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GOP and Palinpaloozza
Former vice presidential nominee starts book tour amid divisions in ranks
Thursday, Nov. 19, 2009 | 2:04 a.m.
Sarah Palin is receiving wall-to-wall media coverage as she rolls out her new book, “Going Rogue” — and the Fox News crowd and right-wing radio talk show hosts are swooning over her. Rush Limbaugh, after reading an advance copy of her memoir, even went so far as to say it was “one of the most substantive policy books I’ve read.” Talk about a schoolboy crush.
The Limbaugh seal of approval isn’t persuasive enough for some conservatives, though. New York Times columnist David Brooks, in an appearance Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” news show, didn’t gush about the former Alaska governor who quit midway through her term this year. Brooks said Palin was a “joke.” So much for conservative harmony.
Brooks added: “I mean, I just can’t take her seriously. We have got serious problems in the country.” Then, alluding to rumors that Palin might get her own talk show gig, he got in this jab: “The idea that this potential talk show host is considered seriously for the Republican nomination, believe me, it will never happen. Republican primary voters are just not going to elect a talk-show host.”
Maybe Republicans won’t nominate a talk-show host as their nominee in 2012, but wasn’t it the lightweight Palin who Republicans nominated as their vice presidential nominee just a year ago, someone who could have been a heartbeat away from the presidency?
For that matter, someone should remind Brooks that talk show hosts such as Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck have taken over the Republican Party, as its leaders don’t dare cross the right-wing talkers. Indeed, sometimes we think we’re watching a ventriloquist act when it comes to right-wing talk show hosts and subservient GOP politicians.
The gulf between serious conservative thinkers, including Brooks, and those who are simply bloviating, such as Limbaugh, is huge. Their diametrically opposing views about Palin, a social conservative, illustrate the schism that is developing within the conservative movement and among Republicans.
The internal GOP divide was on display this month when a Democrat won a special election in a conservative congressional district in upstate New York, a seat that had historically been held by Republicans. Those on the far right, including Palin, refused to back the Republican in the race, saying the GOP nominee wasn’t conservative enough. They instead threw their support to the Conservative Party nominee. In turn, the Republican dropped out of the race the weekend before the election and endorsed the Democrat.
What has been happening to the Republican Party over the past several election cycles is that it has been losing races in the Northeast and other regions that had once been considered safe. Many moderate Republicans don’t believe they have a home anymore in the Republican Party, whose strength now comes from social conservatives and principally one region — the Deep South. And Republicans, because of the anti-immigrant wing in their party, have even suffered some setbacks in the Southwest, which was supposed to be a stronghold for them.
The far right’s strategy went so well in New York — if you think snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is an accomplishment — that it is being tried again in Florida against Gov. Charlie Crist, who is seeking the Republican nomination for a U.S. Senate seat.
At first glance, Crist wouldn’t seem to be a likely candidate for the right wing’s ire. As a New York Times story noted recently, he is anti-abortion, against same-sex marriage and is a supporter of gun rights and the death penalty.
Crist’s offense? Being receptive to Florida’s share of the stimulus package passed this year and — horror of horrors! — he and President Barack Obama embraced each other at a town-hall meeting. It is obvious that civility, moderation and bipartisanship have no place in politics for the right wing of the GOP.
Traditionally, the party out of power gains seats in midterm elections, so Democratic losses are likely in 2010. But, as a long-term strategy, the rightward tilt of the Republican Party is out of step with most of the country.
For instance, its belief in unfettered free markets, without any meaningful government oversight, is what threw this country into its worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. The right wing’s bellicose, hawkish foreign policy also resulted in a disastrous war in Iraq, with hundreds of billions of dollars spent and thousands of American lives lost.
Polls show that Palin is viewed negatively by Democrats and independents, but she still has decent support among Republicans. If Palin is the future of the Republican Party, then the GOP is in jeopardy of being in the political wilderness — and out of power — for quite some time.
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New York Times columnist David Brooks, in an appearance Sunday on ABC's "This Week""The idea that this potential talk show host is considered seriously ..."
The fact that the LV Sun could print an editorial of this lenght shows the fear the left has of Palin's social conservative values.
Palin is just a good messenger of social values that the left fears.
I have no idea what else The LV Sun is trying to do with all that stuff about Crisp and Republican Party losing races in the Northeast.
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Just wishful thinking on behalf of the leftwingers at the LVSun. I am not a Palin fan and think McCain made the wrong choice, but it is amazing to watch the Democrats just become unhinged at the mere mention of Sarah Palin. To bad they can't get this worked up over Islamic terrorism.
This rag of a paper has become a bastion of left-wing ideology. Editorials such as these are to be expected I suppose. But when every article about Harry Reid does not allow comments - that is censorship. Not exactly a practice an honest newspaper should be engaged in.
And now write an article or editorial if that's what this is, about how the Democratic Party is divided i.e., Liberman saying no public option, moderate Democrats saying no pay for abortions, etc etc. How about the news media not even checking out Obaminations book and then setting up a fact finding group on Palin's book????? I do understand that an Editorial is an opinion and like some parts of the human body we all have one. The part that I am thinking of aptly describes this Editorial.
go sarah go...
as a proud liberal democrat...
i love sarah dumb as a bag of rocks palin...
she is the best thing that has happened to the democrat party in a long long time...
go sarah go!!!
If you want to really know what "dumb" is listen to Al Gore explain geothermal energy.
You poke fun at Palin but the fool who is vice president can't even say good morning without getting his foot in his mouth. Bumbles Biden is a heartbeat away from the presidency? That's real scary.
What republican party? The "Things" may be using the label but they sure as hades are not republicans. Freaks?-Yes, Crazies?-Yes, Criminals?-Yes, Stupid?-Yes, Neo-Nazi's?-Yes, KKK?-Yes, John Birchers?-Yes, Scientologists?-Yes, Aryan Nations?-Yes, Liars?-Yes, Sexual Perverts?-Yes. The "Things" have done a 180 from Reality and have accepted everything negative. Running away from OBJECTIVITY will not benefit yourself or the USA.
The Sun does not allow comments on "news stories" (they are not news stories) about Reid.
The new Sun motto: "We are Reid's cheerleader.....rah, rah, rah...go Reid!!!!!"
Senator Harry Reid has done a lot for Nevada, such as helping the casinos from going under, thereby saving over 20,000 jobs. He was instrumental in getting started a new rail line to California, which will mean thousands of jobs for construction workers. Cut your own economic throat if you wish, bur do not cut the economic throat of your fellow Nevadans. Suggestion-Get out of Nevada if you are not willing to support economic progress which is sorely needed.
Nevada will not miss Harry Greid after 2010. He has done nothing for Nevada or America. We do not need any more socialism breaking the back of the country. I moved here only because it is a low tax, low service state. Let's keep it that way. If you want to live in a cesspool, California is next door.
By the way, GhostCommander, that stupid train will only fun about forty miles into Nevada and about 400 miles in California. Nevada will receive very few jobs with the bulk going to California.
Fellow Idiots - We love Sarah. Those wonderful checks she sent all the Alaskans backed by money the oil drillers made was so fine. The Robin Hood Legacy. Also as a former sports announcer as was The Great Communicatior, who gave us ketchup and pikcle relish as vegetables for the school lunch programs, she would only further embellish all this. America, today, loves sports and eats tons of ketchup and relish, growing fatter by the hour and never, never missing a Detriot Lions third and twenty attempt, no matter what. Where did you say Canada was? Obsessed with sports, sociopatically, we could use another one of these in our White House.
How she can do it. Talk less, stop carrying a baby around, learn where Mexico and Canada are, learn how to compound savings, study Europe and foriegn relations, fire her shotgun often, offer to read a real newspaper on FIXTOON TV, butcher a moose on HannityIdiotWaterboarderCoward's show and finally - stop winking at us attractive folk out in the hinterland. God certainly will save us from another CriminalBush. Sarah can't send us to a war 8000 miles away if she has no idea where the country is, right? Thank you.
From travel math.com--The road distance from Anaheim,CA to Las Vegas,NV is 273 miles not 440 miles. The road distance from Primm, NV to Las Vegas, NV is 39 miles.
Once again the LAS VEGAS SUN can't help itself and starts trash talking the REPUBLICAN PARTY AND FOX NEWS what is amazing is that they stayed fare and balance right up until there second sentence. O" YEA talk about going deep im impressed you used to do that in your first sentence your getting better. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND TRY NOT TO RUN YOUR EMPTY HEAD INTO THE LEFT FIELD FOUL POLE CHASING YOUR SOCIALIST AGENDA.
PALIN / WURZELBACHER
VOTE DUMB & PLUMBER
2012
Sara will capture the coveted beauty pageant demographic and Joe will carry the wanna-be plumber vote.
"Rush Limbaugh, after reading an advance copy of her memoir, even went so far as to say it was "one of the most substantive policy books I've read."
Apparently, Rush reads about as much as Sarah Palin.
I think there is so much animosity toward Mrs. Palin because she doesn't toe the line very well. I find her candor refreshing.
ecm: How do you finder her dishonesty? Invigorating?
The liberals must have been faced with common sense and logic again - they're talking trash.
Would one - just one - liberal please state a position Sarah Palin has taken and argue the other side. Try to do it without using the words "bag of rocks", "beauty pageant", etc.
Can someone tell me why they disagree with Sean Hannity, try not using the words "Sean Insanity" - what has he said that you don't agree with?
Argue Rush Limbaugh's position with me - try not using the words "fat" and "druggie".
"Republican primary voters are just not going to elect a talk-show host." Why not? The Dems gave us a community organizer from Chicago with his roots in Acorn. You think that's better?
Nevada and the liberals must be severely short on intellect. Name calling is their strong suit. Once again I am calling for an IQ test before voter registration.
Just the mention of Sarah Palin's name, drives the guys on the far left completely berserk.
Immediately, these compassionate guys on the left resort to name calling and sexist statements.
These left footed guys who put down Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin must consider themselves elitists.
These left wingers must feel that they are better people because of their left leaning political convictions.
I think that the "Bird" has the right word on this issue. If you lefties think that Sarah Palin is so incapable and unelectable, then keep you mouths shut and let her get the nomination.
Lame duck or not, she quit the most important job in Alaska. Quitting when things are tough speaks volumes of a person's character.
Claims in her book that Alaskans are an independent bunch that do not rely on government handouts. Apparently, Mrs. Palin forgot that Alaskans received $1.84 from the feds for every $1.00 of taxes sent to D.C. The highest return for any state in the union.
From an independent voter, she reeks of narcissism and hypocrisy.
Sarah Palin instills fear in all Democrats. I think because they all know that with the proper handling and training (Obama?) she can be made to "look" like a viable candidate. This lady brings forth emotion and most of it is good. The Dems all say she is stupid, which is knee jerk.
All Palin has to do is convince the same dummies that voted for Obama that "He ain't the guy"
Hey OpenRange... How about opening up your mind a little. Who are you to say that Sarah Palin did not have good reasons to step down from being Governor of Alaska? Palin could have stayed in office with the onslaught of bogus political claims. But they were costing the state of Alaska and her a fortune in legal expenses.
Too bad some of our other politicians did not resign their positions before costing their constituents a fortune in legal fees. What was that Illinois Governor's name who took the state down the drain while trying to defend himself?
These people who say Palin inspires fear among the left and who wail every time someone criticizes her are the same ones who turn purple in the face whenever Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi are mentioned.
They are hypocrites.
Don't think so there edgewise...
Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are non issues for me.
Not really worth getting all worked up about.
But Obama's attempts to move this country way to the left toward socialism does make me sit up and take notice...
LarryVegas: "Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi illuminate what is wrong with both political parties."
Hypocrite.
Obama, Biden, Reid, Pelosi, Holder, and Barney Frankfuter bring new meaning to the old expression about the inmates running the asylum. Did any of you Leftist political scholars notice how dismissive the Chinese were toward the false Messiah? The big "W" on his forehead stands for "Weak."
Dear fellow bloggers: Please do not respond to the "Brownshirt" right wingnuts post. That is what they want you to do. Just refute what they state with the cold hard facts. Yes, Yes, I know they have their small minds made up and do not want to be confused with the facts.
I will keep an eye out for the "Brownshirt" right wingnuts posts. Can you tell me what they look like?
the birkenstock ladies are just mad that sarah is so much hotter than them.
Hey edgewise... When did I write that? Please tell...
I admire Sara Palin for her "take the money and run" attitude. She and her husband were smart enough to realize that her political career was over after her poor performance, and I do mean performance, during the presidential campaign. They realized that continuing to serve as governor would only restrict her from maximizing her income from appearances and book sales as her popularity declined. There is enough money to be made from the gullible masses to set up the Palin's for life. She's not really controversial, but she's salable, and her handlers will milk every dime out of the populace who think they're supporting a future candidate for president.
The quitter label, along with the abuse of power charges, misuse of campaign funds, and disagreements with the McCain campaign will remain in the closet for now, but they will follow her for life awaiting to be used by a political opponent to eliminate her from any campaign. She knows this and decided to "take the money and run".
My only question is why is her new book only $4.97? That can't include the crayons?
LarryVegas: Wrote an entire 7-paragraph essay filled with lie after lie about Harry Reid.
Probably wrote until his face was purple.
Hypocrite.
Where is Sarah Palins only $4.97? I had to pay $9.00 on Amazon.com before it was released. Now Amazon is selling it for $14.50...
I am only on chapter 4, but so far, it appears to be a good read. It's kinda nice and unusual to read a book about someone who was born without a silver spoon sticking out of their mouth or something who was given everything their entire life including a free trip to Harvard or other elitist university...
edgewise... I think you have the wrong Larry. Please give me the date of the post and I will do my own research..
I think I know you well enough to know that slander is not your game, so I am waiting...
Willie Tanner--Good post! These right wingnuts that write or have someone ghostwrite for them laugh all the way to the bank without thanking the ignorant and the naive for buying their garbage. Yes, the wingnut writers know the book is garbage but they do not have any conscience. They will continue to take advantage of those who buy their books.
Yahoo!
Take the money and run...
Sarah Who?
Flash in the pan.
Quitter. Runner. mouth. nice mouth, but...air and hair and smiles won't get us there. Ask John.
Sharon Osborne was right when she described Palin as "an ignorant cow."
You don't even remember what you write, LarryVegas? Your hatred of Reid and Pelosi is all over the Sun's site.
Hypocrite.
And then there are those who thought Obama was a man of substance capable of making decisions...
Come on edgewise, don't prove me wrong that you are not one to slander an old friend.
Where is that "...entire 7-paragraph essay filled with lie after lie about Harry Reid." that you say I wrote?
The world is waiting...
Oprah achieved her highest ratings in three years thanks to Sarah. How do you Leftist fools like them apples?
Well, I waited over 20 minutes for a reply from edgewise. I guess he must be busy or surely he would have replied to me by now.
Could I have been wrong about edgewise? Does he really resort to slander in an effort to defame someone who has a different political views then his own?
I don't understand why edgewise can not give me the date of my alleged post where he states that I demeaned Senator Reid. In his 11:24 a.m. post, he supposedly "quoted me" but now can't or won't find the quote.
edgewise keeps calling me a hypocrite and a liar, but I still have hope that edgewise will come forward with his quote of me and prove me wrong...
I am going to take a short lunch. So if edgewise shows up, tell him I will be back in just a few minutes.
Today on the local hate talk station, LimpBaugh took a call from a women in the SF Bay Area who said: "people in Oakland CA buy a lot of cheese crackers from vending machines, even though they are expensive, because they get paid regardless, since they are on welfare." (her brother stocks the machines)
And this is from the local station that calls the other talk station in town: "racist radio?"
Takes one to call one Jack.
"I think we are under tyranny....I think I'll go buy a foosball table" .... makes a lot of sense. Go Jack!
Thanks Sun, but if they want Palin, let them have her...they might need Dan Quayle running as VP to provide "gravitas."
Well, I am back and don't see that edgewise has left any messages for me. So, I will assume that this issue is over and done with. I will go along with my business on other matters...
Can somebody out there inform me what mred is writing about... I am so confused, I think I will find a bud light and read a chapter or two out of Palin's new book...
mikegino: Good for Oprah! People ogle at car crashes too. I hope Sara got paid too. The sooner she squeezes every dime out of the intellectually challenged, the sooner she goes away, until she is summoned out of her new palace to help lose some elections for more ultra-conservative extremist republicans. Too bad she have any value by 2012 to help Obama get re-elected.
A correction: Too bad she WON'T have any value by 2012 to help Obama get re-elected.
I must apologize to the right wing "Brownshirts" because they are mentally challenged and it shows dimly for all to see.
Hey commander, I have been doing just as you asked and have kept an eye out for some "Brownshirts," but as of yet I have not seen any. I will stay on duty until relieved...
Larry, are you too lazy to look through your own archives?
You say you don't care about Reid and Pelosi, which is a complete lie.
You make all these claims about Reid's lineage, which are all lies.
I can understand why no one takes you seriously.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct...
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/nov...
It must be so confusing being such a hypocrite.
Ghost,
Just 5 days ago you were claiming that your side needed to post more evidence because all the otherside could do was "name call" yet, ironically, that is all I ever see you do.
PS, Ghost, You also haven't exactly squared your own political philosophy as distinctly anti-fascist - given the fact that you and Nazis had the same economic preferences. I'm not saying you are a Nazi, but if this was Germany in 1932 you would be more predisposed to buy into their ideology than most people on the right -- especially libertarians.
Finally, you don't respond to the right or libertarians not because ignoring them is a good idea, but because you have nothing enlightening to say, and no means to defend your own ideas.
The libertarian Reason Magazine also trashed Palin's book: http://reason.com/archives/2009/11/19/pa...
"The 19th century American writer Henry Adams said the descent of American presidents from George Washington to Ulysses S. Grant was enough to discredit the theory of evolution. The same could be said of the pantheon of conservative political heroes, which in the last half-century has gone from Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan to Sarah Palin. That refutation may be agreeable to Palin, who doesn't put much stock in Darwin anyway. "
They point out that conservatives made fun of Obama (as much as liberals make fun of Palin) although this author believed Obama's book was deeper, although very tedious.
I do like the author's conclusion, however,
Leaders who can think? That's so 20th century.
Mr. Greenspun, this is an unintelligent and false statement,
"For instance, its belief in unfettered free markets, without any meaningful government oversight, is what threw this country into its worst economic crisis since the Great Depression."
With more than 90,000 pages of federal regulations, tariffs and more than 10,000 goods, import restrictions, subsidies, and dozens of government regulatory agencies you cannot say we have an unregulated unfettered free market economy. NONSENSE.
You either don't know what you're talking about, have been grossly misinformed, or you're lying. Which is it?
WillieTanner: ".... I hope Sara got paid too. The sooner she squeezes every dime out of the intellectually challenged,...."
How many millions did Obama make on those inept childrens books "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance" and "The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream"
Maybe this is why the left hates Palin so much:
According to Steve Chapman from Reason Magazine,
"Who needs policy? In her world--and the world of legions of conservatives who revere her--the persona is the policy. Palin is beloved because she's (supposedly) just like ordinary people, which (supposedly) gives her a profound understanding of their needs.
That attitude used to be associated with the left, which claimed to speak for the ordinary folks who get shafted by the system. Logic and evidence about policy, to many liberals, were less important than empathy and good intentions. Now it's conservatives who think we should be guided by our guts, not our brains."
mred, I usually don't listen to Rush but I was with my dad who does and Rush didn't buy the Race card so what is your point?
He actually told the caller that just because you live in Oakland doesn't mean you are black. The fact that they receive government assistance was the point of the call. BTW he also mentioned 50% of Americans receive assistance in one form or another.
Just trying to help out. I do like the fact that you listen to Rush, probably for the same reason I watch Bill Maher...... Keep your friends close , but your enemies closer.
edgewise...
Why should I look through my prior posts? You are the one brought this up. And if you would have given me the source where you got my "quote" this would have been finished a long time ago.
Trying to stay on post, I will post the story (joke) about Harry's lineage on a post about Harry sometime. It was a good one wasn't it?
Dreams was ghosted by William Ayers. Compare Dreams with some of Ayers publications on the internet. But of course there isn't a story here.
Did you hear one where Army officials plan to prevent CNN, MSNBC, and all other media from covering Sarah Palin's appearance on Monday, saying they fear the event will turn into political grandstanding against President Obama.
Obama should not be afraid of Palin's books out selling him.
"Dreams was ghosted by William Ayers. Compare Dreams with some of Ayers publications on the internet. But of course there isn't a story here."
That's always been one of my favorite wacky conspiracy theories. You guys hate Obama so much you really will believe anything.
Meanwhile, Larry spews even more bile and hatred on Harry Reid.
"We are lucky to have Harry on top of the heap. Trash heap that is..."
Take a deep breath, Larry, you're gonna pass out.
I also have an observation for Mr. Greenspun;
Both of the bills below were introduced by Chris Dodd on October 29,2009.
S.2214
A bill to suspend temporarily the duty on certain programmable dual function coffee makers.
Introduced Oct 29, 2009
S.2215
A bill to suspend temporarily the duty on certain electric coffee makers with built in bean storage hoppers.
I'm not sure why he did this, but I wouldn't call this an unfettered free market.
The Leftys seem to be increasingly "edgy."
Tell me more about your fascinating conspiracy theory, mikegino. Was Lee Harvey Oswald there? Did he ghostwrite Obama's memoir in Area 51? What's the connection to the Bilerberg Group and the Freemasons? Is it true there's a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow?
Maybe Ayers wrote it, maybe he didn't. It doesn't matter, Ayers was still a nut.
From a 2001 article by Reason Magazine:
"Billy Ayres, the former Weather Underground bigwig, published his memoir, Fugitive Days, late this summer. The charming peccadilloes of '60s radical leftists remain an easy sell to baby boomer editors and audiences, who long for the halcyon days when bombs going off in public were the sound of their side winning, of bringing the Vietnam War "home," where it belonged. As a result, Ayres scored a long New York Times profile on September 11 whose first line was: "'I don't regret setting bombs,' Bill Ayres said. 'I feel we didn't do enough.'"
In the profile, Ayres said he didn't recall ever actually saying something popularly attributed to him about the goals of the Weather Underground: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at." (Perhaps it's merely the embarrassingly dated "where it's really at" lingo that Ayres, now an education professor at the University of Illinois, wants to disavow.)"
http://reason.com/archives/2001/11/15/ra...
Read "The 12 Year Reich" by Richard Grunberger and compare that to the information on-www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.html and you will find out what the Nazis were really about and the very close comparison to the cheney/puppet bush mis-administration that never accomplished anything positive. All of their accomplishments were negative.
There's definitely a pot of crap for America at the end of Obama's rainbow.
Ghost, from the Nazi Party Platform - commit this to memory and eat crow
10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good.
We therefore demand:
11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Breaking the Servitude of Interest
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard of religion or race.
19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.
20. In order to make higher education--and thereby entry into leading positions--available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latter's position or occupation.
21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievement of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people.
The right wing "Brownshirts must use all the garbage books written by Palin, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Coulter, Ayn Rand and other ideologues as reference material. By their posts it is easy to tell they have not read many history books, economic books, religious books, American History,and they do not do research on the web for factual information. They just wing it, wing it, wing it. Right wingers, who are the following people Speer, John S. Mills, Leo Strauss, Joseph Cropsey, Shirer, Theodor Adorno,J.J. Rousseau, and Robespierre?
ghost: It doesn't surprise me that you've devolved to wings. How do you like yours seasoned?
Right wing Bloggers can go to the library and check out a copy of "The 12 Year Reich" by Richard Grunberger and see for themselves what the Nazis did to the German people, it' government, religious institutions, etc.... After reading they will know what the Nazis were really all about--totalitarianism, corruption, and incompetence.
It is now 4:40 pm and the right wingnuts do not know who the people were that I mentioned earlier. I will make it real easy for them. What does the following word mean--Peter Pan?
If the "Brownshirt" right wingnuts want to read the material of a real conservative then Go To: www.theatlantic.com and read Andrew Sullivan's articles.
ghost: I have brown shirts...you have brown shorts.
Books: did you mean brown-stained shorts?
aye aye to the stains
Limpbaugh told a Black caller to: "take the bone out of your nose." Limpbaugh and Palin are bigots, Palin 2012 great...with the demographics of this country they are losers
Interesting to see that mred called Sarah Palin a bigot. So much love and compassion from these guys out in left field.
President Obama's approval rating has hit a new low of 46 percent... I am sure it will go up after Thanksgiving if and when he can make a decision on Afghanistan...
Here's the real dope on the dopey Palin book from Bob Schieffer of CBS News;
"I think she's going to sell a lot of books. I think she'll be a great attraction as an amusement. She's interesting, she's a celebrity. But I can't imagine that she has much future in politics, I really don't."
"My guess is she's not ever going to run for anything and I think if she did, I don't think she would get very far." http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/16/...
I couldn't have said it better.
The Mayan calender predicts Sarah Palin/Glenn Beck 2012.
Hey gmag...
You just had to use the word "dopey" in describing Sarah Palin's new book. Come on now. Quoting Bob Schieffer as if he is anyone other than a biased reporter.
Other then that, you are doing pretty good there gmager...
Gregory: Is that old fool Bob Schieffer the best you can do? Come on, show us what you and Birdie have!
Don't mind the hypocrite, gmag.
LarryVegas: "Nobody knows trash better than our Harry..."
Thank you, Edge. Yes, Larry LOVES LOVES LOVES to talk out of both sides of his mouth. He is
ambomouthtrious.
Gallup Poll: Obama below 50% approval! He'll bottom out at about 38%. One term.
How many months has it been since I first sent Ghost the Nazi party platform and asked him how much of it he disagreed with? Well, months. Not a single response. For some reason, he's stuck in demagogue land and can't address the relevant facts.
"For some reason, he's stuck in demagogue land and can't address the relevant facts."
Says the guy discussing Nazis on a Palin article.
Yeah, ghost brought them up by calling his political opponents Nazis and brown shirts. Did you not follow the "conversation?"
If you wish to compare as to who are the extreme "Brownshirt" right wingnuts, just go go: www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.html. If you want to know how the Nazis conned, intimidated, beast up, and murdered the German people then read "The 12 Year Reich" by Richard Grunberger. The comparison of the book and the above website are almost identical. A tactic of the Fascists in America is to accuse the Democrats or an individual first rather than admit their own Fascism-totalitarianism, corruption, and incompetence.
I know the tactics of the Nazis, I know what they did. I think you are a hypocrite for your final statement. All you do is call names.
Did you know this is the fascist economic policy? They beat people, killed people, censored people to achieve it:
10. It must be the first duty of every Citizen to carry out intellectual or physical work. Individual activity must not be harmful to the public interest and must be pursued within the framework of the community and for the general good.
We therefore demand:
11. The abolition of all income obtained without labor or effort.
Breaking the Servitude of Interest
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the Nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the Nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard of religion or race.
19. We demand the replacement of Roman Law, which serves a materialistic World Order, by German Law.
20. In order to make higher education--and thereby entry into leading positions--available to every able and industrious German, the State must provide a thorough restructuring of our entire public educational system. The courses of study at all educational institutions are to be adjusted to meet the requirements of practical life. Understanding of the concept of the State must be achieved through the schools (teaching of civics) at the earliest age at which it can be grasped. We demand the education at the public expense of specially gifted children of poor parents, without regard to the latter's position or occupation.
21. The State must raise the level of national health by means of mother-and-child care, the banning of juvenile labor, achievement of physical fitness through legislation for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and maximum support for all organizations providing physical training for young people
I've emailed the people at that website and provided them with the Nazi Party platform too. We'll see if they make a correction to their website - I doubt it. They don't appear to be anything but demagogues and left-wing Ann Coulters.
ps, individualism was NOT a fascist idea. Fascism was about the state and everyone working to benefit the state. They did not hide their fascist ideas, they didn't have too, it was popular back in the 20s and 30s. Serving the state, above your own individual interest, was, and still is, a decidedly leftist idea.
Sarah Palin/Alaska/Secessionists/Separatists. Many of the secessionist/separatists movements are associated with the right wing extremists such as the KKK. Neo-Nazis, Aryan Nations, W.A.R., the skinheads and other smaller groups. Todd Palin was a member of a secessionist group in Alaska. The main propaganda point of Hitler's Nazi Propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, was to tell the "Big Lie" and keep repeating it over and over and people will believe you. Sarah Palin told a ton of lies and if you want to see what a real conservative, Andrew Sullivan, stated about Sarah Palin then just type in "Sarah Palin's Lie's/Atlantic" and click search. The "Big Lie" is very relevant to the GOP and Sarah Palin plus many others.
Are you a broken record player or a human being? Human beings at least have some semblance of intelligence.
Don't forget about the Black Panthers, Weather Underground, Black Liberation Army, May 19th Communists, Republic of New Africa, Revolutionary Action Movement, Liberation of Puerto Rican Nationals, United Freedom Front, Machetros, and the uni bomber.
Left-wing extremists have been responsible for 3/4ths of all domestic terrorist acts in the US
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...
ghostcmdr was a Moonie in a prior life.
If you desire to know how the Fascist Party of America (previously known as republicans) model their propaganda from, then go to: http://enwikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi/propaga..., or just type in "Nazi Big Lie Propaganda" and click on wikipedia
President Obama's political arm, Organizing for America, has sent a fundraising e-mail seeking to raise $500,000 in the next week to stop a "dangerous" Palin from derailing the Democrats' effort to overhaul health care.
Ghost, you've got a one track mind. You won't get anywhere making nonsensical points like this while you ignore the devastating counter attacks against your position.
Read and Learn!
Yeah, that is what I've said you need to do.
If you are a real intelligent "Brownshirt" right winger then you should go to: www.healthyplace.com and participate.
If you are not a real intelligent "Brownshirt" right winger where should you go???
I don't know bout the rest of you but SARAH PALIN IS HOT, HOT, HOT!!!. You betcha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would trust the intelligent bandit, as he has a history of being right...
The goatcommander posted that Sarah Palin told a "ton" of lies. Really now there commander? did you weight them? or did you list them so the rest of us could have them vetted?
Appears to me that the commander knows quite a bit about spreading propaganda and maybe a few other things.
By the way there commander, I do not own a brown shirt, but I do have a Harley Davidson shirt with a red collar, does that make me "red neck right winger?"