LV companies in denial about problem gambling
Fri, Nov 20, 2009 (3 a.m.)
If a co-worker has a few too many drinks during an after-work get-together, it’s common for a colleague to take his car keys away. Maybe the colleague or a supervisor would keep an eye on him for other telltale signs of alcohol abuse.
But that isn’t the way it usually works with a gambling addict, panelists said at the National Center for Responsible Gaming’s conference on gambling and addiction Nov. 16 at Mandalay Bay.
Although most big employers have wellness programs to address destructive behavior brought on by addictions and several gaming companies have problem gambling awareness programs to spot troubled customers, few workplace programs are in place to assist employees whose gambling is out of control.
“How do we communicate or educate our employees about these issues? The answer is: We don’t,” said Punam Mathur, NV Energy vice president of human resources, who spent 13 years as a senior vice president at MGM Mirage.
Although Las Vegas is the epicenter of the gaming industry, few local employee assistance programs directly address problem gambling, said Carol O’Hare, executive director of the Nevada Council on Problem Gambling.
Some experts eventually arrive at the conclusion that problem gambling is at the heart of a workplace issue, O’Hare said, but it’s usually after other issues are eliminated. O’Hare said it concerns her that problem gambling isn’t even on some checklists.
Although gambling is so accessible in Las Vegas — at casinos, supermarkets and convenience stores — there is no conclusive evidence that the percentage of employees suffering addictive gambling behavior is any higher than in other places, she said. But she also said because gaming is so accessible here, problem gambling should have a higher priority.
Mathur said there are several reasons problem gambling isn’t addressed more in Nevada. One is that people are uncomfortable talking about losing money. Some, she said, don’t like to talk about things they don’t understand — and addictive behavior is an area filled with misconceptions. Others “don’t want to bite the hand that feeds” them and gaming is the dominant industry in the state.
Patricia Jessie, director of gambling services and a senior clinical associate at Chicago-based Bensinger Dupont & Associates, a provider of employee assistance programs, said many companies are in denial when it’s discovered some top executives are addictive gamblers. But she noted that it shouldn’t be too surprising — many entrepreneurs take big risks for big rewards.
She said an executive at a Midwestern company quit his job when he got into financial trouble. No one saw the red flags of problem gambling despite the executive borrowing money, and the root of the problem wasn’t discovered until a clinician asked a family member whether the man had a gambling problem.
Mathur said the public needs to know more about problem gambling before it can be addressed properly.
“What we need to do is move the needle on public awareness,” she said.
That, she said, can be done by finding high-level executives within a company who care about the issue and who can make it part of the corporate culture.
Nevada Federal Credit Union has embraced educating its employees about the dangers of problem gambling after some caring officers allowed Nevada Council on Problem Gambling posters and information to be distributed, panelists said.
Jessie said a good time to address the matter is when high-profile sporting events take place, such as the Super Bowl or March Madness. When a sport is in the spotlight, addictive gambling warning signs can be publicized and problem gambling’s effect on office productivity — employees using their computers to monitor sports or betting lines or even wagering online — can be noted.
How much government should be involved in raising awareness of problem gambling was discussed Nov. 15.
William Eadington, director of UNR’s Institute for the Study of Gambling and Commercial Gaming, said governments around the world have taken different approaches toward problem gambling.
Some Nevada regulators have questioned the appropriateness of allowing some technological innovations on casino floors because of fears of how they would affect compulsive gambling levels.
Regulators rejected a proposal to mount an automated teller machine on a slot machine because they feared it would be too easy for a compulsive gambler to drain a bank account. Regulators also have debated whether some games and technologies, such as mobile gaming, are more open to gambling abuse than others.
Some countries practice “soft paternalism,” Eadington said. In Singapore, when casinos open next year, residents will be required to pay $100 admission or $2,000 for an annual pass to discourage them from gambling. The fees at least might pay to offset some of the perceived social costs of problem gambling.
And, in South Korea, Eadington said, a casino was ordered to set up a problem gambling treatment clinic — in the parking lot of the casino.
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This issue is very important to me being a compulsive gambler myself. I know what is is like to lose a small fortune and just sort of shrug it off as " I'll get 'em next time" type of mentality. This addiction is just as strong as the drug addict's , and what people need to realize is that there is no one to blame but the gambler his or her self. To overcome this addiction is first and foremost to STOP gambling immediately. Allow some time to think about what you are doing, and to allow yourself to replenish you financial flow. The hardest part is to resist that temptation to return to the casino to try and recover your losses. Sometimes it works and you feel like you just beat the big boys, and you can't wait to go back for more STOP!!! this is the sickness taking over all over again. Get into an AA program, get sponsorship do whatever is necessary to keep you from filling the gas tank, and hitting the bank! The best advice I ever got was from a voice on the phone at the problem gambling hotline which said "just stop gambling immediately! money can always be earned again, but you can NOT gamble. I know this sounds easier than it really is, however you must do whatever it takes to resist this temptation.
Mathur the affirmative action guru of MGM Mirage who held back hundreds of more qualified white employees to promote people of color. If a person of color and a white person violated a work rule exceptions were made for the person of color while the white person was dealt with to the fullest extent of the discipline called for.
evironprotector Well put.
homer : Your comment here has absolutely NOTHING to do with the discussion subject matter of compulsive gambling.
rejco000, SHUT UP.
This is a HUGE, GIGANTIC, MONUMENTAL PROBLEM in Las Vegas. Many many families and individuals are caught in the quagmire that problem/compulsive gambling creates. Of course it's a problem. Gambling is AN ADDICTION that works on the brain in the same fashion as drugs do. It's as simple as that. And we live in a gambling town. I know the haters will say "it's just a weak person that can't stop," and that is ignorant.
Once again, the effects of gambling are not limited to the individual and/or their family;
Gambling addicts do a lot of the illegal things that harm the community in their never-ending quest to get a "fix" that drug addicts do. If companies were smart, they would get on top of this TODAY. It is simply not addressed in the workplace in Las Vegas. Ultimately, it would be good for the company, the community, and the individual.
Of course, as with any addiction, a person has got to admit they have a problem before they can be helped. But certainly it's worth all of our efforts.
All that said, I don't think the casinos are too hip to curtail their business; Another case of "Can't see the forest for the trees."
The NV Energy VP of HR is far too humble on her failings while in the gaming industry. She has long been respected for her her decision to leave the gaming industry.
REJCO...
It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with religion, cults, 12 steppers, or whatever the hell else you want to throw in there...it's about helping people, ok? You can't possibly be that ignorant, can ya?
Impaired gamblers are good for business for the provider's perspective, while it is the patron's right to lose as much as he/she can't afford.
The real problem from the patron's perspective is actually the inverse -- he/she is prohibited from habitually winning like the provider.
A one-way street rigged game.
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Impaired gamblers are good for business from the provider's perspective, while it is the patron's right to lose as much as he/she can't afford.
The real problem from the patron's perspective is actually the inverse -- he/she is prohibited from habitually winning like the provider.
A one-way street rigged game.
: )
80-20
20% of the gamblers are responsible for 80% of the revenues
When problem gamblers are a cash cow for the casinos, and casinos put amenities in their gambling halls that would just be in regular shopping malls in other cities, like McDonalds and movie theaters, this problem will not be addressed.
I suppose I could call myself a problem gambler - I tend to lose more than I can afford. I live in Phoenix, where we have Indian casinos that have very poor payback on slots. Every time I go to these places I end up losing more than I intended. When I make the 5-hour trip to LV, and I have done this four times in the last year, I have always, ALWAYS, each trip, come back home with the same or MORE money I went with. WHY? The casinos in LV KNOW there has to be some value for the gambler in order to keep their business. If I lose at Suncoast I will just go to Cannery and probably win back a good portion of what I lost.
I also have not gambled on the Strip since 2004. I know the locals' places are the ONLY option as they cater to 1) the local people they depend upon as they are part of their labor pool and 2) tourist who are DONE with being ripped off on the Strip.
People say that in the recession the casinos are tightening up the slots. That may be true, and on my last trip there were places where I won a lot and places that were just a waste of my time, but in Las Vegas I had a CHOICE. I took advantage of that choice and came out ahead. As I see it, as much as I support tribal gaming, if I can't win in their house, because they are the only players in town and can afford to take what they can and enjoy their monopoly (the tribes will still not allow for the horse/dog tracks to become "racinos"), I will just make the drive over the Hoover Dam and play slots in a town where I have the best chance to win. Since I can't afford to drive to Vegas each week, only a few times each year, it becomes a special vacation time for me that I save up money for instead of an impluse decision that leaves me broke, and that cuts down on my "problem gambling" losses right there.
If you- the customer/patron/gambler whatever you classify yourself as- have absolutely NO DISIPLINE or NO MONEY MANAGEMENT (which over 95 percent of you don't).... you have no business gambling if you think you will overcome your losses.
I only wager on NFL, NBA games on a regular basis, with very few college football wagers plus I wager on craps on occasion after charting open tables while HEDGING over half the time to keep potential losses to a minimum (which table bosses hate) until a streak has been ultimately established in order to letting all place bets and line bets ride and backing them up more only if you are well ahead.
You also need to be a full flegde accountant like a business while keeping track in every aspect of wagers you won or lost on and make any necessary adjustments accordingly in order to stay ahead or keep losses to a MINIMUM...if you don't, you are cheating yourself from denial.
Unless you are a top notch pro poker player or have top notch disipline and money management with over a $100,000 bankroll while risking no more than 1 percent max of your bankroll in one session of sports wagering, you wont make a living at gambling.
I only gamble for the fun of it and for the challenge to beat the odds in the long run - in which the overall money amount is very little to really not even bother gambling at all with all the work and tracking that is involved, and I am disiplined enough to leave a craps table session if I am down 15 percent or less from my initial buy in, or if I am minimumly ahead.. I WILL leave ahead - even if it's only a $2 win - thats how I always keep coming back to fight another day, by keeping your losses to a minimum and have the attitude that you will never win it back.
Never gamble undisiplined, or gamble while drinking any alcohol, or gamble while you are fatigued or gamble while depressed... I know this is a boring way to go gamble but this is the only way you have a chance to at least break even or beat their vig, which means you hardly will lose against the casino.
As they say, any casino will always let you take a shot at their money.. but YOU the customer doesn't have to let the casino take a shot at yours.
When I visit Vegas and I do see these people spending there food money I do fell sorry for them. I would think they would move to a state where there is no gambleing.People should remember Vegas was not built on Winners only Losers.
I tried to live in Las Vegas for a few months in 2004. Everyone was saying it was a fast-growing, high flying city, so I left Dallas to move to Las Vegas. I left Las Vegas, in part because I thought I was a problem gambler, but more because I had a hard time finding a professional, reasonably well-paying ***non-gaming*** office-based job that wasn't bellhop, construction worker, line cook or slot tech. Phoenix had at the time a few more opportunities in my field (graphic design).
Had I stayed in Las Vegas and earned the salary there that I do here in Phoenix, I actually don't think I would be a problem gambler. I would be very picky about where I would spend my gaming dollars, focus on places that give me a chance to leave with some of my money, maybe a bit more, and I would just not go to those casinos that have a track record of tight slots. And after a while, I would probably only go to these few casinos once, maybe twice a month as opposed to 2-3 times a week or even every weekend, and make a mini-vacation of it with the hotel stay and the rental car (I don't own a car and use the bus for daily commuting).
My feeling is, I am in a casino to win, even if I'm only $20 ahead of what I brought with me. If I'm winning, I'm more apt to use the other ancillary facilities such as the restaurants, bowling, movies - and add to the casino's revenue stream. If I'm losing, I will just go back home. Now that I am not living in Las Vegas - but a morning drive away - I enjoy Las Vegas more because 1) Las Vegas gives me more and better value and more and better options and choice, than the tribal casinos here in town and 2) I am learning how to be a smart slot player (and people say it's not really possible to play slots in a smart way).
It would be so incredibly easy to spot the problem gambler, if the incentive wasn't to make as much money as somebody wants to spend. All but the whales have a "Casino Card," if the use of such card was mandatory to establish age, or if an individual had been banned, listed in the Griffin Book, etc. ; you then can easily chart how much money a person is burning, per day, per hour, per visit. That's not in the casinos interest so it won't happen unless they're forced into it. What other legal industry profits by addiction? NONE. Make the casino responsible for losses a person cannot afford to lose, and the casinos would have NO trouble coming up with a list of problem gamblers they could exchange with other casinos, in the same way they keep cheaters and counters out. If they knowingly allow a person to continue to write checks to use the ATM, when that person is betting stupid, which is the most telling sign, then penalize the casino for $10,000 per incident you have solved the problem. A casino in 60 seconds can determine the credit rating of a gambler, if you add that info to the problem list to the amount of ATM withdrawals, checks cashed, then you know if an addict has crossed the line. And you can computerize the signs so a determination can be made between bets. For heaven sakes, some states have computerized the buying of Sudefed, so they know if someone has crossed the line to a meth lab suspect. It's a matter of will, do you want to reduce the amount of money problem addicted gamblers can lose? The casinos certainly DO NOT.
I moved from Las Vegas because I could not control my gambling addiction. The suicide rate of gamblers in Las Vegas is 4 times higher than nongambling cities.
I moved away from Nevada to a non gaming state. I still attend GA meetings but haven't gambled for a year.
I never knew I had it in me to gamble out of control. I did not start until my 40's. I was lucky -I did not break any laws-but here I was a 40 year old woman pawning my jewelry, juggling bills, chasing the win.
Believe it or not the last year I was in Nevada I won 50,000 in slot machine play. I gave it all back.
I am a casino's favorite type of gambler.
I am so thankful I had the opportunity to move away from Las Vegas.
I wish the very best to those who struggle with compulsive gambling.
It isn't like a drug you can stay away from by avoiding certain neighborhoods, it is on every street corner, in every 7-11, grocery store, even K-Mart, for god's sake-
It is in your face everywhere.
Each morning I wake up thankful I am still alive.
It could have been me.
All businesses need to pay attention and provide education and referral.
Casino's take your money. Period. It is the nature of their business. Don't expect them to babysit an addiction which makes them money.
Las Vegas, as a community could do a lot more to care for its citizens.
minmac said "My feeling is, I am in a Casino to win". This is the first and only lie, these Casinos are built on LOSERS! No one wins at the Casino, it is mathematically impossible. I love going to Las Vegas Casinos, I play small and slow, because I expect to lose and try to keep it as little as possible. I also have a tremendous amount of fun.
Unfortunately, just like any other addiction, the user must hit absolutely rock bottom before a problem is realized and maybe resolved. You can't force help on someone that doesn't acknowledge or in denial they even need help. And like Cnev wrote "Casino's take your money. Period. It is the nature of their business. Don't expect them to babysit an addiction which makes them money".
JLOKC said "No one wins at the Casino, it is mathematically impossible."
This is NOT QUITE true. You can win if you are lucky and don't play too long, however, as a function of time you are guaranteed to lose.
This means the longer you continue to gamble (time) eventually you will lose.
It can be easily proven mathematically using probability and statistics.
Those that win aren't the one's gambling, their opponents are -- that's why casinos' don't enjoy gambling -- neither do their creditors, their regulators, the politicians and all of a sudden a conspiracy is revealed explaining the bases for all "their" collective actions.
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let's give people the help they need