I spoke with the business officer with the local union for sheetmetal,and he told me that city center had approximately 800 workers alone at the city center,and he expected well over 500 of them to return to their home state,unless the general contractor has another bid on another project,,maybe in dubai lol.
EDIT
800 workers in the sheetmetal dept,,not 800 total.I think the total for that project alone was 5-6,ooo,im not sure,but I know that in my community,there were about 5-6 that were up at 4am,,had trucks,hardhats,etc,,and they are all gone as we speak,,maybe went back home,,or texas for another construction gig.
Im sorry for going a little off parrallel with comments,,but the bottom line I believe is the unemployment rate is alot higher than stated,,like others on this board have said
also we have the commercial RE loans resetting,,so that will be figured into the states crappy statistics also next year
peace out
dont be so afraid of failure that it saboutages your own success
mikegino Aloha, I am one of those smelly tourists that you referred to. I go to Vegas at least once a year and sometimes twice if I can afford to. I love this down turn in the economy.It's made it affordable for me to put in an offer for another investment property.There is always ways to make money in any kind of economical climate.One just needs to think outside of the box.Look at the guy that was caught renting homes that he didn't own.Now that is the kind of entrepreneurial spirit that built this country.Some people let there current career define who they are.They will moan and groan how terrible their life is.I chose to make lemonade rather than suck on lemon with a sour face. On my next trip to Las Vegas to sign papers for my investment property I promise to shower before hand.
sounds like a lot of happy campers in vegas; whats gonna happen when the economy really takes a dump? this is the calm before the storm and if you depend on uncle sugar to take care of you, forget it. get off your duff and start taking care of yourself; its called the law of survival.
when city center is done, it will be like an atomic bomb hit vegas at the local level.
all those workers will probably have to move away to find work, probably the gulf coast.
i don't care what any of the p.r. people say. you're swapping good union wages being put back into the local economy for $9.00 wages. a lot more retail stores are going to close because of it.
so Vegasinsider....Because Obama was misunderstood with his comment....he created the mess in Vegas?.He did this solely alone? WOW,please tell me were you're getting your information.So Vegas alone had NOTHING to do about their own outcome? Really!! it's call GREED and VEGAS got taught with their pants down...This is global...this near depression is GLOBAL...open your eyes !!
I'm sorry to say this but many seek unemployment because it's a free ride... jobs are out there if you make an effort, and if you can't find a job and you are feeding off the unemployment perhaps you should move out of the state and stop whining about it - seriously, it's getting old listening to it
Unemployment is this high and what are Harry and Obuma doing...arguing about a healthcare plan that nobody wants. Great job guys!
Las Vegas and Nevada could be the poster child of capitalism and more than full employment. But the problem is incompetent Washington D.C. where there's now a communist regime trying to take over the economy and even our private lives. We know that Obama has no professional education or experience in the economy and still some uninformed folks voted him into office. So, no qualifications, no plan, and Obama is even Anti-American which is evident with all his speeches and all his actions. It's a clear abuse of power and Obama needs to be impeached so that true capitalists can come back into the White House.
Also, Nevada should seriously consider secession as long as the communist Obama regime is in office, because Nevada deserves better and we can sustain ourselves quite well, ... we don't have a state income tax, etc. and Washington is just sucking like parasites on our buying power and prosperity and dragging us down. So we should seriously consider secession for Nevada, because we would be much better off and would quickly become the wealthiest country in the world.
scherf_com : You really espouse garbage with your secession babble. This country is comprised of all of the states which make up most of the north American continent. What are you saying that Nevada become it's own country? HAHAHAHAHAHA!! it wouldn't last one day without the federal government to bail it out as it has since statehood was applied to this territory. You really should be glad your true name is not your user name here because folks would think your nuts!!
rejco--those are funny comments about Indian Casinos. I guess you can't talk about Indian casinos without being called racist--but here goes. Here in Calif. I've read a lot of stories about the incredible greed of the Indian casinos. They don't care about environmental issues when they build a casino. They don't give the state a fair share of taxes (and Calif. is bankrupt). The rich casinos don't give a fair share to less fortunate tribes, and the tribes that own the rich casinos have been trying to challenge the family background of some of its members in an attempt to kick them out, so that the remaining members will get a bigger share of the profits. So I was glad when I heard that the Indian casinos in Calif. are experiencing a slowdown and the need for some layoffs. (see this article http://www.indiancountrytoday.com/nation...
Incidentally, I don't think that exploiting homeless and unemployed people is the biggest growth industry now--the biggest growth industry is collection agencies going after student loan debt.
I am COMMENT #100! YES!!!!
tdoma,
I see you like to live in the real world,and tell it like it is,SO i will tell it to you like it is,,of course there are jobs out there if you look hard enough,,WOW thats breaking news,but do you really think that the construction people who are making 35-45.00 an hour,are going to accept 8-10.00..Whether theyre overpaid or not has nothing to do with it.
Unemployment pays about 522.oo weekly,so YES you have people sitting back,and collecting,,but dont be so righteous that you think you wouldnt,because your lying to yourself only.If you got a family to support you will do whatever you can to survive
LETS SEE
10.00 hourly ( even if you can find the damm job ) at 40 hours,,after taxes roughly 260-280 week OR look for unemployment hoping to find better job and make 522.00 weekly..This is such a no brainer,whether you agree with it or not.Thats an altogether different discussion
Guaranteed the people on here complaining about the handout havent lost their job,truck,credit worthiness,etc,,or you would take the money.Spin it how you want,,the unemployed know they can find a job making peanuts,,but if they have 84 weeks to find something better,all the while making more each week,,You dont think they are going to stay on unemployment right or wrong
If jobs existed that payed a livable wage,then sitting on your axx not searching is wrong,and then you would be abusing the system.
Again I dont Agree or Disagree,but FREE RIDE or NOT Fact is the money is there to collect,as long as you are seeking employment,,3 verifiable contact per week gets you paid.
peace out
scherf_com, thw downward slide in our economy start long before Obama came into office. The wheels came of in Sep/2008 can the steep decline continued through the remainder of Bush's term. That is 5 months, buddy boy. When Obama came into office, the economy was already in the toilet and on the verge of a depression, and a DOW 6500 reflected that expectation. The recovery of the stock market is one indication that we are headed in the right direction, but the damage that has been done during the prior administration was so great that it will take alot of time for our country to heal.
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Here are the facts, Jack:
1) Unemployment benefits WILL NOT continue to be extended, the last extension was it. Didn't you hear? The recession is over! This is how Obama can rationalize cutting lose the unemployed next year and letting them fend for themselves.
2) As benefits end, people will fill the u-haul and move somewhere else, anywhere but Vegas! Less competition for those who are left (mostly rich and illegals needed to cut grass, flip hamburgers, etc)
3) Schools will become less cluttered. No more need to build new schools every year! Within 2 years, Vegas will have some of the smallest classroom sizes in the USA I predict.
4) Those who have plenty of cash on hand will be able to buy up the assets of the moving folk for pennies on the dollar. Houses, cars, and other assets can now be had for pennies on the dollar. Cha ching ching!
5) All of those bimbo's who spent all of their money on fake boobs and designer handbags will have to find a real job in the future. Not enough rich guys to go around honey, sorry. I predict someday you'll roll up to a McDonald's to find a hottie with 38DD's asking you "Do you want to supersize that". Sure do baby!
It tickles me pink when I see God's wrath pouring upon the degenerates of this planet, the baby killers, the wife beaters, the alcoholics, etc. "But some good people are being swept away by this economic tsunami, not just the sinners". The good, conservative folks have saved their money, avoided debt, and have stockpiles of food, they'll be fine. We've known for quite some time this was coming down the pike. We were mocked and laughed at while the rest of the world went on the shopping sprees, driving shiny new foreign cars while I drove a American made truck or sedan. Karma indeed.
AMEN SERGIO
Nowhere in this country is there a more DISTINCT class line,,you either have money or you dont
Thanks for the FACTS
I have already started noticing around towm,,employees way out of there element just trying to survive,not generalizing,but that clean cut white guy,middle aged,no tattoos,and his pants pulled up to his waist,,Spinning the sign on eastern/215.Dont tell me that is normal
peace out
I am 105!!
lol...god, sergio is a moron. in his feeble little mind he thinks everyone that voted republican still has a job.
The Prophet despises Bush Repubicans (Neocons) as much as he despises Obama-Reid-Pelosi and the Marxist cabal. The Prophet despises all evil and wickedness, and the so called "two party system" to the Prophet is nothing more or nothing less than a circle jerk for those who worship power and Lucifer at the expense of the good people of this country! You loyal Dems and Rep's make me puke, and make me welcome the destruction that is coming our way!
What I would like to know is,why is everyone trying to blame a dem (harry reid and obama)when the ecomany went down while the rep were in office!If you want to place blame put it on all the powers of the country.Why hasent anyone steped up with the anser?Do the people we put in office really care about us or do they only care about thereselfs?For they are the ones who still has a job with great pay what sentor has took a pay cut because they care about the people they serve none!I got a great ideal maybe we should outsource some jobs in the sente then we can see if that's the change they can belive in!!!
September 2009, United States Supreme Court published a ruling in the case of State of Nevada resident Abdullah Al-kidd v. United States. This ruling says that in cases of no government immunity, the government employee (elected, appointed, hired) can be sued personally. Prior to the "Honest Services Statutes", the government argued immunity. Now, government cannot argue immunity. Given our government officials have put into place regulations that make the wealthy wealthier and the poor poorer, we have the right to sue the policymakers personally.
I know that the unemployment rates posted by state and federal agencies are not correct.Considering my wife does not draw unemployment and never but is unemployed and has been looking for work for over 10 months here in Vegas.So we could almost assume that those numbers are wtered down and as election time rolls around there will be even more water added to the estimation.Harry Reid is a bum he needs to stand in line at the unemployment office himself along with all the other politicians of this state.
They need to be held accountable for their self serving actions and voted out. Nevada citizens need to stand up and insist on chang true change not elustrious presidents change.
Our leaders in this state need to be sent a message a message that will be heard around the country.
Starting a revolution of true change and oust those who have continued to acknowledge the problems of the unemployment but have done nothing to change it.We have to create jobs on the government side and the private and corperate companies will follow suit.
When is this state going to realize that a change is needed.That it starts with the fact that the leaders in place are all about self.If I was elected to a political office I would work for free for my first term and would alocate that money for projects that would have a significant positive impact in this state.What do you say about that Harry Reid, Gibbons and all the so called state leaders.Are they that committed
fogcity / tysuave77 : The economy began to become shaky once the Dems took over Congress and while it was during the time the best president in U.S. history, George W. Bush, was still in Office, the downturn in the economy was solely the responsibility of the Democrats and especially once the communist dictator Barack Hussein Obama and his cohorts took over the economy really took a turn for the worse. The U-3 unemployment data was at just around 6% under the Bush administration while during the shocking and horrible incompetent communist Obama regime the U-3 unemployment data has now soared to 9.8% while the U-6 unemployment data (that's the real unemployment data) is now above 17%.
There's no question that Obama and his cohorts are absolutely incompetent to even run a single sandwich store and that they are running the country into the ground faster than anyone else would be able to do.
Under the greatest president in U.S. history, George W. Bush, we had a tremendous economic prosperity with virutally full employment, high home ownership, wealth, and a booming stock market that lasted from October 2002 through October 2007, also considering that GW Bush inherited a stock market crash and a horrible state of the economy from the despicable Clinton era. Also, the honorable and most excellent George W. Bush made the country a save and comfortable place, while the communist Obama regime is trying very hard to take over private industries and even control our personal lives. We must not forget that under incompetent Obama regime many fees and taxes on various items have already increased by 359% (!!!) such as SEC fees which affects most Americans who have a 401k or any retirement savings, etc. and/or who own stocks, etc.
The "recovery" in the stock market was only a technical bounce after the massive Obama crash which took the Dow down to 6500 in a hurry. And so far, we have barely recovered from the Obama crash in the Dow, but it's a long way to go back to the high of 14,200 in the Dow to the GW Bush prosperity era. And don't even think about that unemployment is recovering any time soon as the U-6 data will soon hit 20% without question, ... and BTW thanks to the communist leader Barack Hussein Obama who doesn't have an education or experience in the economy and therefore is absolutely incompetent to be in Office.
Well, I see everyone is bitching but when it comes to voting you vote for the same people time and time again. Let us get smart and vote all incumbents out of office regardless of party affiliation. Both parties are corrupt to the core! Nothing has changed. We are in this mess because of the bad decisions of our leaders, we did not get ourselves into this mess. They also only were concerned about their money, therefore the TARP and nothing for us. Germany, for instance, has unemployment wages until you find a new job, why can't we have the same, oh yes, 40% of every dollar goes towards defense and wars are necessary to make the rich richer while they brainwash us with the pledge of allegiance and being "patriotic." Are we stupid yet?
Well, to all the Nay Sayers of the so called "Greedy Rich/Wealthy", of which I absolutely am not...
I have one thought that keeps sticking in my mind:
I have NEVER worked for a Poor Boss.
If He/She where not rich, I would not have a job.
So IMO, sticking it to the wealthy does not cure anything.
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