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A new report shows 69.5 percent of homeowners in Las Vegas are underwater on their mortgages. That compares with about 23 percent of homeowners nationwide. A Henderson neighborhood is shown here.
Monday, Nov. 30, 2009 | 8:30 a.m.
Homeowners in the Las Vegas area continue to be punished by dropping prices, with the number underwater in their mortgages surpassing 319,000 or 69.5 percent.
That's according to First American CoreLogic, which last week issued negative equity numbers for home mortgages and home equity lines of credit.
The company, based in Santa Ana, Calif., found that in September, nearly 10.7 million, or 23 percent, of residential properties nationwide with mortgages were in negative equity.
First American said that negative equity, often referred to as "underwater" or "upside down," means that borrowers owe more on their mortgage than their homes are worth. Negative equity can occur because of a decline in value, an increase in mortgage debt or a combination of both.
In the Las Vegas-Paradise statistical area, 319,873 residential properties with a mortgage were in negative equity as of September, First American said.
First American said negative equity was concentrated in four states where housing markets boomed during the mid 2000s -- Nevada (a 65 percent rate), Arizona (48 percent), Florida (45 percent) and California (35 percent) -- and in Michigan, 37 percent, hard-hit by the recession.
Among these top five states, the average negative equity share was 40 percent; compared to 14 percent for the remaining states.
First American made these points in its report:
--The rise in negative equity is closely tied to increases in pre-foreclosure activity. Borrowers with equity tend to have very low default rates.
--The default rate for investors with negative equity is typically 2 to 3 percent higher than owner-occupied homes with similar degrees of negative equity.
--Upside down borrowers typically financed their properties between 2005 and 2008.
--Many purchased new homes. For homes built between 2006 and 2008, the negative equity share nationwide was 40 percent.
--Many borrowers relied on adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs)
--Many bought less-expensive properties. The average value for all properties with a mortgage is $270,200, but properties in negative equity have an average value of $210,300. The average mortgage debt for properties in negative in equity was $280,000 and borrowers that were in a negative equity position were upside down by an average of nearly $70,000.
"Negative equity continues to be pervasive and to impact almost every segment of the housing market. The recent improvement in home prices this past spring and summer has slowed the increase in negative equity, but it will take a significant rebound in home prices, which we are not expecting, to offset the dampening effects of negative equity in the most depressed states," Mark Fleming, chief economist with First American CoreLogic, said in a statement.
Part of title insurance giant First American Corp., First American CoreLogic also issued statistics on September home prices from its proprietary LoanPerformance Home Price Index (HPI).
National home prices, including distressed sales, declined by 9.8 percent in September compared to September 2008, according to the First American HPI. This was an improvement over August's year-over-year price decline of 11.1 percent.
In the Las Vegas-Paradise statistical area, home prices, including distressed sales, declined 26.52 percent in September compared to September 2008. This compares to August's year-over-year HPI decline of 25.40 percent.
Excluding distressed transactions, year-over-year prices in Las Vegas in September were down 21.84 percent, compared to August, down 21.21 percent.
Through September 2010, First American predicts Las Vegas-Paradise home prices, including the affects of distressed sales, will fall 1 percent.
"The new First American CoreLogic HPI Forecast anticipates continued declines in most markets, albeit at a slowing rate, for the next six months, followed by a rebound in the spring. Above-average levels of foreclosures, inventories and unemployment will continue to take their toll in many major metropolitan markets in the short term. As the economy continues to improve and these factors improve, the forecast calls for housing prices to bottom for most markets by March 2010 and then turn positive,'' the company said in a statement.
The First American numbers for September in Las Vegas are in line with those in the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Indices, which found prices locally fell for the 37th consecutive month through September.
Las Vegas prices fell 0.9 percent from August and were down 28.6 percent from September 2008, the Case-Shiller report said.
The Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors, however, reported the median price of single-family homes sold in Southern Nevada in October was $139,100, up 0.8 percent from $138,000 in September. The Realtors said the median price for Las Vegas-area condominiums and townhomes jumped 6.5 percent, from $65,720 in September to $70,000 in October.
Also, TransUnion.com of Chicago on Nov. 17 issued its third quarter mortgage delinquency report finding the ratio of borrowers 60 or more days past due increased for the 11th straight quarter, hitting an all-time national average high of 6.25 percent.
This statistic is traditionally seen as a precursor to foreclosure activity and increased from 5.81 percent in the second quarter.
Mortgage borrower delinquency rates in the third quarter continued to be highest in Nevada (14.5 percent, up from 13.8 percent in the second quarter) and Florida (13.3 percent), TransUnion.com said.
"Delinquency rates are rising and expected to peak at record levels. Until the housing market can consistently demonstrate several months of home value appreciation and the unemployment rate improves, mortgage delinquency will likely continue to rise," FJ Guarrera, vice president of TransUnion's financial services division, said in a statement. "Many of these delinquencies in places like Nevada, California and Florida will result in foreclosures, potentially keeping home values depressed in these areas."
TransUnion forecast that the delinquency rate nationwide would fall just short of 7 percent by year end, with Nevada topping the nation with a rate as high as 16 percent.
Residential real estate prices in Nevada have suffered through the recession, initially as many subprime loan borrowers quickly defaulted and later as the general recession pushed unemployment statewide to 13 percent.







Steve Green - you need to report the fact that CoreLogic changed its methodology - the old method had over 80% of Las Vegas homeowners with negative equity on their mortgage.
WSJ:
"The latest First American data aren't comparable to previous estimates because the company revised its methodology. First American now accounts for payments made by homeowners that reduce principal, and it no longer assumes that home-equity lines of credit have been completely drawn down."
Not me I bought when the market bottomed out for 45% less than than it sold new for 3 years earlier!
Point is that even if you bought at the 'bottom' you'll still be in for a steep ride down.
15 years before prices come back up..
When the average working man (as in "mankind" for you pusillanimous types) can't afford to buy a home on his salary then our country is lost. A lot of a home's cost is government add-ons, like the planners, permits, &c.
Vegas is HISTORY!! Get out while you can!
70% today. I wonder where we will be after 2010?
i love vegas, but for millions of americans the thought of a $3,000 3 day weekend is long gone and without that tourism, nothing will get this town moving again.
and our mayor?
what is focusing on?
that's right, a sports stadium.
nice.
Vegas is not history and if you think it is why are you still here? I just bought a condo for $53,900 that sold at its peak for $219,000. I don't expect to make any money for a while but in case you haven't heard thousands of investors like me or buying up your mistakes. Vegas isn't history because it was built on the unshakeable foundation of greed. When you woke up in 2007 and realized your house was worth 100% more than a couple of years ago, most of you kept it, why? Greed. When tourists come and win $100.00 in a slot machine, they keep playing, why? Greed. Vegas will come back...it just needs to right sized first. All these incredibly stupid new casino's will not help the cause however, but then again, they were built on greed.
KillerB said:
When the average working man (as in "mankind" for you pusillanimous types) can't afford to buy a home on his salary then our country is lost. A lot of a home's cost is
government add-ons, like the planners, permits, &c.
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Thanks for the laughs,...
I can just imagine what it would be like to live in you're household...ha ha ha ha......
WOOHOOOO!
Time to BUY BUY BUY and RENT RENT RENT!
One mans pain is another mans profit.
Harry Reid has a plan....
And this comes on the heels of a story on Saturday about real estate 'coming back' and realtors being 'cautiously optimistic'... ugh!
It's like trying to catch a falling knife...
Realtors still trying the same tactics they used before, with lowball prices, then 'sham buyers' with 'multiple offers', trying to ratchet the price up...huge scams that got busted in Florida in and around Sarasota, Tampa, St. Pete, Orlando, and they're here too...
I'm still on the sidelines, with cash, no debt...when housing gets to around the average of $70/sq. ft., I will make a reasonable offer, in cash, take it or leave it...that's just a heads up to any real estate hacks that try the 'multiple offer' thing on me...wowsers!
And people really do think that there is only 1 trick to white teeth, and the Las Vegas Mom makes $3000 a day posting ads for Google at home, and the acai berry weight loss is true cause I read Jenny's and Mary's and Terry's blogs and they all said the same exact thing!!!
I dislike people who prey on the unfortunate and the desperate, but at the same time, if you fall for the scam without some due diligence, you need to take responsibility and own up to it...
Wellwellwell : Your optimism is most encouraging, however dude, look at the whole picture. This state has only gaming and tourism to sustain itself. There is no real industry to speak of, no silicon valley high tech business. It's possible that solar and wind technology industry could be cultivated, however this takes time and money which the state has very little of at this point. The only thing that will turn things around here are an improved national economy, and a re boot if you will of more sane population numbers to fit the available jobs. Yes I'm saying that a whole lot of people need to leave this state, and soon!
David1961 -- care to clarify?? Otherwise you're just showing us how much you're in touch with your inner buffoon, and completely irrelevant to this Discussion.
I guess the predictions of Vegas being overbuilt have finally come true, at least with regard to the housing industry.
and the experts say...
now is a great time to buy...
hee hee hee!!!
Once LV regains its economic footing it will be at a level less than what the current casinos need to stay solvent. The stronger of the casinos will survive - they'll all have to struggle with lowered room rates until the weaker ones close up. Once that is done, then that will dictate the number of workers needed in the right-sized gambling sector. That in turn will dictate the number of homes and commercial space that will be needed. It will probably mean boarded up homes because for now there are more homes than there are working people who can afford them. How many of the homes purchased are from investors? LV housing will not be stable as long as investors are a big part of the buying. With all of the local Indian casinos that are being built, it is unlikely that LV will ever see the number of visitors at the level they saw in 2006/2006. But LV is still a unique place and will remain one of the must-see cities in the U.S. so although bloodied they will not be KO'ed.
blame Obama? Reid? they forced LV home owners to live beyond their means-with little down payment and buying a house that one year cost $100,000 and the next year costs $300,000? it would be refreshing for once if adults would stop whining, get educated before buying a house or just fess up to their mistakes (living on credit and greed) and start a fresh dialogue. also who forced most major companies to ship job overseas, to raise rents, to raise the state interest rate (it was voted on right?) Obama was not in office or at your home when you decided to live above your means.
I work at a welfare office, the majority of citizens seeking help are not illegals they look like your fav president Bush
I bought a nice 2br condo in 2006, put $60k down and now it's about $40k up-side-down. It rents at a break even so it's not costing me to much each month, but just knowing that any money I put into it is lost, is hard to live with. I didn't buy it to re-sell, bought it as a 2nd home in the future, and to help provide rental housing until then. I don't know how long I will be able to live with the negative equity knowing that I can transfer my loss to the lender anytime I want, by making no further payments. Knowing that 70% of LV property owners are in the same situation is pretty scary. My bet is a least half will stop making payments in the next 1-2 years?
The only way I can see to get out of this situation is to "average" out my loss by buying another property at a depressed price, then when prices go back up I'll get back the money I lost on my first purchase, they'll only have to go up half of what they went down for me to be even. I am convinced prices will go back up because of (a) inflation, (b) increased cost of building materials, (b) Dollar losing value, (c) increased cost of labor, and (d) increased need for housing.
The big unknown is how much more will prices fall, and when to buy? With so many under water I am thinking we can't see the bottom until most of the 70% either walk away and the home are foreclosed and sold, or prices go back up returning their equity. My guess is that most of the 70% won't be able to hang in their and will walk away in the next 1-2 years causing prices to bottom, maybe down another 35-40% from now? But then, how many more will be under water? I'm sitting with cash waiting and watching and would rather be a bit late to buy, rather than early.
If one borrows money and fails to pay it back (foreclosure), They should not be allowed a new mortgage until they repay the old one. I kept the little house I bought in 1987 when everyone was saying "time to get out and move up". I stayed with my small house and small payments. Those who laughed at me as they showed off their new overpriced place are now getting laughed at by me as they move into an apartment!!!! Just because someone is upside down on a loan doesn't exxcuse them from their responsibility. Enjoy that apartment folks, the money I saved over the years just might buy your forclosed house at 1/3 the price!
And what about the new CityCenter. Any buyer that closes on one of these condo without getting a 50-70% discount is a fool, and any lender that gives a mortgage at more than a 30-40% LTV of the original contract price is also a fool! Maybe we will be able to buy a CityCenter condo for under $100k in a few years?
I see nothing but urban and suburban decay setting in now and well into the future. Squatters, rodents, bugs, poison mosquitos from green swimming pools, bees, hornets, wasps, junkie flophouses, rampant crime, roaming bands of gangs menacing the hood, Home owners armed to the teeth with shotguns all under the bright lights of the Plaza Hotel renamed "Biff's" (Back To The Future 111) LOL!!
Good thing I pay everything in full.
People should really consider their situations...
hmm a house is worth $300,000. I don't even have any of that money saved up, let alone, how am I sure I will have the same job or a better one the next 30 years?
I remember a construction worker I knew about 3 years ago . He said things are going Great Guns here...but boy if it stops it's sure is going to be a HUGE MESS !!! He has a high school education and knew more than our Top Economic Experts !!!
there's too many mormons crawling around for us to ever be like amsterdam.
look, vegas is over. it's now just a slow slide downward.
first it was economic with the lack of tourism and the housing market.
now we're in the crime stage with crime getting worse and worse.
next it's physical when all the unsold homes start to fall apart and vandalism sets in.
there are hundreds if not thousands of vacant homes in vegas that haven't even GONE to foreclosure yet.
I think the best thing to replace the Construction industry would be the Destruction industry. Once all the eyesore properties are eliminated and that goes belly up... build again.
It's that darn "who's gonna pay for it" thing that bites (Chinese investors?). All gov't needs to do is create good condemnation laws.
Who got rich on the derivatives? Seems all the banks, all the homeowners, all the investors, all [everybody] lost. Seems fishy (ha, pun!)
I'm afraid LV is toast. As another said, it depends on tourisim. That will be fatal.
Real estate developers are brain dead. They do great when times are good, and bust like water balloons when economy goes in the toilet. It's because their whole purpose for existing is based on growth. No growth, no developers.
It's even more shocking that MGM Mirage who was already close to bankruptcy, and Dubai World who is obviously now in major financial trouble, were both involved in the "CityCenter" project.
Las Vegas income has fallen off a cliff, MGM is broke, Dubai is broke, and what's their plan? Borrow more money to build even bigger failures that will go bust with even a bigger bang.
Mind you the backdrop for all this is: World food supplies at historic low levels, looming water shortages, and in about 24 months global Oil supply will no longer meet demand.
After that, Oil rationing, game over. Leisure and tourisim travel will come to a standstill. Hotels, Restaurants, Resorts, Airlines will all be empty.
Great time to build more mega resorts huh?
There's nothing like the good news posted immediately above to cheer us all up!
We ain't see nothing yet. Look at the crime spike that is occurring already. And just wait until our well-armed, entitled "citizens" start to realize their jobs aren't coming back. They are going to look for someone to blame when the unemployment checks stop and the food pantries are empty.
Think I'm being alarmist? Want to laugh? Go ahead. But give it another year and let's see where things are. People then will be treating today like the Good Old Days, comparatively speaking.
70%? is that all?
This is a no win situation for current home owners,especially those who bought HIGH. No way can the county lower property taxes based on lower value.You have those who don't need to move and those those that must.You have those who bought low and will only lose a bigger profit.Then you have those that bought high who IF THEY DON'T hang in for years will never see any sort of profit.I believe this will bottom out this coming year,but don't expect to make any money on real estate until your grandchildren are all grown up. These FLIPPERS are still out there...they need to wake up and smile the roses...those days are long over.
SO MANY EXPERTS!!!
gmag39 : What are you ?
A teenager killed a woman and the teen was drunk. 6 teenagers killed a cop and in the process destroyed a family as well. A man was shot outside CVS and a man was killed during an armed robbery in his apt. How many people need to die before actions are taken???
This is a city, so who cares, right? Happens everywhere? WTF!!! But citycenter and citycenter and citycenter and citycenter and citycenter... Best joke in town!
Now, everybody will lose their home. Really??? You don't say! I love this city. I can't wait to see who dies next, or what business will fail, or what fact of life will come out in a study that people should have already known a long time ago. Now" in the end, its just sad:(
I like the 'destruction derby' idea posted above...let's have an implosion party...put it on Bravo or Tru TV...what a show...a house a week and this show could run ten years or more...take care of the oversupply problem here...
Life is good. Just bought a $435.000 house in peccole ranch for $205.000 . Thank you las vegas my monthly will be $1,400 a month. l have friends in apartments that are paying over a grand a month.
environ....GET OUT OF THIS ROOM!!! If you DO live in Vegas than MOVE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT! AND If you dont even live here then get off our newspaper and go complain about something in YOUR OWN TOWN.
Vegas will be FINE... People like you are DUMB. LA and NYC are BROKE but yet Vegas lives on. People like you come and go like the ups and downs of our economy.
whatadeal, congrats. But it never was a 435,000. It always should have been a 205,000 house. Now that all of the excess has for the most part been wrung out, you did get at the very least a good deal. It is probable that while certain neighborhoods will suffer from abandoned homes and possibly section 9 rentals, your neighborhood will hopefully avoid that scourge and retain its value or even recover to the upside.
MAGSNY1999 : I DO live here and have for many more years than you probably have been alive! Back in 1959, I was throwing dice at El Rancho Vegas! So don't tell me to get out of this room. youngster...
Go to County Assessor's website. Many homeowners
living in their homes are paying the 8% percent
cap property tax. Someone forgot to tell them
they only need to pay 3%.????? Tax division isn't telling them. Title closing isn't telling them. Clark County has been collecting taxes that isn't owed to them. People file your paper that says you are a live in homeowner. Check your tax rate. A lot of homes were lost because
of TARP when mortgage co.s jumped in and paid
property taxes and then the homeowner only had
30 days to make arrangements with the mortgage co. to pay back the TARP taxes!!!!!Some didn't open their mail in time and lost their houses to
the tarp tax scam.
Vegas has been ruined by the corporate terrorists!
Not a single tax dollar should go into subsidizing development of any housing, gaming or retail development. Not one. We have more than enough of all three to last us a good 10 years at least, and anything the taxpayer "invests" directly or indirectly in such projects will simply line some developer's pocket and do nothing for the community. And the unfortunate reality is that too many of our elected officials, on both sides of the aisle, are tied at the hip to these dinosaur special interests & obsolete economic models.
Our tax dollars must be focused on a)maintaining a solid social services net for the less fortunate (especially the more vulnerable young & old), one that discourages permanent dependency & aggressively attacks fraud, waste & abuse; b)supports educational accomplishments, not educational bureuacracies, a key economic & social development factor; and c)encourages job creation outside the casino/retail/housing sectors, largely through targeted tax relief.
"airweare" probably has a point -- sin sells, and the mj impact on LV won't be any worse than the alcohol, tobacco, and prescription meds we already deal with. Personally, I've found stoners to be far less confrontational & violent than drunks. And while neither should be behind the wheel, anyone who'd abuse mj is probably abusing alcohol & other drugs anyway, so I doubt we're saving anything or anyone by criminalizing it. Maybe it's time we try legalizing the production, distribution and sales of mj within the state of NV, taxed & regulated like alcohol & tobacco. It won't solve all our problems, but it would probably help in the short term to reduce violent/gang crime and increase tax revenues.
Another point not mentioned so far, LasVegas has growing competition. All the states now have gambling, Indian ground casinos, etc. CA is now talking about legalizing Marijana, with the state as the only drug dealer. Other states are talking about legalizing prostitution, and some are considering opening their own state run brothels.
Gambling, drugs, prostitution isn't that the mafia's turf? Wake up folks, our government IS the new mafia. They will do anything to generate money to fund their bankrupt pensions including selling drugs to our kids.
They know they can't get it from our taxes, only 58% of the people in this country still work. 42% don't pay any income tax. Property values will never be as high again in our lifetime.
The states will be increasingly desperate for money, and they will do anything to get it. Las Vegas will soon have loads of competition for selling vice.
MarkP says: 15 years before prices come back up..
That's not what a mortgage broker or used house salesman will tell you.....Buy NOW, there has never been a better time to buy and house prices don't go down. Hahahahahha